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00:44 Now here's your host, from Amazing Facts International,
00:48 Pastor Doug Batchelor.
00:50 Doug Batchelor: Hello, friends.
00:51 Would you like to hear an amazing fact?
00:54 The holy grail of global energy is the heat beneath our feet,
00:59 geothermal energy.
01:01 All over the planet, between 5 and 20 miles below our feet,
01:05 there is molten rock, well over 1,000 degrees.
01:09 That heat can produce enough steam-generated electricity
01:12 to power the planet.
01:14 The problem has been the drilling technology
01:17 to get down there.
01:18 The deepest hole ever bored into the earth was
01:21 the Kola Superdeep Borehole in Russia.
01:24 In 1992, it reached over 40,000 feet--that's 7 1/2 miles--before
01:30 it had to stop because the heat was melting the drill bits.
01:33 Now there's a company with new technology that does not rely on
01:37 traditional drilling methods.
01:39 Quaise Energy, working with MIT, has developed new drill bits
01:44 with a millimeter wave energy that are designed to melt and
01:47 vaporize rock to create deeper holes to reach and harness the
01:51 heat in the earth's core.
01:54 Quaise Energy says there's enough energy in the earth's
01:57 magma to power every city on earth for thousands of years.
02:02 Clearly, Pastor Ross, it's a question of going deeper.
02:05 Jean Ross: That's right.
02:06 The deeper you go, the more energy you get.
02:08 Doug: Get power.
02:09 Jean: I think there's a spiritual application there,
02:11 Pastor Doug.
02:12 If we want to have the power of the Holy Spirit, we need to seek
02:14 for a deeper experience in the things of God, a deeper
02:17 understanding of His Word, a deeper commitment
02:20 of our lives to Him.
02:22 There is power in the Spirit.
02:23 Doug: That's right.
02:25 Makes me think of the passage where Jesus says, in Luke
02:27 chapter 6, verse 48, "A wise man is like a man building a house,
02:32 who dug deep, and he laid the foundation on the rock.
02:36 And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against
02:39 that house, and it could not shake it,
02:41 for it was founded on the rock."
02:43 And, of course, Jesus said to the woman at the well that He
02:47 was offering her this artesian water, and she said,
02:50 "But the well is deep."
02:52 And, well, of course, that Jacob's well was deep, but you
02:56 also have to go deep if you want the living water, and going
02:59 deeper into our relationship with the Lord in our prayers, in
03:03 our study, you get more by going deeper, and we try to go a
03:08 little deeper sometimes on this program, but if you'd like to
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04:00 And, Pastor Doug, we want to greet
04:02 all of those who are joining us.
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04:23 Doug: Amen, and so, yeah, we're also streaming on,
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04:39 We're on TV, we're on radio, and we're going to go before the
04:43 Lord and then go on to the phones.
04:45 Jean: Let's start with a word of prayer.
04:46 Dear Father, we thank You, once again, that we have this
04:48 opportunity to open up Your Word and study.
04:51 Lord, we know there's power in the Word.
04:53 Jesus said, "You shall know the truth, and the truth will set
04:56 you free," so we pray, Lord, that our minds will be clear to
04:59 receive the Word of truth.
05:01 So bless those who are listening and those who call in.
05:03 And we pray for guidance, Lord, as we search here, in the
05:06 studio, the Scriptures.
05:07 We ask this in Jesus's name, amen.
05:09 Doug: Amen.
05:10 Jean: Well, we're ready to go to
05:12 our first caller this evening.
05:13 We've got a caller from London, England.
05:15 Dawn, welcome to the program.
05:16 You are on the air.
05:19 Dawn: Good morning, Pastor Doug and Pastor Jean Ross.
05:22 My question is God commands us to worship
05:26 on the seventh day, Sabbath.
05:28 Of all the calendar and timeline changes over the years, how do
05:32 we know with great certainty that the Saturday that we
05:37 observe today is still the Sabbath?
05:40 Doug: You know, when I get that question, I would--I always
05:43 am tempted to say to those that worship on the first day of the
05:47 week, "How do you know that's the day that it is?"
05:50 People usually have no trouble remembering what the days of the
05:54 week are until they learn the Sabbath truth and say,
05:56 "Well, we really don't know."
05:58 But, first of all, you can just look at--there's a whole nation
06:01 of Jews all over the world, and they have been keeping the
06:05 seventh day Sabbath in continuity from long
06:10 before the Christian era.
06:11 Somebody wrote a letter, Pastor Ross, to the U.S.
06:14 Naval Observatory, where they're, you know, they're very
06:16 particular about keeping time down to the millionth of a
06:20 second, and I'm not exaggerating.
06:22 They really do keep it to a millionth of a second.
06:25 And they said, "Has there been any change, any change in the
06:29 calendar that has affected the days of the week?"
06:34 And they said there have been, you know, several changes in the
06:36 calendar, but that never affects the days of the week.
06:39 You know, we had the Julian calendar, named for Julius
06:42 Caesar, and then we went to the Gregorian calendar, named after
06:45 Pope Gregory, and it was a change they needed to make to
06:47 adjust the seasons where because, you know, we've got 365
06:52 one-quarter days to the year, and they needed
06:55 to make that adjustment.
06:56 So they made the appropriate adjustment, and what happened
06:59 was--I think it was 1582, Thursday, 1582, October 5 was
07:06 followed by Friday, October 15.
07:08 They added ten days, but Friday followed Thursday
07:12 as it always does.
07:14 So the days of the week have not been affected by any calendar
07:16 change, and so, yeah, the U.S.
07:20 Naval Observatory said there has been no change in the calendar,
07:22 to their knowledge, that has ever affected
07:24 the continuity of the weekly cycle.
07:27 Jean: You know, Pastor Doug, you already addressed the Jewish
07:29 nation as a whole.
07:30 If you think back 2,000 years ago, Jesus was on the earth.
07:33 He knew which day was the Sabbath.
07:35 He kept the Sabbath the same day that the Jews kept as the
07:38 Sabbath, and then for 2,000 years for an entire nation to
07:42 get mixed up within the period of seven days as to which day of
07:46 the week they're on is impossible.
07:48 Doug: Yeah, it's their holy day.
07:50 And then, furthermore, in the Bible, it tells us very
07:52 specifically Jesus died on what we would call the preparation
07:55 day or Friday, the sixth day of the week.
07:57 That's why many call it Good Friday.
08:00 And then He rested in the tomb on the Sabbath.
08:03 He even kept the Sabbath in His death.
08:05 And then He rose the first day of the week, which people all
08:09 agree is Sunday morning.
08:11 So the Bible is clear.
08:13 Calendar is clear. History is clear.
08:15 You get the, you know, the Jewish nation.
08:17 There's really no question about that.
08:18 Jean: You know, we have a study guide.
08:20 It's called "The Lost Day of History."
08:21 That talks about the Sabbath.
08:23 Is it binding on Christians today?
08:24 What is its significance?
08:25 We'll be happy to send it to anyone who calls and asks.
08:27 Again, the study guide is called "The Lost Day of History," and
08:30 the phone number to call is 800-835-6747, or dial "#250"
08:36 on your phone.
08:37 Ask for the study guide.
08:39 It's called "The Lost Day of History."
08:40 Doug: Thank you, Dawn. Good question.
08:42 Jean: We've got Gary listening in Illinois.
08:43 Gary, welcome to the program.
08:45 Gary: Thank you.
08:46 I was hoping you can help me understand
08:48 a biblical contradiction.
08:50 In Ephesians 2:8-9, it says, "We're saved by grace through
08:54 faith, and not of ourselves.
08:56 It is a gift from God, and not of works."
08:59 But now I found a--and everybody seems to quote that one, but in
09:03 Philippians 2:12, it says, "Work out your salvation
09:06 with fear and trembling."
09:08 And so that contradicts it, and same with Revelation 22, "I come
09:12 quickly, and My reward is with Me for what you have done."
09:17 So there seems to be a contradiction.
09:19 I was hoping you could clarify that for me.
09:22 Doug: Oh, I'm so glad you asked that question because it's
09:24 a common misunderstanding, and it is very important.
09:28 Let's go back to what you read to begin with in Ephesians
09:30 chapter 2: "For by grace--" this is verse 8.
09:34 "For by grace you've been saved through faith,
09:36 that not of yourselves.
09:37 It is a gift of God, not of works,
09:39 lest anyone should boast."
09:41 And then many people stop.
09:42 Read the next verse: "For we are His workmanship, created in
09:47 Christ Jesus for good works."
09:50 So, when we are born again, we're re-created.
09:52 We are re-created for good works.
09:55 So, a Christian definitely does works, but we're not doing the
09:58 works to be saved.
10:00 We're doing the works, because we are saved.
10:03 And that is, I think, a fundamental difference.
10:06 It's so important to understand that.
10:08 God saves us by His grace.
10:11 We're not saved because we earn it by doing good works.
10:15 When we accept His salvation, which is free, then we want to
10:19 do good works because we love Him.
10:21 Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep my commandments."
10:24 Now, an example would be the thief on the cross who--well,
10:27 there are two thieves, but one turned to Jesus.
10:29 He asked for mercy, said, "Lord, remember me."
10:33 Jesus said, "You will be with Me in Paradise."
10:36 He didn't do any good works.
10:37 All he did, shortly after that, was die.
10:40 So he would--definitely was not saved by his works.
10:42 He was saved by grace.
10:43 Now, if he had come down from the cross somehow and survived,
10:46 he would have lived differently out of love
10:49 for the Lord and gratitude.
10:51 So there are definitely works in the Christian life.
10:53 Even Martin Luther said that, you know, we are not saved by
10:56 works, but we will not be saved without them.
11:00 So the saved will have works in their life.
11:03 So, hopefully, that helps.
11:04 It's a great question, Gary, and we do have a book called "Does
11:08 God's Grace Blot Out the Law?"
11:10 Jean: And we'll be happy to send that to you, Gary, or
11:13 anyone wanting to learn more about the subject.
11:15 The book is called "Does God's Grace Blot Out the Law?"
11:18 The number is 800-835-6747.
11:20 That is our resource phone line.
11:22 You can also just dial "#250" on your smartphone and ask for
11:26 "Does God's Grace Blot Out the Law?"
11:28 You know, Pastor Doug, James, in the book of James, says,
11:31 "Someone says, 'I have faith,'" and then he goes on to say,
11:36 "Show me your faith by your works."
11:38 So the kind of faith that saves is a working faith, a faith that
11:41 is demonstrated in the life.
11:43 We've got Jerry listening in Texas.
11:45 Jerry, welcome to the program.
11:47 Jerry: Hey, pastors.
11:48 I just wanted to get your take on this.
11:50 I had a discussion with a good friend of mine, and I told her
11:55 that there was no marriage in heaven, and she was disappointed
11:58 by it, you know?
11:59 She loves children.
12:01 Of course, in Zechariah 8:5, it says the children, the boys and
12:05 girls, will play in heaven, but what about after 1,000 years
12:09 or 1,500 years?
12:11 Doug: That's a good question.
12:12 Well, you know, God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful, and the
12:15 word He used is "to fill the earth."
12:17 I think some versions say "replenish" it.
12:19 Just, it really means "to fill the earth."
12:21 God intended to populate the world with the redeemed.
12:25 I don't think God intended for people to continue to multiply
12:30 so that the resources of the planet would be crowded out, and
12:33 everybody'd be falling' off the planet into empty space.
12:36 You know, at some point, God was going to think, "Okay, we've got
12:40 the optimum number of people to enjoy this paradise I've made,
12:43 and there'd be no more procreation,"
12:45 unless He kept making new worlds.
12:47 So, we understand now that the new earth, through the plan of
12:50 salvation, will be repopulated with the redeemed, and Jesus
12:55 said the saved do not marry nor are they given in marriage,
12:59 meaning that, you know, we don't procreate.
13:02 Will there be children in heaven?
13:04 The children of all those who were saved will be resurrected
13:06 or caught up into the air as children, but they will
13:11 eventually grow up, and you read about that in Malachi chapter 4.
13:14 It says: "They will go forth and grow up as calves of the stall."
13:18 So, and I think there's that passage in Isaiah, Pastor Ross,
13:23 where it says, "And the child will die 100 years old," and
13:26 that simply means they don't even cease to be a child until
13:29 they're 100 years old, so they grow more slowly.
13:32 But you're right, after 1,000 years, you probably won't see
13:35 any new children in the kingdom.
13:37 Kind of sad to think about, but I promise,
13:39 nobody's going to ask for a refund.
13:41 I promise.
13:43 Everyone will be happy in heaven.
13:45 Thanks so much, Jerry.
13:46 Appreciate that.
13:47 Jean: Okay, very good. Thanks, Jerry.
13:49 We've got Brittany listening in California.
13:51 Brittany, welcome to the program.
13:54 Brittany: Hey--hah-hah-hah.
13:56 Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.
13:57 Brittany: Well, my question is why does Matthew 22:16, Mark
14:03 12:14, and Luke 20:21, say the exact same thing in the
14:09 beginning but different wording at the end?
14:14 Doug: In Matthew 22, verse 16--I can
14:18 only go there real quick.
14:19 I'm starting with--you've given me several verses here.
14:22 I want to start with them, one by one.
14:24 Says, "And they sent to Him their disciples with the
14:26 Herodians, saying, 'Teacher, we know that You're true, and teach
14:29 the way of God, and You don't care about anyone.
14:31 You regard no person of men.
14:33 Tell us, therefore, what do You think?
14:35 Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar?"
14:36 Is that the one you're talking about?
14:39 Brittany: Yeah, that's--
14:40 Doug: Yeah, keep in mind that Jesus had a number of--and you
14:44 might find the wording a little different in other gospels.
14:47 Is that what you're saying?
14:50 Brittany: Yeah, I'm doing a topic study on the Christian
14:56 truth, and then I found these passages,
14:59 and it's saying the same thing.
15:01 I'm like, "What on earth is that about?"
15:03 So--
15:04 Doug: Yeah, well, keep in mind that, first of all, Jesus
15:08 had a number of encounters with the scribes and the Pharisees
15:12 and the Herodians, and this, to me, I think, is evidence that
15:16 the wording is slightly different, then Matthew, Mark,
15:19 and Luke are not just copying each other.
15:21 They're telling the story the way the remember it, and they're
15:24 really all telling the same story, aren't they, about Him
15:27 holding up the coin and saying, "Render to Caesar the things
15:29 that are Caesar's," right?
15:32 Brittany: Yeah.
15:34 Doug: So the essence of the story and the answer and the
15:36 teaching of Christ is the same in all the stories.
15:39 The wording leading up to it may be a little different.
15:43 Another thing to keep in mind is that, as Jesus went from town to
15:46 town, some of His experiences had been repeated by others, and
15:54 so His confrontation with the scribes and the Pharisees and
15:58 Herodians may have been retold by the apostles to others, and
16:01 so you're getting them telling it from their perspectives,
16:05 and that's normal.
16:06 They're putting in their own words what happened.
16:08 They may have been very long conversations, but they're
16:11 making it very succinct.
16:13 Jean: And, again, as you mentioned, Pastor Doug, if you
16:15 look at what's actually being said, the content is the same.
16:19 The wording might be a little different, but the principle or
16:22 the point that Christ is making is clear
16:24 in all three gospel accounts.
16:26 Doug: Yeah, one more thing to remember is--and it was brought
16:29 to my attention that Jesus, He taught in Aramaic.
16:35 The scribes spoke, you know, Aramaic and pure Hebrew, and
16:39 they lived in a country that had been occupied by Greece, so many
16:43 of them understood Greek, and they were occupied by the
16:46 Romans, who spoke Latin, and so as these stories are told and
16:49 retold, the gospels are written in Greek, but Jesus didn't say
16:52 these things in Greek.
16:54 So they're translating what was said in Aramaic into Greek, and
16:58 you can choose a few different words to translate.
17:00 So that's one more reason sometimes
17:02 you'll see a little difference.
17:04 Jean: All right, that's a good point.
17:05 Next caller that we have is Tim listening in Wisconsin.
17:08 Tim, welcome to the program.
17:10 Tim: Good evening, pastors. How are you?
17:12 Doug: I'm doing great. Thank you for calling.
17:14 Tim: Excellent.
17:15 No, thank you for taking my call.
17:16 My question--I don't want it to be confusing.
17:21 In prophecy, we believe that the 70-week prophecy, the 490-year
17:26 prophecy, that was all in order from 457 B.C.
17:31 to 34 A.D., when the stoning of Stephen happened, and there's no
17:36 breaks in there, and some people believe that the last week of
17:39 the 60--or the 70-week prophecy is going to be in the future,
17:45 and we already know it's not because it's--
17:47 it ended in 34 A.D.
17:49 Doug: Mm-hmm.
17:50 Tim: Now, my question has to do--and don't want to be
17:52 confusing, but my question has to do with Revelation chapter
17:57 16, verse 12, when the angel pours out the sixth bowl, I
18:02 believe, and the river Euphrates dries up, now, in prophecy, I'm
18:08 just having a little trouble because I want to go in order.
18:11 My mind works in order, one, two, three, four, five.
18:14 Doug: Sequentially, yeah. Tim: Thank you.
18:17 Kind of nervous. I apologize.
18:19 Doug: No, you're doing fine.
18:21 Tim: When the river Euphrates dried up when the Medo-Persians
18:25 attacked and conquered Babylon, is the river Euphrates still
18:30 going to dry up again in prophecy, according to
18:32 Revelation, or has that already happened?
18:35 And why, if we believe things, you know, in order, why would we
18:39 go back to believe that one?
18:41 I'm trying not to be confusing.
18:43 I'm just trying to figure it out.
18:44 Doug: Yeah, well, for one thing, Revelation has several
18:46 examples of history repeating itself.
18:48 You've got the plagues in the Old Testament that were literal
18:51 plagues, the blood and the frogs and the sun going dark,
18:56 so forth, the hail.
18:57 You see some of those same plagues repeated in Revelation,
19:01 so you do have history repeating itself.
19:03 The sequence isn't always the same, and the prophecies in
19:06 Revelation--I'm going to let Pastor Ross also address this
19:09 because it's, sort of, his special study.
19:11 The prophecies in Revelation are not all taking place
19:14 in sequential order.
19:16 The prophecies of Daniel and Revelation and Isaiah and
19:19 Ezekiel, they basically give a picture, then they come back,
19:23 and they show the same picture from a different angle, using
19:26 different symbols, and the time lapse may overlap a little bit
19:29 and then progress, but sometimes they back up to re-cover
19:33 something, and when it talks about the Euphrates drying up,
19:37 well, I think there's a spiritual application to that.
19:41 The Euphrates was the principal source for the water of Babylon,
19:46 and Ancient Babylon, we know, has a spiritual meaning too, and
19:50 it's going to dry up, but it is interesting the literal
19:53 Euphrates seems to be drying up also.
19:56 Jean: That's right, of course, if you look at the
19:58 context, Revelation 16, verse 12, we're talking about one of
20:02 the plagues, actually, talking about the sixth plague, and the
20:04 sixth plague sort of leads into the seventh,
20:08 which is the Second Coming of Christ.
20:09 There's some other things connected with it, but the sixth
20:12 plague prepares the way for the Second Coming of Christ.
20:16 So it's got a literal application, as you mentioned,
20:18 Pastor Doug, but there's also definitely a spiritual
20:20 application in that you have the water Euphrates.
20:23 In -- Bible prophecy, it represents people, multitudes
20:25 and nations and kins and tongues, and giving their
20:28 support to this spiritual power, called Babylon, but during the
20:32 plagues, they realized they've been deceived, and they withdraw
20:35 that support, and the drying up the river Euphrates is a
20:39 withdrawal of the support that the people gave or give to this
20:43 religious, political power at the end, and that is preparing
20:46 the way for the Second Coming of Christ.
20:48 There's also a counterfeit that takes place around that time.
20:52 It talks about three unclean spirits, like frogs, coming out
20:54 of the mouth of the dragon, out of the beast,
20:56 out of the false prophet.
20:57 This is the devil that is performing miracles just before
21:01 the Second Coming of Christ.
21:03 So there's a lot happening in this verse.
21:05 Doug: Yeah, and you actually see the drying up of the
21:07 Euphrates happening in Revelation 18, where it talks
21:11 about Babylon, and it says, "I sit as a queen, and 'No more
21:15 I'll see no sorrow,' she said.
21:16 Therefore her plagues will come in one day--
21:18 death and mourning and famine.
21:20 And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the
21:23 Lord who judges her."
21:24 And it goes through that whole chapter and talks about how she
21:27 is drying up with--economically and socially and politically,
21:32 and, just, it shows the--basically, the decimation
21:35 of Babylon happening there.
21:38 Jean: All right, very good. Thank you, Tim.
21:40 We've got Angela listening in Illinois.
21:41 Angela, welcome to the program.
21:44 Angela: Oh, hi, Pastor Ross, and hi, Pastor Doug.
21:47 Doug: Hi.
21:48 Angela: I have a question in regards to 2 Chronicles 33.
21:53 I was reading about Manasseh, and I was just wondering, you
21:58 know, although Manasseh humbled himself, basically, reading all
22:02 of the despicable things that he did, you know, when Assyria took
22:08 him and he humbled himself and the Lord restored him, do you
22:13 think that Manasseh would be saved?
22:17 Doug: You know, it says he turned back to the Lord God, and
22:20 so assuming that that's the Holy Spirit working in his life, that
22:25 "since he repaired the altar of the Lord, he sacrificed peace
22:28 offerings and thank offerings on it," so he's claiming the mercy
22:32 of God and the blood of the lamb, "and he commanded Judah to
22:36 serve the Lord God of Israel," and this is
22:39 in 2 Chronicles 33:16.
22:42 So, and it talks about his prayer that he prayed.
22:44 There's a record of it that we don't have in the Bible, but it
22:46 mentions his prayer of repentance.
22:48 I think Hezekiah, his father, who is a good king, he's praying
22:53 for his son, before he dies, and I think God ultimately is
22:56 answering Hezekiah's prayer that Manasseh would be saved.
23:00 So I know it's despicable what he did, but God's mercy is so
23:05 great, I think He even forgave Manasseh.
23:09 Angela: Okay, thank you.
23:11 Doug: You're welcome.
23:12 Thanks so much.
23:13 Jean: Next caller that we have is Lee listening in Texas.
23:16 Lee, welcome to the program.
23:19 Lee: Yes, sir, Pastor, thank you.
23:20 Can you hear me?
23:21 Doug: Yes.
23:23 Lee: Okay, my question is "Can a person still repent
23:26 during the enforcement of the mark of the beast?"
23:30 Doug: Okay, possibly.
23:33 Now, when you say, "enforcement," once a person
23:35 receives the mark of the beast, I believe that they've grieved
23:38 away the Holy Spirit because it says that the wrath of God
23:42 abides upon them, those who receive the mark of the beast,
23:46 and you read that in Revelation 14, and, I think, a couple of
23:48 other places, but there'll be a time when the mark of the beast
23:53 is being issued, and people can still make choices, but, at some
23:58 point, the sealed are sealed, and the lost are lost, and
24:01 there's no forgiveness or repentance.
24:03 Is that your understanding?
24:05 Jean: Yeah, absolutely.
24:06 Of course, the mark of the beast issue is going to bring--it's
24:09 going to be brought before everyone, so everyone gets to
24:11 make a choice: Are they going to go along with man-made
24:13 traditions, or are they going to be obedient to the Word of God?
24:15 It's at that point, that critical point, where people are
24:19 either sealed with the seal, or they receive
24:21 the mark of the beast.
24:22 And then the Bible says probation closes, and Jesus
24:25 says, "He that is holy, let him be holy still.
24:27 He that is filthy, let him be filthy still."
24:29 Probation closes, the seven last plagues fall, and then Jesus
24:33 comes, so it's a pretty important time.
24:35 Doug: Says in Revelation 14:11, "They have no rest day or
24:39 night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives
24:43 the mark of his name."
24:44 So once they receive the mark, it seems like they settled their
24:48 decision, and they're lost for eternity.
24:51 Can we squeeze in one more before the break?
24:53 Jean: Yeah, let's try Edna in Canada.
24:55 Edna, welcome to the program.
24:57 Edna: Good evening, gentlemen.
24:59 I have a question in regards to Daniel 12:11 and 12, about the
25:05 1,290 days and the 1,335.
25:08 Where do they fit in, in this--in the prophecy?
25:13 Doug: Okay, good question.
25:15 You're asking one of the big questions on--you get more time
25:19 prophecies in Daniel 12, than anywhere else in the Bible, and
25:23 so it talks about 1,260 days, 1,335, and 1,290,
25:28 not in that order.
25:30 Daniel is dealing with a great apostasy that happens in the
25:34 church and a great persecution of God's people in a time of
25:37 trouble, and he, sort of, is summarizing what he has said
25:41 regarding these times, earlier in the book.
25:44 And do we have a study written?
25:48 I'm just wondering if we have something we can send because
25:51 it's sometimes a challenge to go through Clovis, the king of the
25:54 Franks, and the 1,335, and I don't know
25:57 if you want to take a stab at it?
25:58 Jean: Yeah, I'm just wondering, Pastor Doug, you
26:00 bring up a good point.
26:01 Maybe we do need to get a little book together because we do get
26:03 this question -- time.
26:04 Doug: We get that question a lot.
26:06 Jean: You know, historically, the conservative Bible
26:07 theologians, many of the early reformers, understood the
26:10 principle for a day equals a year, understood that these time
26:13 periods represent 1,290 years, or 1,335 years, and they've
26:19 identified a rather important date for the starting of that
26:22 has been 508, 508 A.D., when France or the Franks at the
26:28 time, the King of which was Clovis, when he converted to
26:31 Christianity and accepted Papal authority, that really opened up
26:36 for the establishment of the Papal power--
26:39 Doug: The religious, political power.
26:40 Jean: --but throughout western Europe.
26:43 So using that as the starting date, you end up in 1798.
26:46 If you use the 1,290, and if you use the 1,335, it goes from 508
26:51 all the way up to 1843, which, if you study church history, you
26:56 realize that was a very significant time, a time of
26:58 revival, especially North America, and that was preparing
27:02 for entering into the time of judgment at the end of the --
27:06 Doug: Church of Laodicea, which were
27:07 entered into during that time.
27:09 Well, and there's more to that.
27:10 We really need to do a study on Daniel 12, so, when people ask,
27:15 we can map it out for them because it's one of the deepest
27:19 Bible-study prophecies that's there.
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30:00 My name is Doug Batchelor.
30:02 Jean: My name is Jean Ross, and we've got a number of folks
30:04 who are waiting, holding on for a line.
30:06 We've got Bradley listening in Arizona.
30:08 Bradley, welcome to the program.
30:11 Bradley: Hey, how are you guys doing tonight?
30:13 I'm glad you took my call, and my question is--I've been doing
30:16 some studying, and I've heard some pastors on some other
30:19 satellite stations that made it sound like Jesus would've come
30:24 the second time already if we would've, as His people, had our
30:29 act together and gotten a good word out, and I'm wondering if
30:34 there's any Scripture that backs that up?
30:37 Doug: Yeah, actually, I think there is.
30:40 I think you'll agree, Bradley, that the children of Israel, God
30:44 wanted to bring them into the Promised Land sooner than He
30:47 did, but because of their lack of faith,
30:50 they wandered for 40 years.
30:53 You know, Jesus says in Matthew 24:14, he said, "The Gospel of
30:57 the kingdom will go into all the world."
30:58 I think, if Christians had been more inspired and diligent to
31:02 share their faith and get the gospel out, He would've come,
31:06 and there's a verse, if you look--and this is one of several
31:09 I could probably show you.
31:10 If you look in 2 Peter chapter 3, verse 12, it says, "Looking
31:15 for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which
31:20 the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements
31:23 will melt with fervent heat?"
31:25 And he says that we should be "looking for and hastening."
31:28 So how do we hasten?
31:29 Well, it said everyone needs to hear the gospel even though they
31:32 may not all believe.
31:33 It goes out as a witness to all nations.
31:35 So, I think--and there's a lot of other verses, I think, that
31:40 imply that--I mean, God knows--He knows everything.
31:42 He knows when He's going to come.
31:44 He knew the children of Israel were going to wander
31:46 longer than they needed to.
31:47 So it's not like God's been surprised, but as far as our
31:51 responsibility, things could've happened sooner
31:55 if we had been more diligent.
31:58 Jean: All right, very good. Well, thank you, Bradley.
32:00 Good question.
32:01 We've got Ann listening in Minnesota.
32:02 Ann, welcome to the program.
32:05 Ann: Hi, Pastor, thanks for taking my call.
32:07 Doug: Thank you.
32:08 Ann: My question today is "Can the Bible be an idol?"
32:12 Doug: Well, I think so.
32:14 You know, I think some people take a big family Bible, and
32:16 they put it on the coffee table in the living room, and they'll
32:19 put flowers in it, and they'll tell everyone to, you know, dust
32:22 it, and they don't ever read it.
32:25 So it's like they've got--they say, "We've got this Holy Book,"
32:27 and they might kneel in front of it and pray to it,
32:29 and you could make a Bible an idol.
32:32 Not too many people do that, but, technically,
32:35 I suppose you could.
32:36 They're not reading it and following its teaching.
32:38 It's like they're revering just the book for being a Holy Book.
32:42 Jean: Now, there is something to treating
32:43 the Bible with reverence.
32:44 Doug: Yeah, we should.
32:46 Jean: You don't just treat it like any other book.
32:47 It is the Word of God.
32:48 Doug: But we don't pray to the Bible.
32:50 Jean: No, there's no--I mean, it's the words in the book
32:51 that have the power--
32:53 --not the book, in and of itself.
32:54 Doug: True.
32:56 Jean: Does that help, Anna--or Ann?
32:57 Ann: Yes, it does. Thank you.
32:58 Jean: All right, you're welcome.
33:00 Thanks.
33:01 We've got Grace listening in California.
33:02 Grace, welcome to the program.
33:04 Grace: Hi, Pastor Doug and Pastor Ross.
33:06 Good evening.
33:07 Doug: Evening.
33:09 Grace: My question is about is it good for a Christian to
33:12 take a student loan?
33:16 Doug: Well, the principle in the Bible, as far as possible,
33:20 we should avoid debt.
33:22 You've got examples, where it says, you know, the borrow is
33:25 servant to the lender.
33:27 There's a story in the Bible in 2 Kings chapter 4, where this
33:32 wife, she was married to one of the sons of the prophets.
33:35 Her husband takes out a loan for some land or something, and he
33:38 dies, leaving the family in debt, and the children are about
33:41 to be sold off, and she's terribly anxious and suffering
33:46 because of this debt, so, but maybe he had no choice.
33:51 Some people will never get through school or buy a home
33:53 unless they take out loans, but you don't want to borrow more
33:57 than you can really handle.
33:59 I think we saw, a few years ago, this terrible home-loan crisis
34:03 in North America.
34:04 The banks were giving away loans to people that really weren't
34:07 qualified, and then, when the market imploded, thousands,
34:12 millions of people lost their homes because they took on too
34:16 much debt, and it was very tragic.
34:18 So, you know, sometimes the only way that you're going to get
34:21 through school or get a home is to make--
34:25 take on a responsible debt.
34:27 Just make sure you don't get in over your head or what you can
34:29 reasonably pay.
34:31 And so you need to pray about that, but it's not a sin.
34:35 Jean: You know, Pastor Doug, we also have the book written
34:37 about what the Bible has to say about debt, and we actually
34:41 advertise that book during our break with the program here, and
34:44 we'll be happy to send that to--
34:46 Doug: Yeah, "Freedom From Debt."
34:47 Jean: --yeah, we'll be happy to send it
34:48 to anyone who calls and asks.
34:50 The number is 800-835-6747, and the book, again,
34:52 Pastor Doug, I'm looking for--
34:53 Doug: "Freedom from Debt." Jean: "Freedom from Debt."
34:55 Doug: It may not be in our list here.
34:56 Jean: It's a newer book.
34:57 We'll be happy to send it to anyone who calls.
34:59 In Canada and the U.S., just ask for the book by name,
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35:10 Next caller that we have is Dennis listening in Oregon.
35:13 Dennis, welcome to the program.
35:15 Dennis: Hello, pastors, good evening.
35:18 Yeah, my question is--go back to the beginning here, Genesis 1,
35:24 verse 28, talks about "Go forth and multiply."
35:29 Well, my understanding is Adam and Eve only had three sons.
35:35 I wonder how this is supposed to be possible?
35:38 Doug: Well, you have to go to chapter 5.
35:40 You got your Bible in front of you?
35:41 Dennis: Yes, I do.
35:43 Doug: Okay, go to chapter 5, and it tells about the first
35:45 three sons, but there were many others.
35:47 You look in verse 4, and it says, "After he begot Seth, the
35:51 days of Adam were 800 years, and he had sons and daughters."
35:56 So, Adam and Eve, living all those years--and I'm sure they
35:58 were fertile for many years.
36:00 God told them, "Be fruitful and multiply," and she may have had
36:04 several sets of twins.
36:06 I heard, I think, the record is one woman had 69 children.
36:11 That's the record as far as I know.
36:12 It's been years ago, but I think on Mother's Day,
36:14 years ago, I did that.
36:16 One woman had 69 children, several sets of twins, I think,
36:19 one or two sets of triplets.
36:22 And Eve was probably perfectly fertile,
36:26 and they had lots of children.
36:28 It says they had sons and daughters, so it just mentions
36:30 the first three because they were the oldest boys, and they
36:33 sort of played into the story.
36:36 Jean: All right, very good. Thank you.
36:38 Next caller that we have, let's see, Ruth from Missouri.
36:40 Ruth, welcome to the program.
36:42 Ruth: Hi, good evening, pastors.
36:44 Doug: Yeah.
36:46 Ruth: According to Revelation 1:7, there is special
36:50 resurrection for the wicked.
36:52 Is there a special resurrection of the righteous, and would it
36:55 be at the same time as the special resurrection
36:58 of the wicked?
36:59 Doug: Well, there have been some righteous that have already
37:02 been specially resurrected.
37:04 Of course, the Lord performed a special resurrection for Moses.
37:10 And Moses was buried, and it says
37:13 that he evidently is in heaven.
37:15 He appears in Mark chapter 9, with Elijah.
37:19 We know Elijah wasn't raised.
37:20 He was translated as was Enoch.
37:23 And then, at the death of Christ, in Matthew 27, says,
37:26 "Many graves were opened following the earthquake when
37:29 Jesus died, and those people came out of the grave, many of
37:31 the saved around Jerusalem.
37:33 They appeared to people in the city, and they ascended to
37:35 heaven when Jesus ascended.
37:37 So that was a special resurrection for the righteous.
37:40 The rest of the righteous rise when the Lord comes.
37:43 I don't believe there's any special resurrection prior to
37:45 the Second Coming.
37:46 Some may get out of the graves a little bit prior so they can see
37:50 Him coming, but it's basically the day of His coming.
37:53 Jean: Mm-hmm.
37:54 Doug: So, and then, there's a special resurrection for the
37:57 wicked who were involved in condemning and torturing and
38:04 persecuting Jesus around the scenes of the cross.
38:07 That's what you referred to there in Revelation 1:7.
38:11 So, yeah, good question.
38:13 But the general resurrection, the dead in
38:15 the Christ rise first.
38:17 Thousand years later, all the rest of the dead,
38:20 the wicked are raised.
38:21 Jean: All right, next caller that we have, I believe,
38:23 is Giselle from Michigan.
38:26 Giselle: Thank you for taking my call.
38:27 I'm a little sick, so I hope I'm clear, but I have a question
38:31 regarding the Sabbath.
38:34 So is the Fourth Commandment, in Exodus chapter 20, regarding a
38:39 literal seven-day week, or is the Sabbath to be kept as a
38:42 Lunar Sabbath, like, on a lunar cycle, like it would--like
38:46 described in, like, Leviticus 23?
38:50 Doug: Yes, okay, a good question, and there's, you know,
38:54 there's some Sabbatarians out there that are convinced that
38:57 the Sabbath is just to be governed by the moon, but
39:01 historically, the Sabbath, it began at Creation on the seventh
39:05 day of the week, and there's a seven-day cycle that's totally
39:08 independent from the lunar cycle.
39:10 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, the days of the
39:12 week, we still follow now, today.
39:15 It's interesting that the whole world follows the seven-day
39:17 week, and there's nothing in astronomy that would give us
39:20 that, that's, you know, reason the world has a moon was about
39:24 30 days is--a month with about 30 days is because of the moon,
39:28 and we all have a year with 365 days because of the earth's
39:31 orbit around the sun and a day with 24 hours because it rotates
39:35 in that time on its axis.
39:37 There's nothing in the sun, moon, earth, stars, that gives
39:40 us a seven-day week.
39:41 That purely comes from Creation, and the seventh-day Sabbath is
39:45 governed by just the weekly cycle
39:48 of a sequence of seven days.
39:50 Jean: And, I think, the Fourth Commandment itself makes
39:52 it very clear.
39:53 Says, "For in six days, the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the
39:56 sea, and He rested on the seventh day."
39:58 This is not talking about a monthly Sabbath, but it's
39:59 talking about a weekly Sabbath.
40:01 Doug: Yeah, and that seventh day was followed
40:02 by another first day.
40:04 Jean: That's right.
40:05 Doug: And it just kept going like that.
40:06 And you've got the Jewish nation that's kept it
40:08 that way for 3,000 years.
40:09 Jean: All right, we've got Gerald listening in Montana.
40:11 Gerald, welcome to the program.
40:14 Gerald: Good evening, Pastor.
40:16 Doug: Evening.
40:17 Gerald: I got a question.
40:19 You know, the Bible says we can eat the clean meats.
40:23 And you get into, I think, it's the 14th chapter of Samuel, and
40:28 it goes-- said that eating the blood is a sin.
40:33 Doug: Yes.
40:34 Gerald: Now, my question is this: If we consider the clean
40:38 meats today, most of it, I, myself, I grew up in a logging
40:45 camp for years, and the blood's still in the meat.
40:50 Doug: Right.
40:52 Gerald: How do we reconcile the two thoughts?
40:55 Doug: Well, you know, I can't account for what people may do.
40:59 All I can do is tell you what the Bible says, and the Bible
41:02 says, all the way from the beginning--
41:04 this is not a Jewish law.
41:05 God even gave it to Noah.
41:06 And, everyone listening, if you didn't know this, we are all
41:09 brothers and sisters because we are all related to Noah.
41:12 And He said we're not to eat blood.
41:15 It's not only in the Old Testament.
41:16 If you look in Acts chapter 15, it says they were not, even the
41:20 Gentiles, not to eat blood.
41:22 And God clearly told people that, even when they eat the
41:26 clean animals, they were to butcher them, so they typically
41:29 cut the throat, and they would drain the blood out.
41:31 Now, that doesn't mean there would be no blood cells left in
41:34 the body because that's, you know, hard to do that, but they
41:37 were to principally drain out the blood.
41:39 Most of them, meat you buy, clean meats you buy in the
41:42 market, when they're butchered, they drain the blood out.
41:46 I don't know what happened in your logging camp, and I know
41:49 some people eat blood sausage where they don't drain the blood
41:52 out because they want it juicy but--yeah.
41:56 Disease can be transferred from animal to animal, and some
42:00 animals have disease in their blood, and by consuming that, we
42:04 can actually pick up disease from animals,
42:07 and God knew what He was saying.
42:09 He not only said that.
42:10 He said, "Don't eat the fat."
42:11 So, you know, so, I remember, as a kid, I ate a lot of steak,
42:14 and I liked that.
42:16 When people were done, I'd say, "Can I have your fat?"
42:19 I mean, it kind of grosses me out to even think about it now
42:22 but--because that's where all the toxins are stored, and God
42:26 said you shouldn't eat that.
42:27 Now people are pretty wise.
42:28 They understand cholesterol, and they say, "You know, God knew
42:30 what he was talking about.
42:31 We shouldn't be eating animal fat."
42:33 That's almost pure cholesterol.
42:34 Anyway, I hope that helps a little bit, but, yeah, try it.
42:38 You can buy meat that doesn't have the blood in it.
42:41 Clean meats, I mean.
42:42 Jean: You know, we have a study guide.
42:43 It's called "God's Free Health Plan."
42:45 Talks about what the Bible says about food
42:46 and clean and unclean meats.
42:48 The number to call for that is 800-835-6747.
42:52 And, again, just ask for the study guide.
42:53 It's called "God's Free Health Plan."
42:55 You can also dial "#250."
42:57 Say, "Bible Answers Live," and say, "I'd like the study guide
43:00 called "God's Free Health Plan," and we'll send it to you.
43:04 We've got Israel listening in California.
43:07 Israel, welcome to the program.
43:10 Israel: Hi, thanks for taking my call.
43:12 Doug: Yeah.
43:13 Israel: My question is--it's concerning June 7 and, in
43:18 particular, the very end of it where it talks about the
43:21 punishment of eternal fire.
43:24 I was raised to, you know, believe in a literal hell, and
43:28 I'm trying to get over that, and I, just, I wondered if maybe you
43:31 could explain the, you know, the translation here in Jude 7.
43:37 Doug: Yeah, let me read the whole verse.
43:39 And Jude is calling people to repentance, and in Jude, there's
43:42 only one chapter, so it's Jude, verse 7, and it says, "As Sodom
43:46 and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in similar manner to
43:49 those, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and
43:53 going after strange flesh--" so he's--first, he puts Sodom and
43:58 Gomorrah as an example, and he says, "are an example, suffering
44:03 the vengeance of eternal fire."
44:05 Well, if you read similar verse here in Peter, it says that
44:08 Sodom and Gomorrah were turned to ashes.
44:11 They're not still burning.
44:12 So eternal fire doesn't mean it burns eternally.
44:15 Eternal fire means that what the fire did lasts forever.
44:19 Sodom and Gomorrah were never rebuilt.
44:22 The results of the fire are forever.
44:23 The wicked are consumed with eternal fire.
44:26 The result of that fire is eternal.
44:29 Jean: "Wages of Sin," the Bible says, "is death," so the
44:32 fire destroys them, and they are dead forever.
44:35 Doug: All you have to do is go to the south end of the Dead
44:38 Sea, and you can see where Sodom and Gomorrah were,
44:40 and they are not there anymore.
44:42 They're burnt up. They're gone.
44:44 Hey, thank you. Appreciate your call.
44:46 Jean: We've got Shauna listening in Washington.
44:47 Shauna, welcome to the program.
44:49 Shauna: Good evening, pastors.
44:50 Thank you.
44:51 Doug: Evening.
44:53 Shauna: My question is in Joshua chapter 7, and
44:55 specifically verses 24 and 25.
44:59 Doug: Aren't you--would you like me to read that for folks?
45:03 Shauna: Sure.
45:04 Doug: Okay, Joshua 7:24, "And Joshua, and all Israel with him,
45:08 took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver and the garment and
45:12 the wedge of gold, his sons and his daughters, his oxen, his
45:15 donkey, his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had, and brought
45:18 them to the valley of Achor.
45:20 And Joshua said, 'Why have you troubled us?
45:22 The Lord will trouble you this day.' So all Israel stoned him
45:26 with stones and burned them with fire after
45:28 they had stoned him with stones."
45:30 And they raise a great heap of stones on them.
45:32 So are you wondering why did the whole family die
45:35 for the sin of Achan?
45:37 Shauna: Yes, I am.
45:39 Doug: Okay, now, yeah, that's a good question.
45:40 That's why I kind of preempted it.
45:42 Well, it's understood that he hid--it says in the text he hid
45:47 the stolen objects from Jericho in the tent
45:50 under a carpet, presumably.
45:52 Everybody in the family knew.
45:55 God gave them all a chance to repent and confess
45:57 what had happened.
45:59 They had been strictly told don't take any bounty or booty
46:02 from the city of Jericho when it was destroyed.
46:04 It was all to be consecrated to the Lord.
46:07 Well, they stole, and the family conspired with him, and so not
46:11 only was the family destroyed but all their possessions, yes,
46:14 including their livestock was destroyed.
46:17 It was sort of complete annihilation of the family, and
46:20 it is--it's kind of set forth as an example of what happens in
46:23 the last days to those that turn against the Lord
46:28 and with a covetous heart.
46:30 We are lost, and we take people with us.
46:33 Achan's sin affected his family.
46:36 So I know it sounds pretty severe, but because of the sin
46:39 of Achan, several soldiers died in battle when they went against
46:43 Ai, and so he and his family had the blood of many of the other
46:48 Israelites on their hands.
46:50 Jean: All right, thank you, Shauna.
46:51 We've got Bob listening in Washington.
46:53 Bob, welcome to the program.
46:55 Bob: Hey, brothers, thank you very much.
46:57 Doug: Thanks for calling.
47:00 Bob: My question is "How should a Christian think about
47:03 UFOs and these things people see in the sky?
47:07 Could there be a connection between those UFOs and Satan?"
47:13 Doug: Could be.
47:15 I've got a good friend--he's passed away now--named Joe
47:18 Maniscalco, who actually wrote a book, an illustrated book, on
47:22 he thought a lot of the UFO sightings were satanic to get
47:26 people distracted from God and angels, and they were sort of
47:30 creating a different worldview by this.
47:34 And I don't know that.
47:35 I know that, as a pilot, I've seen a few UFOs.
47:39 Now, UFO, keep in mind, just means an "unidentified flying
47:42 object," and my wife and I tracked down a UFO once, and we
47:45 found out that it was a large metallic red balloon.
47:50 I said, "Dear, what is that?
47:51 It's a UFO."
47:52 We flew towards it, which probably isn't wise
47:54 if you think it's an alien.
47:56 And we felt so silly.
47:58 We got over there, and it was just one of these balloons.
48:00 Someone had let a big balloon go from a party, and it was just
48:02 hovering in space.
48:04 Our government shot down a balloon not long ago.
48:07 One was dangerous, and one was not, heh, so a lot of the UFOs,
48:11 I'd say, 99% of the UFOs that you hear about, if they're not
48:16 manufactured in people's imaginations, I think a lot of
48:18 them can be explained with astronomy or with
48:22 just the reflections of light.
48:25 I've seen some strange things out there, flying.
48:28 I've seen clouds, and the sun hit them, and there was one
48:30 little cloud all by itself, and I thought, for sure,
48:32 it was a UFO.
48:34 One quick story of one of my UFO stories, real quick.
48:37 I lived on a sailboat in the Mediterranean.
48:39 I was on night watch with three friends--two friends.
48:42 Three of us.
48:44 And, one night, we saw--we looked out.
48:45 While we're keeping watch, we saw a UFO coming towards us.
48:49 This UFO was shining in the night sky, and it was coming
48:53 towards our boat, and I called them over.
48:55 They looked at it.
48:56 We wondered whether we should go wake up the captain.
48:58 And then, pretty soon, we realized it was the sun rising,
49:02 and just the way that it was coming up, it looked like
49:04 a flying saucer.
49:05 There was a little spot in the clouds, but it looked like it,
49:08 and it kept getting bigger and bigger.
49:09 We thought it was coming.
49:11 So, yeah, I feel really stupid now, but you've probably
49:13 all got a laugh.
49:15 Anyway, so, yeah, you know, there are some things--the devil
49:19 could create illusions.
49:21 It's hard to know which are which.
49:22 Jean: Right, absolutely.
49:24 All right, well, thank you.
49:25 Lauren, listening in Maryland.
49:27 Lauren, welcome to the program.
49:29 Lauren: Hey, good afternoon, Pastor.
49:31 Thanks for taking my call tonight.
49:33 Doug: Yeah.
49:34 Lauren: I've learned so much from you guys.
49:36 Doug: Thank you.
49:38 Lauren: But the question I have here is, like, Genesis 1,
49:44 of 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth,"
49:50 and, 2, "And the earth was without form," and I was
49:54 wondering, I read Isaiah 45:18, I think, and it said that God
50:02 creates everything to be good and everything that God creates
50:06 is good, and I was wondering how the earth became void and
50:13 formless and dark, if something happened between Genesis 1 and
50:18 2, and if that had to do with the fall of Lucifer
50:23 that caused that to happen?
50:25 Doug: Okay, I think I understand your question.
50:28 Well, you may be assuming that, because the earth was without
50:32 form and void, that it was bad.
50:35 Everything God does is good.
50:37 So, when God created the material for the earth, it
50:42 doesn't mean it was bad.
50:43 It's no worse than a lump of un-shapen clay before the artist
50:46 gets ahold of it.
50:48 It's nothing bad about the clay.
50:49 It's just not been modeled yet.
50:52 And so, the world, when God made it, it didn't have the waters
50:55 separated from the waters, and it didn't--it was kind of
50:58 shapeless, and God, you know, He rolled up His sleeves and said,
51:02 "Oh, I can't wait to get to work with my material."
51:04 So it was just saying that there is this raw material He was
51:07 going to create from was there.
51:09 It wasn't bad.
51:10 Everything God does is good and even the void, earth,
51:13 was good at that point.
51:15 Jean: There was no life on the earth, just to clarify, so
51:17 it's not like God created the earth and then somehow it was
51:20 destroyed, and then He had to re-create the earth.
51:23 That was all part of the process.
51:24 Doug: Yeah, it was a great big lump of clay, so to speak,
51:27 something for Him to work with, and He took those elements and
51:31 shaped them, and that's what He did with man.
51:33 Says He took the dust, made a man out of it.
51:35 The dust wasn't bad, and He created a human from the clay.
51:40 Jean: Okay, next caller that we have, Valerie in California.
51:43 Valeria, welcome to the program.
51:46 Valerie: Hi, how are you, pastors?
51:47 Doug: Doing good.
51:49 Thank you for calling.
51:50 Valerie: Oh, thank you for taking my call.
51:52 My question is, Pastor Doug, I've heard you preach before
51:55 regarding Jesus turning water to wine, and then, as I was doing
52:00 my daily devotional on Numbers, in the book of Numbers chapter
52:05 6, and I'm focusing on verse 3, because I've never really read
52:10 the word "grape juice" in the Bible before, and here, on this
52:14 Scripture 3, it talks about wine and other fermented drink, and
52:20 it also mentions grape juice.
52:22 So my question is why wouldn't the word "grape juice" be in the
52:28 other verse where he turns water into wine?
52:32 Because that's like one of the biggest conversations I have
52:35 with people who still drink.
52:37 They say, "Well, Jesus turned the water to wine."
52:40 So I was really surprised when I read that "grape juice" word.
52:43 Doug: Can I ask you, what version of the Bible
52:45 are you reading?
52:47 Valerie: I've read it in the New King James Version because
52:49 that's my main Bible, and also, I've seen the word "grape
52:51 juice" in the NIV.
52:53 Doug: I think you'll find, though, if you look at the
52:56 original word in both the King James, New King James, the Old
53:00 Testament word there is the word "wine."
53:03 The King James translators realized that it has definitely
53:06 got to be grape juice because it's anything from the grape at
53:09 any stage, and so it says you're not even
53:11 supposed to eat a raisin.
53:13 The Nazirite was not supposed to eat anything from the vine, and
53:16 so they put the word "grape juice" in there,
53:19 but it's not in the original.
53:21 It's the same word that you're going to find used for "wine,"
53:23 and in the New Testament, there's only one word for wine.
53:25 I don't think you find the word "grape juice."
53:27 It's "oinos," "oinos," I think, if I'm pronouncing that right.
53:31 So, yeah, there's not a distinction made
53:34 in the original languages.
53:35 Some translators--and they did the right thing.
53:37 When they know it's grape juice, they put grape juice.
53:40 But, I think, if you get--is it Isaiah where it says, "As the
53:44 new wine is in the cluster"?
53:46 Valerie: Yeah, I remember that Scripture too.
53:48 Doug: Yeah, well, clearly, if it's still in the cluster, it's
53:50 not fermented yet so--but it uses the same word, "wine."
53:55 So that's why Jesus, when he said, "You don't put new wine--"
53:59 new wine is grape juice--in old wineskins," but it still uses
54:02 the same word for both.
54:04 So, hey, you know, I've got a book on alcohol.
54:06 We'll send you a free copy, and it's called
54:09 "The Christian and Alcohol."
54:10 Jean: The number to call for that is 800-835-6747.
54:13 You can ask for the book.
54:15 It's called "Alcohol and the Christian."
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54:30 You know, Pastor Doug, we might want to mention, and we probably
54:32 don't have enough time to take another call, but you can email
54:36 your Bible questions to Amazing Facts simply by just emailing
54:40 it to BALquestions@amazingfacts.org.
54:47 It's BALquestions@amazingfacts.org.
54:50 Doug: You're doing pretty good.
54:51 Pastor Ross was in Brazil two days ago.
54:53 Jean: I'm having a little jet lag here, hah-hah.
54:56 Doug: But he came in, a real trooper.
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55:29 Jean: Hello, friends, welcome back to "Bible Answers Live."
55:32 We're going to take a few moments to take your email
55:34 questions that have come in.
55:35 Well, here we go.
55:37 First question, Pastor Doug, comes from Rapha,
55:39 ten years old, from Canada.
55:41 He says, "Why is the God of Genesis so mean?
55:45 And he's not the God that I hear about in church."
55:48 Doug: Heh-heh, well, it's the same God, and you're going to
55:51 see that there are times when He deals severely with sin, not
55:55 only in the Old Testament, like Genesis, but in the New
55:59 Testament were the seven last plagues.
56:02 God destroys the world during the flood in the Old Testament.
56:05 He destroys the world with a fire in the New Testament
56:08 at the Second Coming.
56:10 And God, in the Old Testament, is a God of love and mercy.
56:13 Says He loves us with an everlasting love, and in the New
56:16 Testament, Jesus tells us God is love.
56:18 So it's the same God.
56:20 You've got both sides.
56:22 Jean: Okay, we've got another question.
56:24 Manuel asks, "When somebody dies and the breath goes back to
56:27 God, is this the breath of everyone or just the ones that
56:30 are to be saved?"
56:32 Doug: Well, you find that in Ecclesiastes chapter 7.
56:36 It says the person dies, that the body goes back to the dust,
56:42 and the spirit to God, who gave it.
56:45 And it's not just for when people die, but it says whether
56:48 it's a man or whether it's a beast, that breath of life, that
56:52 spirit--and the word "spirit" there in Hebrew is "ruach."
56:55 It just means "the breath."
56:57 It returns to God.
56:58 And so every creature in which is the breath of life, when it
57:02 dies, that breath of life goes back to God.
57:06 It's not like a little ghost from all the butterflies and
57:08 dogs and fish goes back to God.
57:10 It's just the breath of life.
57:12 It's not a conscious being because it doesn't have a body
57:14 to think in anymore.
57:16 Jean: Okay, John asks, "In Revelation chapter 1, verse 7,
57:18 it says that every eye will see Jesus.
57:21 Is this talking about the Second Coming, or is this the end of
57:24 the 1,000 years?"
57:26 Doug: Well, at the end of the 1,000 years--I'm sorry.
57:29 At the Second Coming, everybody alive on the planet will see
57:32 Jesus when He comes.
57:34 All the wicked who are raised will also see Him come.
57:38 Some who died before the Second Coming, they're going to see Him
57:41 come at the end of the 1,000 years, at that Resurrection,
57:43 coming in the New Jerusalem.
57:45 So everybody who has ever lived will, at some point in their
57:48 life, with their eyes, see the Lord come, and if they were
57:51 blind, God will give them eyes to see Him coming.
57:54 Jean: So those who are alive see Jesus at the Second Coming,
57:57 and then the wicked, well, they're resurrected at the end
58:00 of the thousand years, and they'll see the New Jerusalem as
58:03 you find described in Revelation 20.
58:05 Doug: Yeah, Christ is coming in glory there
58:06 with the New Jerusalem.
58:07 Hey, friends, that's all we have time for now.
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