Participants: Doug Batchelor
Series Code: AOT
Program Code: AOT000036
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00:12 Welcome to Anchors Of Truth live from Sacramento California.
00:17 Doctrines That Divide with Doug Batchelor. 00:23 Well listen, we're so glad that you can join us live. 00:26 And we are in Sacramento, California. 00:29 Anchors Of Truth is back on the road again. 00:32 We have come to you from Steve Bohr's congregation 00:36 there in Fresno California, from John Carter's congregation 00:40 in Los Angeles California, and now we are at 00:43 Sacramento Central Church, the home of Pastor Doug Batchelor. 00:49 And he is going to be presenting a series that we have 00:54 asked him to do, Truths That Divide. 00:58 And you know something? 00:59 There are truths that we are divided on as Christians. 01:03 There are certain Christians that believe one thing, 01:05 other Christians that believe another. 01:07 And by the way, even in the same denomination 01:11 often there is division on some of these subjects. 01:16 And so these are really doctrinal hot potatoes 01:20 that Pastor Doug Batchelor is going to be taking out, 01:24 looking at them in a very unique way 01:28 for the next five presentations. 01:31 And I am so happy that we can be here with Pastor Doug 01:36 in Sacramento. 01:37 Pastor Doug, would you come out? 01:39 I have been looking forward to seeing you and having our people 01:44 here see you. 01:47 This is black and white. 01:51 Hello, Pastor Gilley. Good to see you. 01:53 This is a unique outfit. 01:56 And do you want to give us any explanation 01:58 or just let us kind of decide if we can figure it our ourselves? 02:01 What's wrong with my outfit? 02:03 Well it looks like it's sort of divided. 02:05 And you even have... 02:07 I'll give a little explanation in a little bit. 02:09 Okay, alright. 02:10 Keep people, don't want them changing the channel yet. 02:12 No, that's right. 02:14 But this is unique. 02:17 I will say this, I have never seen anyone... 02:21 I have seen preachers show up with a brown shoe 02:23 and a black shoe before, which you've done tonight. 02:26 But I have never seen one show up in a half black 02:31 half white suit. 02:35 It might start a new trend, you never know. 02:36 You never can tell. 02:38 People have started trends like that. 02:40 Should we let them know tonight we're launching 02:42 a new denomination? 02:43 No, I don't think so. 02:47 Listen, you know that 3ABN and Amazing Facts have 02:52 a long history together. 02:54 And just a minute ago, I was talking to Danny Shelton, 02:57 and you probably already know this, but the first really 03:01 good cameras that 3ABN had were given to us by Amazing Facts. 03:08 They were in Canada and Joe Crews, for some reason 03:14 things had kind of shifted in Canada, and so Joe Crews 03:19 had called Danny Shelton and said, "We have these cameras, 03:22 and I'll tell you what we'll do. 03:24 We'll give you these cameras if you will put Amazing Facts 03:29 on for a year." 03:31 And Amazing Facts has been on ever since on 3ABN. 03:36 The rest of the story you may not know, Jim... 03:38 I probably don't. 03:39 The first cameras we got here at Sacramento Central 03:42 came from 3ABN. 03:44 Is that right? 03:46 It's true. 03:47 You know, what comes around goes around. 03:50 These two ministries have just worked together hand and glove. 03:56 Our philosophies are very much the same. 03:59 We reach out by faith to do things that only God can do. 04:04 By the way, I have really discovered in the last few years 04:07 the difference between faith and presumption. 04:10 And I really believe that presumption is when we 04:13 attempt something that will glorify ourselves, 04:16 and faith is when we launch out for God something 04:21 that will glorify God. 04:22 And those things never fail because God is always with us. 04:27 Presumption, most generally, will fail. 04:31 But not faith. 04:32 Well Doug, it's good to be with you. 04:34 We're looking forward to this series tonight. 04:37 Tonight is, justice and mercy and salvation. 04:41 And so that is an extremely important subject. 04:45 Amen, we'll be talking about the relationship 04:47 between the law and grace. 04:49 And it is a doctrine that sometimes divides. 04:52 It does. 04:53 As I was mentioning just before you came out, 04:55 even within denominations. 04:58 Not necessarily one denomination and another, 05:00 but a lot of people, even within families, 05:03 people are sometimes divided on this very important subject. 05:08 Well listen, I'd like to have a little word of prayer 05:10 just before you present this extremely 05:14 important subject tonight. 05:16 And would you call your friends and tell them to tune in, 05:21 that pastor Doug is coming live right now. 05:24 This is not a taped performance at this time 05:27 at 7:05 on this Wednesday night, which is the 19th of October. 05:33 It is coming to you live. 05:35 Call your friend and invite that friend, and even others, 05:41 to join you in listening on radio, watching on television, 05:47 this most important truth. 05:48 Shall we pray together. 05:49 Father in heaven, we're so thankful tonight for 05:53 the Word of God. 05:54 We're thankful that You have not left us without 05:59 a truth that can be defined. 06:02 And Father, we pray that You'll help us to lay aside 06:05 all preconceived ideas, that You'll help us to simply look 06:10 at what does the Bible say. 06:13 And then to be willing to follow. 06:17 And we thank You, Lord. In Jesus' name, amen. 06:22 - God bless you. - Thank you, Jim. 06:25 Well good evening, friends. 06:28 We have been praying for and planning for this presentation 06:33 for some time now. 06:35 And I'd like to just add my welcome to the 3ABN viewers. 06:38 It's very exciting to continue working in partnership 06:41 with this ministry over the years. 06:43 And we're really praying that God will continue to 06:47 pour out His Spirit. 06:49 Now this program, we're not going to have 06:51 your typical offering appeal. 06:53 All we're going to do is say right now that both 3ABN and 06:56 Amazing Facts are faith based ministries. 06:59 If you've been blessed by these ministries and you'd like to 07:03 give a donation to either or both, then the websites are 07:06 going to be up there on the screen. 07:08 We appreciate your going to Amazing Facts.com or org, 07:13 3abn.org, and showing your support. 07:16 And after tonight's program, if you're wanting a refund 07:19 for a past donation, then you're going to have to 07:22 call the Federal Reserve. 07:24 But there is a purpose for what I'm wearing. 07:29 And you can probably tell from the title of this series, 07:32 Doctrines That Divide, it has something to do with that. 07:36 And it is actually utilitarian. 07:38 This is more of a uniform that will help you understand. 07:42 Because this is a TV presentation 07:44 and it's a visual medium. 07:48 And we're going to be going from side to side 07:50 here on the platform. 07:51 And I'll get to that in just a moment. 07:55 You know, there are about 34,000 different Christian 08:00 denominations in the world. 08:03 I didn't say 34,000 religions. 08:06 34,000 different Christian denominations. 08:10 Most of them sprang up since the reformation about 500 years ago. 08:16 And they continue to split and divide 08:19 over, typically, doctrines. 08:23 Doctrine is a very divisive thing. 08:26 This week, if you're from the Sacramento area, 08:29 you know that a sister church right around the corner from us, 08:33 lovely people, were in the front pages of the religious section 08:38 over a major division regarding the doctrine of 08:41 gay marriage, in particular. 08:43 I was on the phone with the pastor there today and 08:45 praying for him, because it's just a terrible struggle 08:48 to go through, a church splitting. 08:51 And I wish I could say that our church was immune 08:53 to these things. 08:55 Now there's one philosophy that sometimes we approach 08:58 these things, we say, "Look, we're Christians. 09:01 Let's not disagree and let's avoid talking about doctrine." 09:06 But that's not really the answer. 09:07 And I don't think that's the answer that Jesus wants either. 09:10 The key is for us to find out what is truth. 09:14 Now I could have a lot of programs and talk about 09:16 all the different things that these 34,000 churches agree on. 09:21 But you know, that may not be very fruitful. 09:25 Because when Jesus comes back, He is coming back for 09:29 a united people. 09:32 The Bible tells us, in the very near future 09:35 there's going to be a polarizing between Christian groups, 09:39 professedly Christian groups. 09:41 One is going to have the mark of the beast 09:43 and the other is going to have the seal of God. 09:46 And you know what's going to divide them... 09:48 ...is doctrine. 09:50 And so we need to understand what the Bible really says. 09:54 Jesus said, "I've not come to send peace, but a sword." 09:57 And I don't want to cause any more problems 09:58 than the church already has. 10:00 But I think we need to honestly look at these very important 10:03 divisive doctrines today because we need to know where we 10:07 stand when Jesus comes back. 10:09 And that's the reason we're having this unique series. 10:12 Now let me explain what we're doing. 10:16 I'm a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 10:18 I have not always been a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 10:22 I'd like to believe I first came to Christ... 10:26 And I was a Christian. 10:27 I was sincere and I was genuine. 10:29 But I did not understand or believe or accept at that time 10:33 the doctrines that the Seventh-day Adventists believe. 10:36 Then over the course of two or three years in studying 10:39 and being exposed to a broad spectrum of different beliefs, 10:44 I settled down over 33 years ago and became 10:47 a Seventh-day Adventist. 10:49 And as time has gone by, I'm more convinced than ever 10:53 that these teachings are the closest teachings to the 10:56 teachings of Jesus in the Bible. 10:59 And frankly, it grieves me that so many dear Christian people 11:04 are confused about what some of these pivotal truths are. 11:09 Now I also want to say right at the beginning; 11:12 I believe that there are millions of loving, sincere, 11:18 spirit filled Christians in a broad spectrum of 11:22 different denominations. 11:24 But what we're going to be focusing on during this series 11:27 is, I'm going to take some of the primary differences between 11:31 Seventh-day Adventist Christians and when I stand over here, 11:34 I'm going to represent Pastor Doug. 11:36 That will be this side. 11:38 Though I won't always be showing you this side. 11:40 And please don't read anything special into the 11:43 black and white suit. 11:45 If you want to know the truth, they were on sale 11:48 at Penney's or Sears, I forget. 11:51 It was a great deal. 11:53 And we just needed two of the same brand that were different. 11:57 And this is what she came back with. 12:01 And then we took it to a Christian tailor. 12:04 One of the members did a magnificent job, I think. 12:07 It might start a new trend, you never know. 12:09 But this is a visual thing. 12:10 So when I'm over here, I'm Pastor Doug. 12:12 I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. 12:14 When I come over here, I'm going to be a person 12:18 we'll call, Pastor Barney. 12:21 Now I just, you know, I was thinking of maybe 12:23 Pastor Jim or Pastor Bob. 12:25 And I thought, you know, that's probably going to 12:27 resemble too much of the living. 12:29 And so I thought I'd just pick Pastor Barney. 12:31 And probably there's another Pastor Barney around the 12:33 corner I didn't know about. 12:34 And I don't want to offend anybody, but let's just 12:36 call him Pastor Barney. 12:37 He represents a conglomerate of mainline evangelical beliefs 12:44 that are non-Adventist. 12:45 And some of them don't agree with each other, 12:47 and I know that. 12:49 And when I stand here, I'm going to be representing 12:52 a mediator. 12:54 So I'll be a referee. 12:56 And when you see me do this, it's a fashion statement. 13:01 I just realized, when I do that it actually matches 13:03 right up the back, doesn't it. 13:06 And so, I'll be going back and forth, and representing 13:10 these different positions. 13:12 Now I think it's interesting that this year, 13:17 it was actually March 3rd, USA TODAY did a special report 13:23 where the headlines were dealing with the fastest growing church 13:27 in North America. 13:28 And this is from March 2011, the USA TODAY headlines read: 13:56 And then one might naturally ask, "Why?" 13:59 Frankly, I'm disappointed we're growing so slowly. 14:03 I think when God pours out His Spirit in the last days, 14:05 we're going to see an explosion of Pentecostal proportions 14:10 No allusion to a particular denomination there. 14:13 But that power of Pentecost will be spreading. 14:16 But the reason I believe the Seventh-day Adventist Church 14:18 is growing is because people are looking for stability. 14:22 When they read their Bibles for themselves, they go, "Oh." 14:27 And they find that these really are biblical beliefs. 14:31 Now, when you think of Seventh-day Adventists, 14:35 of a broad spectrum of doctrines you might consider, 14:40 what doctrine pops into your mind first? 14:43 The Sabbath. 14:45 Now the reason that the Sabbath is there and that is does 14:48 come to the front is because Seventh-day Adventists believe 14:50 the Ten Commandments are still in effect. 14:52 And as a result, you've got one commandment that 14:54 begins with the word "remember." 14:56 We figure that God meant that. 14:59 But you'd be surprised, in the last 150 years, 15:03 how many mainline Christian denominations have begun to 15:07 question if the Ten Commandments are even still in effect. 15:13 And so tonight, we're going to talk principally about 15:17 what salvation is in relationship to the 15:19 Ten Commandments, and if the Ten Commandments 15:21 are still valid, if God expects Christians to keep the 15:26 Ten Commandments. 15:27 And that's going to be our first question 15:29 we're going to deal with. 15:30 And maybe what we should do is, so you see that it's fair, 15:34 we'll flip a coin and see. 15:40 Heads I win, tails you lose, Pastor Barney. 15:46 Heads, I win. 15:50 I want to tell you right up front. 15:51 If you thought for a minute that this is going to be 15:53 a fair debate, it's not. 15:56 I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 15:58 Obviously, I am biased. 16:00 This is not even really a debate. 16:02 I'm just coming over here... 16:04 Matter of fact, why don't you just say "hello" to 16:05 Pastor Barney for a second. 16:06 Hello, Pastor Barney. 16:08 Good evening, my beloved. 16:10 And so, this is Pastor Barney over here. 16:13 He is going to represent... 16:14 He's not going to get fair time tonight. 16:16 I'm just sharing that with you. 16:17 If anyone says, "that wasn't fair," you're right, it wasn't. 16:20 But I'm doing this to help illustrate what some of the most 16:23 common answers are. 16:25 And I should also tell you, in fairness, that I have 16:29 preached in and worshipped with Christians 16:35 in Baptist churches, Methodist churches, 16:38 I taught Methodist Sunday school, 16:39 Church of Christ, Pentecostal, Nazarene, Foursquare, 16:44 and I could keep on going, all over the country. 16:47 So I have a pretty good feel about what the beliefs are 16:51 and what the answers are to some of these biblical conundrums. 16:55 So for question number one, we're actually going to let 16:57 Pastor Barney start first. 16:59 Do we need to keep the Ten Commandments? 17:02 Alright, here's a scripture we're going to consider. 17:06 That silhouette is strangely familiar. 17:10 Romans chapter 6 verse 14. 17:13 And I'm going to be going through a lot of 17:15 scriptures very quickly. 17:16 You may not see all of them on the screen. 17:18 Hopefully you'll see at least a reference on the 17:20 bottom of your screen. 17:22 "For sin shall not have dominion over you, 17:25 for you are not under the law but under grace." 17:28 There you have it, Pastor Doug. 17:29 You're not under the law. 17:31 You don't have to keep the Ten Commandments anymore. 17:33 We are now under grace. 17:35 As opposed to being under the law, the Ten commandments. 17:38 So when you start teaching about the Ten Commandments, 17:40 you're being legalistic. 17:43 Another verse often used, Galatians 3 verse 13. 17:48 "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law." 17:51 The law is a curse. 17:53 We've been saved from that curse. 17:54 So why would we want to go back and be under that curse anymore. 17:59 Alright, Pastor Barney. 18:00 Please allow me to deal with that now. 18:03 Before we figure out what the Lord has saved us from, 18:05 we need to know what is sin. 18:08 Romans chapter 6 verse 23. 18:11 "Sin is the transgression..." 18:13 No, I read you... 18:14 "The wages of sin..." 18:15 Sorry, I was jumping to another verse. 18:19 "The wages of sin is death." 18:22 So the curse that the Lord has delivered us from 18:25 is the curse of death. 18:27 When it says that you're not under the law 18:29 but you're under grace, it means you are not longer 18:31 under the penalty of the law. 18:34 But because you're not under the penalty of the law, 18:36 does that mean you don't need to obey the law anymore? 18:41 The definition for sin is, it's the transgression of the law. 18:44 That's 1 John 3 verse 4. 18:46 And so, if sin is the transgression of God's law, 18:50 if there's no sin, well you don't need a Savior. 18:54 If there's no law, there's sin. 18:56 No sin, you don't need a Savior. 18:57 You can understand why the devil would like that doctrine 18:59 or that misinterpretation of things. 19:03 Not under the law. 19:04 Suppose for a moment that a policeman enters a 19:09 convenient store in some major city and he spots a man 19:13 that is stealing, he's walking out the door and he is stealing 19:18 three loaves of bread for his hungry children 19:20 and maybe one Twinkie for himself. 19:22 And before he gets out the door, the policeman grabs that man by 19:25 the collar and he handcuffs him and he starts to write him up. 19:30 And the man falls down before that policeman 19:33 and says, "Please have mercy on me." 19:36 Now as soon as he has been caught, it's on the 19:38 video cameras in the convenient store. 19:40 He stole the bread, he was heading out the door, 19:42 he wasn't paying, and he looked shady, 19:45 and he stuck them in his backpack. 19:47 And as soon as he's caught, he's under the law. 19:51 He's handcuffed. He is under the law. 19:54 He's guilty. 19:55 He's under the penalty of the law. 19:57 He's going down to the station, he's going to pay a fine, 19:59 he's going to maybe go to jail. 20:01 But he falls down before the policeman and says, 20:04 "Officer, please have mercy. I've got hungry children." 20:09 And so the policeman says, "Alright, I'll tell you 20:11 what we're going to do." 20:13 He walks over to the cashier and he says, 20:14 "How much is the bread?" 20:15 And he says, "I'll pay for the bread." 20:17 And he tells him to put the Twinkie back. 20:20 And he says, "I'm going to unlock the handcuffs. 20:24 You're free." 20:26 As soon as the policeman pays his fine, he's free. 20:31 He is now under grace. 20:33 And so as soon and his handcuffs are unlocked, 20:36 he says, "Thank you, officer." 20:38 He unzips his backpack and he goes up the aisles, 20:41 he starts to just shovel things in his backpack. 20:43 Because he's no longer under the law, but he's now under grace. 20:48 Is that a right interpretation? 20:50 So the idea that now we are no longer under the law, 20:53 and so we are free to break the law, 20:56 what would the end of that be? 20:58 I don't think that follows the Bible. 21:00 James chapter 2 verse 10. 21:03 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend 21:07 in one point, he is guilty of all. 21:10 For he that said, 'Do not commit adultery,' 21:12 said also, 'Do not kill.' 21:13 If you don't commit adultery, yet if you kill..." 21:16 Now where do you find, "Don't commit adultery," 21:18 and "Don't kill?" 21:19 Does everyone here need me to read the Ten Commandments? 21:21 Or do we know that those are two of the Ten Commandments? 21:25 This is New Testament. 21:27 "Whoever said, 'Do not commit adultery,' 21:29 said also, 'Do not kill.'" 21:42 It says we're not only to speak it, we're to do it. 21:45 And then, you know, one of my favorite verses 21:47 Is Deuteronomy 5:29. 21:49 And this is the Lord speaking, this isn't Moses. 22:05 God is saying, "Oh that they would fear Me 22:08 and keep all of My commandments always for them." 22:12 Because, whenever we sin and break God's law, it hurts us. 22:18 Pastor Doug, that was from the Old Testament. 22:20 It doesn't count. 22:22 Okay, well what's your next argument, Pastor Barney? 22:27 Now we're going to deal with not being under the law because 22:30 you've got a variation between the letter of the law 22:34 and the spirit of the law. 22:36 Alright, Romans chapter 7 verse 6. 22:50 Ten Commandments; it's the letter of the law. 22:53 2 Corinthians 3:6 23:00 Not the old covenant anymore. 23:02 The Ten Commandments is the old covenant. 23:12 And if you read verse 7, if you're questioning 23:14 what that letter is he's talking about, 23:16 he says, "written and engraved in stone." 23:20 Now how can you escape that, Pastor Doug? 23:23 It says we're not under the letter, we're under the spirit. 23:27 The letter is the part of the law that was written 23:30 and engraved in stone. 23:32 How many laws were engraved in stone? 23:34 It's the Ten Commandments. 23:36 It says, we're not under the law and we're not to 23:38 go by the letter anymore, we're to go by the spirit. 23:41 So obviously, we don't need to be controlled by that which 23:44 was engraved in stone. 23:47 Okay Pastor Barney, let's address that. 23:50 There is never a conflict between the letter 23:54 and the spirit. 23:56 In other words, if you are keeping the spirit of the law, 23:59 you will always be keeping the letter of the law. 24:01 But it is possible for someone to try to keep the letter 24:05 and not have the spirit. 24:06 And that's what Jesus and Paul are talking about. 24:09 An example would be, if you look in your Bibles at 24:12 Matthew 5:27, Jesus said, and this will be including verse 28: 24:22 Now where does that come from? 24:24 One of the Ten Commandments, the seventh commandment. 24:35 Now the letter of the law says, "Don't commit adultery." 24:40 The spirit of the law says, "It's not just an action, 24:43 it's also an attitude." 24:45 And by the way, it works both ways. 24:46 It's not just men looking at women. 24:48 It's women looking at men. 24:49 It's talking about an attitude. 24:52 Jesus also said, "You've heard it said by them of old 24:56 that you shall not swear falsely." 24:59 And He said, "But I tell you, let your yes be yes 25:01 and your no be no." 25:03 The letter of the law says, "Don't bear false witness." 25:05 But He said, let even your intentions of your 25:08 heart be honest. 25:11 The letter of the law says, "You will not kill." 25:14 The spirit of the law, Jesus said is, if you are angry with 25:16 your brother without cause, you're guilty of murder. 25:19 And so Christ is simply saying, and Paul is saying, 25:22 don't be governed by the letter of the action 25:26 and forget about the attitude; the spirit of the law. 25:30 We should be keeping both the letter and the spirit. 25:33 Now it is possible for a person to say, "You're keeping the 25:38 letter of the law, you're legalistic, 25:40 and you're not keeping the spirit." 25:41 Because some people are consumed with the 25:43 outward appearance of obedience. 25:45 This is what Jesus was condemning among the Pharisees. 25:48 It was all the external appearance. 25:50 But He said, it's not in your heart. 25:52 But it is not possible for a person to keep the spirit 25:55 and break the letter. 25:58 Think about how silly this would sound. 26:00 If a person said, "I am going to keep the spirit of the law 26:04 of not looking at the opposite sex and lusting. 26:07 I may commit adultery, but I won't be 26:10 thinking it in my heart." 26:13 Is that possible? 26:14 Or for a person to say, "I will keep the spirit of the law 26:17 and not be angry with my brother without a cause. 26:20 I might murder him, but I'll love him in my heart 26:22 while I'm doing it." 26:24 So the Bible is talking about a consistency between 26:28 keeping the letter and the spirit. 26:31 It's not just the action. 26:32 God wants us to do it from the heart. 26:35 And so, keeping the spirit does not abolish the letter. 26:38 The letter is kindergarten. 26:39 The spirit is college. 26:42 So we're to have the whole thing. 26:44 Alright, another common... 26:47 I've got to make sure I'm on the right side 26:49 of these doctrines here. 26:51 Pastor Doug, the Ten Commandments 26:54 are the old covenant. 26:57 And I think that all of us agree here that we are now 26:59 under the new covenant. 27:02 And I want to know how the silhouette can be 27:04 taller than me. 27:07 Proof for that is Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 13. 27:22 Is there any question then? 27:24 I mean, who can deny that the Ten Commandments 27:27 are the old covenant. 27:28 That's what He wrote with His own finger in stone. 27:32 And it says that we're not under the old covenant now. 27:36 Everybody believes, even Seventh-day Adventists, 27:38 I understand, believe that we're under the new covenant now. 27:42 So why are you trying to put people back under the 27:44 old covenant again? 27:46 Hebrews 8... 27:47 This gets serious. 27:49 If you just read things by themselves, it can be confusing. 27:52 That's what I'm going to do as Pastor Barney. 27:58 "For if the first covenant had been faultless, then there 28:02 would be no place sought for the second." 28:05 Hebrews 8 verse 13. 28:16 There you've got it, friends. 28:18 Take it from Pastor Barney. 28:20 I just read it to you out of the New Testament 28:22 that the old covenant is the Ten Commandments. 28:24 It is obsolete, prepared to vanish away, and faulty. 28:31 It said all that. 28:32 Now how are you going to deal with that? 28:33 Ah-ha. Okay. 28:37 Let's keep reading. 28:38 Now Pastor Barney, you need to read everything that it 28:41 says here about that verse there in Hebrews. 28:44 First, I want you to know in Romans 7:12. 28:49 How can the Ten Commandments be passed away when Paul, 28:52 New Testament, says that "the law is holy, 28:57 the commandment is holy and just and good." 29:00 In fact, everything you're going to find that the Bibles says 29:03 in describing the Ten Commandments 29:04 are the very same characteristics of God Himself. 29:09 You name a characteristic of God, especially if you read 29:12 Psalm 119, it describes His law with the same 29:15 characteristics as Himself. 29:17 So to abolish the Ten Commandment law 29:21 and say that it's faded away, you're going to end up 29:23 starting to get rid of God and erase Him, Himself. 29:27 You can also see here where it says in Romans 9 verse 4, 29:31 "Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, 29:35 and glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law..." 29:40 Wait a second here. 29:42 You mean the covenants are separate 29:44 from the giving of the law? 29:46 That's what it says, they're two separate things. 29:47 "The covenants, and the giving of the law." 29:49 Well I thought the Ten Commandments 29:51 were the old covenant. 29:52 Here's where people get confused. 29:53 A covenant is an agreement. 29:57 The subject of the agreement may not change. 30:00 For instance, if you and I sign a contract that you're going to 30:02 buy my house, we make a covenant, we get an agreement. 30:06 You get a copy, I get a copy. We agree to it. 30:09 If you back out of that agreement, 30:11 my house does not evaporate. 30:15 An example would be... 30:18 I was just reading today; Lee Harvey Oswald. 30:21 Do you remember? 30:22 You may not remember, but he's the one who assassinated JKF; 30:26 John F. Kennedy. 30:28 Before that day, I think it was 1959 or 1960, he had become 30:33 disgusted with the US, even though he had been a marine. 30:36 And he decided he wanted to sort of renounce his US citizenship. 30:40 And he went to the USSR and asked to be received 30:43 as a citizen there. 30:45 Which they did. 30:47 And after a while, he got bored and he asked if 30:49 he could come back. 30:50 But when he renounced his citizenship... 30:54 Your citizenship in the US is based on the Constitution. 30:59 When a person renounces their citizenship, the Constitution 31:02 doesn't change. 31:04 Their citizenship and the covenant to uphold the laws 31:08 of the land, you're agreeing to support the Constitution. 31:11 If you say, "I don't want to be an American anymore," 31:14 and you leave the country, the covenant might be broken 31:17 but the Constitution doesn't change. 31:21 And, you know, there's a couple of ways a person 31:23 might become a citizen. 31:26 Some are by birth and others are naturalized by taking a test. 31:30 And it's interesting that... 31:32 I've got a friend who was just voted in as a US citizen. 31:34 He started telling me this stuff that was on his test. 31:36 I realized he knew more about the Constitution than I did. 31:41 Sometimes, people who are converts to Christianity 31:44 know more about the Bible than people who were born into it. 31:47 But that's a different subject maybe for another night. 31:49 Now let me read, with that understanding, let me read in 31:53 Hebrews chapter 8 verse 6. 31:57 Oh, first of all, when God read the Ten Commandments... 32:00 Who knows what chapter that's in when He first gave 32:02 the Ten Commandments? 32:03 Exodus 20. 32:05 You read in Exodus 24, after God spoke the Ten Commandments, 32:09 He then wrote them down. 32:11 Moses brought them a written copy. 32:13 The Bible tells us: 32:25 They made an agreement based on their promises. 32:28 Right? 32:30 Now with that in mind, listen to what Paul 32:31 says again in Hebrews 8. 32:33 The verse that Pastor Barney just read, but he 32:35 left some of it out. 32:37 Verse 6. 32:50 Whose promises? 32:52 God's promises. 33:06 Who broke the covenant, the Ten Commandments or the people? 33:10 And so, what changed was the promises of God. 33:13 The fault was with the ones who made the agreement. 33:17 You can have two people get married 33:19 and they make a covenant. 33:20 And one person can be faithful and say, "I will never 33:23 let go of you." 33:24 But the other one, if they're free, they can 33:27 break that covenant. 33:29 Isn't that right? 33:30 There are two parties involved. 33:32 God said, "I'll never break My covenant. 33:34 The thing I've spoken, I will never change. 33:36 I will keep My promises." 33:38 But our promises aren't so good. 33:40 That's why the new covenant is superior, because it's 33:42 based upon a different sacrifice. 33:45 It's not the sacrifices of lambs and goats and oxen. 33:48 It's based upon the promises of God; better promises 33:51 and a better person, better mediator. 33:55 It's Jesus, it's not a high priest. 33:57 And so, yes, we are living under the new covenant. 33:59 Now maybe it would be a good idea for us to 34:02 read the new covenant. 34:05 You can read here going on in Hebrews chapter 8. 34:10 He says, "Not according..." And this is in verse 9. 34:14 Oh, actually I want to read verse 8. 34:17 "For finding fault with them, He said..." 34:25 Now Pastor Barney, can you show me where in the Bible 34:29 God makes a covenant with Gentiles? 34:34 Hearing no answer, I'll assume there is none. 34:58 "And I will be their God and they will be My people." 35:00 You notice, it's based upon better promises. 35:03 These are the promises of God. 35:05 So the new covenant is what law? 35:10 It's the law of God that is written in the heart. 35:14 Wait a second, Pastor Doug. 35:17 You're trying to put these people under the bondage 35:20 of the Ten Commandments. 35:21 Yet Jesus came and He perfectly kept the commandments 35:24 because He was a Jew. 35:25 He kept it for all of us so we don't need to keep it. 35:28 Christ has fulfilled the law. 35:31 You all have heard that, haven't you? 35:34 Matthew chapter 5 verse 17. 35:39 Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the 35:42 law or the prophets. 35:43 I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." 35:47 Jesus came and fulfilled the law. 35:49 He kept it perfectly. 35:50 Christ said in John chapter 15, "I have kept My 35:54 Father's commandments." 35:55 So we don't need to keep the commandments because 35:57 we keep them through Him. 36:00 We don't need to keep them anymore because 36:01 He kept them for us. 36:03 He fulfilled the law. 36:04 So that, now it has been abolished and now we're 36:07 under the new covenant of the law. 36:09 Luke 16:16 36:11 Here it says, "The law and the prophets were until John." 36:16 Now if the law and the prophets were until John, 36:18 speaking of John the Baptist, then after John the Baptist 36:21 we're not under the law anymore. 36:24 Now we're under the new covenant, which is simply 36:27 based upon love. 36:29 And again, Galatians 3:19. 36:31 "What purpose then does the law serve? 36:34 It was added because of transgressions, 36:36 until the Seed should come." 36:38 Who is the Seed that it's talking about there? 36:41 The Seed of the woman from Genesis 3:15. 36:44 Jesus is that Seed. 36:45 So the law served a purpose until the Seed should come. 36:49 Jesus, the Seed, came and He kept the law perfectly, 36:52 He fulfilled it. 36:54 We don't need to keep the law anymore. 36:55 It has been fulfilled in Jesus. 36:59 I wish I had a quarter for every time I heard that. 37:02 Sorry, I should have changed sides when I said that. 37:10 And again Jesus said, "I have kept My Fathers commandments." 37:13 Now... 37:17 It's tough being bipolar. 37:19 I'm sorry. 37:21 It's easier for me than some people. 37:25 Alright, Pastor Barney, you didn't read the first part of 37:27 John chapter 15 verse 10. 37:29 Jesus said, "If you keep My commandments, you will 37:33 abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments 37:38 and abide in His love." 37:39 So how does Jesus want us to keep the commandments? 37:43 He said, "You keep the commandments as I have 37:47 kept the commandments." 37:48 Yes, Jesus did fulfill the law. 37:50 What does the word "fulfill" mean? 37:53 It means, to fill full. 37:55 Jesus, in His life, He filled it full. 37:57 The Bible prophesied in Isaiah that the Messiah would come, 38:00 He would magnify the law and make it honorable. 38:05 Yes, I would have to agree with you, Pastor Barney. 38:08 There has only been one person who has perfectly kept the law. 38:13 And that would be Jesus. 38:14 But after we are born again and we become new creatures, 38:18 He tells us that, "I want you to keep My commandments 38:21 as I kept the Father's commandments." 38:25 Pastor Doug, I've got to disagree with that. 38:28 He had different commandments. 38:30 He was talking about keeping the Father's commandments. 38:32 Yes, Jesus kept the ten. 38:33 But He said, "You keep My commandments." 38:35 Jesus had different commandments from the Father. 38:38 Pastor Barney, who wrote the Ten Commandments? 38:45 God did. 38:48 Who is Jesus? 38:51 He's God. 38:54 So who was up there on the mountain writing the 38:56 Ten Commandments? 38:58 Well that was God the Father. 39:01 Oh, I respectfully disagree. 39:04 The Bible says, "All things that were made were made by Him," 39:08 speaking of Jesus. 39:10 And that would include however He welded the Ten Commandments 39:13 out of that rock and burned the words in with His finger. 39:17 All things that were made were made by Him. 39:20 The law of Jesus is not different from the 39:23 Ten Commandments, because it was Jesus with the Father 39:26 delivering the law there on top of Mount Sinai. 39:35 No answer to that one. 39:38 Jesus' commandments are the Ten Commandments. 39:43 He never told us we could break the Ten commandments. 39:45 So what does it mean to fulfill the Ten Commandments? 39:48 You know, when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist... 39:50 You have to understand the word "fulfill". 39:52 Let the Bible explain itself. 39:56 You can read where He came down to the water 39:58 in Matthew chapter 3 verse 15. 40:00 John the Baptist recognized He was the Messiah, and 40:03 he said, "Wait a second here, You are the holy One of Israel. 40:08 You want me to baptize You? 40:10 Baptism is a symbol for washing away from sin. 40:13 You are sinless. 40:14 Why would I be baptizing You? 40:16 You need to baptize me." 40:19 And you remember what Jesus' answer was. 40:22 He said, "Suffer," or "allow it to be so now..." 40:31 Does "fulfill all righteousness" mean, do away with 40:36 all righteousness? 40:37 If the word "fulfill" means, do away with... 40:40 And the way some people interpret it is, 40:42 Christ came to fulfill the law, and they think that means 40:45 Christ came to do away with the law. 40:48 But listen to what Jesus says in Matthew chapter 5 40:51 verses 18 and 19. 41:04 You've got to keep reading. 41:10 And keep in mind He had just been mentioning 41:12 the Ten Commandments in the sermon on the mount. 41:16 "One of these least" means, as you look through the 41:18 Ten Commandments, you can figure to yourself 41:20 whichever one you think is the least important. 41:24 Jesus said, "Whoever shall break the least 41:27 and teach others to break the least, he will be called 41:31 the least in the kingdom of heaven." 41:33 Now this is often misunderstood. 41:34 It doesn't mean he'll be in the kingdom but he's just 41:37 going to have a lower rank. 41:38 It means, the people in the kingdom call that person 41:42 the lowest individual. 41:44 They're not in the kingdom. 41:45 But the people in the kingdom call them, the lowest. 41:48 Whoever will teach others to break the Ten Commandments, 41:52 and by their example break the Ten Commandments... 41:55 What is sin? 41:57 Sin is the transgression of God's law. 41:59 And that's why it is a very serious matter 42:02 for pastors to be teaching people they don't need to 42:05 keep the Ten Commandments. 42:08 That's a serious, that's a frightening thing. 42:10 Jesus came to save us from our law breaking. 42:14 Let me take a little detour here. 42:16 I apologize to the studio. 42:18 This is not going to be on the screen, at least not right away. 42:21 If you look in 2 Peter chapter 3... 42:26 I'm using a new Bible for this presentation, 42:28 so the pages turn a little different. 42:32 2 Peter chapter 3 and you can start in verse 15. 42:41 Just make a note of this. 42:43 "And consider that the longsuffering of our Lord 42:46 is salvation, as also our beloved brother Paul, 42:49 according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 42:52 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them..." 42:56 Now Peter is talking about the epistles of Paul. 42:58 "...speaking in them of these things, in which are some 43:03 things hard to understand..." 43:05 In Paul's letters, epistles, are some things hard to understand. 43:09 "...which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their 43:14 own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures. 43:18 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, 43:20 beware lest you also fall from your steadfastness, 43:23 being led away with the error of the wicked." 43:25 And the work "wicked" there can also be translated "lawless". 43:30 What that means very simply is, you look, make a note; 43:33 virtually every time any pastor tries to say that you don't 43:39 need to keep the Ten Commandments when you're 43:40 a born again New Testament Christian, they'll turn to the 43:43 letters of Paul that Peter says some people twist. 43:46 Because Paul said some difficult things because he was 43:49 dealing with legalistic Jews. 43:52 It's real easy to understand James. 43:54 But Paul was pretty deep at times. 43:57 But it's also Paul who said, Romans chapter 6, 44:01 "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 44:04 God forbid, certainly not." 44:07 So Paul was clear enough. 44:09 But you've got to read all of it together, because a person can 44:12 hand pick things out of the writings of Paul 44:14 and be led to believe that it's no longer important 44:17 for us to keep the Ten Commandments. 44:20 I know I'm not giving you equal time. 44:21 I'm sorry, but just bear with me here. 44:26 Maybe I will give you some more time here. 44:29 Oh yea, let me read Ephesians 3:19. 44:31 "For you know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; 44:34 that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." 44:38 We were talking a moment ago about what it 44:40 means to fulfill the law. 44:42 The Bible tells us that He wants us to be full of Christ. 44:45 So if Jesus in His life fulfilled the law, and if you 44:49 are filled with Christ, then will we in our lives 44:53 be more obedient to God? 44:56 What's the difference between Christians 44:58 and the people of the world? 44:59 It's not like that bumper sticker that says, 45:01 "We are just forgiven." 45:04 A lot of the problems people struggle with are sin problems. 45:07 And we need God to give us victory over our sins. 45:11 Christians need to be hearing today that we can be 45:14 new creatures, that we can obey. 45:18 Pastor Doug, I believe in obedience also. 45:21 But you've got to make sure that we're talking about 45:23 obeying the right commandments. 45:25 Jesus gave us a new commandment. 45:28 Let me read that for you. John 13 verse 34. 45:32 It's very simple, there are only two commandments 45:34 now for the Christian. 45:36 We're led by the Spirit. 45:38 He said, "A new commandment I give to you, that you 45:42 love one another; as I have loved you, 45:44 that you also love one another." 45:47 So the Ten Commandments are replaced with a supreme 45:50 commandment of God in you; just love. 45:53 Don't walk around worrying about the letter 45:55 and the details of the law. 45:56 Just love each other. 45:59 Matthew 22 verse 37, Jesus said: 46:17 The Ten Commandments have been hung, just like some ole cowboy 46:23 that was rustling horses or something. 46:25 It's hung. 46:26 All of that was hung on two commandments now; 46:29 love the Lord and love your neighbor. 46:33 Pastor Barney, that's not what it means when it says, 46:37 "on these two commandments hang the law and the prophet." 46:39 The word "hang" there means, like you take a Mona Lisa 46:43 in your house and you put a nail in the wall, 46:45 and you hang it up in a position of respect and visibility. 46:51 So the idea that the Ten Commandments have been 46:53 strangled by the love for God and love for your fellow man 46:57 is actually the opposite. 47:00 Those two great commandments are a summary of the 47:04 Ten Commandments. 47:06 Paul, of all people, makes that clear. 47:08 Romans chapter 13 verse 9, Paul said: 47:25 What is Paul quoting from there? 47:27 It's the Ten Commandments. 47:28 "...and if there be any other..." 47:30 Just to have space because, you know, the second commandment, 47:33 you write it all out, and the fourth commandment, 47:34 they're the two longest. 47:35 So Paul, you know, back then with leather scrolls 47:38 and ink pens, he's just trying to be concise. 47:41 He's quoting the Ten Commandments. 47:43 And he said, "... and if there is any other commandment, 47:45 it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, 47:50 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.'" 47:53 In other words, when Jesus said, "Love the Lord 47:56 with all your heart," and, "love your neighbor," 47:58 you can summarize all of the Ten Commandments 48:01 into those two commandments. 48:04 It doesn't mean that there's some difference there. 48:07 They're the same. 48:08 Jesus just summarized it, made it clear. 48:11 Mark chapter 10 verse 19. 48:14 A rich young ruler came to Jesus, and He said: 48:28 You remember, he came to Jesus and he said, "Good Master, 48:30 what good thing shall I do that I might have eternal life?" 48:33 What was it that Christ said to him? 48:35 "You know the commandments." 48:37 And he said, "Which?" 48:39 And Jesus began to recite the Ten Commandments. 48:42 Now I should probably make something clear at this point. 48:44 There are like 300 commandments, someone has calculated, 48:48 in the Old Testament that the Jews had. 48:51 It depends on which rabbi you're talking to. 48:53 There are a lot of commandments that had to do with 48:55 Levitical regulations and with sacrifices and with circumcision 48:59 and with the temple and its ceremonies. 49:02 And there were civil laws and there were health laws 49:05 and there were social laws. 49:07 All kinds of different laws. 49:08 But those laws are different and distinct from the 49:12 Ten Commandments. 49:13 Not because I say so, but God said so. 49:17 When God gave the Ten Commandments, 49:19 did He do something unique and different than He had ever done 49:22 at any other time? 49:24 Did He ask Moses to do it, or did God say, 49:27 "I am not even trusting this to a mortal. 49:29 I'm getting My microphone and I am going to speak audibly 49:32 to the entire nation. 49:34 They're going to hear My voice. 49:36 And I'm going to take My finger and I'm going to write it 49:38 down with My own paper and My own..." 49:41 Well it was a rock, stone. 49:43 "...and with My own finger, so there is never any confusion." 49:48 And when God does something like that, you can 49:50 count on it being eternal. 49:52 The Ten Commandments, God set apart and made 49:55 unique and distinct. 49:56 And by the way, Pastor Barney, virtually every evangelical 50:02 and Christian preacher from the time of Christ 50:05 through the reformation believed what I'm saying right now 50:08 until the last 120 years. 50:11 As a matter of fact, Seventh-day Adventists 50:12 have been the means of some churches changing their position 50:17 because they've been uncomfortable with 50:18 one of the commandments, so they had to get rid of all ten. 50:24 I was doing some research and preparation for this series 50:27 and I just typed in on the internet, 50:30 "Do we need to keep the Ten Commandments?" 50:33 And I began reading some pastor expounding on it. 50:36 It must be popular, it popped up on one of the first pages. 50:39 Talking about how important it is to keep the Ten Commandments. 50:42 And I thought, this is beautiful. 50:43 And then I got to the bottom of the list and it said, 50:45 "Of course, there is an exception with the 50:47 fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath." 50:52 And that's why there has been so much squirming over 50:55 the subject of the law. 50:56 And that's why I thought it was important during this first 50:58 presentation to talk about, how do we deal with the law. 51:04 Now we've all sinned, we've all broken the law. 51:07 And it's only through the grace of Jesus that any of us are 51:10 going to make it into the kingdom. 51:11 But He doesn't save us to disobey. 51:15 He came to save us from our sins, from our lawlessness. 51:20 Well, Pastor Doug, the Ten Commandments are a burden. 51:28 And you are putting a burden on these people. 51:32 Pastor Barney, which commandment is an in particular 51:35 burden to you? 51:41 Well, it's all works oriented. 51:43 You talk about, you know, have to keep the Sabbath. 51:45 It's just works, works, works. 51:48 Pastor Barney, the Sabbath says to rest. 51:50 I'm telling them to rest, you're telling them to work. 51:52 You're the one who's putting them under a burden. 51:55 That was a low blow. 51:58 I want to go back over here and give him a fair shot. 52:02 Now it does say something about that. 52:05 He said, the Ten Commandments, it can seem like a burden. 52:09 Acts chapter 15 verse 10. 52:21 The law is a yoke, it's a burden. 52:23 And we're not to be putting that on the disciples. 52:26 I don't have a problem with that because that was dealing with 52:29 a lot of the ceremonial laws that were a burden. 52:31 But they never gave them permission in the New Testament 52:33 to break the Ten Commandments. 52:36 Stop interrupting. It's my turn. 52:39 Galatians chapter 4 verse 24. 52:41 "...which things are symbolic. 52:43 For these are the two covenants: one is from Mount Sinai 52:47 which gives birth to bondage..." 52:49 Now who can disagree? 52:50 What law was given on Mount Sinai? 52:53 The Ten Commandments. 52:54 Giving birth to, what? To bondage. 52:58 "...which is Hagar." 53:00 So, Pastor Doug, do you believe anybody has 53:03 been able to keep the Ten Commandments perfectly? 53:08 Just one person. 53:11 That's Jesus, right? 53:14 That's right, He's the only one. 53:16 So then, why are you telling people now that they are 53:19 suppose to keep it, since we have all acknowledged that 53:21 nobody is keeping it perfectly? 53:23 I believe that there are some who, through the grace of God, 53:26 were able then to become obedient. 53:30 There are a few that are given, here in the Bible, 53:33 at least an honorable mention. 53:36 You can read, for instance, Genesis chapter 6 verse 9. 53:40 "This is the genealogy of Noah. 53:42 Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. 53:45 Noah walked with God." 53:47 Now I know he had that episode with the vineyard 53:49 and a problem there. 53:50 But the consistent pattern of his life was one of; 53:53 just and obedient, walked with God. 53:56 Genesis 26 verse 5. 54:00 "Because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, 54:05 My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." 54:09 And I was actually surprised you did not bring up that 54:11 objection by saying the Ten Commandments 54:14 began at Mount Sinai and were just for the Jews. 54:17 Okay, I want to use that one. 54:19 I'm saying that. 54:22 Well the problem with that is, Abraham lived before the 54:24 Ten Commandments were given. 54:25 And God says He has laws and commandments long before Moses 54:28 came around and God spoke them from the mountain. 54:32 Job 1:1, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; 54:36 and that man was blameless and upright, and one who 54:40 feared God and shunned evil." 54:42 So whatever that means, however obedient these guys were, 54:45 that's how I want to be. 54:47 Pastor Doug, you notice that you just read all those verses 54:50 from the Old Testament. 54:52 That was the Old Testament people and they were 54:55 trying to be saved by works. 54:56 We're now living in the New Testament time. 54:58 We are saved by grace. 55:00 Well here's one from the New testament. 55:03 You can read it in Luke 1 verse 6, 55:05 speaking of Zacharias and Elizabeth. 55:07 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the 55:11 commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." 55:16 So whatever they did, that's all I'm praying for that God will 55:19 do in me and for me, to give me that experience 55:21 where I can walk before the Lord. 55:24 Pastor Doug, you keep referring to these people that existed 55:26 before Jesus died on the cross. 55:29 Zacharias and Elizabeth were Jews. 55:32 Pastor Barney, you know, I can't understand why you have such a 55:34 problem with there being a different of salvation 55:36 for the Jews than there is for New Testament Christians. 55:41 Do you believe that God has two different kinds of salvation 55:44 or is everybody saved under the new covenant? 55:47 Well, there's two different dispensations. 55:49 You've got the Gentile dispensation and salvation, 55:51 and then you've got the Jewish dispensation and salvation. 55:54 You keep quoting from the Jewish dispensation 55:57 and trying to put that burden on these dear people here. 55:59 We're Gentiles and we're under the new covenant now. 56:04 Alright, Pastor Barney, you plan to go to heaven some day. 56:07 Absolutely, yes I do. 56:09 And I hope I see you there, because I am not going to 56:12 get there without you because we're the same person. 56:16 But here's the problem that you're going to have. 56:20 The New Jerusalem is built on twelve foundations that have 56:23 the names of the twelve Jewish apostles. 56:27 And the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem 56:30 have the names of the twelve tribes. 56:33 Please tell me, where is the Gentile gate? 56:39 Well, one of them might have been a Gentile. 56:44 No, Pastor Barney, all the sons of Israel were Jewish. 56:49 There is no Gentile gate. 56:50 That's why the new covenant is made with people who 56:53 become spiritual Jews. 56:56 And we are all grafted into that olive tree. 56:58 God doesn't have two different kinds of salvation. 57:02 So here's the big question, friends. 57:05 Would we want to willfully sin, or does God want to 57:09 save us from our sins? 57:12 Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." 57:16 We want to ask the question, is it possible for us to be 57:19 new creatures and to be transformed by the grace of God? 57:23 I believe it is, friends. 57:25 And I want to make a special appeal to each one of you. 57:28 Believe that God can give you a new heart, 57:30 that's the new covenant, 57:32 and help you to be, not only a hearer, but a doer of the law. 57:36 Yes, we've all sinned. 57:37 And God sent His Son to save us from our sins 57:40 so that we can be new creatures with new hearts, 57:44 and be transformed by His power. 57:46 And that's our appeal for each one of you. 57:48 We've got a lot more to talk about. 57:49 So we pray you'll continue to tune in for this special series 57:53 dealing with doctrines that divide. 57:55 We'll cover more in our next presentation. |
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