Participants: Ivor Myers, Atonte Myers
Series Code: BOF
Program Code: BOF000016
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00:14 Welcome to Battles Of Faith,
00:16 we're your hosts Ivor and Atonte Myers 00:19 Today we are continuing our discussion about the beast of 00:23 Revelation 11, the French Revolution 00:26 and today we're going to be learning about the philosophy 00:28 of humanism and how it's affecting our Christian world. 00:33 Yes, we've been discussing the Beast of Revelation 11 00:37 We have been discussing various principles like evolution 00:40 and seeing how all this ties in with what our young people 00:44 are facing today 00:45 For those of you who are just turning up program who maybe 00:48 have missed some of the programs before dealing with the French 00:52 Revolution we've been looking at Revelation 11 00:54 and we've been seeing that this beast from Revelation 11 00:58 described as the beast from the bottomless pit or the 01:01 beast from the Abyss rises up on the scene at a particular 01:05 time in earth history 01:06 we have seen that that time was during the French Revolution 01:11 and we noticed a couple of things, Atonte, 01:14 evolution was one of the principles that arose out of 01:19 the French Revolution and really got it's, had it's nucleus in 01:23 the French Revolution from a scientist by the name J.B Lemark 01:27 and that's where Darwin got his theory of evolution from 01:32 and we've seen that any spiritual context that principal 01:38 evolution has word against or is worn rather against 01:43 the two witnesses of Bible prophecy which we again on 01:47 previous programs represent the Old and the New Testament 01:51 and we've seen that that this principle of evolution also 01:55 applies in a spiritual context to the fact that one of the 01:59 teachings of evolution is that as the environment changes 02:03 so do the species. 02:04 They adapt. 02:06 It's called the principle of adaptation 02:07 And in a spiritual context the enemy of souls is manipulating 02:12 our environment, spiritually speaking, through music, through 02:18 entertainment to try to get us to adapt to become like 02:23 the world 02:24 and we plan on evolution, we had on our last program 02:28 we talked about the fact the way that he is doing this 02:32 through sexual perversion manipulating the environment 02:36 through pornography and you find the principle of sexual 02:41 perversion being spread through the music of today 02:44 through commercials, television, various things at that nature 02:47 and today we're going to touch on yet another aspect, 02:52 arising from the French revolution found that a beast 02:56 of lawlessness that has not contribute to society today 03:01 and what many young people are facing today as they are trying 03:06 to be Christians. 03:08 And many people may not be familiar with the term of 03:11 humanism, or they heard it, but they are not really sure what 03:15 that is all about 03:16 Basically humanism is: you don't need a God, 03:21 you have good within yourself - correct? 03:24 That's right! 03:25 We go back to the French revolution and begin to wonder 03:27 how in the world does this principle of humanism 03:31 tie into the French revolution 03:33 We need to realize that the French revolution was all about 03:36 rebellion against God. 03:37 According to the prophecy this beast from the abyss raises up, 03:42 wars against the two witness, the Old and the New Testament 03:46 and the Bible describes this place as Egypt and Sodom. 03:50 Again, one of the principles of Egypt. Egypt was known for 03:54 - biblically speaking - Egypt has become most popularly 03:58 associated with that statement from Pharaoh when he said: 04:02 Who is God, that I should obey Him? 04:05 That's right! 04:06 And we saw this during the French revolution 04:08 that was a rebellion against God against the clergy, 04:11 against the church 04:12 and naturally so because the church of the dark ages 04:15 had so long suppressed the Bible that people had no real 04:20 conception of what the Word of God was... 04:22 Or what It really said... 04:24 The only conception was what they were, what was literally 04:27 practically been shoved down their throats, so to speak 04:30 and so they finally had enough and they were rebelled 04:33 against. They said: we don't want the Bible we don't want God 04:36 and it was from this environment that we come to 04:40 August Compte who is known as the father of the religion 04:45 of humanity, or humanism 04:47 and I'm going to read from American Association 04:51 Humanist Association rather what their description of humanism 04:55 is. want to put a slide on and certainly says this: 05:14 So, basically you don't need God 05:17 That's right! And it says without supernaturalism. 05:19 It's talking about without any believe of something 05:22 supernatural: God, devil It's simply a states that as 05:27 human beings we have the capacity, the capability, the 05:31 ability to live ethical lives, we can be good within ourselves 05:37 and this was the teaching, in other words it was a rejection 05:41 of the Bible principles of what was for years accepted as 05:46 the only ethical only legitimate way to be ethical 05:51 and now rose this teaching out of the abyss 05:54 we should add, that says that humanity was: who is God 06:00 that I should serve Him? 06:01 Well, they are basically calling themselves God 06:04 That's right! 06:05 Because they say: I can be ethical on my own. 06:08 That's right! 06:09 It's a natural thing, so you are a god 06:11 that's right. 06:12 we are going to look at another slide from the humanism magazine 06:15 and we are going to see what the humanist magazine has 06:18 to say on humanism. 06:19 It says: 07:15 Now, that is deep! 07:17 That's right. I mean, here you have the exaltation of culture 07:21 over theology. 07:24 and as if you are thinking, now you begin to say: Oh, 07:28 wait a minute! I hear that in Christian circles. 07:30 This is our culture and this is the way we do things and 07:36 there is a tendency to lift our culture sometimes above 07:38 God's Word. 07:39 the Word of God. It also speaks of humanity taking 07:42 responsibility for it's own destiny. 07:45 That means the power is within yourself. 07:47 That's right. We control our destiny. 07:49 It speaks about, you know, holding culture, holding the 07:57 man himself as the highest standard of truth 08:02 and this is from the humanist magazine 08:03 This lets us know that humanism is really a teaching where 08:10 as man himself becomes God, becomes the decider of what is 08:16 truth and what is not. 08:17 You know we are doing research for this program, and I went to 08:20 a website that supports humanism and there was a story there 08:24 somebody may be thinking, they couldn't really believe that 08:27 but they do. There was a gentleman's story. 08:30 He was in Vietnam and he was in a very combative situation 08:34 where the enemy was shouting and people were dying all 08:36 around him, and he said I wouldn't dare call upon God 08:40 to save me. 08:41 That it was up to myself and my own smart wit and to whatever 08:44 he can do to save himself 08:46 So, I mean they really refuse to believe in a higher Being who is 08:50 more powerful, who can control a situation, but they believe 08:52 that they can do it all within themselves 08:55 Now, what's interesting at that is that during the French 08:57 Revolution and, I mean you can look this up in history books 09:02 talks about this statue that was brought in to one of the 09:07 assembly's during the French Revolution 09:09 it was a woman. They had her veiled, a statue woman and 09:13 they pulled this veil off and said: Behold your new god 09:18 and it was, she was called the goddess of reason 09:21 The goddess of reason and they said: This is our new god. 09:25 And what they were simply saying was that reason had become 09:29 god; their own human reason had become god. 09:31 And so we find that from that French Revolution aspect we're 09:35 where the goddess of reason has now become the ruler 09:39 Each man, let him do what is right in his own eyes. 09:43 Moving on to August Compte, the father of modern humanism, 09:48 we see that this principal God has sprung out from the French 09:58 Revolution, and now it has permit again society 10:02 We talk about the change of the environment. 10:05 the manipulation of the environment. 10:07 and now we're seeing that there are so many people who are 10:10 living by this principle, of doing what is right in their 10:14 own eyes, of worshiping the goddess of reason 10:18 through humanism 10:19 I will decide what is right and wrong not the Word of God for me 10:24 And it's really originated with Satan... 10:26 That's right! 10:27 ...because we have another slide looking at Isaiah 14:12 10:40 Satan was the first one to say I don't need God 10:43 I will, you know, be like the Most High 10:46 That's right! 10:47 I don't need help... 10:48 It goes on to say: [Text on screen] 11:05 When people read that verse, I think often times we hear: 11:09 Satan wanted to be eternal like God, and he wanted to be all 11:13 powerful like God 11:14 but there is another aspect to this which I believe is critical 11:17 to understanding what this verse is saying 11:20 When you think about the Most High, what is He like? 11:24 someone walk up to you in the street and, you know, you're 11:26 asking: hey, what is the Most High like? 11:27 One of the first answers that come out with is: God is love 11:32 God is kindness, God is merciful These are the attributes of God. 11:40 The goodness of God. 11:42 And I believe that what Satan was saying here in Heaven 11:47 was: I can be as good as God. 11:51 I can be holy like God 11:54 without submitting to God. 11:56 In other words he was saying: hey, God I don't need You 12:00 to tell me what is good. I don't need a lot to determine 12:03 what is good, because let's face it Satan grew up and say 12:05 hey, I think I want to become evil! 12:07 Evil was a mystery to him. He didn't know what he was at first 12:12 headed when his rebellion began in his heart, but he was 12:16 attempting to be something that he could not be without God. 12:19 I will be like the Most High. 12:23 He went out and tried to expose this principle 12:28 to all the angels, hey we are free; we don't need a law 12:31 in order to obey God. We don't need a law in order to be holy 12:35 It reminds me the story of Korah. 12:39 When Korah had this rebellion in the time of Moses, he rose up 12:43 and said to Moses: Moses, all the people are holy. 12:46 Why are you exalting yourself over them? 12:48 This was a battle of holiness as it was. 12:51 And Satan was upon the scene Isaiah 14 says the same thing 12:55 I will be like the most High 12:57 You find the same principle with Adam and Eve 13:01 When Satan came to Eve, he said: Listen Eve you really don't need 13:06 God to tell you what is right and wrong; you can be like God 13:10 knowing what? 13:11 good and evil 13:13 and that's the principle of humanism right there 13:17 and so, yes, this principle of humanism: I can be good, I am a 13:20 pretty good person I pay my taxes 13:22 I don't have God in my life, but I'm good. 13:24 Right. 13:26 You see, that's that principle and it originated from Satan 13:29 himself and now it is spreading throughout our society 13:32 Now, you may be wondering what does this have to do with 13:35 the entertainment industry and how is it affecting our 13:37 young people. 13:39 Well, if you pay close attention to I would say 99% of the movies 13:44 and television programs out there, 13:46 this whole humanism philosophy is portrayed through these 13:51 programs and through TV. 13:52 That's right! 13:53 I'll give an example. As a child as a young teenager we loved 13:56 the Cosby show. 13:57 And looking at the Cosby show you would think: it was a good 14:00 program; it was a family, they had family values, they 14:04 laughed, they joked and they always solved their problems 14:06 at the end of the program, but the problem with that is 14:09 there was never God mentioned He was not the center of 14:12 the family unit and they never talked about Him, 14:15 and so makes you think: oh, you can have a happy family, solve 14:18 your problems without God... 14:20 That's right! 14:21 The same thing with the movies. 14:22 We were flying to Hawaii recently to hold some meetings 14:26 and, you know, you can be flying on a plane without the sound 14:29 you don't have to have the audio to know what is going on in 14:33 a movie 14:34 and they have a big, gigantic screen before your feet... 14:35 That's right! 14:37 So, basically the movie was talking about two people who 14:42 got married and they both had their different sets of children 14:45 They had a large number of children, they got married and 14:47 at first the family couldn't get along, the children didn't 14:50 like each other, and then by the end of the movie, everybody 14:52 was happy and was no God involved. 14:54 They solved the problems on their own. 14:56 So the philosophy or the teachings or the spirit of 14:59 humanism flows through the media and then we constantly 15:04 are watching these things, by beholding we become changed 15:07 Yeah, as I was sitting on that airplane and every now and then 15:11 I glanced up, so we were not watching the movie, 15:13 but every now and then I glanced up and I could follow what was 15:16 going on and, you know, by the half we do this I began to say 15:21 to myself, you know, this is humanism 15:25 this is teaching in a very subtle way that there is 15:30 happiness to be found, we can solve our problems ethically 15:34 without the least mention of God 15:36 you know, how many movies are there? 15:39 you know, you think, oh, good family movie, or you know, 15:42 nice pass time, but even without with the absence of cursing and 15:47 the principle of humanism seeps through in a very insidious way 15:55 and you begin to think, you know these people are all solving 15:59 their problems, the music, these people are finding love true 16:02 love, oh listen to this song, this girls is singing about 16:05 how much she is in love and what a perfect relationship 16:09 they have and you begin to think well, here I am trying to serve 16:12 God, and I'm, you know, maybe struggling or not, but these 16:16 people don't have God, and everything seems to be going so 16:20 good for them. 16:21 They are finding love, which we know is not the case, 16:23 look what you see in Hollywood 16:24 And I'm not saying it is impossible, you know to God 16:28 leads people in steps even when they don't know Him 16:31 but generally speaking, when we live in a society which says 16:36 Hey, you don't need the love of God, or God to be good, 16:39 to be ethical, to be right. That is the principle of humanism 16:44 manipulating the environment so that it just becomes 16:47 a natural thing. Oh, you know, who needs God? 16:49 That's right. And our young people, they watch this 16:51 and eventually they say, you know what, Mom and Dad, 16:54 I don't feel like I need to go to church to be good. 16:57 I think I can be a good person, I'm just going out there 17:00 and live my life and I really don't need God 17:02 And you see more and more of that happening and you know 17:05 parents and older people who are at the church are kind of 17:08 throwing their hands up in the air 17:09 Like what would we do with our young people? 17:11 But again Satan is using the tool of the media to reach 17:15 their hearts and to change the environment 17:17 that's right! 17:18 The purpose of humanism is to attempt to make a person feel 17:23 good about themselves without obedience to God 17:29 And while the Christian definitely says you know no way 17:34 humanism: we are not to follow that 17:37 I believe that the devil being so tricky as he is has even 17:42 mastered what I'd like to call Christian humanism 17:46 when they not depend upon the goddess of reason, that statue 17:52 that were depending upon back in the French revolution 17:55 but we have a god of reason of our own and we begin to use 18:00 reason over the Word of God 18:02 Well, I like this kind of music 18:03 so I'm just going to listen to it 18:05 Right... 18:06 what's the matter with it? And instead of going to the Bible 18:08 I like this kind of you know, entertainment 18:10 instead of going to the Bible we are now using 18:13 you find people using reason over the two witnesses 18:18 The Old and the New Testament 18:19 to get the truth of whatever the situation is they may be 18:25 asking about 18:27 And the bottom line again is that Satan's whole point is 18:31 to get us out of the Word of God 18:33 not desire it so we will not know what His will is 18:36 for our lives and he knows that Jesus is coming soon and 18:40 he doesn't want us to be ready 18:41 Yeah, you know, one of the other principles I think about 18:44 just looking at what humanism does making us feel good without 18:51 or making us feel holy as it were without submission to God 18:56 I'll tell you what I was thinking about some of the 18:57 Christian styles of music that is out there now 19:01 Christian rock and Christian rap 19:03 One of the things that Christian rock and rap does among many 19:07 other things is that it helps us to feel holy 19:12 helps; let me rephrase that 19:14 it helps the people who listen to it to feel good without 19:19 necessarily submitting to law to order, that kind of thing 19:26 a lot of young people who listen to Christian rock 19:28 end up saying I don't care what the church says, I'm going to 19:31 do my own thing, but at the same time, while expressing 19:35 this rebellious spirit towards the church of God, 19:39 it is at a same time, hey, you know what? I am holy because 19:42 this music makes me feel good this music makes me feel 19:46 all right and therefore you have this principle of humanism: 19:50 I can be good without following all these laws that the church 19:56 has laid down 19:58 No, it's not the church that laid them down; 19:59 it's the Word of God 20:00 But that spirit of humanism says I'm going to do what I want 20:04 to do. I'm going to do what is right in my own eyes 20:06 and the Bible actually says there is a way which seems right 20:10 unto a man, but the end thereof 20:13 the ways are the ways of death 20:16 That's right! And this didn't just begin recently 20:20 There is also a gentleman who spoke up around French 20:24 revolution time. His last name is Voltaire. 20:27 And Voltaire was famous in his day for his skepticism 20:35 towards the Bible 20:37 And he used drama to get his point caught. 20:39 That's right! Voltaire was a dramatist and is just amazing 20:42 as we look at how much has come out. Let me just say this: 20:45 there is nothing against French people, you know 20:50 we're talking a lot about the French revolution, 20:52 but we talking about a spirit not a group of people 20:55 and through this French revolution, you got evolution 20:58 popping upon the scene, you got pornography, popping up 21:03 on the scene, you've got humanism popping up 21:07 on the scene, and now you have the use of drama as a tool 21:11 against the Bible and against Christianity now popping up 21:16 on the scene. 21:17 It had never been used in that way before and now here it is 21:20 this man Voltaire raises on the scene and effectively begins to 21:24 use the stage as his stage to war against Christianity. 21:29 Now you can look, I know they have a movie coming out 21:32 we don't need to mention the name of the movie, but it's 21:35 something about Jesus having an affair with Mary 21:39 and that rumor has been around but we see movies, the media 21:43 attacking every, you know, pick up a newspaper, you read 21:47 the popular magazines of the day news magazines of the day and 21:53 they are all, they are being used to attack and to criticize 21:58 the Word of God 21:59 but none so effectively as Hollywood, as the media, as the 22:03 theatre of today. 22:05 That's right, and we need God and we will never be what God 22:10 wants us to be without Him and so we can buy into this lie 22:15 into this philosophy and would really be self consciously, for 22:18 a Christian. 22:19 A Christian will never think that they would just openly say 22:22 Yes, I can do this on my own but subconsciously again, as they 22:25 are holding and taking these things in is changing their mind 22:29 and they are doing these things as Satan will have them to do 22:32 That's right! 22:33 Philippians 2:5-10 tells us Let this mind be in you, 22:39 which was also in Christ Jesus: I believe that is a very 22:44 important verse in light of what we were talking about 22:47 because the mind of Christ was a mind that was submitted to 22:50 His Father 22:51 It was a mind that was submitted to truth 22:54 Submitted to the Word of God. 22:56 And this is the mind that we're being called to have dwelling 23:01 within us 23:02 Let this mind be in you. 23:03 The devil proposes another mind It's the mind of humanism 23:06 It's really his mind 23:08 When he said in the beginning I can be holy, I can be like God 23:12 I can be just as right, pure and that's why, you know 23:17 understand that's why 1/3 of the angels were deceived 23:21 Not because the devil said: Hey, guys I want to be evil 23:23 who wants to follow me? No, he came to them saying: listen, 23:27 we don't need to follow God in order to be holy 23:32 This is why 1/3 of holy angels were deceived by his argument 23:37 While he comes with this same thing today: look you don't need 23:40 God to be right. You can overcome this by yourself 23:44 you don't need God to determine what is right and what is wrong 23:47 you can be your own God 23:49 and that's what humanism proposes 23:51 So we've got the mind of Christ and we've got the mind of Satan 23:54 which says: hey, you can be good all by yourself 23:58 and the Bible invites us to reject that mind, reject that 24:01 thinking. 24:02 How do we get that mind? 24:03 As the devil manipulates the environment, as he manipulates 24:10 it through the music which reach the humanism and 24:13 the movies which reach the humanism, all of a sudden 24:16 we begin to subconsciously be affected by the environment 24:21 that we are in, and we begin to think those humanistic thoughts 24:26 and then even bring it into the church 24:29 I'm, you know, I'm a Christian but I'm going to do what 24:33 I want to do 24:35 I'm going to live how I want to live 24:36 And that is a danger that is facing God's people today, which 24:39 why God again invites: Let this mind be in you 24:42 which is also in Christ Jesus 24:44 And it's our prayer and our hope that you're beginning to see 24:47 that really is a battle 24:49 Satan has laid some pretty thick plans down and there is a lot 24:55 to them there, but God still is more powerful to give us 24:58 the victory over these things, but really is a battle 25:00 we cannot just take things for granted anymore 25:03 Oh, I'll just watch this, or Oh, I'll just listen to this 25:05 It doesn't have any effect on me It does. 25:07 He planted these seeds over 100 years ago and they're coming to 25:10 mature now. 25:11 That's right 25:12 He is very patient... 25:13 It is organized confusion 25:15 the word of beast simply meaning without order, without law 25:19 it's confusion, but it's organized confusion 25:22 that's sprout out from the French Revolution 25:25 again we think about the quote we'll put it up here again 25:29 from Education, page 228 It says here: 25:44 We talking here about the world wide dissemination 25:48 in other words the French revolution did not end with the 25:51 French revolution and many study this prophecy from Revelation11 25:55 and say that's the French revolution, that's in the past 25:58 now, that's why we've being calling it the forgotten beast 26:01 because this, the principles that led to that revolution 26:04 it was like an experiment and now the devil says: oh! 26:08 the experiment was successful now it's time to 26:11 push it out to everybody 26:13 that's right. Now it's time to try out the real thing 26:16 to try out on a world wide scale 26:18 and imperceptibly our world is being changed by these 26:23 principles that sprung out of the French revolution 26:25 and we see it all combined in science, in the arts in we call 26:31 humanities 26:32 you know, through our educational system, and again 26:36 it is organized. It's not confusion only, it is 26:39 organized confusion 26:41 It is a plot, and God is trying to reveal this plot to His 26:44 people and say: listen, let this mind be in you 26:48 which was in Christ Jesus 26:50 Don't fall for the evolutionistic things that are 26:53 happening around you, stand firm on the rock Jesus Christ 26:57 He is doing this to keep us away from the two witnesses 27:01 That's right! 27:02 That's the whole point of the beast that arises from the 27:05 bottomless pit. It's just to keep you out of the Word 27:07 and you know, people wonder what's happening to our young 27:11 people? 27:12 Why aren't they here in church? 27:13 Why are they so into worldliness? 27:15 He has attacked them on all sides and 27:17 every angle that he possibly can 27:19 Many of them are suffering from evolution, 27:22 because he is manipulating the environment around them and 27:25 they are changing, they are adapting to it without even 27:27 realizing 27:28 and we believe that, you know, giving you some of these answers 27:32 to what's going on, will help you better to understand 27:34 and help the young people and all adults alike to be able to 27:38 serve God, to be in His Word and to follow Him 27:41 That's right. It is important we just want to make an appeal 27:44 again as you have listen to these previous programs and 27:47 seen how much has come from this revolution, remember that 27:51 we serve a God that is greater than the enemy and that God 27:55 is simply revealing to us so that we can better understand 27:58 Lord, what do you want me to do? 28:00 That's right! Well we're all out of time 28:02 until next time God bless! |
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