Participants: David Shin and Steve Wolhberg
Series Code: BOF
Program Code: BOF000041
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00:15 I like to welcome you to Battles of Faith,
00:17 my name is David Shin and I'm here with 00:18 Steve Wohlberg who is the speaker and director 00:20 of While Horse Media based in Fresno, California. 00:22 He is the author of several books 00:24 and has done extensive research on this topic of 00:26 the Supernatural from a Biblical perspective and 00:29 it has been quite a journey hasn't it through 00:31 the series of thirteen. Yes, it has been a great 00:33 thing with you. Yes and its been. 00:35 Program to program. Yeah, so it's quite 00:37 educational as I have learned some things 00:40 about the pillars of the other side in the 00:42 Supernatural and I understand that we're 00:44 going to New York today by web introduction to 00:46 set the stage for what we're gonna be talking 00:48 about today. That's exactly right. 00:50 This is a series we've given the title of the 00:53 series Magic Ghosts and the Bible and today we're 00:57 going to really on the ghosts and a historic day 01:00 in history which was March 31, 1848 back in 01:04 New York when what is called spiritualism was 01:08 given its birth. It was a birthday of modern 01:11 spirituals and I like to put up on the screen here 01:14 a marker that is actually the date where people 01:16 can go see it. And there it says, I'll read it. 01:19 The birthplace of modern spiritualism by the 01:22 spiritualists of the world, it was erected on 01:25 December 4, 1927 in commemoration of the 01:28 Advent of modern spiritualism. This is in 01:31 front of the home of Fox Sisters. There it says 01:35 March 31, 1848 and at the bottom there of that 01:38 monument it says " There is no death 01:41 and there are no dead." Now, let me give you a 01:45 little bit of background on that marker. 01:47 It was a very significant historical night. 01:51 March 31, 1848 the famous Hydesville 01:55 cottage was now inhabited by family, 01:57 The Fox Family. They have moved in, there 02:00 were two girls Margaret and Kate and a lot of 02:03 strange things have been happening in that home. 02:05 There was a window rattling, there were loud 02:08 thuds going down the pantry stairs, lot of 02:11 strange noises and bumps in night. Well, that 02:14 particular night, March 31, the two girls these 02:17 sisters, one of them was 10 years old, the other 02:19 one was nine years old and they were in bed and 02:22 there was a loud pounding on the walls 02:25 and they just sprang out of bed and one of the 02:28 girls Kate began to clap her hands and she 02:32 clapped her hands five times and then a knocking 02:36 occurred on the wall five times. And then her sister 02:40 held up five fingers and then there were five 02:44 knockings as well. And then one of the girls 02:46 responded and they said look Mr. Splitfoot that's 02:49 the name that they gave this ghost. 02:52 They said Mr. Splitfoot can both see and hear. 02:55 Can hear how many times we clap and he can 02:58 see how many fingers we have in our hands. 03:01 And this was actually the beginning of a whole 03:04 series of rappings and communications from 03:07 this ghost that claimed to be the spirit of a dead 03:09 peddler that the ghost said I had been murdered 03:13 and its bones were now underneath the cellar at 03:17 the bottom of the house and later on they did do 03:19 some excavations and some research and they 03:21 found that lone behold there were bones down 03:23 there that they hadn't previously found that 03:26 were hidden behind a wall. And as the news 03:28 began to spread these two young girls began to 03:30 go on on tour. They began to travel around 03:33 the country and they began to speak and give 03:34 public lectures and talk about how the other side 03:38 had spoken and this was supposedly proving that 03:42 the dead weren't really dead and that they are 03:45 out there and that they can come and talk to us. 03:47 And that was the birthday and the beginning 03:51 of movement that has been known as 03:53 spiritualism in our world. Now, let's go back to that 03:56 monument. If we can put that back up on the 03:59 screen again. That monument is today in 04:03 front of the Hydesville memorial park. 04:06 In New York it remains as a witness to the 04:08 birthplace of modern spiritualism and it says 04:10 they are the home of the Fox Sisters and again 04:12 look at the model at the bottom there. 04:14 This is model of modern spiritualism that there is 04:18 no death and there are no dead. Now, that is an 04:23 amazing doctrine. It's the foundation of the whole 04:28 idea that you can talk to the dead. 04:31 They believe that the dead aren't dead and if 04:33 the dead aren't dead then why can't the dead come 04:35 back and communicate with you. Now here's a, 04:37 here's a big question. Where did that doctrine 04:40 originate. The idea of that there is no death and 04:44 if there is no dead it is the basis of occultism 04:48 and spiritualism, where did that idea come from? 04:52 Well, let's go to the Bible. Let's find out. Yeah. 04:54 We go back in our Bibles to the book of Genesis. 04:57 Genesis describes the beginning of the world. 05:00 It describes how God made this planet and 05:03 everything in it in six days how he rested on 05:06 the Seventh Day. He made the world as a 05:08 beautiful place it was just perfect. There was no 05:11 sin, there was no suffering. There was no sorrow, 05:14 the rivers were flowing and the sun was shining 05:18 and the air was clear, no smog, no LA smog, 05:21 no Detroit smog, no Fresno smog where I 05:24 live or in the area where I live. Everything was 05:27 just perfect and there was a perfect man named 05:29 Adam and a perfect woman who was Eve. 05:33 And when you look at Genesis chapter 2 what 05:35 happens is in God's infinite wisdom he gave 05:39 this new, this new pair, this new couple, 05:45 the first human beings ever created he gave them 05:47 a specific, a specific test. He gave them access to 05:51 all the trees in a garden that he created which was 05:54 called the Garden of Eden, a beautiful 05:55 garden that he planted but there was one 05:58 particular tree that he set up and it was in the 06:01 middle of the garden and that tree was called the 06:03 tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 06:06 And in Genesis 2 verse 16, the Bible says that 06:08 the Lord God commanded the man and he said of 06:12 every tree of the garden you may freely eat but of 06:15 the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil you 06:19 shall not eat of it, for in the day that you eat 06:23 there of and then there is four words there David, 06:26 what are those four words. 06:28 It says "You will surely die." 06:29 Right. You will surely die. This was God's test, 06:34 it was a test of, of their love, a test of 06:37 loyalty, it gave them freedom, freedom to 06:39 choose, freedom to love and freedom to not love. 06:43 And so God set this up and that tree was the, 06:46 the big test and he said if you, if you eat from 06:49 that tree, if you take your hand and if you grab 06:52 that fruit and if you eat from that one particular 06:55 tree, God was very, very clear that you shall 06:59 surely die. Now, Genesis 1 gives the creation 07:04 account. Genesis 2 describes the test and 07:08 other things. And then Genesis chapter 3 reveals 07:12 the drama, it reveals the beginning of the cosmic 07:15 conflict on planet earth between the forces of 07:18 good and evil. If you look at Genesis chapter 07:21 3, verse 1, the Bible says that the serpent was 07:24 more subtle than any beast of the field which 07:28 the Lord God had made. And this is interesting 07:31 David that the serpent' in the Garden of Eden was 07:34 the very first medium to ever exist. And it wasn't 07:39 really that the serpent itself was subtle, 07:42 it was that the serpent became a channel for 07:46 another mind, for another entity that we talked 07:49 about in the last program who was kicked out of 07:52 heaven, whose name was originally Lucifer. 07:54 It was changed to Satan, he was kicked out of 07:57 heaven. He came down to this earth and he 08:00 entered this snake and he began to talk to Eve 08:05 through the snake. The snake became a 08:08 medium and if you look at verse 4 it says that the 08:12 serpent said to the woman, here is the 08:15 serpent representing Satan. He speaks to 08:18 Eve and he said you shall not, what? 08:22 Surely die. You shall not surely 08:24 die right now. Now that text is extremely 08:27 important. There is a lot of information that we 08:30 can glean just by looking carefully at this 08:33 passage. David this was the very first lie that 08:37 was ever told to the human race. Its right 08:40 here Genesis 3:4. This lie came 08:43 specifically from the serpent who was a channel 08:46 for the devil and this lie directly contradicted 08:51 what God said in Genesis 2:17. Right, 08:54 he said that if they ate from that fruit what 08:56 would happen? They would die. 08:57 They would die and then the serpent came along 09:00 and he said you will not die. You will not surely 09:03 die. He was really mocking God and then if 09:06 you look at verse 5, the serpent continued on and 09:09 he said for God doth know that in the day that 09:13 you eat thereof, if you eat from that fruit your 09:16 eyes shall be opened and you shall be as Gods, 09:21 knowing good and evil. So, here it is in Genesis 09:26 3 at the beginning of the Bible the serpent has 09:30 two basic ideas that he had put into Eve's pretty 09:34 head, her perfect head. The first idea was that 09:37 you don't die. You won't die, if you eat this fruit 09:41 no death. And the second idea is that you will be 09:44 your own God. You will be God, you are God 09:49 and you'll know good and evil. 09:51 So, let me see if I'm understanding you here 09:53 up to this point. You pointed out the 09:54 Fox Sisters and the rappings. Yes. And this 09:57 became the threshold, the beginning, 09:59 the watershed movement in the beginning of 10:01 what is called spiritualism today and 10:04 one of the tenets in that tombstone that we saw 10:06 was that there is no death. 10:08 That marker, it was a marker. 10:09 Oh, there's a marker. Okay, the marker said 10:11 that there is no death and then you can see the 10:14 trace all the way back to Adam and Eve in the 10:17 Garden and the first line out of the serpent's 10:20 mouth or the first deception out of the 10:22 serpent's mouth is "You will not surely Die" 10:26 And so we can see there is a link here. 10:28 This is not a new doctrine that has come 10:29 up, it goes all the way back to the beginning of 10:32 time here on planet earth. 10:33 That's exactly right. Mr. Splitfoot in New York 10:37 said that he was the ghost of a dead peddler 10:41 and he communicated the doctrine that there is no 10:45 death and you don't die and he had now come 10:47 back to communicate this idea to the Fox Sisters 10:50 which then spread around the world in 10:52 spiritualism. That doctrine really goes 10:55 right back to Genesis chapter 3, to the 10:58 teaching of the serpent. And it's amazing David 11:01 when you think about it that here are two lies 11:05 coming from the serpent, number one you don't 11:07 die which is exactly the opposite of what God 11:09 said and number two is you are God. And as you 11:12 look at, we've been talking about the occult, 11:13 we've been talking about witchcraft and 11:14 spiritualists and mediums. When you look 11:16 at the Wiccan or witchcraft movement 11:18 today and when you look at the spiritualist 11:21 movement today, both of those movements teach 11:24 there is no death. Both of them teach that human 11:27 beings are actually God, that we're divine within 11:30 and both of them and this is amazing teach 11:33 that there is no devil. And yet when you read 11:36 your Bible, it is the devil that taught those 11:41 very first two doctrines and so doesn't it just 11:43 make sense that the devil who taught those ideas 11:46 would be still teaching those ideas and then 11:48 would be trying to convince people that 11:50 there is no devil so he can teach these ideas and 11:53 happen just pass right into peoples heads and 11:56 that's exactly what's happening. 11:57 So you can see at least I see in this passage 12:01 that the doctrine of or the nature of man 12:04 specifically of what happens after death is 12:07 there death after life or is there life after death I 12:09 just say that if you naturally believe that 12:12 when you die you do not really die then the 12:14 natural conclusion is obviously I can 12:17 communicate with that person. Exactly right. 12:19 And it just leads you down that road and so. 12:21 That's right. That's exactly right. 12:22 The doctrine of communication with the 12:24 dead is based upon the doctrine that you don't 12:28 die. And that doctrine is based upon the teaching 12:32 of a snake in the Garden of Eden. That was a 12:35 mouth piece for Satan himself. Now, if you go 12:40 back to Genesis 3. Okay. It says in verse 6 that 12:42 when the woman saw that the tree was good 12:44 for food it was pleasant to the eyes, it was a 12:47 tree desirable to make one wise. She took of the 12:50 fruit and she ate it and she gave to her husband 12:53 with her and he did eat it. Adam and Eve were 12:56 both duped, Eve especially was duped. 12:59 Adam followed his wife because he loved her, 13:02 made the wrong decision, they both took the fruit, 13:03 they ate it and verse 7 says their eyes were 13:05 open, just like the serpent said your eyes 13:07 will be open but they were opened in a 13:09 different way than the serpent had implied. 13:12 It says there eyes were open and they knew that 13:14 they were naked and they sowed fig leaves 13:16 together and they made themselves aprons. 13:19 They knew they were, their enlightenment was 13:22 the realization of their nakedness. And right 13:25 after that in Genesis 3 it talks about how God 13:28 came back to them in the Garden, he confronted 13:31 them because of their sin. He dialogued with 13:34 them and eventually what he did was he covered 13:37 them, he covered their nakedness. And this is 13:40 really significant and I wish we had a lot of time 13:43 to really go into this. There is more information 13:46 on our website on whitehorsemedia.com 13:48 we have a lot of resources that discuss 13:50 this very thing and the significance of what 13:52 we're about to read. But in Genesis chapter 3 13:55 verse 21, the Bible says to Adam also and to this 14:00 wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and 14:04 he clothed them. Now this is really important. 14:08 In Genesis 2:16-17, God said that if they ate the 14:11 fruit they would die. The serpent denied that, 14:14 he said that they don't die, you won't die. 14:16 He led them into sin and when they did sin they 14:19 were naked and uncovered. They put fig leaves 14:23 around themselves to try to cover up that 14:25 nakedness, but God had another plan. 14:28 God wanted to cover them with something else. 14:31 And what does it say he clothed them with. 14:32 Coats of skin. Right. Coats of skin. 14:35 Now in order for God, think about this. 14:37 In order to, for him to clothe Adam and Eve with 14:42 coats of skin those skins would be the skins of 14:46 what. Animals. 14:47 Skins of Animals. Right. One animal or more 14:49 animals and what had to happen to one or more 14:52 animals in order for their coats to become 14:58 skins to cover Adam and Eve because of their sin 15:01 and their nakedness. Well, obviously they 15:03 lost the animal's life had to be met or the 15:07 animal had to cease to exist for the skins to. 15:11 Yeah, the animal. That's right. 15:12 The animal had to die. A friend of mine wrote 15:16 the music to the words of a very powerful 15:22 song called The Caretaker so this is what it says. 15:27 The caretakers are gone, there is an aching 15:29 loneliness. No one but God can see what is about 15:32 to come or what is to come. Adam cradles the 15:35 lamb to his chest as the universe collectively 15:39 recalls going back to that scene where the 15:41 animal died. The warm red blood soaks into the 15:45 wool and splatters upon on the alter rocks. 15:49 Many nights Adam woke in sweat remembering 15:52 that lamb that he had named kicking, bleeding, 15:55 going limp with eyes so trusting to the end. 16:00 He wants to split the apple out and he cries 16:03 out to Eve and he says what have we done. 16:06 What have we done? The serpent said there is 16:09 no death. He lied. When Adam and Eve sinned, 16:13 they were naked and God was about to 16:15 demonstrate to them that death was very real and 16:19 I don't know whether God did it or whether he 16:21 told Adam to take the lamb and he gave Adam 16:24 the knife and had Adam do it, but Adam was 16:27 certainly involved he watched a lamb die and 16:30 there had never been any death in the history 16:32 of the whole universe until that movement. 16:36 And it was the skin of that sacrifice that God 16:39 used to clothe Adam and Eve, because of their 16:43 nakedness. And what, or maybe I should say who 16:46 did that dead animal ultimately represent. 16:51 You would assume that looking at the New 16:53 Testament account, assume he covered 16:55 them and so it would have to be Christ who died. 17:00 That's exactly right. The first sacrifice in 17:04 the Garden of the Eden was the beginning of 17:05 many sacrifices that eventually pointed 17:08 forward to the ultimate sacrifice. It pointed 17:11 forward to the coming of a person called the 17:14 Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the 17:16 world who would eventually as the real 17:20 lamb, he would actually really die because of 17:26 the sin of Adam and Eve. Let's look at that in 17:29 the Bible. Luke chapter 23, Luke chapter 23. 17:37 At the end of the book of Luke the second to the 17:39 last chapter in verse 46 the Bible says that, 17:42 that when Jesus had cried with a loud voice he 17:46 said, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit 17:50 and having said that he gave up the ghost. 17:54 Which means his spirit, his breath he gave it up 17:57 and the Bible is very clear that Jesus Christ 18:00 actually literally died because of man's sin. 18:04 He took man's sin, he took Adam's sin; 18:06 Eve's sin; the sin of the first couple all the way 18:09 down to the end of time; your sin; my sin; 18:11 the sins of the whole world. Your sin, 18:13 everybody's sin, he took that all into his mind 18:16 and into his heart and he paid the price and he 18:18 actually literally died in First Corinthians 18:21 15:3, the Bible says that Christ died for our sins 18:26 according to the scriptures. What the 18:28 serpent said wouldn't happen has been 18:32 happening throughout history, animals have 18:35 died, people died and then Jesus Christ came 18:38 down here and he died as the ultimate sacrifice to 18:41 pay the penalty of man's sin. That's what the 18:45 Bible calls the Gospel, that is the good news of 18:49 God to try to get us back to pay the price for our 18:53 sin and to bring us back into his love and into 18:57 his grace. So you see all the way back in the book 19:00 of Genesis there is two conflicting messages, 19:03 one is you will surely die if you're in 19:05 disobedience to God's commands and then 19:07 second one is one the counter part and the 19:09 devil says you will not die but you see that as 19:13 a result of listening to devil's lie that death 19:15 did happen. It was the death of an animal, 19:17 there was death of Adam and Eve and then later 19:19 you see the death of the son of God, but if 19:22 you accept Christ obviously there is a 19:24 counterpart to this, death is not in the sense 19:27 an eternal death if you choose to accept Christ 19:30 because he died in our place. 19:31 It's right. I'll get to that. That's right. Yeah. 19:33 Let's keep going if you look at Luke chapter 24 19:36 right, the good news of the Bible is not only 19:38 that Jesus Christ died. That's just half the 19:40 story. The other half is what happened on the 19:43 first day of the week on Sunday morning. 19:45 In Luke 24 verses 1 to 5, what happens is early in 19:49 the morning three days after Jesus was crucified 19:52 and died on the Cross for the sins of the 19:53 world, these women came to the tomb to put 19:57 spices on his death body, they found the stone 20:00 rolled away. They looked, they saw a holy angel 20:03 standing there at the tomb he had rolled the 20:05 stone away and then the angel announced. 20:08 In verse 5 the angel said why are you seeking the 20:11 living among the dead. He is not here. 20:15 He has risen and the, the Biblical message, 20:19 the glorious message, the powerful message of 20:20 this book is that God's own son really did die, 20:24 he was really buried but then on Sunday morning 20:27 on the first day of the week he literally 20:28 actually rose from the dead and the angel said 20:31 why are you seeking the living among the dead. 20:35 See death is real, in spite of what the 20:38 serpent says that marker in front of the 20:40 Hydesville cottage in New York is wrong, 20:43 it says there is no death. There is death; 20:46 people have been dying throughout history. 20:48 Jesus Christ died and the good news is he has 20:51 been resurrected from the dead. He's risen from 20:54 the dead. 40 days later according to this book, 20:57 according to God's word, he ascended to heaven 21:00 and we are waiting right now and I believe we're 21:03 getting awfully close to the great day when the 21:07 son of God will actually come down from the 21:10 sky, he will return at his second coming. 21:13 And let's take a look at First Thessalonians 21:15 chapter 4 and let's notice what's going to 21:17 happen when Jesus comes again. 21:20 First Thessalonians chapter 4, verses 16 and 21:23 17 describe the great day, the awesome day. 21:27 Okay. The day that we're 21:29 longing for, that we're waiting for. 21:31 Verse 16 says First Thessalonians 4:16 that 21:34 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with 21:38 a shout, with a voice of the archangel and with 21:41 the trumpet of God and then notice what it says 21:45 and the dead in Christ shall do what. 21:48 Rise first. They shall rise first. 21:50 That's right. That is a resurrection morning. 21:53 Not only did Jesus Chris rise but he is coming 21:56 back to raise us up, there is death, 21:58 there is burial, but Jesus is going to come and 22:02 raise us up and that's what the Bible says the 22:04 dead in Christ shall rise first and verse 17 says 22:08 then we which are alive and remain shall be 22:12 caught up. And what's that next word? 22:15 Together. Together. Right. 22:17 That is a key word there. Together with them in 22:21 the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we 22:24 shall ever be ready with the Lord. This verse says 22:27 that when Jesus comes down and the dead in 22:28 Christ rise he raises them up, that's when the 22:31 living and the resurrected dead will be together. 22:36 This tells us that our hope of reunion with our 22:40 loved ones is not that they are going to come 22:42 knocking on the wall of our house in the middle 22:45 of the night or we're gonna hear these thuds 22:48 you know going down the pantry stairs or the 22:50 windows are going to rattle, because your long 22:52 lost grandma or grandpa or whoever else has 22:56 come back to tell you there is no death, 22:57 everything is fine on the other side. That's not 23:00 the message of the Bible. The message of the 23:02 Bible is that death is real, that people do die, 23:05 that Jesus Christ came, that he died, that he 23:07 rose from the dead, that he went to heaven, 23:09 that he is going to comeback and he is going 23:11 to resurrect the dead, those who are the dead in 23:14 Christ, that believe in him, that in believe in 23:16 this book, that believe in his message. 23:18 Their sins are forgiven and they are accepted by 23:20 God because of his grace, because of that 23:23 covering. That covering of the animal skins 23:26 represents his white robe of righteousness that he 23:30 covers us with and that's how he covers and 23:34 removes our sin. And the reunion day happens 23:38 not on the other side when we die because the 23:42 dead comeback which is the message of modern 23:44 spiritualism, but reunion day comes on 23:47 resurrection day when Jesus comes down from 23:50 the clouds and raises the dead and we're caught 23:53 up together to meet him and to be with him and 23:57 the rest of the verse says at the end of verse 24:00 17 it says that when we meet the Lord in the air 24:03 and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 24:08 And then the last part of the verse, actually verse 24:11 18 says wherefore comfort one another with these 24:16 words. Not the words of spiritualists and medians 24:19 and those who are involved in witchcraft 24:22 and those that are involved in all kinds of 24:24 occult practices or who are teaching false 24:26 doctrines, but it's these words, it's the words of 24:29 the Bible that are to comfort us in time of 24:33 loss. I heard about an old saint on his death 24:36 bed he was talking to a group of friends and 24:39 family that were paying their final, final respects 24:43 as he was about to die and this is what he said, 24:46 if you miss me don't dismay. I may have to 24:50 rest in a mound of clay but when I hear that 24:54 trumpet sound I'm coming out of the cold, 24:57 cold ground. Halleluiah. I often, well maybe not 25:03 often but many times I have been in cemeteries 25:06 and I read tombstones and I look at, many of 25:09 them have Bible texts that look forward to the 25:12 resurrection of the great day and that's the hope, 25:15 that's the hope that we have. It's that Jesus is 25:18 going to come and raise the dead and bring things 25:21 back together. And as we wait in this world of 25:24 of we have to be on our guard against the 25:27 teachings of the serpent, the doctrine that there 25:29 is no devil, the doctrine that there is no death, 25:32 the doctrine that man is God which are, 25:34 which are the teachings of the new age 25:36 movement, the broader occult movement, 25:38 these lives, these doctrines are; they're 25:42 not true, they are deceptions, they lead 25:44 away from Jesus from confidence and hope in 25:48 his second coming and the whole need for him to 25:52 come and raise the dead and so that we can be 25:55 with him forever and ever. Our hope is in 25:58 Jesus. It's not in ghosts. He is our only hope. 26:01 He is our only savior. If its not, if it wasn't 26:03 for Christ we would go down to the grave and 26:06 come up no more. Now that would be it, 26:09 because Jesus went down and came up. 26:11 We, when we go down we could come up 26:15 because of him. Our dependence is upon him, 26:18 our hope is on him. He is our savior, 26:21 he is the lamb, he is everything to us. 26:23 And David if I should die before the Lord comes, 26:26 I'm not afraid 'cause I know that it will just be 26:30 short sleep until I open my eyes and I look up and 26:33 I see myself in. That's my hope as a Christian, 26:38 as a follower of Jesus Christ. Halleluiah. 26:42 Amen. That's really assuring. Now how can a 26:44 person that has just heard this message of the 26:47 resurrection be assured that on that resurrection 26:50 morning, that they will be there to be reunited 26:52 with their loved ones. Sure. Well, that's the 26:55 big question and there is many different 26:58 passages I'm sure we could point people to but 27:00 probably the simplest and the easiest for us to 27:03 communicate at this moment is John chapter 3 27:06 verse 16, where Jesus said that God so loved 27:10 the world, even though Adam and Eve sinned and 27:12 the whole world had sinned, God still loves 27:14 us. "God so loved the world that he gave his 27:16 only begotten son," his one son, that whosoever 27:20 and that includes you, it includes me, it includes 27:23 all of us, that whosoever believeth in him should 27:27 not perish but have everlasting life, 27:31 through Jesus Christ and faith in him. 27:33 That's how we have the hope that we'll be apart 27:35 of resurrection morning. 27:37 Well, that's reassuring that if we have hope in 27:39 Jesus that on the resurrection morning, 27:42 we can live eternally with our loved ones 27:45 forever and ever. Well, our time is 27:47 slipping away. Thank you so much for sharing 27:48 with us here today, Steve, it's been a 27:50 wonderful journey and I would like to invite 27:53 you to join us again next time. This is a series of 27:55 13 and a series on Battles of Faith, 27:58 magic ghosts and the Bible. It's our prayer 28:01 here that you will learn to live by every word 28:04 that proceeds from the mouth of God. 28:05 My name is David Shin and I'm here with 28:07 Steve Wohlberg. Join us again next time. |
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