Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001023
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00:07 >> FROM ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA, "THE CARTER REPORT" 00:09 PRESENTS THE LIVING WORD AROUND THE WORLD. 00:17 >> HELLO, I'M DAVE DENO AND THIS IS "THE CARTER REPORT" 00:20 WITH PASTOR JOHN CARTER. 00:22 TODAY OUR TOPIC IS "SEEING THE HAND OF GOD," 00:26 THE STORY OF THE MOST EXCITING EVENTS AND HAPPENINGS 00:29 IN YOUR LIFE, DANGERS, OPPOSITIONS, THREATS, 00:35 AND TRIUMPHS. 00:37 THIS IS GONNA BE AN EXCITING PROGRAM, LOOKING NOT ONLY 00:41 INTO THE PAST, BUT ALSO INTO THE FUTURE. 00:45 STAY WITH US. 00:49 >> HELLO, I'M DAVE DENO FOR JOHN CARTER 00:51 AND "THE CARTER REPORT," HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU 00:53 TO BE A PART OF THIS MINISTRY, TO BE A PARTNER IN THIS 00:56 MINISTRY, TO KNOW THE JOY OF GIVING. 01:00 GOD'S WORD TELLS US THAT IT IS MORE BLESSED TO GIVE THAN TO 01:03 RECEIVE AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS MORE JOYFUL TO GIVE THAN 01:07 TO RECEIVE. 01:08 BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WILL KNOW THIS IS TO DO IT YOURSELF, 01:11 TO COME AND JOIN US IN THIS WONDERFUL MINISTRY OF BRINGING 01:14 THE GOSPEL TO HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS, 01:18 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN AREAS AROUND THE WORLD THAT 01:22 PERHAPS YOU AND I MAY NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY 01:25 TO TRAVEL TO. 01:26 THIS IS A WAY THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT THE PREACHING OF THE 01:30 GOSPEL, THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT NEW LIVES IN CHRIST. 01:35 NOW WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND WE WANT 01:38 TO SHOW YOU THAT APPRECIATION BY SENDING SOMETHING BACK 01:41 TO YOU TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR GIFT. 01:45 ONE WOULD BE A TERRIFIC BOOK THAT IS WRITTEN 01:48 BY JOHN CARTER CALLED "THE FATE OF THE HEATHEN." 01:51 NOW THIS IS A GREAT BOOK, NOT ONLY FOR YOU TO READ, BUT ALSO 01:54 TO SHARE WITH FAMILY MEMBERS AND WITH FRIENDS. 01:57 IT'S VERY DIRECT, VERY TO THE POINT. 02:00 AND THEN ANOTHER BOOK THAT JOHN'S A LITTLE SHY ABOUT IS 02:02 THE HISTORY OF JOHN CARTER AND "THE CARTER REPORT." 02:06 YOU CAN SEND YOUR GIFT TO THE CARTER REPORT AT 02:08 P.O. BOX 1900, THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA, 91358. 02:16 IN AUSTRALIA, YOU CAN SEND IT TO TERRIGAL, NEW SOUTH WALES, 02:21 AND THE BOX IS ON THE SCREEN. 02:23 I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS MINISTRY. 02:26 WRITE TO US AGAIN AT THE CARTER REPORT, 02:29 BOX 1900, THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA, 91358. 02:34 AND IN AUSTRALIA, AT TERRIGAL, NEW SOUTH WALES. 02:38 AGAIN, THE BOX NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. 02:41 THANK YOU. 02:42 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A PART OF THIS MINISTRY. 02:50 >> PASTOR CARTER, IT IS SO GOOD TO JUST SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND 02:54 TALK ABOUT WHAT THE LORD HAS IN STORE FOR YOU AND THE MINISTRY 02:59 OF "THE CARTER REPORT" AND TO LOOK BACK AND SEE GOD'S HAND 03:03 UPON THIS MINISTRY AND, INDEED, IN THE LIVES OF SO MANY. 03:06 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SITTING DOWN WITH US. 03:08 >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 03:10 >> I STATED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SEEING GOD'S 03:12 HAND AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING 03:15 EVENTS AND HAPPENINGS IN YOUR LIFE. 03:18 AND SOME OF THOSE ARE GREAT EVENTS, JOYFUL EVENTS. 03:20 SOME OF THEM INVOLVE SOME THREATS AND SOME DANGERS 03:23 IN YOUR LIFE. 03:24 BUT I WANT TO LOOK AHEAD FOR JUST A MOMENT BEFORE WE LOOK 03:26 BACK, AND THAT IS YOU HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS COMING UP 03:31 IN SOUTH AFRICA. 03:32 TELL US ABOUT THAT. 03:34 THAT'S GOT TO BE VERY EXCITING FOR YOU. 03:36 >> DAVE, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TODAY. 03:39 WE'RE GOING BY THE GRACE OF GOD VERY SHORTLY TO THE GREAT CITY 03:42 OF JOHANNESBURG, OR AS WE CALL IT NOW, JOBURG. 03:46 IT'S A BIG CITY, MULTICULTURAL. 03:49 SOME MONTHS AGO, WE GOT AN S-O-S FROM SOME BELIEVERS OVER THERE. 03:52 BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER, WORKING HARD. 03:55 THEY INVITED US TO COME. 03:57 THEY'D SEEN US ON TELEVISION AND SO THEY, WITH US, HAVE 04:01 HIRED A MAGNIFICENT AUDITORIUM, BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL THEATER. 04:07 IN FACT, THE GAITHERS WERE THERE NOT VERY LONG AGO. 04:10 IT'S A PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE NOT "AMERICAN IDOL," BUT, 04:13 COULD YOU BELIEVE IT, THEY HAVE "AFRICAN IDOL" IN THIS PLACE. 04:17 BUT WE, WE'VE HIRED THIS PLACE FOR THE BEST PART OF A MONTH 04:21 AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE MEETINGS THERE AND THEY ARE 04:25 GOING TO BE TELEVISED EVERY NIGHT AND TAKEN RIGHT ACROSS 04:29 SOUTH AFRICA, WHICH IS A LAND OF SOME 49-50 MILLION PEOPLE. 04:34 AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE TELECAST TO HUNDREDS 04:36 OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE RIGHT ACROSS THE VAST CONTINENT 04:39 OF AFRICA ITSELF. 04:41 >> I HOPE THAT OUR VIEWERS CAN SEE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF 04:44 THE FLIERS THAT IS BEING GIVEN OUT IN SOUTH AFRICA IN 04:48 PREPARATION FOR YOUR MEETINGS THERE. 04:50 AND AS I LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU WERE HOLDING THESE MEETINGS 04:54 HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, I WOULD BE ON THE DOORSTEP 04:58 OF WHEREVER YOU'RE HOLDING THE MEETINGS BECAUSE THIS IS 05:00 AN AMAZING TOPIC. 05:02 >> WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT, ISN'T IT? 05:04 >> IT IS. 05:05 YOU'VE GOT A PICTURE OF THE MASK OF TUTANKHAMEN. 05:08 THE TOPIC IS "AMAZING DISCOVERIES 05:11 OF LOST CITIES OF THE DEAD." 05:13 SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COVER, 05:16 "WONDER CITIES OF THE PAST," "THE JEW, THE ARAB, 05:19 AND JERUSALEM," "VISITORS FROM OTHER WORLDS." 05:23 >> YEAH, A PROGRAM ON ASTRONOMY. 05:25 >> AND "THE GREATEST ARCHAEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY 05:28 OF ALL TIME." 05:29 WHAT IS THAT? 05:30 CAN YOU GIVE US A HINT? 05:31 >> OH, YOU OUGHT TO COME, BUT OH NO, I WON'T BE SO DIFFICULT. 05:34 THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS. 05:36 YEAH. 05:38 >> WELL, LET'S GO BACK FOR A MOMENT. 05:40 LET'S GO BACK TO SOME OF THE EARLY YEARS 05:42 OF "THE CARTER REPORT" AND SOME OF THE EARLY MEETINGS. 05:44 AND I WANT TO START OUT WITH THE CITY OF KIEV BECAUSE 05:48 THERE'S A VERY INTERESTING STORY THAT I AM TOLD ABOUT THE 05:52 POWERFUL PRELATE WHO SWORE THAT "THE CARTER REPORT" WOULD 05:56 NEVER, EVER COME TO KIEV. 05:58 >> YEAH. 05:59 THIS IS QUITE AN AMAZING STORY. 06:03 I SAW THE HAND OF GOD THERE, DAVE. 06:06 THIS IS GOING BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, BACK TO THE DAYS 06:10 JUST AFTER THE FALL OF THE COMMUNISTS IN THAT PART 06:13 OF THE WORLD. 06:16 WE WERE INVITED THERE AND WE HIRED THIS HUGE AUDITORIUM 06:20 DOWNTOWN. 06:21 SEATS ABOUT 15,000 PEOPLE. 06:23 AND WE HIRED IT FOR ABOUT A MONTH, EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK. 06:27 AND THIS POWERFUL CHURCH LEADER, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL 06:32 HIM A PRELATE. 06:33 ONLY A RELATIVELY YOUNG MAN IN ROBUST HEALTH, STRONG. 06:38 HE MADE THE STATEMENT, HE SAID, "THE CARTER REPORT TEAM WILL 06:42 COME TO KIEV AND PREACH OVER MY DEAD BODY." 06:49 >> THAT'S A DANGEROUS PREDICTION. 06:52 >> WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT. 06:55 HE SAID, "THEY WILL COME OVER MY DEAD BODY." 06:58 NOW THE BELIEVERS WHO WERE SUPPORTING US SAID, "WE'VE GOT 07:03 A PROBLEM BECAUSE THIS MAN'S GOT TREMENDOUS POWER AND 07:06 AUTHORITY, AND THE GOVERNMENT OF KIEV WON'T DO ANYTHING 07:09 WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION," BECAUSE HE REPRESENTED 07:13 THE STATE CHURCH, MILLIONS OF THEIR BELIEVERS. 07:17 BUT 10 DAYS BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN STARTED, WHAT HE HAD PROPHESIED 07:21 IN A THREAT CAME TO PASS AND HE DROPPED DEAD. 07:27 IT CAUSED SHOCK WAVES THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT. 07:32 HIS BELIEVERS, HIS FOLLOWERS TRIED TO BURY HIM INSIDE THE 07:35 GREAT STATE CATHEDRAL, BUT THE GOVERNMENT SAID, "NO, 07:39 WE DON'T THINK HE OUGHT TO BE BURIED ANYWHERE. 07:41 IN A STATE CATHEDRAL, THE LAST PLACE." 07:44 THEY SAID, "IF YOU WANT TO BURY THIS MAN, THEN YOU CAN BURY HIM 07:47 ON THE FOOTPATH, THE SIDEWALK." 07:50 AND THE PRIESTS OF THAT ORGANIZATION CAME OUT AND THEY 07:55 BATTLED THE KIEV MILITIA. 07:58 THEY CAME OUT WITH CROSSES THAT THEY USED AS CLUBS, STRIKING AT 08:01 THE POLICEMEN AND THE POLICEMEN SHOT THEM DOWN. 08:05 AND BLOOD RAN IN THE STREETS OF KIEV JUST BEFORE WE STARTED. 08:10 HE WAS NOT BURIED INSIDE THE CATHEDRAL, BUT 08:12 AS THE GOVERNMENT SAID, HE WAS BURIED ON THE FOOTPATH, 08:17 ON THE SIDEWALK. 08:18 AND IF YOU GO THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE HIS COFFIN, COVERED IN 08:22 CONCRETE, AND A PICTURE OF THE PRELATE WHO SAID, 08:25 "THE GOSPEL IS NOT GONNA BE PREACHED HERE." 08:28 HE'S LYING ON THE SIDEWALK. 08:30 TO ME, IT WAS AN INDICATION THAT GOD IS GREATER THAN MAN. 08:35 AND EVEN THOUGH THIS VAST RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION HAD 08:38 SAID, "THE MESSAGE OF GOD IS NOT GOING TO BE PREACHED," GOD 08:41 SAID, "NO, IT IS GOING TO BE PREACHED, EVEN IF I'VE GOT 08:45 TO TAKE YOU ASIDE IN DEATH." 08:48 I SAW THE HAND OF GOD THERE. 08:50 >> WHAT ABOUT HIS SUCCESSOR? 08:52 >> THAT WAS AN INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE ONCE 08:55 THE MEETINGS STARTED, WE HAD TREMENDOUS CROWDS. 09:00 I CAME DOWN ABOUT 2 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING WAS DUE 09:03 TO START. 09:04 I COULDN'T GET IN THE SAME STREET. 09:08 A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE WERE OUTSIDE AND THE AUDITORIUM 09:12 WAS PACKED INSIDE. 09:14 >> ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE OUTSIDE-- 09:17 >> YEAH, 100,000 TURNED AWAY. 09:18 THE GOVERNMENT CALLED A STATE OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY, 09:21 HALLELUJAH, AND CLOSED--THEY WANTED TO CLOSE DOWN THE 09:24 MEETINGS, BUT THEY CLOSED DOWN THE RAILWAY SYSTEM. 09:29 THEY SAID, "WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN THE TRAINS. 09:32 WE'LL STOP THE MEETINGS BECAUSE FOLKS WON'T BE ABLE TO COME." 09:37 BUT THE MEETINGS STARTED WITH--WHAT SHOULD I SAY? 09:41 WITH GREAT CONTROVERSY. 09:44 SOME PEOPLE TRYING TO STOP THE MEETINGS, BUT THOUSANDS 09:47 OF PEOPLE IN THE MEETINGS. 09:49 A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE OUTSIDE BEGGING TO GET INSIDE, 09:53 THEY BROKE DOWN ALL THE DOORS OF THIS GREAT BUILDING, 09:56 DESTROYED THE BUILDING ON THE OUTSIDE. 09:58 AND AFTER THE MEETINGS HAD BEEN GOING FOR A FEW WEEKS, THE 10:02 SUCCESSOR OF THIS MIGHTY AND POWERFUL PRELATE, WHO WAS NOW 10:06 BURIED ON THE FOOTPATH, SEND ME A MESSAGE. 10:09 HE SAID, "WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO COME AND SEE ME 10:12 AT MY PALACE?" 10:15 I WENT TO SEE HIM AT HIS PALACE WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS 10:18 AND SUPPORTERS. 10:20 HE PUT HIS ARMS AROUND ME AND KISSED ME ON BOTH CHEEKS AND 10:23 HE SAID, "IN THE NAME OF GOD, I WELCOME YOU." 10:27 I GUESS HE DIDN'T WANT TO END UP ON THE FOOTPATH. 10:30 I DON'T KNOW. 10:32 BUT GOD IS GREAT AND GOD IS POWERFUL AND GOD CAN TURN BACK 10:35 THE FORCES OF DARKNESS. 10:37 >> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OPPOSITION BEFORE THE MEETINGS. 10:39 DID YOU RUN INTO ANY DURING THE MEETINGS? 10:42 >> YES. 10:44 I'VE OFTEN HAD OPPOSITION TO MY MEETINGS FROM BELIEVERS AND 10:47 NON-BELIEVERS, FROM PRELATES AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T CALL 10:51 THEMSELVES PRELATES, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE. 10:55 AND AFTER THE MEETINGS HAD BEEN GOING FOR JUST A FEW WEEKS--NO, 10:59 A FEW DAYS, THE CROWDS INTENSIFIED. 11:03 WE WERE RUNNING TWO SESSIONS A DAY AND THE PLACE WAS PACKED 11:07 TO THE DOORS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN FROM OUTSIDE, PEOPLE 11:10 STANDING AROUND THE WALLS. 11:12 AND THEN I RECEIVED A SUMMONS FROM THE STATE OFFICIALS, 11:16 DOWNTOWN KIEV. 11:18 IT WAS THE MINISTER OF RELIGION. 11:21 AND I WENT DOWN THERE WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS, WITH MY 11:23 TRANSLATOR. 11:24 IN FACT, MY FRIENDS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ACCOMPANY ME. 11:27 I HAD TO GO IN BY MYSELF, ALONE, BUT GOD WAS WITH ME, 11:32 AND A TRANSLATOR. 11:34 AND THE STATE MINISTER OF RELIGION--NOT A RELIGIOUS 11:37 PERSON. 11:38 HE WAS AN ATHEIST, AN OLD COMMUNIST. 11:40 HE SAID TO ME, "CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS." 11:43 NOW THESE GUYS ARE USED TO MINISTER SAYING, "YES, SIR." 11:47 >> YOU KNOW, THIS HAS A FAMILIAR RING FROM A CERTAIN 11:49 SECTION OF THE BOOK OF ACTS. 11:51 >> YES, I KNOW. 11:53 HE SAID, "CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS." 11:55 I SAID, "NO." 11:57 WELL, THAT WAS SORT OF SOMETHING HE'D NEVER 11:59 HEARD BEFORE. 12:00 THEY'D NEVER HEARD THE WORD NO BEFORE. 12:02 EVERYBODY HAD ALWAYS SAID YES. 12:03 SO I TAUGHT HIM A NEW WORD. 12:05 I SAID, "NO." 12:06 HE SAID, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN, NO?" 12:08 I SAID, "JUST WHAT I SAY, NO. 12:11 IT'S BETTER TO OBEY GOD THAN IT IS TO OBEY MEN. 12:14 NO. 12:15 THE ANSWER IS NO. 12:16 WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT NO?" 12:18 HE SAID, "WELL, WE WILL WITHDRAW OUR PROTECTION 12:22 AND YOU WON'T BE SAFE. 12:24 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU? 12:26 PEOPLE MAY WANT TO TAKE YOU OUT." 12:28 I SAID, "GOD IS GREAT. 12:30 GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF ME." 12:33 "WELL, WE MAY--WHAT ABOUT PRISON?" 12:35 I SAID, "IF YOU PUT ME IN PRISON, THEN GOD WILL TAKE CARE 12:40 OF ME. 12:41 BUT WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU? 12:44 WE WILL NOT CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS BECAUSE GOD 12:47 HAS CALLED US HERE. 12:48 AND BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE ARE GOING TO FINISH OUR COURSE." 12:53 AND THEN I LEFT AND THE LEADERS OF MY CHURCH IN KIEV WERE 12:59 WAITING OUTSIDE. 13:01 AND WHEN THEY SAW ME, THEY SAID, "WHAT DID YOU SAY?" 13:03 "I SAID NYET, NO." 13:06 THEY SAID, "THANK GOD. 13:07 WE THOUGHT, BECAUSE YOU CAME FROM THE WEST, YOU MIGHT HAVE 13:10 GIVEN IN AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SURRENDERED. 13:13 WE WERE AFRAID THAT YOU WOULD HAVE GONE WEAK AND RUN AWAY." 13:18 >> BUT YOU WERE FACING A VERY POWERFUL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. 13:22 >> YES, I WAS. 13:23 >> ANY CONCERN? 13:24 ANY FEAR THERE? 13:27 >> I SAY THIS, DAVE, TO THE GLORY OF GOD. 13:30 I FELT NO FEAR. 13:34 I FELT THE PRESENCE OF GOD. 13:36 I BELIEVE THAT I WAS STANDING ON HOLY GROUND. 13:40 I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IMMORTAL UNTIL OUR WORK ON EARTH 13:43 IS DONE. 13:45 I BELIEVE THAT NOBODY COULD TOUCH ME WHILE GOD WAS WITH ME. 13:49 AND THEN THEY SAID, "YOU CANNOT HAVE MEETINGS UNLESS THE POLICE 13:53 ARE THERE TO GUARD THE MEETINGS. 13:56 AND WE CONTROL THE POLICE AND IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR YOU 13:59 TO HAVE MEETINGS IF THE POLICE ARE NOT THERE." 14:02 THEY DISMISSED ALL THE POLICE. 14:05 AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS, UKRAINIANS, WENT OUT INTO 14:07 THE STREETS AND IN THE TOWNS AROUND KIEV, AND THEY FOUND 14:11 A POLICEMAN WHO WAS A COLONEL AND THEY TOLD HIM THE STORY. 14:16 AND THE MAN SAID, "WE NEED THIS MAN TO BE HERE. 14:19 WE NEED JOHN CARTER TO BE PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD. 14:21 I'M GOING TO BRING ALL OF MY POLICEMEN FROM OUTSIDE KIEV." 14:24 SO THEY CAME AND THEY PATROLLED THE MEETINGS AND THE GOVERNMENT 14:28 COULDN'T CLOSE US DOWN. 14:31 BUT EVERY DAY, WE GOT A SUMMONS FROM TOWN HALL. 14:34 "CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS." 14:35 AND EACH DAY, WE SENT THEM BACK A MESSAGE. 14:38 IT WASN'T VERY LONG. 14:39 "NO." 14:40 >> JOHN, HOW MANY PEOPLE? 14:43 ALL--AFTER ALL OF THE, "CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS," AFTER ALL 14:46 THE TIMES OF YOU SAYING NO, HOLDING ALL THESE MEETINGS, 14:50 HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU ESTIMATE HEARD THE GOSPEL, 14:54 THE GOOD NEWS? 14:55 >> OH, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. 15:00 WE WOULD HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS IN ALTAR CALLS. 15:05 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHURCHY PEOPLE OR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE 15:09 OR PIOUS PEOPLE. 15:10 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNISTS AND ATHEISTS. 15:13 THEY WERE EVEN BRINGING BUSLOADS FROM THE AREA 15:16 OF CHERNOBYL. 15:19 THE PASTOR OF A CHURCH THERE BROUGHT PEOPLE. 15:21 THEY TOLD HIM, "YOU OUGHT TO GET OUT OF CHERNOBYL BECAUSE 15:24 IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU SICK." 15:25 HE SAID, "AND FORSAKE THESE PEOPLE? 15:27 I WILL NEVER FORSAKE THESE PEOPLE." 15:29 THAT'S COURAGE. 15:30 HOW COULD WE FORSAKE THESE PEOPLE WHEN THESE PEOPLE WERE 15:33 SHOWING SUCH COURAGE? 15:37 THEN THEY WENT TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE PALACE THAT WE 15:40 WERE USING. 15:42 AND THE GOVERNMENT SAID TO THE DIRECTOR, AN OLD COMMUNIST, 15:45 "WE GIVE YOU AN ULTIMATUM." 15:47 THAT'S WHAT ALL COMMUNISTS ARE GOOD AT DOING, 15:49 GIVING ULTIMATUMS. 15:51 WELL, ONCE AGAIN, THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF THE WORD NO. 15:53 AND SO THEY GAVE HIM AN ULTIMATUM. 15:55 THEY SAID, "KICK CARTER OUT AND CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS." 15:59 AND HE SAID TO THEM, "NO." 16:03 THEY SAID, "WHAT?" 16:05 HE SAID, "NO, THESE PEOPLE ARE NEEDED. 16:10 THESE PEOPLE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH US. 16:13 THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAW, BUT YOU ARE. 16:16 YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW. 16:18 WE WILL NOT CLOSE DOWN THE MEETINGS. 16:21 AND THEN, ON THE FINAL SABBATH, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A BIG 16:26 BAPTISM AND THE GOVERNMENT SAID, "WELL, ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN 16:30 HAVE A BAPTISM," LIKE PHARAOH. 16:33 THEY SAID, "BUT YOU CAN ONLY BAPTIZE 100 PEOPLE." 16:36 WE SAID, "THANK YOU. 16:38 WE WILL BAPTIZE 100 PEOPLE AND WE WILL KEEP BAPTIZING." 16:43 THEY SAID, "YOU MUST DO WHAT WE TELL YOU." 16:45 WE SAID, "NO, IT'S BETTER TO OBEY GOD THAN MEN." 16:51 AND THEN THEY SAID, "WE FORBID ANYBODY TO BRING BUSSES." 16:55 AND SO THEY STOPPED THE BUS PEOPLE FROM KIEV COMING 16:58 WITH THEIR BUSSES. 17:00 BUT MY FRIENDS WENT OUT TO THE OUTLYING DISTRICTS, 17:02 TOWNS 100 MILES AWAY, AND HIRED BUSSES. 17:07 AND THAT SABBATH, WE TOOK TO THE RIVER DNIEPER, THE GREAT 17:11 RIVER DNIEPER, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR 17:15 THE BIGGEST BAPTISM INTO CHRIST IN THE HISTORY OF UKRAINE 17:21 FOR 1000 YEARS. 17:25 SO I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT GOD IS GREAT AND GOD IS 17:27 POWERFUL AND WE SHOULD SAY NO TO EVIL MEN AND WOMEN. 17:32 AND WE SHOULD SAY YES TO GOD BECAUSE WE DO NOT SERVE MEN. 17:37 WE SERVE THE LIVING CHRIST. 17:39 >> JOHN, AS YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, IT'S NOT ONLY A LESSON IN 17:43 THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE GONE TO. 17:47 IT'S A LESSON FOR US IN OUR OWN LIVES, IN OUR OWN PERSONAL 17:50 FAITH AS WELL. 17:51 >> OF COURSE. 17:53 IT'S A LESSON FOR ME. 17:57 THE BIBLE SAYS, "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD. 18:00 HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE. 18:03 YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME." 18:06 UNLESS CHRIST IS LORD OF ALL, HE'S NOT LORD AT ALL. 18:12 AND THEREFORE, NO, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS TO FACE OPPOSITION, BUT 18:16 WE ALSO KNOW WHAT IT IS TO HAVE THE POWER OF CHRIST WITH US. 18:19 >> YOU'RE WATCHING "THE CARTER REPORT." 18:21 I'M DAVE DENO AND WE'RE TALKING WITH PASTOR JOHN CARTER. 18:24 AND ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT MOST 18:27 FASCINATES ME IS THE SERIES OF MEETINGS YOU HELD 18:30 IN THE SOVIET UNION. 18:31 YOU HELD THE FIRST EVANGELISTIC MEETINGS IN THE SOVIET UNION? 18:36 >> SO I'M TOLD. 18:38 >> HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? 18:41 >> BECAUSE ON THAT OCCASION I DIDN'T SAY NO. 18:44 [LAUGHING] >> IT WAS IN '91, WHEN 18:50 GORBACHEV WAS STILL IN POWER, THAT I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL 18:54 FROM A FRIEND IN WASHINGTON D.C., 18:57 AND HE SAID, "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO MOSCOW 19:01 AND TRY OUT THE WATERS? 19:02 WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEREFORE WE WOULD 19:05 LIKE YOU TO GO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 19:09 AND IF YOU WILL GO AND TRY OUT THE WATERS--" 19:12 I SAID, "YES, ABSOLUTELY. 19:15 YES." 19:16 >> AMAZING. 19:17 >> "IF GOD HELPS ME, I WILL GO." 19:19 AND GOD HELPED US TO RAISE THE BUDGET. 19:22 3ABN HELPED ME TO RAISE THE BUDGET WHEN NOBODY ELSE 19:24 WOULD HELP. 19:26 3ABN HELPED ME RAISE THE BUDGET. 19:28 >> PEOPLE. 19:29 PEOPLE SENT IN SUPPORT. 19:30 >> YES, YES THEY DID. 19:32 >> TO HELP YOU GO. 19:33 >> THIS IS HOW THE CAMPAIGNS ARE RUN. 19:35 WE DON'T HAVE A CHURCH ORGANIZATION THAT'S STANDING 19:37 BEHIND US TO GIVE US MONEY. 19:39 THE PEOPLE OF GOD, THAT IS THE CHURCH. 19:42 SOME PEOPLE THINK THE CHURCH IS A HIERARCHY OR IT'S A BUILDING. 19:47 THE CHURCH IS MADE UP OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD. 19:50 WE WENT TO MOSCOW IN '91. 19:52 WE HELD A MEETING IN A BEAUTIFUL THEATER JUST A 19:56 STONE'S THROW FROM THE KREMLIN. 19:59 THE MEETINGS WOULD START AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND 20:02 FINISH AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 20:04 YOU HEAR THAT, DAVE? 20:06 THEY EXPECTED ME TO PREACH FOR 12 HOURS BECAUSE THEY GAVE ME 20:10 AN HOUR OFF IN SHIFTS DURING THE DAY. 20:13 THEY GAVE ME SOME BREAD AND WATER AND GET ME GOING SO I 20:16 COULD KEEP ON PREACHING, BUT THE HUNGER OF THE PEOPLE 20:18 WAS SO GREAT. 20:20 THE PLACE WAS FILLED AT 10 IN THE MORNING AND I WOULD PREACH 20:23 RIGHT THROUGH. 20:24 AND THEY WOULDN'T LET ME OUT THE DOORS UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK 20:26 AT NIGHT. 20:27 I SAW THE GLORY OF GOD. 20:29 I SAW THE POWER OF GOD. 20:30 >> JOHN, WHEN YOU WERE THERE, YOU BOOKED THE FAMOUS HALL OF 20:33 CONGRESSES AT THE KREMLIN IN MOSCOW. 20:37 BUT YOU DIDN'T GO. 20:38 WHY NOT? 20:39 >> OH, ONCE AGAIN--I SAID WHEN YOU INTERVIEWED ME BEFORE, 20:44 "THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER 20:47 THAT I DON'T TALK ABOUT." 20:49 BUT WE HIRED IT. 20:52 WE WERE GIVEN THE ASSURANCE THAT WE WERE GOING THERE. 20:55 WE PAID THE DEPOSIT. 20:57 WE HAD IT SIGNED, SEALED, BUT IT WAS NEVER DELIVERED. 21:02 BUT SOME CHURCH BUREAUCRATS IN WASHINGTON SAID, "NO, WE'RE 21:09 GOING TO SEND SOMEBODY ELSE." 21:12 AND THEY SENT SOMEBODY ELSE AND WE PRAYED FOR THAT PERSON. 21:15 WE WISHED HIM WELL, BUT--IT WAS RATHER DEVASTATING FOR A WHILE, 21:20 BUT THEY SENT US TO THE PLACE WHERE THEY SENT SAKHAROV, WHERE 21:24 THEY SENT THE FAMOUS DISSIDENT. 21:26 >> GORKY. 21:27 >> TO THE CITY OF GORKY. 21:28 >> NEW NAME. 21:29 >> YES, NIZHNI NOVGOROD. 21:30 AND THAT WAS BETTER THAN ANYTHING THE KREMLIN COULD EVER 21:33 HAVE BEEN 'CAUSE WE HAD DOUBLE THE SUCCESS THEY HAD 21:36 IN THE KREMLIN. 21:38 SO GOD IS GREAT, IS HE NOT? 21:40 AND GOD, DAVE, CAN OVERTURN THE POLITICKING OF MEN. 21:48 HE CAN OVERTURN CHURCH POLITICS. 21:50 HE CAN OVERTURN ALL THESE TWISTINGS AND TURNINGS 21:53 AND MANIPULATIONS. 21:55 AND IF WE DO WHAT--IF WE SAY YES TO GOD AND NO TO MEN, 22:00 GOD IS GONNA BLESS US. 22:01 >> JUST A VERY QUICK ENDING OF THIS PORTION OF OUR QUESTIONING 22:05 AND THAT IS WHAT WAS THE EXPECTATION OF THE RUSSIAN 22:09 AUTHORITIES IN SENDING YOU TO GORKY? 22:12 WHAT WAS THEIR EXPECTATION AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD DO 22:14 TO THE CROWDS? 22:15 >> WELL, THE LEADER OF THE CHURCH IN WASHINGTON D.C. 22:18 TOLD A FRIEND OF MINE, "WELL, IF JOHN GOES THERE AND BAPTIZES 22:22 50 OR 60 PEOPLE, WE'LL BE SO HAPPY WITH HIM AND WE'LL BE 22:25 SO HAPPY WITH HIM." 22:27 BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 22:28 WE BAPTIZED, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, 2,530 PEOPLE IN THE WATERS 22:35 OF THE GREAT RIVER THERE, THE VOLGA RIVER. 22:38 >> WOW. 22:39 >> AND THEY WERE COMMUNISTS AND ATHEISTS. 22:41 >> ANY OPPOSITION THERE? 22:45 >> I'VE HAD OPPOSITION WHEREVER I'VE GONE, BUT THE GREAT 22:49 CAMPAIGN IN NIZHNI NOVGOROD WAS A FORETASTE OF THE 22:54 OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD JUST BEFORE JESUS COMES. 22:59 WE SAW WHAT SOME CALL THE LATTER RAIN, THE MIGHTY 23:03 OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN THESE LAST DAYS. 23:08 WHEN WE WENT DOWN TO BOOK THE HALL, I CAN REMEMBER THE OLD 23:11 COMMUNIST OFFICIAL SITTING UNDER A STATUE OF LENIN. 23:15 HE SAID TO ME, "THEY WON'T COME. 23:18 THEY WON'T COME. 23:19 NOBODY'S GONNA COME. 23:20 WE'VE TAUGHT PEOPLE IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD NOT EVEN 23:22 TO THINK OF HIM. 23:24 WE DON'T THINK OF HIM ANYMORE. 23:26 HE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE." 23:29 BUT WE HIRED THIS MASSIVE THEATER, THE BIGGEST THEATER IN 23:31 THAT PART OF THE WORLD, IN THAT PART OF THE TOWN, AND THAT OLD 23:35 COMMUNIST OFFICIAL WAS ALMOST TRAMPLED TO DEATH BY THE CROWDS 23:38 THAT CAME THROUGH THE DOORS. 23:40 WHEN THE CROWDS CAME THROUGH THE DOORS, THEY DESTROYED 23:42 THE DOORS. 23:44 THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. 23:47 I COULDN'T GET TO THE BUILDING MYSELF. 23:49 THE RUSSIAN ARMY HAD TO PUT ME IN A RUSSIAN MILITARY VEHICLE 23:54 AND TAKE ME TO THE MEETING. 23:55 I COULDN'T HAVE GOT THERE. 23:56 >> THAT'S QUITE AN ARRIVAL. 23:57 >> YES, IT IS. 23:59 VAST CROWDS OF PEOPLE HUNGRY. 24:03 VAST CROWDS. 24:04 PEOPLE STANDING IN THE WINDOWS, STANDING IN THE DOORWAYS. 24:07 AN OLD MAN STANDING OUTSIDE, CRYING OUT, "I'VE WAITED 24:11 70 YEARS FOR JESUS. 24:12 LET ME IN." 24:14 WE SAW THE HAND OF GOD. 24:16 AND EVEN THOUGH MAN PROPOSES, GOD DISPOSES. 24:22 THEY STOPPED US FROM GOING TO THE KREMLIN, BUT GOD HAS 24:26 SOMETHING BETTER FOR US. 24:28 AND WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN, DAVE, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP SWEET, 24:32 AND WE'VE GOT TO PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE 24:35 THOSE THINGS TO US. 24:38 YOU KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. 24:40 JOSEPH SAID TO HIS BROTHERS, "YOU MEANT IF FOR EVIL, BUT GOD 24:45 MEANT IT FOR GOOD, FOR THE SAVING OF MANY SOULS." 24:51 AND I CAN SAY TO THOSE THAT STOPPED US GOING TO THE 24:53 KREMLIN, "MAYBE YOU MEANT IT FOR EVIL, BUT GOD MEANT IT 24:58 FOR GOOD AND FOR THE SAVING OF MANY SOULS." 25:02 I THANK GOD I DIDN'T GO TO THE KREMLIN, BUT THAT I WENT TO 25:08 NIZHNI NOVGOROD BECAUSE THERE I SAW THE POWER OF GOD. 25:14 >> WE'RE TALKING WITH PASTOR JOHN CARTER HERE 25:16 ON "THE CARTER REPORT" AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25:18 THE HAND OF GOD AND AS JOHN HAS SEEN IT IN HIS TRAVELS. 25:23 WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE SOVIET UNION, THE UKRAINE. 25:28 PEOPLE SUPPORTED YOU. 25:30 THEY PROVIDED, IN VERY PRACTICAL TERMS, MONEY TO MAKE 25:33 IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GO. 25:36 BUT THE QUESTION TODAY MAY BE, "BUT WHY? 25:39 WHY CARE? 25:40 IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. 25:42 IT'S PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW." 25:44 AND SOME MIGHT EVEN SAY IT'S PEOPLE WE DON'T EVEN FEEL 25:47 A THREAT FROM ANYMORE. 25:48 >> BUT WE DON'T GO BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL A THREAT FROM THEM. 25:53 AND WE DON'T NOT GO BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE 25:57 OF THE WORLD. 25:58 WE GO BECAUSE JESUS TOLD US TO. 26:03 THIS WAS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY I CAN THINK OF. 26:06 PEOPLE WHO'D BEEN KEPT IN DARKNESS FOR 70 YEARS, WHO'D 26:10 SUFFERED MORE THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE PROBABLY IN THE HISTORY 26:13 OF THE WORLD. 26:14 FIFTY MILLION OF THEM PUT TO DEATH. 26:17 FIFTY MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT GOD, WITHOUT HOPE IN THE WORLD, 26:23 LOCKED UP IN A PRISON. 26:24 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU CAN GO. 26:28 AND PEOPLE ARE CRYING OUT FOR GOD. 26:32 I'VE SEEN THE HAND OF GOD. 26:34 I'VE SEEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN DARKNESS, IN PAIN, IN 26:40 SUFFERING, NO HOPE AT ALL, GOING DOWN INTO CHRIST-LESS 26:44 GRAVES. 26:46 AND I'VE GONE AND I'VE PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. 26:51 SURE, I STARTED ON BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY AND PROPHECY 26:57 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE CROWDS. 26:59 AND THIS IS A METHODOLOGY THAT GOD HAS BLESSED. 27:02 BUT THEN, AS SOON AS WE COULD, I TOLD THEM ABOUT CALVARY. 27:08 I TOLD THEM ABOUT JOHN 3:16. 27:10 I GOT THEM TO STAND, THOUSANDS OF THEM, AND REPEAT AFTER ME, 27:16 "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE--" 27:19 THEY SAID IT IN RUSSIAN. 27:20 "THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM 27:25 SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." 27:28 THERE'S POWER IN JESUS. 27:31 AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME FORWARD BY THE TENS OF 27:34 THOUSANDS, HARDENED COMMUNISTS, MEMBERS OF THE KGB. 27:40 I'M TOLD I'M THE ONLY PROTESTANT MINISTER IN HISTORY 27:44 WHO HAS PREACHED TO THE KGB. 27:46 >> TELL US ABOUT THAT. 27:48 >> I'VE SEEN THEM MELTED IN TEARS. 27:51 HALFWAY THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN IN NIZHNI NOVGOROD, A KGB COLONEL 27:55 CAME AND SAID, "WE WANT YOU TO COME AND PREACH TO US." 27:58 THE CHURCH LEADERS SAID, "AH, RUSSIAN JOKE. 28:03 THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO COME." 28:05 BUT THEY DID. 28:06 THE GENERAL WAS COMING EVERY NIGHT. 28:08 THE GENERAL MET ME, PUT HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART, 28:11 AND HE SAID, "DON'T FORGET US. 28:13 WE, TOO, HAVE HEARTS. 28:14 WE, TOO, HAVE SOULS. 28:16 WE MAY BE BAD PEOPLE, BUT WE NEED WHAT YOU SAY." 28:21 TWICE I WENT TO KGB HEADQUARTERS, ATE WITH THE 28:24 GENERALS AND THEIR STAFF AND THE COLONELS, AND THEN PREACHED 28:28 TO MORE THAN 1000 KGB OFFICERS. 28:32 WHO CAN DOUBT THE POWER OF GOD? 28:34 WHO CAN DOUBT THE POWER OF GOD WHEN YOU HAVE AN ALTAR CALL FOR 28:37 THE KGB AND 1000 COME FORWARD, WEEPING COPIOUSLY? 28:43 AND WHEN I GAVE OUT BIBLES, I WAS ALMOST CRUSHED BY THE MOB. 28:47 I TELL PEOPLE THESE STORIES IN AUSTRALIA AND IN AMERICA 28:50 AND THEY SAY, "WE CAN'T BELIEVE THIS." 28:53 THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO SERVE A LITTLE GOD. 28:56 >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT GOD AND ABOUT WHAT HE HAS 29:00 DONE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD AS WE CONTINUE IN JUST 29:06 A FEW MOMENTS. 29:07 I'M DAVE DENO AND WE'RE TALKING WITH PASTOR JOHN CARTER HERE ON 29:10 "THE CARTER REPORT." 29:11 DON'T GO AWAY. 29:12 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 29:16 >> HELLO, FRIEND. 29:17 I'M JOHN CARTER OUTSIDE THE THEATER COMPLEX HERE 29:21 IN BEAUTIFUL JOHANNESBURG, RIGHT HERE IN THE VERY HEART 29:26 OF SOUTH AFRICA. 29:27 THIS IS THE THEATER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING 29:30 THE MEETINGS. 29:31 WE WANT YOUR PRAYERS BECAUSE THIS GREAT CITY NEEDS THE 29:34 PRAYERS OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD. 29:37 I KNOW THAT TIMES ARE TOUGH. 29:40 I KNOW THE ECONOMY IS NOT THE BEST. 29:42 BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE PROMISES OF GOD ARE JUST 29:46 AS STRONG TODAY AS THEY'VE EVER BEEN. 29:49 AND WHEN THINGS ARE TOUGH, THAT'S WHEN WE SHOULD STEP OUT 29:52 BY FAITH. 29:53 SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US, "DON'T RUN A CAMPAIGN 29:55 IN TOUGH TIMES." 29:57 I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS IS THE TIME TO PREACH THE WORD 30:00 OF GOD AROUND THE WORLD. 30:02 THIS GREAT SERIES IS GOING TO BE TELECAST RIGHT AROUND 30:06 SOUTH AFRICA. 30:08 NOT ONLY SOUTH AFRICA, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE GREAT 30:11 CONTINENT OF AFRICA, HOME TO A BILLION SOULS. 30:16 WE BELIEVE THE TIME HAS COME, THE TIME IS RIPE TO PREACH 30:19 THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL AS FOUND IN THE GREAT TRUTHS 30:23 OF THE THREE ANGELS' MESSAGES. 30:25 WE BELIEVE THE TIME HAS COME. 30:26 PREACH, PREACH, PREACH. 30:29 PLEASE STAND WITH US IN THIS GREAT AND THIS GLORIOUS WORK. 30:33 PLEASE WRITE TO ME TODAY, JOHN CARTER, 30:36 POST OFFICE BOX 1900, THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA, 30:41 91358. 30:42 IN AUSTRALIA, WRITE TO ME, PLEASE, AT TERRIGAL. 30:46 PRAY FOR SOUTH AFRICA. 30:48 PRAY FOR THE TELECAST. 30:50 PRAY FOR THE PREACHING OF THE WORD OF GOD IN THIS TREMENDOUS 30:54 HOUR IN THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY. 30:57 WE'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU. 30:59 PLEASE PRAY FOR US AS WE STEP OUT BY FAITH RIGHT HERE 31:04 IN AFRICA. 31:07 [MUSIC] 31:18 >> WELCOME BACK TO "THE CARTER REPORT." 31:20 I'M DAVE DENO. 31:21 WE'RE TALKING WITH ,PASTOR JOHN CARTER 31:23 AND TODAY THE TOPIC IS "SEEING THE HAND OF GOD." 31:26 WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW JOHN HAS HAD 31:30 GOD'S PROMPTING AND THE GREAT PRIVILEGE OF GOD'S PROMPTING 31:34 TO GO TO THE UKRAINE AND THE SOVIET UNION, INDEED PERHAPS TO 31:39 BE THE FIRST EVANGELIST TO BE ALLOWED IN THE SOVIET UNION. 31:42 AND JOHN, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND 31:45 SOME SUBSEQUENT CAMPAIGNS. 31:47 BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STICK AROUND BECAUSE 31:51 WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS AND THAT IS 31:54 ABOUT HOW YOU ARE SOON TO GO TO SOUTH AFRICA. 31:57 >> JOHANNESBURG. 31:58 >> FOR A SERIES OF AMAZING MEETINGS, AMAZING DISCOVERIES 32:02 IN LOST CITIES OF THE DEAD. 32:04 AS I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU WERE DOING THIS SERIES HERE, I WOULD 32:07 BE AT THE MEETINGS. 32:09 YOU KNOW WHAT? 32:10 IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT GET ME TO GO TO 32:12 SOUTH AFRICA JUST TO HEAR SOMETHING THIS SPECIAL. 32:15 >> THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. 32:16 >> LET'S GO BACK, THOUGH, TO YOUR EXPERIENCES THAT YOU'VE 32:18 DESCRIBED. 32:20 I MEAN, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE 32:24 HEARING THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL IN THE UKRAINE 32:27 AND IN THE SOVIET UNION. 32:29 YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS MESSAGE IN SPITE OF A GREAT DEAL OF 32:33 OPPOSITION AND EVEN SOME DANGERS, SOME THREATS. 32:37 YOU'VE FACED KGB OFFICERS WHO TOLD YOU THAT THEY WANTED TO BE 32:44 CONSIDERED AS WELL FOR THE GOSPEL. 32:46 THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FORGET THEM AS WELL. 32:49 ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING THAT 32:52 WAS, "WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL NOT TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY 32:57 THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE." 32:58 NOW THAT MAY SEEM LIKE ALMOST A CLICHE-- 33:01 >> BUT IT'S THE TRUTH. 33:02 >> IT IS. 33:03 >> NEEDS TO BE SAID. 33:04 >> I MEAN, THE KGB, THAT'S PRETTY FORMIDABLE. 33:07 >> OH, SOME OF THE BIGGEST THUGS. 33:10 >> AND YET, THEY WANTED TO HEAR THE GOSPEL. 33:13 >> YES. 33:14 THE KGB LEADER, GENERAL VLADIMIR, 33:18 HAD ME AT HIS PALACE, LOOKED AFTER ME, WAS VERY 33:22 GRACIOUS TO ME. 33:23 THEN, AT THE END OF THIS MAGNIFICENT MEAL, HE PASSED ME 33:26 A GLASS OF VODKA. 33:28 HE SAID, "NOW DRINK THIS VODKA BECAUSE THIS WILL MAKE YOU 33:31 A STRONG MAN LIKE ME." 33:33 I SAID, "GENERAL, I DON'T DRINK VODKA. 33:35 I DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL." 33:37 "YOU DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL? 33:39 EVERY RUSSIAN--MOST RUSSIAN DRINKS, YOU KNOW. 33:42 IT'S A STRANGE THING TO MEET A MAN WHO DOESN'T DRINK ALCOHOL." 33:45 I SAID, "NO, NO, NO. 33:47 I DON'T DRINK THE STUFF. 33:48 I HAVE A GREATER POWER AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE POWER 33:51 OF GOD DISPLAYED." 33:53 AND WE WENT IN AND SPOKE TO ALL OF HIS KGB OFFICERS, 33:55 1000 OF THEM. 33:58 >> DID THESE EVENTS DEEPEN YOUR FAITH? 34:01 >> YES, INDEED. 34:03 NOT ONLY DEEPEN MY FAITH, BUT BROADEN MY FAITH. 34:08 WHEN THE TIME CAME FOR A VAST BAPTISM IN THE RIVER VOLGA, 34:15 THE NIGHT BEFORE--THIS IS A TERRIBLE CONFESSION. 34:18 I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "SHOULD I BE BAPTIZING ALL THESE 34:22 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE? 34:24 THIS DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT." 34:26 BECAUSE WE DON'T BAPTIZE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE 34:28 IN AUSTRALIA. 34:29 WE DON'T BAPTIZE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA. 34:33 IN FACT, A PERSON WHO WAS A SPIRITUAL LEADER IN THIS 34:38 COUNTRY SENT ME A MESSAGE. 34:40 "DON'T BAPTIZE ALL THOSE PEOPLE. 34:43 CAN'T BE RIGHT. 34:45 SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING TO FOLLOW GOD, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 34:50 WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT, SO IT CAN'T BE RIGHT." 34:54 >> WERE YOU CONCERNED AS TO WHETHER THEY REALLY UNDERSTOOD 34:56 YOUR MESSAGE? 34:58 >> I WAS CONCERNED THAT I WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD. 35:01 THESE PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM HAD COME TO MEETINGS TWICE A DAY 35:04 FOR 6 WEEKS, BLESS YOUR HEART. 35:07 AND I'D PREACHED TO THEM STRONG BIBLE MESSAGES. 35:12 I'D PREACHED HERE AND HERE AND HERE AND THE PEOPLE 35:17 HAD BEEN GIVEN BIBLES. 35:18 WE GAVE OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BIBLES IN THAT CAMPAIGN 35:21 AND PEOPLE ARE READING IT IN A RUSSIAN VERSION. 35:25 I BELIEVE THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD HAD BROUGHT THE WORDS OF 35:29 HOLY SCRIPTURE AND THE TRUTH OF SALVATION HOME TO THESE PEOPLE. 35:34 AND WHO WAS I TO FORBID BAPTISM? 35:37 YOU SEE, GOD DOESN'T DO THINGS ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY BOOKS 35:42 ALWAYS. 35:44 WE'VE GOT IT ALL WRITTEN DOWN, HOW A PERSON COMES TO CHRIST, 35:49 HOW A PERSON IS GOING TO BE SAVED. 35:51 WELL, GOD NEVER WROTE ANY OF THOSE BOOKS. 35:53 HE WROTE THIS BOOK HERE. 35:56 AND SO OFTEN WE HAVE OUR OWN TRADITIONS AND OUR OWN IDEAS, 36:00 BUT THE TIME IS GOING TO COME WHEN THE CHURCH OF GOD IS GOING 36:03 TO BREAK FREE FROM--AND WHATEVER CHURCH YOU BELONG TO, 36:06 I'M SAYING THIS TO. 36:07 THE CHURCH WILL BREAK FREE FROM THE HINDRANCES OF MANMADE 36:11 TRADITIONS AND LET GOD BE GOD. 36:14 >> I'M REMINDED BY YOUR WORDS OF JESUS AND HIS MINISTRY HERE 36:18 ON EARTH, AND HOW, AT TIMES, NOT JUST BY THE OPPOSITION, BUT 36:23 BY THOSE WHO WERE HIS DISCIPLES HE WAS TOLD, "WELL, LORD, 36:28 YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT THAT WAY." 36:30 >> YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 36:33 THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS HAD BETTER WAYS OF DOING IT 36:35 THAN GOD HAS. 36:40 >> YOU ALSO PREACHED, AND THIS SORT OF RELATES BACK TO WHERE 36:47 WE ARE TODAY IN SOME OF THE THREATS ON OUR SOCIETY AND OUR 36:51 FAITH TODAY, BUT BACK THEN, YOU ALSO PREACHED TO A GATHERING 36:55 IN A CITY THAT WAS MOSTLY A GROUP OF MUSLIMS. 36:59 >> YES. 37:00 THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF KAZAN, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL OF 37:04 TATARSTAN. 37:06 TATARSTAN, THE COUNTRY OF THE TATARS. 37:09 THE TATARS WERE ONCE A FIERCE, BARBARIC, NOMADIC TRIBE OF 37:13 PEOPLE WHO FLOODED INTO RUSSIA AND CHASED A LOT OF 37:17 THE RUSSIANS OUT. 37:18 THEY WERE FORMIDABLE PEOPLE. 37:20 AND WE RECEIVED, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, AN AMAZING INVITATION 37:24 TO GO AND PREACH THERE. 37:26 AND IT CAME THROUGH A MAN WHO WATCHED OUR VIDEO PROGRAMS, 37:29 THE "CARTER REPORT" VIDEO PROGRAMS, 37:31 WHO WAS THE LEADER OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA IN THAT PART 37:34 OF THE WORLD. 37:36 >> SAY THAT AGAIN. 37:37 >> THE LEADER OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA. 37:39 HE HAD AN ARMY OF 400 PEOPLE WITH AK-47s 37:43 AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 37:45 AND THIS MAN WATCHED ONE TELEVISION PROGRAM, AND DURING 37:48 THE TELEVISION PROGRAM, HE WAS CONVERTED TO CHRIST. 37:51 AND THEN HE WATCHED THE REST. 37:53 HE SOLD HIS TREMENDOUS HOUSE, WHICH HE'D MADE OUT OF DRUGS 37:56 AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND BUILT US A MAGNIFICENT CHURCH. 38:01 THIS MAN WAS FRIENDS OF THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF KAZAN. 38:07 HE WENT TO HIM AND HE SAID, "I WANT YOU TO ALLOW JOHN CARTER 38:10 TO COME AND PREACH HERE." 38:11 HE SAID, "NEVER." 38:13 HE DIDN'T SAY, "OVER MY DEAD BODY." 38:15 HE SAID, "NO." 38:19 ILDAR SAID TO HIM, "IN THE NAME OF GOD. 38:23 REMEMBER, WE ARE FRIENDS. 38:25 WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS." 38:27 THEY WERE IN THE SAME ORGANIZATION. 38:29 HE SAID, "PLEASE." 38:30 THE MAYOR SAID, "GIVE ME THE PAPER." 38:32 HE TOOK THE PAPER, HE SIGNED HIS NAME FOR IT. 38:34 HE SAID, "THIS MAY BE MY DEATH SENTENCE." 38:37 BUT HE SIGNED HIS NAME ON THE PIECE OF PAPER AND THAT'S HOW 38:40 WE CAME TO THE CITY OF KAZAN. 38:42 BUT THEN WE COULDN'T GET THE AUDITORIUM, 38:44 THE BIG AUDITORIUM DOWNTOWN. 38:46 IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET. 38:48 BUT THIS MAN, THE LEADER OF THE MAFIA, WHO IS NOW AN EVANGELIST 38:53 BECAUSE OF THE POWER OF GOD, HE HAD A BUDDY. 38:57 HIS NAME WAS VASILY AND HE WAS BAPTIZED ALSO BECAUSE OF OUR 39:02 TELEVISION PROGRAMS. 39:04 HIS WIFE HAD A GIRLFRIEND AND SHE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF THE MAN 39:09 WHO OWNED THE AUDITORIUM. 39:11 AND SHE WENT TO HER FATHER AND SAID, "LET JOHN CARTER 39:15 HAVE THIS AUDITORIUM." 39:17 HE SAID, "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE." 39:19 BUT SHE SAID, "FATHER, PLEASE." 39:21 AND HE SAID, "ALL RIGHT." 39:23 AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE AUDITORIUM AND THAT'S HOW 39:26 WE CAME TO KAZAN. 39:28 AND NOW WE WERE TALKING IN A PROGRAM SOME TIME BACK. 39:32 I WAS INTERVIEWING AN ATTORNEY AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL 39:37 INTERVIEW AND IT'LL BE SEEN ON--LATER ON ON THIS TELEVISION 39:41 STATION. 39:44 ALAN REINACH IS THE ATTORNEY AND WE'D BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE 39:48 MOSLEMS AND HOW YOU HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE TERRIBLY EXTREME 39:53 AND YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE MODERATES. 39:56 THE LEADER OF THE MOSLEM FAITH CAME TO OUR MEETINGS IN KAZAN 40:01 AND HE CAME WITH ALL OF HIS DEPUTIES AND THEY SAT THERE. 40:06 AND WHEN I HAD AN ALTAR CALL AND I TALKED ABOUT COMING TO 40:10 GOD AND I ALSO--I QUOTED--I WAS QUOTING THE BIBLE AND I WAS 40:14 PREACHING AS HARD AS I COULD, PREACHING AS HARD AS I COULD 40:18 WITH THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, NOT HOLDING BACK. 40:20 AND THEN I WOULD QUOTE A BIT FROM THE KORAN. 40:24 YOU KNOW, I QUOTED A BIT FROM THE KORAN AND HE RESPONDED. 40:28 HE RAISED HIS HAND FOR PRAYER AND HE SENT ME--HE CAME TO ME 40:33 AT THE MESSAGE. 40:34 HE SAID, "WE DO NOT OPPOSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 40:37 YOU ARE DOING A GOOD WORK. 40:39 YOU'RE A GIFT FROM HEAVEN." 40:43 AND WE BAPTIZED HUNDREDS OF MOSLEMS IN FRONT OF THE MOSQUE, 40:48 ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MOSQUES IN THE WORLD, BUILT 40:51 WITH MONEY FROM SAUDI ARABIA. 40:53 IT IS AN OIL RICH PLACE, IS KAZAN. 40:57 AND THE BAPTISM WAS HELD IN FRONT OF THE MOSQUE 41:00 IN THE RIVER. 41:02 SO AS THE MOSLEMS SAY, GOD IS GREAT. 41:04 I WANT TO SAY TO THE CHURCH PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THE 41:07 PROGRAM, WHERE IS YOUR FAITH? 41:10 SOMETIMES WHEN GOD WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, YOU STOP IT. 41:14 YOU SAY, "IT CAN'T BE DONE." 41:16 AND MAYBE YOU'RE ON A CHURCH COMMITTEE THAT TALKS DOWN 41:18 EVERYTHING. 41:19 YOU SAY, "CAN'T BE DONE." 41:22 WE NEED TO STOP THIS SINFUL BEHAVIOR AND SAY NO 41:27 TO THE DEVIL AND YES TO GOD. 41:30 >> JOHN, I REMEMBER VERY EARLY IN MY YEARS IN WORKING IN RADIO 41:37 A YOUNG, FERVENT CHRISTIAN. 41:41 I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS, BUT I REMEMBER THE LESSON. 41:44 SOMEONE WANTED US TO WRITE A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT 41:49 A CERTAIN WAY AND I WAS RESISTANT TO IT. 41:54 AND MY STATION MANAGER CAME TO ME AND HE SAID, "WELL DAVE, WHY 41:58 WOULDN'T YOU WRITE IT THAT WAY? 42:01 WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM? 42:02 WHAT WOULD BE THE HARM?" 42:04 "WELL, WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY." 42:06 "WHO SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING A CERTAIN WAY?" 42:10 >> THE POLICY BOOK SAYS IT. 42:12 >> AND IT WAS A GREAT LESSON FOR ME. 42:14 YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU SEE EVENTS LIKE THIS 42:18 AND YOU SEE THE TREMENDOUS OUTPOURING OF NEED AND RESPONSE 42:23 TO THE GOSPEL, WE SEE TIME AFTER TIME IN THE WORD OF GOD 42:28 HOW MEN OF GOD ARE OVERWHELMED AT SEEING THE HAND OF THE LORD. 42:34 YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED AT TIMES IN YOUR 42:38 LIFE, LITERALLY DRIVEN TO YOUR KNEES IN AWE OF WHAT GOD 42:42 HAS DONE. 42:43 >> YEAH, BUT DRIVEN TO MY KNEES BECAUSE OF MY OWN, 42:48 PERSONAL NEED. 42:49 NOW DID I SAY IT TO YOU? 42:52 JOHN NEWTON, WHO GAVE US THE HYMN "AMAZING GRACE,' 42:55 SAID AT THE END OF HIS LIFE, "MY MEMORY IS ALMOST GONE." 42:59 HE SAID, "I AM BLIND. 43:00 AND--I WAS BLIND, BUT NOW I SEE." 43:03 HE SAID, "I WAS BLIND, BUT NOW I SEE SPIRITUAL TRUTH." 43:08 AND HE SAID, "I CAN REMEMBER TWO GREAT TRUTHS. 43:11 I AM A GREAT SINNER. 43:13 CHRIST IS A GREAT SAVIOR." 43:15 GOD CAN'T USE US UNTIL WE SEE THOSE TRUTHS. 43:19 MOST OF US DO NOT CONFESS THAT WE ARE GREAT SINNERS. 43:24 WE'RE SELF-RIGHTEOUS. 43:26 WE THINK THAT OUR POMPOUS RELIGIOSITY IS GOING TO SAVE US 43:31 WHEN POMPOUS RELIGIOSITY IS GOING TO KEEP US OUT OF 43:34 THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 43:36 AND ONE OF OUR GREAT--OUR GREATEST NEED IS TO SAY FROM 43:40 OUR HEARTS, "I AM A GREAT SINNER AND JESUS IS A GREAT 43:43 SAVIOR." 43:45 NOW I'M A GREAT SINNER. 43:47 THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID, "I AM THE CHIEF OF SINNERS." 43:52 THAT'S HOW HE SAW HIMSELF. 43:55 NOW THE CHURCH OF LAODICEA DOESN'T SEE ITSELF THIS WAY. 43:59 IT SAYS, "I AM RICH AND INCREASED WITH GOODS 44:02 AND IN NEED OF NOTHING." 44:03 THAT'S THE CRY OF THE PHARISEE AND THE PHARISEES 44:07 CRUCIFIED CHRIST. 44:10 BUT I'M VERY CONSCIOUS THAT I AM A GREAT SINNER AND CHRIST 44:14 IS A GREAT SAVIOR. 44:16 AND I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS MIGHTY TO SAVE AND I JUST WISH 44:20 THAT THE PEOPLE OF GOD COULD CAST ASIDE ALL OF THEIR 44:26 DOUBTINGS AND HAVE FAITH AND BELIEVE AND BELIEVE THAT JESUS 44:34 IS COMING SOON AND THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED 44:38 IN ALL THE WORLD. 44:39 NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING CAN STOP IT. 44:42 AND WE NEED TO SAY NO TO THE DEVIL AND YES TO GOD. 44:46 >> JOHN, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE HANDED 44:49 OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS, MAYBE BY THIS TIME HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 44:53 OF COPIES OF THE BIBLE IN ALL OF THESE MEETINGS ALL AROUND 44:57 THE WORLD. 44:58 >> HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. 45:00 >> IT IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT FOR A PERSON TO COME TO CHRIST, 45:03 TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO TURN THEIR LIFE OVER TO CHRIST, 45:06 TO GIVE THEIR HEART TO CHRIST. 45:08 BUT THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN THAT AND THAT'S WHY YOU GIVE 45:11 THEM THE BIBLE. 45:12 >> YEAH. 45:13 JESUS SAID, "IT IS WRITTEN MAN SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, 45:20 BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD." 45:24 SPURGEON, THE PRINCE OF PREACHERS FROM THE LONDON 45:28 TABERNACLE, DURING THE 19TH CENTURY SAID-- 45:33 THESE ARE QUAINT WORDS. 45:34 "LEAN CHRISTIANS OWN BIBLES, BUT FEED ON NEWSPAPERS." 45:40 SKINNY CHRISTIANS, ANEMIC CHRISTIANS. 45:43 IF HE WERE ALIVE TODAY, HE'D SAY, "ANEMIC CHRISTIANS OWN 45:46 BIBLES AND FEED ON TELEVISION AND OTHER JUNK." 45:54 AND SO CHRISTIANS TODAY ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT TO THE PEOPLE 45:57 IN THE WORLD. 45:59 THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE CONSUMED BY THE THINGS 46:02 OF THE WORLD. 46:04 SO ARE THE CHRISTIANS. 46:05 THEY LOOK AT THE SAME TELEVISION PROGRAMS, GO TO THE 46:07 SAME SHOWS, AND HARDLY KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE THE BIBLE. 46:11 WE ARE BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE. 46:13 AND BECAUSE WE ARE BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE, WE ARE ROBBED OF 46:17 THE POTENCY AND THE FORCE AND THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 46:21 WE NEED THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 46:23 >> MOST OF THOSE WATCHING US TODAY HAVE THIS BOOK, 46:27 THE BIBLE, GOD'S WORD IN THEIR HOME. 46:29 >> YES, EVERYBODY. 46:30 >> AND YET, FOR SO MANY IT IS RARELY OPENED. 46:34 PERHAPS IN TIMES OF NEED, BUT MAYBE THEN MORE 46:39 THAN ANY OTHER TIME. 46:40 WHAT'S IN THIS BOOK WAITING FOR THEM? 46:44 >> IT'S THE WORD OF GOD. 46:45 THE WORD OF GOD MADE THE UNIVERSE. 46:48 YOU KNOW WHEN LAZARUS DIED, HE WAS RESURRECTED. 46:52 JESUS SAID, "TAKE OFF THE GRAVE CLOTHES. 46:54 LET HIM GO." 46:56 THAT'S WHAT THE CHURCH NEEDS TO DO. 46:58 TAKE OFF THE GRAVE CLOTHES AND GO. 47:01 AND WE NEED TO BE RESURRECTED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 47:05 THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY BOOK. 47:07 THIS IS THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD. 47:10 IT IS THE LIVING WORD OF THE LIVING GOD. 47:13 THIS WORD IS WITH POWER. 47:16 PEOPLE ARE LIVING IMPOTENT, SHALLOW, FEEBLE, SINFUL, SICK, 47:22 LITTLE LIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE ROBBING THEMSELVES OF 47:25 THE POTENCY OF THE WORD OF GOD. 47:27 THAT'S WHY I HAVE A SAYING IN THIS CHURCH. 47:29 SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE ME AND I GUESS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. 47:33 READ YOUR BIBLE EVERY DAY. 47:34 I SAY IT TO THEM. 47:35 READ YOUR BIBLE. 47:36 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT ME AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING 47:39 TO GO HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA SPEND 40 OR 50 HOURS THIS WEEK 47:43 WATCHING TELEVISION AND MAYBE THE ONLY EXPOSURE THEY'RE GOING 47:46 TO GET TO THE WORD OF GOD WAS WHEN I WAS PREACHING IT. 47:51 AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY'VE GOT NO POWER IN THEIR LIVES. 47:54 NOW I KNOW THERE'S POWER IN THIS BOOK. 47:56 I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M AN OLD FASHIONED BIBLE PREACHER. 47:59 I'VE GONE INTO PLACES AND PREACHERS HAVE BEEN IN THE 48:02 AUDIENCE AND THEY'VE TOLD ME, "WE DON'T BRING OUR BIBLES 48:05 TO CHURCH ANYMORE." 48:06 WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM? 48:07 THEY REALLY NEED A SHAKEUP. 48:09 THEY NEED THEIR HEADS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND THEIR SOULS 48:13 TO BE EXPLORED. 48:16 I HAVE USED THIS BOOK AND STOOD BEFORE VAST AUDIENCES 48:19 OF UNBELIEVERS. 48:20 IN INDIA, I STOOD BEFORE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HINDUS 48:23 AND MOSLEMS, THE HARDEST PEOPLE IN 48:26 THE WORLD TO REACH, AND I PREACHED THE TEXTS 48:28 OF THE BIBLE. 48:30 LISTEN, I'M JUST A POOR SINNER. 48:32 I'M NOT A GREAT PREACHER. 48:34 I'M NOT GREAT AT ANYTHING, JUST AN ORDINARY PERSON. 48:38 BUT I PREACHED THIS WORD IN INDIA WITH POWER AND I SAW 48:42 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE MOVED. 48:46 I SAW THE SPIRIT OF GOD MANIFESTED. 48:49 THE SPIRIT OF GOD, DAVE, DOES NOTHING IN OPPOSITION TO 48:54 THE WORD, NOTHING CONTRARY TO THE WORD, AND NOTHING APART 48:59 FROM THE WORD. 49:00 PEOPLE SAY, "OH, I GOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD." 49:03 WELL, YOU HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IF YOU HAVE THE WORD 49:06 BECAUSE THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT WORK TOGETHER. 49:08 SO I'VE SEEN IT IN AFRICA. 49:11 I'VE SEEN IT IN AUSTRALIA. 49:13 I'VE SEEN IT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 49:15 I'VE SEEN IT IN THE PHILIPPINES. 49:17 I'VE SEEN IT IN JAMAICA. 49:19 I SAW IT RECENTLY WHEN I WAS PREACHING IN HONG KONG 49:22 AND MADE AN ALTAR CALL. 49:24 I'VE SEEN IT IN RUSSIA, UKRAINE. 49:27 I'VE SEEN IT IN SO MANY PLACES THAT THE POWER IS NOT 49:29 IN THE MAN, THE POWER IS IN THE WORD OF GOD. 49:33 >> YOU HAVE GIVEN OUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BIBLES. 49:35 WHERE DO YOU GET THEM FROM? 49:37 WHERE'S THE MONEY COME FROM? 49:39 >> THE MONEY COMES FROM THE PEOPLE OF GOD, THE LAOS. 49:43 THE WORD LAOS IS A NEW TESTAMENT TERM 49:46 THAT WE CALL ABOUT THE LAITY. 49:48 THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LAITY IN THE SENSE THAT YOU GOT 49:51 THE LAITY AND THE CLERGY. 49:53 THAT IS AN ABOMINABLE TEACHING. 49:56 IT'S NOT TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE AT ALL. 49:59 THERE'S ONLY THE LAOS, THE PEOPLE OF GOD. 50:01 PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, THE CHURCH SAYS. 50:06 THE CHURCH SAYS THIS AND--" WHAT'S THE CHURCH? 50:09 THE CHURCH IS MADE UP OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD. 50:12 IT'S PEOPLE WHO TRULY BELIEVE IN JESUS AND, BY THE GRACE 50:18 OF GOD, FOLLOW HIS WORD. 50:20 THAT'S THE CHURCH. 50:21 THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW JESUS, WHO FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD. 50:26 AND I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH 50:28 OF GOD, THE LAOS, THE TRUE LAITY, THEY'VE SAID, 50:33 "WE BELIEVE YOUR VISION. 50:34 WE BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING." 50:36 I WAS OVER IN THE CITY OF CANBERRA, WENT TO THE GREAT NEW 50:40 PARLIAMENT HOUSE THAT THE AUSSIES HAVE BUILT IN CANBERRA, 50:44 SPENT MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS ON THAT BUILDING. 50:47 CAN'T SEE WHERE THEY PUT IT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. 50:49 BUT I WAS THERE AND I MET SOME FRIENDS THAT I HADN'T SEEN 50:53 FOR 30 YEARS, EDDIE AND NANCY PEETS. 50:56 THEY'D BEEN MISSIONARIES IN PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES 50:59 AROUND THE WORLD. 51:00 AS WE STARTED TALKING, EDDIE, WHO WAS A TREASURER OF THE 51:05 ORGANIZATION--NOW THE TREASURERS ARE USUALLY THE 51:09 TOUGHEST PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU AS LITTLE 51:12 AS THEY CAN GIVE YOU. 51:13 I DON'T GET ANYTHING FROM THE TREASURERS ANYMORE. 51:16 THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN HELPING THIS WORK. 51:18 BUT EDDIE SAID TO ME, HE SAID, "THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, 51:22 PREACHING THE GOSPEL." 51:23 HE SAID, "THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT." 51:25 HE SAID, "A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF THAT VISION, 51:27 BUT PREACHING THE GOSPEL AND PREACHING IT WITH POWER 51:31 AND PREACHING THE BIBLE IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT." 51:34 EDDIE'S RIGHT. 51:35 THAT'S WHAT JESUS SAID. 51:36 WHY DON'T WE BELIEVE JESUS? 51:39 >> IT'S A GREAT CHALLENGE TO THOSE WHO LISTEN 51:44 TO WHAT YOU TEACH. 51:45 IT'S A GREAT CHALLENGE TO THOSE WHO WATCH US TODAY TO ACTUALLY 51:50 GET INVOLVED, TO BE A PART OF THIS, AND TO SEE THE HAND 51:54 OF GOD IN THEIR OWN LIFE AND TO SEE THE HAND OF GOD 51:58 IN WHAT THEY SUPPORT. 52:01 I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN THE HAND OF GOD OVER ALL THESE YEARS. 52:04 IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR SO MANY OTHERS TO COME ALONG 52:07 WITH YOU IN THIS WAY. 52:08 >> I'VE TAKEN HEAPS AND HEAPS OF--HUNDREDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE, 52:11 OLDER PEOPLE TO RUSSIA, UKRAINE, JAMAICA, 52:14 THE PHILIPPINES. 52:15 I'M TAKING PEOPLE TO JOHANNESBURG. 52:19 I TRY TO TAKE PEOPLE WITH ME SO THEY'LL SEE THE FIRE AND 52:23 THEY'LL GET SOME FIRE INSIDE. 52:25 AND IF THEY GET SOME FIRE INSIDE, WHEN THEY GO BACK 52:28 THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LIGHT SOME OTHER FIRES. 52:31 >> I WANT TO TALK FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE YOU MADE REFERENCE 52:33 TO JOHANNESBURG. 52:34 AND AGAIN I WANT TO SHOW THIS TO OUR VIEWERS THAT 52:37 THIS IS WHAT'S COMING UP. 52:39 >> YES, IT IS. 52:40 >> AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND THE POSSIBILITIES 52:43 FOR JUST A MOMENT. 52:45 JOHANNESBURG. 52:46 THIS IS ONE OF THE FLIERS THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE. 52:49 >> FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THOSE. 52:52 >> LOOK AT THIS GOOD LOOKING GUY ON THE BACK. 52:54 >> OH YEAH, YEAH. 52:55 >> THEY'RE GIVING A PREVIEW OF WHO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE. 52:58 >> HIS GOOD LOOKING DAYS ARE OVER. 53:00 SOMEBODY SAID THIS. 53:01 "TIME MIGHT BE A GREAT HEALER, BUT IT'S NOT A GREAT 53:03 BEAUTIFIER." 53:05 >> I'LL LET THAT GO. 53:06 >> OKAY. 53:08 >> BECAUSE WHAT IS INTRIGUING TO ME IS THE TOPICS THAT YOU'RE 53:12 GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THESE ARE GOING TO MEAN 53:15 TO THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA. 53:17 "AMAZING DISCOVERIES IN LOST CITIES OF THE DEAD." 53:21 WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? 53:22 >> THAT'S ON THE LAND OF EGYPT, THE PROPHECIES. 53:26 IT'S ABOUT QUEEN HATSHEPSUT AND THUTMOSIS III, WHO WE THINK 53:30 WAS PROBABLY THE PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS. 53:34 >> WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL SOIL IN SOUTH AFRICA? 53:38 >> WELL, I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT, I'D GUESS. 53:41 BUT WHEN I WAS OVER THERE RECENTLY, PREACHING, GETTING 53:43 READY FOR THESE MEETINGS, I FOUND THERE WAS 53:46 A GREAT RECEPTIVITY. 53:47 THE ADVERTISING PEOPLE WHO CAME WHO WERE GOING TO PUT OUR 53:51 TELEVISION ADS ON JOHANNESBURG TELEVISION--IN FACT, 50 MILLION 53:56 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE. 53:58 OUR ADS, WHEN THEY GO TO AIR RIGHT ACROSS SOUTH 54:01 AFRICA--THERE WAS A JEWISH MAN WHO WAS PRETTY MUCH 54:05 IN CHARGE OF THE GROUP. 54:07 HE STARTED ASKING ME QUESTIONS. 54:09 "WHERE DID WE COME FROM?" 54:10 HE SAID, "I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE. 54:14 WHERE ARE WE GOING?" 54:16 I SAID, "THIS IS WHY WE'RE COMING. 54:18 LET ME TELL YOU A FEW LITTLE THINGS." 54:20 HE SAID TO ME, "I'LL BE THERE." 54:23 THE REST OF HIS STAFF SAID, "WE'LL BE THERE. 54:26 WE WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW." 54:32 SO MANY PEOPLE TODAY ARE AIMLESS. 54:36 THEY DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THE BIG QUESTIONS OF LIFE. 54:41 MY ORIGIN, WHERE DID I COME FROM? 54:43 WHO AM I? 54:44 AM I SIMPLY A THING? 54:47 AM I AN ANIMAL? 54:48 THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNISTS TOLD THEM. 54:50 I USED TO PREACH IN RUSSIA AND SHOUTED OUT, WHEN I 54:53 PREACHED ON THE CREATION, "YOU ARE NOT AN ANIMAL. 54:56 YOU ARE NOT A MACHINE. 54:57 YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD. 55:00 YOU'RE NOT A THING. 55:01 GOD LOVES YOU. 55:02 EVERY PERSON HERE IS DISTINCT AND GLORIOUS. 55:05 YOU WERE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. 55:08 YOU ARE UNSPEAKABLY IMPORTANT." 55:11 THAT'S WHAT I SAY TO EVERY PERSON WATCHING THE TELEVISION 55:13 PROGRAM. 55:14 YOU ARE UNSPEAKABLY IMPORTANT. 55:16 AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME FROM. 55:19 WHY ARE WE HERE? 55:21 WE HAVE A PURPOSE. 55:22 WE TALK ABOUT THAT. 55:23 WHERE ARE WE GOING? 55:25 I PICKED UP A MAGAZINE IN NEW YORK AND IT SHOWED A BIG 55:29 ESCALATOR, THE HUMAN RACE STARTING OFF AS NOTHING AND 55:32 THEN BECOMING A PRINCE AND A PHARAOH AND 20TH CENTURY, 55:36 21ST CENTURY MAN AND WALL STREET-ER 55:39 AND ALL THE REST OF IT. 55:40 AND THEN AT THE END OF THE ESCALATOR, IT HAD A CLIFF. 55:43 EVERYBODY WAS FALLING OFF INTO OBLIVION. 55:46 THAT'S WHAT THIS MAGAZINE WAS--I THINK IT WAS 55:48 THE NEW YORKER. 55:50 I MAY BE WRONG. 55:52 BUT WE DON'T GO OVER THE CLIFF. 55:54 IF WE CAN GET TO KNOW THE CREATOR GOD, WE'RE NOT GOING 55:57 TO GO OVER THE CLIFF. 55:59 WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PARADISE. 56:01 >> AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN 56:04 YOU IN DOING SOMETHING AND IN ACCOMPLISHING A GREAT WORK 56:07 IN SOUTH AFRICA. 56:09 I KNOW YOU LOVE TO GET LETTERS FROM 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