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Jim & John - John Carter Talks To Jim Gilley

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00:00 [MUSIC]
00:07 >> FROM ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA, "THE CARTER REPORT" PRESENTS
00:10 THE LIVING WORD AROUND THE WORLD.
00:17 >> HELLO, FRIEND.
00:18 I'M JOHN CARTER AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WARMEST WELCOME
00:21 TODAY TO THIS PROGRAM.
00:23 THIS IS A SPECIAL PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAVE WITH US HERE
00:27 TODAY IN "THE CARTER REPORT" STUDIO, A VERY SPECIAL PERSON,
00:31 AN OLD BUDDY OF MINE, DR. JAMES GILLEY,
00:36 THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN, WHICH OF COURSE STANDS FOR THREE
00:40 ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK.
00:44 I'M GOING TO ASK DR. GILLEY A NUMBER OF PERTINENT,
00:47 SEARCHING QUESTIONS DURING THIS TELECAST, ONE BEING WHAT
00:52 MAKES 3ABN SO DIFFERENT TO ALL THE OTHER TELEVISION STATIONS?
00:58 AND WHAT IS THIS BUSINESS ABOUT THREE ANGELS PREACHING
01:03 THIS SPECIAL GOSPEL?
01:05 IS IT A SPECIAL GOSPEL?
01:08 AND SO THIS IS WHAT THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE TODAY.
01:10 IT IS GOING TO BE DIRECT AND FORCEFUL, AND YOU ARE GOING
01:14 TO BE BLESSED.
01:18 >> THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT A PASTOR SHOULDN'T DO.
01:22 HE SHOULDN'T TELL LIES AND HE SHOULDN'T RETIRE.
01:27 THAT'S WHY I PLAN TO KEEP ON KEEPING ON WHILE GOD CAN
01:31 STILL USE ME.
01:32 WHILE THESE LUNGS ARE WORKING AND WHILE THIS MOUTH IS TALKING
01:36 AND WHILE JESUS IS STILL ALIVE AND I'M STILL ALIVE, I PLAN
01:40 TO KEEP ON PREACHING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL.
01:44 WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME?
01:45 WILL YOU SUPPORT US IN THIS GREAT WORK?
01:47 LISTEN, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN URGENT INVITATION FROM
01:51 THE CHURCH IN INDIA.
01:53 THEY'RE SAYING, "COME OVER AND HELP US."
01:57 WHAT A CHALLENGE, MY FRIEND.
01:58 DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE LAND OF INDIA?
02:01 MORE THAN A THOUSAND MILLION PEOPLE.
02:05 AND THE PLACE IS FULL OF DEMONS AND EVIL SPIRITS.
02:09 THEY DON'T WANT THIS CAMPAIGN, THOSE EVIL SPIRITS, BUT I WANT
02:12 YOU TO KNOW JESUS IS STRONGER THAN THE EVIL SPIRITS.
02:17 LAST TIME WE WENT TO INDIA, WE HAD TREMENDOUS OPPOSITION,
02:20 OUR LIVES WERE THREATENED, BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE'RE
02:24 GOING TO GO BACK BECAUSE JESUS HAS CALLED US TO GO.
02:28 WHEN WE WENT THERE LAST TIME, WE SAW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
02:31 COMING TO CHRIST.
02:32 ONE NIGHT, 30,000 PEOPLE CAME TO CHRIST, HINDUS AND MUSLIMS.
02:34 WE'RE PRAYING JESUS,
02:39 DO IT AGAIN.
02:40 PLEASE SUPPORT US.
02:42 PLEASE WRITE TO ME, JOHN CARTER
02:44 POST OFFICE BOX 1900 THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA
02:48 91358.
02:49 IN AUSTRALIA, WRITE TO ME, PLEASE, AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL.
02:55 THE ADDRESS IS RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN.
02:57 LISTEN, MY FRIEND, I NEED YOUR PRAYERS, I NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
03:02 PLEASE PRAY FOR US.
03:03 I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU.
03:05 WRITE TODAY AND GOD BLESS YOU.
03:09 [MUSIC]
03:19 >> WELCOME TODAY TO "THE CARTER REPORT,"
03:21 THIS VERY SPECIAL PROGRAM WITH A VERY SPECIAL GUEST,
03:24 DR. JIM GILLEY OF 3ABN.
03:28 HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN AND HE'S AN OLD FRIEND.
03:32 PASTOR GILLEY, I AM DELIGHTED TODAY TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR
03:37 SPIRITUAL HOME HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA,
03:39 IN BEAUTIFUL ARCADIA.
03:41 >> WELL, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE AND I AM CERTAINLY IMPRESSED,
03:44 NOT ONLY WITH THE BUILDINGS AND THE WAY GOD HAS BLESSED
03:48 THIS MINISTRY, BUT ALSO WITH YOUR STAFF
03:51 AND THE VERY WONDERFUL, FRIENDLY RESPONSE THAT
03:55 I RECEIVED WHEN I GOT HERE AND WELCOME THAT THEY GAVE
03:58 TO ME.
03:59 >> YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE TELLS US TO LOVE PEOPLE, BUT IT EVEN
04:03 TELLS YOU--WELL, IT TELLS YOU TO LOVE ALL PEOPLE.
04:06 THAT INCLUDES TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES.
04:08 BUT I TELL MY CHURCH FOLKS THERE'S SOMETHING EVEN MORE
04:11 IMPORTANT THAN JUST--WELL, MAYBE NOT MORE IMPORTANT, BUT VERY
04:14 IMPORTANT THAN LOVING PEOPLE.
04:16 THAT'S LIKING PEOPLE.
04:18 >> ALL RIGHT.
04:18 >> OKAY?
04:19 >> OKAY.
04:20 >> YOU DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
04:22 YOU GOT TO LOVE THEM, THOUGH.
04:22 BUT NOT ONLY DO WE LOVE YOU,
04:26 WE LIKE YOU TOO.
04:27 >> WELL, WE LIKE YOU, JOHN.
04:28 AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY FAVORITE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE
04:31 ON 3ABN.
04:32 YOU'VE BEEN WITH 3ABN A LONG TIME.
04:34 >> YEAH, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG?
04:35 >> NO.
04:36 >> I DO.
04:37 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG-- >> TWENTY-FOUR PLUS YEARS.
04:41 ABOUT 24 AND A HALF YEARS.
04:43 >> SO WE WERE ONLY THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AT THE MOST
04:45 WHEN YOU CAME-- >> OH, I DON'T THINK--I MAY
04:49 HAVE--I THINK WE WENT ON 3ABN AT THE END OF '86.
04:55 >> YEAH, OKAY.
04:56 WELL, THAT WAS VERY EARLY IN THE TELECAST HISTORY OF 3ABN.
05:01 >> I USED TO GO UP THERE AND SEE DANNY.
05:04 AND HE'S A SPECIAL PERSON TO US.
05:07 AND YOU ARE A SPECIAL PERSON.
05:08 I FIRST GOT TO KNOW YOU IN SYDNEY, WHEN I WAS THE PASTOR
05:14 OF THE WAHROONGA CHURCH.
05:16 WHAT A NAME, WAHROONGA.
05:18 >> IN FACT, I REMEMBER GOING TO THAT CHURCH AND VISITING YOU.
05:21 AND I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE TITLE THAT DAY.
05:25 >> OH, YOU WERE?
05:26 >> YEAH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS?
05:27 >> YES, I DO.
05:28 >> AND THE TITLE WAS "WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE
05:31 MOTHER TERESA IN HEAVEN."
05:33 AND BOY, I COULDN'T WAIT TO GET THERE TO FIND OUT HOW'S HE GONNA
05:36 GET OUT OF THIS.
05:37 >> YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE REALLY MAD WITH ME BECAUSE
05:40 I HAD A BIG SIGN UP OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.
05:41 >> I SAW.
05:42 THAT'S WHAT I SAW.
05:43 >> AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL TRYING TO GET ALONG WITH
05:44 MOTHER TERESA'S PEOPLE.
05:46 AND THEY SAID, "WHAT'S THIS GUY DOING?
05:47 HE'S PUTTING UP A SIGN, 'WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE
05:50 MOTHER TERESA IN HEAVEN.'" >> YES.
05:52 AND WHAT WAS THE ANSWER?
05:54 >> WELL, IT'S THE STORY OF JOHN WESLEY
05:58 AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD.
06:01 WESLEY WAS AN ARMENIAN, BIT LIKE ADVENTISTS,
06:04 AND WHITEFIELD WAS A CALVINIST LIKE THE PRESBYTERIANS.
06:10 AND THESE TWO GREAT PREACHERS, NOT ORDINARY PREACHERS--I THINK
06:16 PROBABLY GEORGE WHITEFIELD WAS THE GREAT ORATIST SINCE
06:19 THE APOSTLE PAUL.
06:21 AND THEY HAD THEIR THEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES.
06:25 THEOLOGY CAN DIVIDE, BUT PREACHING THE GOSPEL
06:29 UNITES.
06:30 AND THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE UNITED.
06:32 WHAT A TRAGEDY, JIM, THAT PEOPLE ALLOW THEOLOGICAL ISSUES
06:36 TO TURN THEM INTO ENEMIES.
06:40 >> RIGHT.
06:41 >> AND SO GEORGE WHITEFIELD DIED AS A RELATIVELY YOUNG MAN.
06:46 AND AT HIS FUNERAL, JOHN WESLEY, THE REVEREND JOHN WESLEY, WHO
06:52 RAISED UP THE METHODIST CHURCH, MADE THESE REMARKABLY POSITIVE
06:57 REMARKS ABOUT GEORGE WHITEFIELD AND HOW HE WOULD BE SHINING
07:02 THERE IN THE GLORY LAND.
07:05 AND AFTER THE SERMON, A LITTLE, OLD LADY WITH A LONG NOSE CAME
07:08 AND SHE SAID, "MR. WESLEY, YOU DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE WHAT
07:13 YOU WERE SAYING BECAUSE YOU WERE SO MUCH ANTAGONISTIC
07:19 WITH THE THEOLOGY.
07:21 YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN?"
07:24 AND HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE GEORGE WHITEFIELD
07:28 IN HEAVEN."
07:29 "OH," SHE SAID, "I WAS RIGHT.
07:30 YOU DIDN'T LIKE HIM."
07:31 HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T EXPECT HIM TO BE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE HE WILL
07:36 BE SO CLOSE TO THE THRONE OF GOD AND I'LL BE SO FAR BACK THAT
07:40 I DON'T EXPECT THAT I'LL SEE HIM IN HEAVEN."
07:43 >> AND THAT WAS YOUR ANSWER FOR MOTHER TERESA THAT DAY,
07:46 ON THAT OCCASION.
07:47 AND AS I CAME OUT THE DOOR, I SHOOK YOUR HAND
07:50 AND INTRODUCED MYSELF.
07:51 AND THEN LATER, YOU CALLED ME AT THE HOTEL WHERE WE WERE STAYING
07:55 AND TOOK US OUT TO THE COLLEGE.
07:57 WE HAD A WONDERFUL DAY, CAMILLE AND I DID WITH YOU
08:00 THAT DAY.
08:01 AND A FRIENDSHIP BEGAN THAT CONTINUED AND HAS CONTINUED
08:07 TO THIS DAY.
08:07 THAT WAS LIKE 26 YEARS AGO OR MORE.
08:10 >> WELL, I DISCOVERED A KINDRED SPIRIT.
08:14 >> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
08:15 >> I DISCOVERED A MAN WHO LOVED JESUS, A MAN WHO BELIEVES
08:16 THE TRUE GOSPEL.
08:20 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT GOSPELS.
08:22 THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF ANTINOMIANISM THAT SAYS THAT
08:26 THE LAW OF GOD IS ABOLISHED.
08:28 THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF LEGALISM THAT SAYS THAT IT'S BY YOUR
08:32 ATTAINMENT.
08:34 BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S BY HIS ATONEMENT.
08:36 >> AMEN, ABSOLUTELY.
08:38 >> SO WE GOT ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH AND WE'VE BEEN ON
08:41 THE SAME WAVELENGTH EVER SINCE.
08:43 >> EVER SINCE, THAT'S RIGHT.
08:44 WE GOT BACK TOGETHER AT GENERAL CONFERENCE, 1985,
08:48 IN NEW ORLEANS.
08:49 AND THEN YOU WERE CALLED TO COME TO FORT WORTH AND THE REST
08:54 IS HISTORY.
08:57 >> AND I WANT THE FOLKS WHO ARE LISTENING TODAY AND WATCHING,
08:59 I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS.
09:01 WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO TEXAS, WHAT SORT OF STATE?
09:04 GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
09:08 >> AS BEN LEECH WOULD SAY.
09:09 >> YEAH, THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
09:11 IN FACT, I TOLD THE--I DID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW,
09:15 IN A METHODOLOGY THAT I SHOULD HAVE OVERCOME YEARS AGO.
09:21 I TOLD THE TEXANS, I SAID, "TEXAS, YOU CAN GET 20 TEXAS'
09:27 AND STICK 'EM INSIDE AUSTRALIA."
09:29 THEY SAID, "THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE."
09:31 THEY SAID, "THERE'S NO COUNTRY AS BIG AS TEXAS."
09:33 [LAUGHING] >> BUT YOU WENT BEFORE ME IN
09:40 TEXAS AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME
09:44 THERE.
09:45 >> WELL, WE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU, I GUARANTEE YOU.
09:47 >> OH, YOU DID MORE THAN THAT.
09:49 YOU WERE A BROTHER AND A FRIEND.
09:52 AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL.
09:56 >> WELL, WE LOVE THE CARTER FAMILY, AND SAW DAVID HERE
09:59 TODAY.
10:00 AND MY FAMILY HAS SAID, "BE SURE TO TELL PASTOR CARTER
10:05 AND BEVERLY AND DAVID AND THE ENTIRE FAMILY
10:09 HELLO FOR US."
10:10 >> WELL, YOU TELL 'EM THAT GOD LOVES THEM AND WE LOVE THEM TOO.
10:14 >> ALL RIGHT.
10:16 >> HOW DID YOU BECOME PRESIDENT OF 3ABN?
10:19 >> WELL, THAT'S QUITE A STORY.
10:20 AND I HAD INVITED DANNY--I WAS PASTORING IN DALLAS.
10:25 I HAD DECIDED--WAS A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
10:29 AND WENT TO THE DIVISION AS VICE PRESIDENT--
10:32 >> VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION.
10:35 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10:36 AND SO I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO SORT OF FINISH MY MINISTRY
10:43 AS A PASTOR.
10:43 IN FACT, AS I'VE SAT HERE TODAY IN YOUR CHURCH, I HAVE FELT
10:48 THOSE JUICES, THOSE PASTORAL JUICES, AS A PASTOR/EVANGELIST,
10:53 YOU KNOW, AND FEEL THOSE JUICES FLOWING.
10:57 AND IT'S A GREAT TEMPTATION.
10:59 SO THEY ASKED ME TO GO TO DALLAS.
11:01 >> WOULD YOU LIKE A JOB?
11:05 >> WELL, I WENT TO DALLAS AND WHEN I GOT TO DALLAS,
11:10 THE LORD JUST BLESSED TREMENDOUSLY.
11:12 >> AND IT'S A GREAT CITY.
11:13 >> IT IS.
11:13 AND THAT'S A GREAT CHURCH.
11:14 I HAD BEEN AT CHURCH OF MY YOUTH.
11:17 THEY CALLED ME TO COME THERE.
11:19 I SAID NO AT FIRST.
11:20 THEN THE SECOND TIME THEY CALLED, I FELT THAT WE SHOULD
11:22 REALLY PRAY ABOUT IT.
11:24 WE DID, FELT IMPRESSED, AND WE WENT.
11:26 AND I'M SO GLAD WE DID BECAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF FELLOWS
11:30 THERE, A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF MICHAEL SHULA, THAT WANTED ME
11:34 TO DO TELEVISION.
11:36 AND SO HE BROUGHT ALL OF HIS TELEVISION EQUIPMENT, AND HE HAD
11:40 ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF TV EQUIPMENT AT LEAST,
11:44 SET IT UP IN THE CHURCH, AND WE STARTED DOING TELEVISION
11:47 ON LOCAL CHANNEL.
11:49 THAT GAVE ME A LITTLE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I REALLY HAD HAD NO
11:52 TELEVISION EXPERIENCE AT ALL.
11:55 DANNY CAME.
11:56 WE INVITED DANNY SHELTON TO COME FOR A WEEKEND.
11:57 AND, BY THE WAY, I HAD NO IDEA
12:02 HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR 3ABN TO GO FOR A WEEKEND LIKE THAT.
12:05 I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO DO IT NOW TO COME TO MY CHURCH 'CAUSE
12:09 IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE.
12:11 BUT DANNY, BOY, YOU KNOW HOW DANNY IS.
12:13 HE JUST--HE CAME-- >> HE'S A VISIONARY.
12:16 >> HE IS.
12:17 AND WE HAD A TREMENDOUS TIME, SO I SAID, "COME BACK NEXT YEAR."
12:20 I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, IF I'D HAVE JUST KNOWN, I WOULD
12:24 NEVER HAVE HAD THE COURAGE.
12:25 AND THE NEXT YEAR HE DID, HE CAME BACK, HE CAME BACK
12:28 IN AUGUST.
12:29 AND AT THAT TIME, HE SAID TO ME, "YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE LIST
12:34 TO BE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN."
12:36 I SAID, "DANNY, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 2 YEARS."
12:38 HE SAID, "WELL," HE SAID, "WE NEED A PRESIDENT VERY BADLY."
12:41 HE WAS HAVING A REAL HEALTH CHALLENGE AT THE TIME.
12:45 AND I SAID, "WELL--" HE SAID, "YOU'RE NUMBER THREE
12:48 ON THE LIST."
12:48 I SAID, "WHEW, MAN, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT ONE OF THOSE OTHER
12:53 TWO GUYS WOULD BE SELECTED."
12:56 FACT, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST WAS SELECTED, BUT HE WANTED TO NOT
13:01 ONLY DO THAT, BUT CONTINUE WITH THE POSITION THAT HE HAD AT
13:04 THE TIME, WHICH WAS OUT HERE ON THE WEST COAST, AND EVERYBODY
13:07 KNEW THAT WOULD NOT WORK.
13:10 AND SO THEY--I THOUGHT, "WELL, GOOD, THAT'S GREAT.
13:15 I MEAN, HE DIDN'T TAKE IT, BUT THE SECOND FELLOW WILL
13:17 FOR SURE TAKE IT."
13:19 I KNEW WHO HE WAS AND I KNEW THAT HE WANTED THE POSITION.
13:22 AND I GET A CALL FROM DANNY.
13:24 THEY HAD SKIPPED OVER NUMBER TWO AND HAD GONE TO ME.
13:28 AND I WAS SHOCKED.
13:30 BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING?
13:31 WE BEGAN TO PRAY.
13:33 GOD BEGAN TO MAKE IT SO ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, JOHN,
13:36 THAT THIS IS WHAT I WAS TO DO.
13:38 AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME ON THIS PROGRAM TO GO THROUGH ALL THE
13:41 DIFFERENT ABSOLUTE, UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES THAT TOOK PLACE,
13:46 INCLUDING THE SALE OF A HOUSE IMMEDIATELY AT FULL PRICE, WHICH
13:50 WAS NOT HAPPENING IN THAT MARKET AT THAT TIME.
13:54 >> IT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS.
13:55 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
13:56 AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GLAD TO HAVE TAKEN EVEN A LOSS.
14:00 BUT WE PRAYED AND WE SAID, "LORD, IT WAS KIND OF A FLEECE.
14:03 HELP US TO SELL THIS HOUSE SOMEWHERE NEAR FULL PRICE."
14:06 HE GAVE US FULL PRICE AND WITHOUT COMING OFF EVEN A
14:10 DIME OFF THE ASKING PRICE.
14:12 SO THIS--THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS LIKE THIS, JOHN,
14:15 THAT JUST HAPPENED AND WE JUST KNEW THIS IS WHAT THE LORD
14:18 WANTED US TO DO.
14:20 >> YOU'VE SERVED GOD AND THE CHURCH AS A PASTOR,
14:22 AS AN EVANGELIST,
14:27 AS A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, AS THE VICE PRESIDENT
14:30 OF THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION.
14:34 WHY IS 3ABN DIFFERENT?
14:37 >> 3ABN IS AN UNBELIEVABLE MINISTRY.
14:42 THE OUTREACH THAT IT HAS--YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS AT THE
14:46 DIVISION, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AND ACTUALLY THE LEGAL
14:52 PRESIDENT OF ALL THE MEDIA CENTER MINISTRIES.
14:55 AND THAT, AT THAT TIME, I WAS, YOU KNOW, FEELING LIKE, "WOW,
15:02 WE'RE REACHING THE WORLD."
15:03 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ONLY REACHING WITH THOSE PROGRAMS
15:07 1 HOUR OR 30 MINUTES A WEEK, SEE.
15:11 WITH 3ABN, IT'S 24/7.
15:16 IT'S ON 135 STATIONS THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE U.S.
15:20 >> A HUNDRED AND THIRTY-FIVE STATIONS.
15:22 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
15:22 >> THAT YOU OWN.
15:23 >> THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE U.S., PLUS 1200 CABLE OUTLETS
15:28 ON DISH NETWORK.
15:30 AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE WITH VERIZON FIOS, WE'RE WITH AT&T.
15:36 SO PEOPLE CAN GET US IN THESE PACKAGES WHERE THEY GET THEIR
15:39 PHONE AND THEIR SATELLITE TELEVISION AND THEY GET THEIR
15:43 INTERNET.
15:44 AND THEN ON THE INTERNET NOW.
15:46 AND WE HAVE FIVE OF OUR CHANNELS THAT ARE ON THE INTERNET.
15:51 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THE RESULTS OF THAT, IT'S AN IMPACT
15:56 THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
15:58 AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR--WE'RE IN OUR 26TH YEAR THAT
16:02 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.
16:03 >> YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED UP 3ABN.
16:07 >> I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT IT WHATSOEVER.
16:08 IT'S AN ABSOLUTE, TOTAL MIRACLE.
16:11 YOU KNOW, YOU AND I WERE BOTH VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THAT PERIOD.
16:14 >> YES, WE WERE.
16:15 >> I KNEW THE CLIMATE OF THE TIME.
16:17 I HAD GONE TO THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT MYSELF AND
16:22 SLIPPED INTO HIS OFFICE DURING THE NOON HOUR, KNOWING THAT IT
16:25 WAS HIS HABIT TO SIT THERE AND EAT A SANDWICH IN THE DARK
16:29 END OF HIS OFFICE.
16:30 HE'D TURN THE LIGHTS OFF.
16:31 >> ELDER WILSON?
16:32 >> YEAH, WONDERFUL MAN.
16:33 FANTASTIC MAN.
16:35 AND LOVED HIM SO MUCH.
16:37 HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM.
16:39 BUT WHEN I SAID TO HIM, "ELDER, WE HAVE GOT TO BEGIN
16:43 A TELEVISION MINISTRY," HE JUST--HE PUT HIS HAND TO HIS
16:48 HEAD AND HE SAID, "OH, BROTHER GILLEY,
16:51 YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT."
16:54 AND AT THAT TIME, OF COURSE, THE CHALLENGES OF THE CHURCH
16:58 WERE UNBELIEVABLE.
16:59 THEY HAD THE FDR CHALLENGE, FORD, DAVENPORT, AND RAY.
17:03 AND THE CHURCH WAS ROCKED AT THAT TIME.
17:06 AND TO TAKE ON ANOTHER THING--AND THEN A COUPLE OF GUYS
17:10 OUT THERE IN ILLINOIS TOOK IT ON.
17:13 AND THE REST, AS THEY SAY, IS HISTORY.
17:17 >> A COUPLE OF LAYPEOPLE.
17:18 >> YES.
17:19 YEAH, A COUPLE OF GUY-- DANNY SHELTON WAS THE ONE WHO
17:22 RECEIVED THE DREAM.
17:24 HE GOT HIS BROTHER TO WORK WITH HIM.
17:26 BUT DANNY SHELTON IS THE ONE THAT RECEIVED THE DREAM.
17:29 DANNY SHELTON'S THE ONE THAT RESPONDED, AND I WILL TELL YOU
17:33 SOMETHING.
17:35 THIS IS A GUY HAS MORE FAITH THAN, JOHN, I'VE EVER SEEN IN
17:38 ANY HUMAN BEING ON THIS EARTH.
17:40 I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
17:43 SOMETIMES WE GET JUST ROCKED AND SOCKED AND IT IS
17:45 A DAY BY DAY FAITH VENTURE.
17:49 BUT HE IS ALWAYS THERE.
17:50 HIS FAITH IS ALWAYS STRONG.
17:52 AND I MARVEL AT IT.
17:55 IT'S A GREAT ENCOURAGEMENT TO THOSE OF US THAT WORK WITH HIM.
17:58 >> I KNOW.
17:59 WHAT MAKES 3ABN DIFFERENT, THOUGH?
18:02 >> I THINK IT'S THE MESSAGE.
18:03 SEE, THE MESSAGE IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
18:05 AND THAT'S WHAT CAME TO DANNY THAT FIRST NIGHT.
18:08 WHAT CAME TO HIM THAT FIRST NIGHT WAS THAT IT HAD TO BE AN
18:12 UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS' MESSAGE.
18:16 >> I CAN HEAR DANNY SAYING IT.
18:17 >> YEAH, THE MESSAGE OF REVELATION 13, 14, THE TRUTH AS
18:21 IT IS IN JESUS.
18:23 AND AT THE TIME, DANNY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.
18:26 AND HE'LL TELL YOU, "I DID NOT KNOW MY BIBLE WELL ENOUGH TO
18:29 KNOW WHAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT."
18:32 AND SO HE SAID, "I HAD TO LOOK IT UP TO FIND OUT WHAT IT
18:35 WAS--WHAT IT REALLY MEANT."
18:38 >> I BELIEVE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT 3ABN AND COMPARE 3ABN TO OTHER
18:45 TELEVISION STATIONS IN NORTH AMERICA, IT IS WHAT
18:48 YOU SAY--IT IS TRUE, IT IS THE MESSAGE.
18:52 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
18:53 >> NOW, THIS MESSAGE OF REVELATION 14 IS NOT GOING TO
18:56 WIN ANY POPULARITY CONTESTS.
18:58 >> NO.
19:00 >> IT'S GOT THE GOSPEL.
19:01 I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH THE GOSPEL, THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL,
19:04 THE GOOD NEWS OF THE LOVE OF GOD, THE GOOD NEWS OF THE
19:07 ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, THIS WONDERFUL TRUTH
19:11 THAT WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE.
19:16 >> ABSOLUTELY.
19:17 >> I LOVE THE RALLYING CRY OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS.
19:22 SOLA CHRISTUS, ONLY CHRIST.
19:24 SOLA SCRIPTURA, ONLY SCRIPTURE.
19:27 SOLA GRATIA, ONLY GRACE.
19:30 SOLA FIDE, ONLY FAITH.
19:33 BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT--JIM, YOU KNOW AND I KNOW IT, YOU'VE GOT A
19:36 PACKAGE THERE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO PREACH.
19:40 IT TALKS ABOUT THE BEAST AND THE IMAGE AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
19:45 BUT BLESS YOUR HEART, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WILL OF GOD,
19:49 WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THAT.
19:50 >> NO.
19:51 GOD GAVE US THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
19:53 JESUS--THIS IS JESUS' BOOK.
19:57 THIS IS HIS MAGNA CARTA.
19:59 THIS IS HIS SPEECH TO THE WORLD.
20:01 THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS, "HEY, I'M COMING BACK.
20:05 THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
20:07 IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHARING THESE THINGS," SEE.
20:11 AND YOU SHARE THEM IN LOVE, BUT YOU SHARE THEM DIRECT.
20:14 I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD ME, THEY SAY, "YOU
20:18 KNOW--" YOU SAY JOHN CARTER, SAY, "BOY, HE PREACHES IT
20:21 STRAIGHT."
20:23 >> WOULD THEY LIKE ME TO PREACH IT CROOKED?
20:25 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE ARE
20:28 A LOT OF NETWORKS THAT WOULD NOT PUT YOU ON.
20:31 BUT WE PUT YOU ON BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY
20:36 TO PUT YOU ON BECAUSE YOU ARE PREACHING THE TRUTH.
20:40 AND THE SAME IS TRUE WITH KENNETH COX
20:43 AND WITH DAVID ASSCHERICK AND WITH LYLE ALBRECHT.
20:48 AND THESE ARE GUYS WHO ARE PREACHING THE MESSAGE DIRECT.
20:52 JOHN, I RAN INTO A COUPLE THE OTHER DAY, AND THIS CAN BE
20:56 REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
20:58 THIS WAS A COUPLE OVER IN GEORGIA.
21:01 AND THE GENTLEMAN SAID TO ME, HE SAID, "I WOULD SIT THERE WITH
21:05 MY NOTEBOOK."
21:06 HE SAID, "I WATCHED 3ABN FOR 6 YEARS.
21:08 I WOULD SIT THERE WITH MY NOTEBOOK.
21:10 JOHN CARTER WOULD COME ON, I'D WRITE DOWN EVERY TEXT THAT
21:13 JOHN CARTER WOULD SAY AND I'D LOOK THEM UP TO PROVE
21:16 HIM WRONG."
21:17 AND HE SAID, "I'D DO THE SAME WITH KENNETH COX AND I'D DO
21:19 THE SAME WITH LYLE ALBRECHT AND I WOULD DO IT WITH
21:22 DOUG BATCHELOR."
21:23 AND HE SAID, "FINALLY, I TOLD MY WIFE--" HE SAID, "I HAD
21:26 NOTEBOOKS FULL OF NOTES."
21:28 HE SAID, "I FINALLY TOLD MY WIFE, 'I CAN'T PROVE THIS
21:31 MESSAGE WRONG.'" HE SAID, "WE'VE GOT TO FIND
21:34 A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH AND BECOME PART OF IT."
21:38 AND THERE HE WAS.
21:39 >> JIM, I'VE DISCOVERED THIS AND YOU'VE DISCOVERED THIS TOO WHEN
21:42 YOU HAD THAT EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS IN UKRAINE THAT WE'RE
21:46 GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.
21:48 I'VE DISCOVERED THIS, THAT WHEN I PREACH THE MESSAGE IN THE LOVE
21:53 OF GOD, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, BUT DON'T HOLD
21:57 BACK, PREACH THE WHOLE MESSAGE, GOD TAKES OVER.
22:04 I'VE SEEN AROUND THE WORLD SOME OF THE BIGGEST CROWDS IN THE
22:07 HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC PREACHING OF THE MESSAGE OF GOD.
22:09 YOU HAVE, TOO.
22:13 >> YES.
22:14 >> WE HAD IN UKRAINE 100,000 PEOPLE NOT AT THE FIRST MEETING,
22:18 BUT TURNED AWAY.
22:21 SO I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP DOING WHAT GOD TELLS ME TO DO
22:24 SIMPLY FOR POPULARITY.
22:26 AND SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY, "BOY, HE'S A NICE GUY.
22:31 HE'S NOT GOING TO EVER EMBARRASS US."
22:35 >> "WE LIKE HIM."
22:36 >> YEAH, "WE LIKE HIM.
22:37 HE'S OUR KIND OF WIMPY GUY."
22:41 >> YEAH, YEAH.
22:42 "HE'S GOT FUNNY STORIES TO TELL."
22:47 >> LET ME HAVE CHRIST.
22:48 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
22:49 >> LET ME HAVE THE BIBLE.
22:50 >> AMEN.
22:51 >> AND WHEN I READ THE STORIES OF THE GREAT PREACHERS OF TIMES
22:55 PAST LIKE MARTIN LUTHER, JOHN WESLEY, AND JOHN KNOX,
23:00 AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD, I FIND MEN PREACHING A MESSAGE
23:06 THAT COMPLETELY POLARIZED SOCIETY.
23:09 >> OH YEAH.
23:10 >> THEY USED TO COME TO JOHN WESLEY'S MEETINGS
23:12 AND THROW MUD BALLS AT HIM AND THROW STONES AT HIM.
23:17 AND ON SOME OCCASIONS, THEY'D TAKE HIM AND HE HAD A WIG AND A
23:21 CLERGYMAN'S SUIT AND THEY WOULD TAKE HIM AND THROW HIM IN THE
23:24 RIVER.
23:25 >> OH YEAH.
23:27 >> BECAUSE HE WAS PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD.
23:29 THIS MAN HERE WHOM YOU AND I VENERATE, H.M.S RICHARDS--
23:36 >> HE WAS CUT FROM THAT CLOTH.
23:38 >> YEAH, HE SAID IF YOU DON'T HAVE A REVIVAL, YOU BETTER HAVE
23:42 A REVOLUTION.
23:43 >> THERE YOU GO, YES.
23:44 >> BUT DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
23:47 SO WHY DID YOU BECOME A PASTOR AND MINISTER?
23:51 >> YOU KNOW, THIS MAN HAD SOME INFLUENCE.
23:55 I FIRST MET HIM WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY.
23:59 AND I WAS AT THE TEXAS CAMP MEETING.
24:02 >> IN KEENE?
24:03 >> YES.
24:04 AND I REMEMBER THAT WE WOULD WATCH FOR H.M.S RICHARDS
24:09 AND THE KING'S HERALDS PROBABLY--THEY WERE COMING DOWN
24:13 THE ROAD IN THAT LIMOUSINE.
24:14 SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN THEM A LIMOUSINE.
24:17 AND SO THEY WOULD DRIVE IN IN THAT LIMOUSINE, AND THEY HAD A
24:21 BIG RACK ON TOP OF THAT LIMOUSINE.
24:22 AND WE WOULD WATCH FOR THEM SORT OF LIKE PEOPLE WOULD DO
24:28 ROCK STARS TODAY.
24:29 I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
24:30 >> YES, I KNOW.
24:31 >> AND WHEN THEY WERE COMING, WE SAW THAT QUARTET.
24:34 NOW, WE LOVED THAT QUARTET, BUT WE ALSO--WE REVERED
24:39 ELDER RICHARDS.
24:40 I REMEMBER ONE DAY OUT UNDER A TREE, I WAS WITH MY BROTHER,
24:43 PAUL, AND MY GOOD FRIEND, DAN BUCKINGHAM, THE THREE
24:47 OF US OUT UNDER A TREE.
24:49 AND IT WAS A HOT TEXAS DAY.
24:52 WE WERE JUST WAITING PROBABLY TO FIND SOME FUN TO GET INTO,
24:55 MAYBE A LITTLE MISCHIEF.
24:57 ELDER RICHARDS IS WALKING ALONG WITH THE CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
25:00 NOW, HE IS A GOOD 30 FEET AT LEAST OR 40 FEET MAYBE FROM THE
25:04 SIDEWALK, AND HE SEES 3 BOYS UNDER A TREE AND HE VEERS OFF.
25:09 I BELIEVE TO THIS DAY THAT AN ANGEL VEERED HIM OVER THERE.
25:13 HE LEFT THE PRESIDENT AND CAME OVER AND SPOKE TO US.
25:17 HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT THAT HE HAD COME ON TO THREE BOYS WHO WERE
25:22 ABSOLUTELY DUMB BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY A WORD.
25:25 OUR MOUTHS WERE OPEN.
25:25 WE COULD NOT BELIEVE--I COULD
25:30 NOT EVEN RESPOND TO HIM.
25:32 I COULDN'T EVEN BE NICE TO HIM.
25:34 AND FINALLY, AFTER SPEAKING TO US, HE SAID, "WELL, GOODBYE,
25:36 BOYS," AND HE LEFT.
25:37 AND HE PROBABLY THOUGHT, "WELL, THOSE KIDS, THEY DIDN'T EVEN
25:40 APPRECIATE MY COMING OVER."
25:41 WE WERE JUST ASTOUNDED THAT HE WOULD COME OVER.
25:45 AND LATER, I WAS ON HIS BOARD OF COUNSELORS AS A YOUNG MAN AND
25:50 WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, WAS ABLE
25:54 TO GO TO HIS LIBRARY WITH HIM.
25:57 AND CAMILLE AND I WENT THERE.
26:00 JUST ENJOYED SPENDING LOTS OF TIME WITH HIM, AND IT WAS
26:04 A GREAT BLESSING.
26:05 >> THE ONLY SERMON I REMEMBER FROM AVONDALE DAYS,
26:08 I'M TELLING YOU-- >> THAT'S A WHILE, YEAH.
26:12 >> YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WASN'T LAST YEAR, JIM.
26:14 OR THE YEAR BEFORE.
26:17 I'LL SOON BE SAYING THE CENTURY AGO.
26:20 NO, 50 YEARS AGO.
26:22 THE ONLY SERMON I REMEMBER FROM AVONDALE WAS NOT PREACHED BY ANY
26:26 OF THE FACULTY.
26:28 A SERMON PREACHED BY H.M.S RICHARDS.
26:31 I CAN TELL YOU THE SERMON NOW.
26:32 >> I BET YOU CAN.
26:33 >> IT WAS ON THE UNSPARING GOD.
26:35 >> OKAY.
26:37 >> IF GOD SPARED NOT THE ANGELS, IF GOD SPARED NOT THE
26:43 ANTEDILUVIANS, WILL HE SPARE YOU?
26:45 NO, HE'S AN UNSPARING GOD.
26:47 IF SPARED NOT--HE WENT ON TO THE PEOPLE IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
26:53 SO GOD IS NOT GOING TO SPARE.
26:54 I'VE PREACHED THE SAME A FEW TIMES.
26:56 GOD CANNOT SPARE US.
26:58 HE WILL NOT SPARE US AS MINISTERS IF WE DO NOT PREACH
27:01 THE WORD OF GOD.
27:04 IF WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH OUR FOOLISH POPULARITY THAN WE ARE
27:09 WITH FIDELITY TO GOD AND TO TRUTH, HE WON'T SPARE US.
27:12 SO THIS WAS THE SERMON.
27:14 AND SO WHEN HE HAD TOLD US THAT GOD WAS UTTERLY UNSPARING, THEN
27:18 HE TURNED TO ROMANS 8, "HE THAT SPARED NOT HIS OWN SON."
27:23 THEN HE TOLD THE STORY OF THE CROSS AND TOLD HOW HE BECAME
27:26 A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
27:28 YOU KNOW THE STORY.
27:29 YOU'VE HEARD IT.
27:30 >> RIGHT.
27:31 >> NOW, HIS MOTHER SAID, "YOU'VE GOT TO BEAT ME," YOU KNOW,
27:36 BECAUSE SHE'D GIVEN UP ON HIM.
27:39 AND THEN HE TOLD HOW HE WAS TO BEAT HIS MOTHER.
27:43 SHE BARED HER BACK AND SAID, "HAROLD, YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAT
27:47 ME."
27:49 >> I REMEMBER THE SERMON MYSELF.
27:50 NOW YOU'RE TELLING IT.
27:52 YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PREACHING?
27:54 HE SAID, "I CAN'T PREACH A SERMON TILL I'VE PREACHED IT
27:56 60 TIMES."
27:58 NOW, SEE, BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES,
28:01 HE COULD DO THAT.
28:02 >> SIXTY TIMES?
28:03 >> SIXTY TIMES.
28:04 I THINK IT MAY BE IN THIS BOOK, BUT I'VE HEARD HIM SAY IT.
28:07 >> THAT MEANS HE WAS ALSO AN EVANGELIST.
28:08 >> YES.
28:09 OH, HE WAS OUT THERE GOING.
28:10 >> WELL, HE ADDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK.
28:12 >> RIGHT.
28:16 >> AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU AND I WOULD NEVER
28:18 DO.
28:19 >> YOU KNOW, THE QUARTET USED TO SAY THAT HE WOULD PREACH THOSE
28:23 SAME SERMONS.
28:24 LIKE THEY WOULD DO A FRIDAY NIGHT, SABBATH MORNING,
28:26 SATURDAY NIGHT.
28:27 HE'D PREACH THE SAME SERMONS, BUT HE SAID--THEY SAID, "WE
28:31 NEVER TIRED OF HEARING THEM BECAUSE HE WOULD ALWAYS THROW IN
28:34 A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR US," THEY SAID.
28:38 >> HE WAS A MAN OF GOD.
28:40 HE TOUCHED MY LIFE.
28:42 AND HE TOUCHED YOURS.
28:43 >> YES, HE DID.
28:43 >> AND NOW HE'S TOUCHING THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN AROUND
28:46 THE WORLD.
28:47 >> YES.
28:48 AND HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE.
28:50 >> HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE?
28:51 >> THROUGH H.M.S RICHARDS JR.
28:53 ESPECIALLY, WHO ALSO WAS A GOOD FRIEND--
28:55 >> I LOVED HIM.
28:56 >> OF THE THREE OF US, YOU KNOW.
28:58 >> YES, I KNEW HIM WELL.
29:00 NOW JIM, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
29:02 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE PAUSE FOR A MESSAGE AND WE'RE
29:05 GOING TO COME BACK AND I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO TELL ME THE STORY
29:09 OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WENT TO UKRAINE BECAUSE THERE WERE
29:14 MIRACLES.
29:15 STAY WITH US.
29:16 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
29:20 >> HELLO, FRIEND.
29:22 DO YOU EVER WONDER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT?
29:24 HOW CAN WE EVER GET THE IMAGES OF JAPAN OUT OF OUR MINDS?
29:28 THINK OF THIS TREMENDOUS TSUNAMI.
29:30 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
29:32 I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT GOD IS SENDING A WAKEUP CALL
29:37 TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD.
29:37 THAT MESSAGE IS GET READY
29:41 BECAUSE CHRIST IS COMING SOON.
29:43 I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST IS ALSO SENDING A WAKEUP CALL TO THE
29:47 CHURCH.
29:49 I WANT YOU TO KNOW TODAY THIS CANNOT BE BUSINESS AS USUAL.
29:54 WE HAVE A WORK TO DO.
29:56 AND THE BIBLE TELLS ME WE ARE CALLED TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD
30:00 AND TO PREACH THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, THE GOOD NEWS
30:03 OF JESUS CHRIST, THE LORD.
30:06 I WANT YOU TO JOIN ME, MY FRIEND, IN THE GREAT NATIONS OF
30:09 THE WORLD IN WORLD EVANGELISM.
30:13 WE'RE WORKING IN CHINA.
30:14 JOIN US.
30:15 I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN INDIA.
30:17 WE'VE GOT A TELEVISION PROGRAM IN INDIA.
30:20 IT IS A LAND OF MORE THAN A BILLION SOULS.
30:23 JOIN US IN INDIA.
30:25 I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE AND HERE IN THE
30:28 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN AUSTRALIA, ALL AROUND THE WORLD
30:33 WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST.
30:39 I SAY THIS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A FIRE IN MY SOUL.
30:43 JESUS IS COMING SOON, AND YOU AND I HAVE GOT A WORK TO DO.
30:49 PLEASE WRITE TO ME TODAY, JOHN CARTER
30:52 POST OFFICE BOX 1900 THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA
30:56 91358.
30:58 IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, WRITE TO ME AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL.
31:03 THE ADDRESS IS NOW APPEARING ON THE SCREEN.
31:06 LISTEN, MY FRIEND.
31:08 JESUS IS COMING SOON.
31:11 WE MUST WORK WHILE IT IS DAY BECAUSE THE NIGHT IS COMING.
31:22 >> WELCOME BACK.
31:23 MY SPECIAL GUEST TODAY IS DR. JAMES GILLEY, THE PRESIDENT
31:27 OF THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK.
31:30 WELCOME BACK, JIM.
31:31 >> WELL, THANK YOU, JOHN.
31:32 IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
31:34 >> NOW TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN
31:38 YOUR LIFE.
31:40 >> WELL, SHE REALLY IS.
31:41 CAMILLE AND I MET WHEN WE WERE IN COLLEGE.
31:45 >> THAT WAS, WHAT, 20 YEARS AGO?
31:46 FIFTEEN?
31:48 MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.
31:49 >> AT LEAST THAT MANY.
31:50 WE HAVE CHILDREN IN THEIR 40s, SO--
31:52 >> OH, YOU DO?
31:53 >> OH, YES.
31:54 AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN.
31:56 SO WE'VE BEEN MARRIED A LONG TIME.
31:59 AND WE WERE MARRIED AT THE END OF 2 YEARS OF COLLEGE.
32:03 >> AND DOESN'T SHE LOOK GREAT?
32:04 >> SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE JUST GRADUATED.
32:07 IT'S AMAZING.
32:08 AS DOES BEVERLY.
32:09 THOSE TWO HAVE REALLY DONE WELL.
32:11 AND WE CAN BOTH BE PROUD OF OUR WIVES.
32:15 WE REALLY CAN.
32:16 BUT JOHN, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO MONTANA FOR A YEAR AND TAUGHT
32:20 SCHOOL TO GET A LITTLE MONEY TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
32:22 WENT BACK TO ANDREWS.
32:23 LATER RECEIVED A CALL INTO THE MINISTRY OUT IN SOUTHERN
32:25 NEW ENGLAND CONFERENCE.
32:30 AND MURRO MILLS CALLED US OUT THERE, WONDERFUL MAN.
32:34 LATER GOT TO WORK ALSO WITH LOWELL BACH.
32:38 AFTER 1 YEAR OF PASTORAL WORK, THEY MADE ME THE CONFERENCE
32:41 EVANGELIST OF ALL THINGS, AND I WORKED THERE AS A CONFERENCE
32:46 EVANGELIST UNTIL I MOVED TO TEXAS.
32:48 >> HOW MANY CAMPAIGNS A YEAR?
32:50 >> WELL, IN THOSE DAYS, I WAS DOING TEN A YEAR.
32:53 >> TEN A YEAR.
32:54 >> AND IT JUST ABOUT DESTROYED ME.
32:57 IT REALLY DID.
32:58 WHEN I LEFT THERE, I WAS PRETTY WELL BURNED OUT.
33:00 >> EACH CAMPAIGN 3 WEEKS.
33:02 >> FOUR WEEKS IN THOSE--I WAS DOING A 4-WEEK CAMPAIGN
33:05 IN NEW ENGLAND.
33:06 >> NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS LIKE.
33:08 >> NO, AND I WOULD FINISH IT ON SABBATH AND START THE NEXT ONE
33:13 SOMETIMES THE NEXT NIGHT ON SUNDAY NIGHT.
33:16 AT THE MOST, I HAD TO START IT THE NEXT WEEKEND, THE NEXT
33:19 FRIDAY NIGHT.
33:21 >> LORD HAVE MERCY.
33:21 >> THAT WAS THE MOST TIME I HAD BETWEEN MEETINGS AT THAT TIME.
33:25 >> YOU WENT BACK THEN TO TEXAS?
33:26 >> WENT BACK TO TEXAS AND HAD A DREAM FOR A SELF-SUPPORTING--
33:31 >> YOU'RE A TEXAN?
33:32 >> YES, I AM.
33:33 >> YOU WENT DOWN TO TEXAS.
33:34 >> I WENT DOWN THERE WITH A DREAM OF BEING IN BUSINESS
33:37 BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS.
33:39 MY FATHER WAS IN BUSINESS, I KIND OF HAD THAT IN MY BLOOD.
33:43 AND I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS IN COLLEGE.
33:45 I HAD A DREAM OF BEING IN BUSINESS AS AN ASI BUSINESS AND
33:49 THEN HAVING A MINISTRY AT THE SAME TIME, AN EVANGELISTIC
33:53 MINISTRY.
33:54 IT TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE TO REALLY GET THAT GOING.
33:57 BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING, JOHN, I CAN REMEMBER TRAVELING OUT
34:01 AND MY FAMILY GOING WITH ME, MY KIDS, JIMMY AND MARYANN
34:06 AND JOHN AND AMY, AND MY WIFE, CAMILLE, WE WOULD GO OUT IN A
34:12 VAN.
34:13 WE GO, DRIVE MANY MILES TO A PLACE WHERE WE WERE HOLDING
34:17 EVANGELISTIC MEETING, HOLD A MEETING AND THOSE KIDS WOULD BE
34:20 ASLEEP WHILE I WOULD DRIVE BACK AT NIGHT.
34:22 THEY GET UP AND GO TO SCHOOL THE NEXT MORNING.
34:24 >> I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
34:25 >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
34:26 AND SOMETIMES THOSE MEETINGS WERE VERY SMALL.
34:30 AND SOMETIMES I WOULD DRIVE ALONG AND THE LORD AND I WOULD
34:32 JUST BE TALKING AND I'D SAY, "LORD, WHY AM I DOING THIS?"
34:37 AND YOU KNOW-- >> AND CAN YOU BUILD UP THE
34:39 AUDIENCE A LITTLE?
34:40 >> YEAH, RIGHT.
34:41 BUT THE ANSWER CAME BACK TO ME CLEARLY.
34:44 HE SAID, "JIM, KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE STAYING SHARP.
34:50 I'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS."
34:52 AND WHEN I GOT TO UKRAINE, I FOUND OUT WHAT IT WAS.
34:55 >> TELL US WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE.
34:57 >> WELL, IN UKRAINE, IT WAS ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT.
34:59 I JUST GOT TO WATCH WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS DOING.
35:02 AND IT WAS SO AMAZING AND I JUST USED TO THANK GOD AND SAY,
35:05 "THANK YOU, LORD, FOR LETTING ME SEE THIS."
35:08 >> YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE
35:11 MORE THAT COULD BE ADDED.
35:14 THERE COMES A TIME WHEN GOD NEEDS A MAN.
35:19 THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD, YOU KNOW?
35:22 JOHN 1.
35:23 >> YEAH.
35:24 >> YOU WERE THERE AT THE RIGHT TIME, IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
35:28 >> 1991.
35:30 COMMUNISM HADN'T FALLEN YET.
35:31 >> NO, NO.
35:32 I WAS IN MOSCOW IN 1991.
35:34 BUT GOD PREPARED YOU FOR THAT PRECIOUS MOMENT IN HISTORY.
35:38 >> EXACTLY, HE DID.
35:40 >> YOU WERE A PART OF HISTORY THERE, JIM.
35:42 >> IT WAS AMAZING.
35:43 NOW DNEPROPETROVSK IS--WAS WHERE MY FIRST MEETING WAS.
35:47 >> YEAH, I KNOW THE CITY.
35:48 >> AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO KIEV, I WAS TOLD I WAS GOING TO
35:51 KIEV FIRST.
35:52 AND THEN I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I COULD SAY
35:55 KIEV AND I CAN--STILL NOT PRONOUNCE DNEPROPETROVSK--
35:58 >> YOU DO IT PRETTY WELL.
35:59 >> EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
36:01 AND I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE MAP.
36:04 I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A TWO AND A HALF MILLION
36:07 POPULATION CITY BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN FIND--IT WAS
36:11 ONE OF THOSE CLOSED CITIES, ONE OF THOSE HIDDEN CITIES.
36:14 PEOPLE COULD NOT GO IN AND OUT OF THERE FREELY.
36:17 UP UNTIL 2 YEARS BEFORE THE MEETINGS, A BAPTISM WAS ILLEGAL
36:22 AND PEOPLE COULD GO TO JAIL FOR 6 MONTHS FIRST OFFENSE, UP TO
36:25 3 YEARS SECOND OFFENSE.
36:27 AND SO THAT HOLDS DOWN BAPTISMS QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW.
36:31 AND IN 1946, A LADY BY THE NAME OF DORYA HAD HAD A DREAM THAT
36:38 SOMEDAY A MAN FROM AMERICA WOULD COME TO DNEPROPETROVSK, THAT HE
36:43 WOULD HOLD AN EVANGELISTIC--THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WOULD COME,
36:46 THAT HUNDREDS WOULD BE BAPTIZED.
36:48 >> MORE THAN HUNDREDS.
36:49 >> AND THAT THAT LITTLE CHURCH WOULD JUST BLOSSOM INTO MANY
36:53 CHURCHES.
36:55 AND THAT LADY WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN I HELD MY MEETING THERE.
36:59 SHE WAS SICK, LYING AT HOME.
37:01 BUT THEY WOULD TAKE A RECORDER TO HER, 'CAUSE I TOOK A LOT OF
37:04 TAPE RECORDERS WITH ME, AND I GAVE AWAY ONE EVERY NIGHT WITH A
37:08 SET OF TAPES.
37:09 AND THEY WOULD TAKE THE TAPES AND THE RECORDER AND PLAY HER
37:13 THE MESSAGE WHICH SHE COULD HEAR IT IN ENGLISH BUT SHE HEARD THE
37:17 TRANSLATOR AS WELL.
37:19 AND THIS LADY, WITH TEARS FLOWING DOWN HER CHEEKS, BECAUSE
37:22 SHE'D HAD THIS DREAM AND SHE HAD SHARED THE DREAM AND ANOTHER
37:26 LADY HAD HAD THE EXACT SAME DREAM.
37:28 AND THROUGHOUT THE SOVIET UNION, THEY HAD ENCOURAGED THEMSELVES
37:32 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEDAY.
37:34 LOOK AT THE MIRACLE, CLOSED CITY, AMERICA COULD
37:38 NOT EVEN GO IN THE CITY.
37:39 AMERICANS COULD CERTAINLY NOT PREACH OR ANYBODY ELSE PREACH
37:43 THE GOSPEL.
37:45 THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THIS WAS COMPLETE AND TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY
37:51 WITHOUT GOD'S INTERVENTION.
37:54 >> TELL ME ABOUT THE CROWDS.
37:55 >> WELL THE FIRST NIGHT, IN FACT IT WAS SO AMAZING, THE MAN THAT
38:00 RENTED THE THEATER, IT WAS AN OUTDOOR THEATER BUT IT WAS
38:04 TOTALLY TIGHTLY ENCLOSED, THAT FIRST THEATER I WENT INTO LATER.
38:08 WENT INTO THE SPORTS ARENA AND THE LORD GAVE US OVER 1200
38:11 BAPTISMS IN THAT MEETING.
38:13 >> WAS THAT THE PALACE OF SPORT?
38:14 >> YEAH, THAT'S THE PLACE THERE.
38:17 AND WE--THAT WAS OUR SECOND MEETING.
38:20 BUT IN THAT FIRST MEETING, THEY RENTED A LITTLE PLACE SEATED
38:22 MAYBE 2,000 PEOPLE.
38:25 YOU COULD STAND ANOTHER 1,000; 2,000 IN THE AISLES.
38:29 WHEN WE GOT TO THAT FIRST MEETING THAT NIGHT, AND BY THE
38:33 WAY, SOME OF THE SEATS IN THE BACK, OUTDOOR THEATER, IN THE
38:37 PARK THERE, THEY HAD MOVIES AT NIGHT THERE IN THE SUMMER.
38:42 AND WHEN THEY RENTED IT, THEY SAID, "YOU NEED TO FIX THESE
38:48 SEATS."
38:49 AND THE MAN WHO RAN THE PLACE LAUGHED AND HE SAID, "YOU'LL
38:52 NEVER FILL THIS PLACE.
38:53 NOBODY'S GONNA COME HERE, A RELIGIOUS MEETING."
38:56 >> HAVEN'T WE HEARD THIS?
38:57 >> YEAH, AND THEN HE--THEN HIS STATEMENT WAS, "I'LL TELL YOU
39:01 WHAT.
39:02 IF YOU FILL THE SEAT, I'LL TAKE THE LAST SEAT AND SIT IN IT
39:04 MYSELF."
39:06 AND BEHOLD, HE WAS THERE, SITTING IN THE LAST SEAT
39:10 HIMSELF.
39:11 HE DID FINALLY FIX THOSE SEATS THAT WERE BROKEN IN THE BACK.
39:15 THAT NIGHT, TOTALLY PACKED OUT, PEOPLE STANDING IN ALL THE
39:19 AISLES.
39:20 WE HAD TO GO TWO SESSIONS.
39:22 >> AND YOU COULD SENSE THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT.
39:24 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
39:25 >> YOU COULD FEEL THE POWER THERE.
39:28 >> THERE WERE HEALINGS THAT TOOK PLACE.
39:30 IT WAS PENTECOST.
39:31 THERE WAS--I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING OR FELT ANYTHING LIKE
39:35 THIS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
39:37 >> YOU AND I HAVE MANY THINGS IN COMMON.
39:39 >> YES.
39:40 >> WE HAVE SEEN THE LATTER RAIN.
39:42 >> YES, WE HAVE.
39:43 >> I'VE MET PEOPLE WHO SAY, "YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COME IN THE
39:46 FUTURE."
39:46 YEAH, IT IS.
39:47 IT IS.
39:48 BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT ALSO.
39:49 >> YES, WE HAVE.
39:50 >> WE'VE SEEN THE MIGHTY OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
39:54 >> THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
39:55 AND YOU KNOW, THE LORD DID SOME MIRACLES THERE BECAUSE 70 YEARS
39:59 THE GOSPEL HADN'T BEEN PREACHED.
40:01 AND THEY BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE PREACHERS, 120 PREACHERS OUT IN
40:04 A FIELD SCHOOL EVERY MORNING.
40:07 AND THEN WE WOULD GATHER FOR AN HOUR AND PRAY OVER EVERY ONE OF
40:12 THOSE REQUESTS THAT CAME IN, EVERY INTEREST THAT WAS THERE.
40:17 WE PRAYED FOR THOSE PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
40:21 AND THE MIRACLES THAT WE SAW AND HEALINGS THAT HAPPENED AND JUST
40:26 ABSOLUTE MIRACLES THAT WERE--SOME OF THEM THAT WERE
40:30 VERIFIED BY X-RAYS, FOR INSTANCE.
40:35 CANCERS THAT WERE GONE, THAT NO LONGER SHOWED UP ON X-RAYS.
40:39 THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
40:41 >> HE'S ALIVE.
40:42 >> HE IS.
40:42 I'M JUST--THANK GOD HE LET ME SEE WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.
40:46 >> I WANT TO TELL THE PEOPLE, HE'S ALIVE.
40:47 >> YES, HE IS.
40:48 >> YOU SHOULD NEVER BE DISCOURAGED BECAUSE JESUS IS
40:51 ALIVE.
40:53 WHEN WE WERE IN DNEPROPETROVSK, WE CAME TO WORK ON FOUNDATIONS
40:55 THAT YOU HAD SO WONDERFULLY
41:00 ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD.
41:02 WE SAW HEALINGS.
41:03 >> YES.
41:04 >> PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN ANYMORE."
41:06 >> OH, YES THEY DO.
41:07 >> WE SAW A LADY WHO WAS DYING OF CANCER.
41:10 WE ANOINTED HER IN THE NAME OF THE LORD BETWEEN TWO SESSIONS.
41:14 AND WHEN I WENT BACK THE FOLLOWING WINTER TO GREET THE
41:16 PEOPLE, I WALKED UP ON THE STAGE, VAST CROWD OF PEOPLE
41:20 THERE, AND THE LADY WHO WELCOMED
41:25 ME BROUGHT A BIG BOUQUET OF FLOWERS.
41:29 SHE SAID, "YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME."
41:31 SHE SAID, "I WAS THE LADY THEY WERE GOING TO BURY."
41:35 SHE SAID, "I WAS COMPLETELY HEALED OF CANCER."
41:40 SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS FOR EVERY SPECIFIC
41:44 SITUATION, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT GOD IS MORE THAN ABLE TO TAKE
41:49 CARE OF THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE.
41:50 >> YOU KNOW, JOHN, IN THAT MEETING, WE ONLY WENT 3 WEEKS
41:53 AND ONLY DID 1 BAPTISM.
41:56 AND THEY HAD NEVER HAD A BAPTISM OF MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE IN
42:00 UKRAINE AT THAT TIME.
42:02 AND THERE WERE 480 IN THAT BAPTISM.
42:06 AND THE PEOPLE SAID, "NO MORE, NO, THERE CANNOT BE ANYMORE."
42:10 THEY COULD NOT HANDLE--THE PASTORS COULDN'T THINK THAT THAT
42:14 MANY PEOPLE COULD BE READY, EXCEPT JESUS.
42:17 >> SOME PEOPLE, WE'LL LET THEM REMAIN ANONYMOUS, SENT ME A
42:20 MESSAGE DURING THE KIEV CAMPAIGN.
42:23 WE SAW THOUSANDS BAPTIZED.
42:25 THEY TOLD ME A MESSAGE, "GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG,
42:28 GET BACK TO AMERICA.
42:30 WE DON'T WANT YOU PREACHING OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
42:33 THAT THESE PEOPLE COULD BE READY."
42:35 >> YEAH, BUT WHEN I WENT TO KIEV, I WAS LOOKING--THEY HAD
42:39 PUT OUT NO ADVERTISING WHEN I WENT.
42:42 I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE HAD PAID TO HAVE SOME THINGS PRINTED.
42:45 WE HAD PAID TO HAVE THE POSTERS.
42:47 AND I'M DRIVING ALONG AND I KNOW HOW TO GET A FEEL FOR IT.
42:51 AND I SAID, "THESE POSTERS HAVE NOT BEEN PUT OUT."
42:55 AND THEY SAID, "OH, YES, THEY'VE BEEN PUT OUT."
42:57 I SAID, "NO, THEY HAVEN'T.
42:58 I WOULD KNOW."
42:59 THAT NIGHT, THEY WENT AND TACKED UP POSTERS BETWEEN WHERE I WAS
43:04 STAYING AND THE THEATER AND SAID, "SEE, THERE'S A POSTER."
43:08 I SAID, "THOSE HAVE JUST BEEN TACKED UP OVERNIGHT."
43:10 >> AND THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS.
43:11 >> THESE WERE--YOU KNOW WHAT?
43:12 THE PRESIDENT OF THAT PARTICULAR CONFERENCE AT THAT PARTICULAR
43:15 TIME, HE WAS NO LONGER PRESIDENT.
43:17 BUT HE SAID, "WE CAN'T HANDLE THE BAPTISMS."
43:21 >> I KNOW.
43:21 >> WE DON'T HAVE THE PASTORS, WE DON'T HAVE THE CHURCH.
43:24 WE JUST KIND OF WANTED A LITTLE REVIVAL.
43:27 AND SO THIS WAS THE KIND OF THING YOU SOMETIMES HAD TO
43:30 BATTLE AGAINST, JOHN.
43:32 >> OH, OFTEN.
43:32 >> YEAH.
43:33 >> HOW WAS THIS PAID FOR?
43:35 >> WELL, WE JUST MOSTLY PAID FOR IT OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET AND
43:38 SOME OF OUR FRIENDS.
43:39 I NEVER HAD MORE THAN $15,000 FOR ANY BUDGET THAT WE HELD.
43:44 AND THE LORD GAVE US--WHEN WE BACK TO DNEPROPETROVSK, WE GOT
43:47 400 THERE AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER 200 THAT CAME OUT
43:51 EVENTUALLY.
43:52 WE WENT BACK AND GOT 1200 PLUS AND THEN OTHERS AND--
43:57 >> YEAH, THOUSANDS.
43:57 >> YEAH, WE WENT TO ODESSA, WE HAD BASICALLY THE SAME TYPE OF
44:01 SITUATION, A TOTAL OF 2,000 THERE OVER THE 2 MEETINGS.
44:05 AND THEN, JOHN, WHEN THEY ADDED 'EM ALL UP, THEY SAID THAT THE
44:09 LORD HAD GIVEN US OVER 10,000 BAPTISMS JUST IN KIEV--JUST IN
44:14 THE UKRAINE.
44:15 WELL, WE LOVE THOSE PEOPLE, WE LOVE THOSE PEOPLE.
44:18 >> BUT WE DO THIS FOR-- >> BUT REMEMBER, THIS WAS GOD'S
44:20 DOING.
44:21 HE--I JUST THANKED HIM, HE LET US SEE IT.
44:23 WE TAKE NO CREDIT FOR IT WHATSOEVER.
44:25 >> WE CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT IS HIS
44:27 WORK.
44:28 BUT THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD AND YOU WERE THAT MAN, JIM.
44:32 >> WELL, IT WAS GOD'S DOING AND IT WAS JUST A THRILL THAT HE LET
44:36 US DO IT.
44:37 >> NOW LATER ON YOU BECAME A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
44:40 >> YEAH, THEN THE SOUL WINNING STOPPED.
44:45 I'M SORRY, NOT REALLY.
44:47 BUT YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION--
44:49 >> YOU AND I SHOULDN'T GET TOGETHER TOO MUCH.
44:52 >> I LOVED BEING A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE
44:55 TO WORK WITH ADMINISTERS AND SUPPORT THOSE GUYS AND ENCOURAGE
44:59 THEM.
44:59 >> WHEN YOU BECAME A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, FOR HOW LONG DID YOU
45:03 STAY?
45:04 >> SEVEN YEARS.
45:05 >> NO, BUT WASN'T THERE A LITTLE INTERLUDE OR SOMETHING?
45:08 >> OH, YOU KNOW, I WAS-- >> SHOULD I NOT BE TALKING ABOUT
45:11 THIS?
45:11 I MEAN, IT'S IN YOUR BOOK, IT'S IN ONE OF YOUR BOOKS.
45:14 >> IT'S IN THE "KEEP ON KEEPING ON"--
45:15 >> WELL, I THINK IT'S THIS ONE, "GOD WITH US," WHICH IS A
45:17 MARVELOUS BOOK.
45:18 AND THEN THERE'S "KEEP ON--" >> GOD FOR US, "KEEP ON KEEPING
45:21 ON" TELLS THE REAL TRUE STORY OF A LOT OF THINGS.
45:25 I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GONNA RETIRE AFTER THAT,
45:28 THEN I DECIDED, "WHY RETIRE?
45:31 I'M GONNA PREACHING ANYWAYS, SO WHY--"
45:33 >> RETIRE IS A NICE WORD.
45:34 >> IT'S--I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD WORD.
45:37 >> WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN BEING SACKED.
45:40 >> I HAD SOMEBODY TELL ME THE OTHER DAY, THEY SAID,
45:42 "YOU ARE NOT A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR RETIREMENT."
45:45 >> NO, YOU'RE NOT.
45:46 >> SO I THOUGHT IF I'M NOT GONNA BE GOOD AT IT, WHY DO IT?
45:49 >> YOU KNOW WHAT H.M.S RICHARDS SAID?
45:51 >> YEAH, HE SAID TWO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE.
45:53 >> AND WHAT ARE THOSE TWO THINGS THAT A MINISTER CAN'T DO.
45:55 >> RETIRE-- >> AND TELL LIES.
45:57 >> YEAH.
45:59 >> AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
46:01 THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A MINISTER OR A PERSON WHO
46:05 PROFESSES THE NAME OF JESUS WHO TELLS LIES.
46:09 >> YOU KNOW, I HEARD-- >> THEY'RE TWO-FACED.
46:10 >> I HEARD RICHARDS ONE TIME SAY, "THERE ARE TWO THINGS NOT
46:13 IN THE BIBLE.
46:14 ONE'S RETIREMENT, THE OTHER'S SUNDAY-KEEPING."
46:17 HE SAID, "YOU CAN'T PROVE EITHER ONE FROM THE BIBLE."
46:19 >> YEAH, AND HE'S RIGHT.
46:20 >> YEAH.
46:21 >> SO YOU WERE A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
46:22 >> YES.
46:24 >> AND THEN YOU GOT TIED UP WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION,
46:28 WHICH BASICALLY FUNDS THE REST OF THE WORLD.
46:31 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CALL TO GO TO ADVENTIST WORLD RADIO
46:35 AS VICE PRESIDENT AND THEY SAID, "YOU WILL BE THE NEXT
46:39 PRESIDENT."
46:40 AND SO I TURNED IT DOWN.
46:43 THEY CALLED AGAIN AND I TURNED IT DOWN.
46:46 THEN THE--OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR CAUGHT HIS HOUSE ON FIRE AND IT
46:50 BURNED OUR HOUSE AND THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BURNED ALL THREE
46:53 OF US DOWN.
46:54 >> AND THAT'S HOW YOU LOST YOUR BOOTS.
46:55 >> YEAH, IT'S EXACTLY--SO AFTER THAT--
46:58 >> THAT'S WORSE THAN A RECESSION.
46:59 >> DON SCHNEIDER CALLED AND ASKED ME TO COME
47:02 AS VICE PRESIDENT.
47:04 I SAID, "DON, I'M A CHEAP MOVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE
47:07 ANYTHING TO MOVE EXCEPT A FEW CLOTHES."
47:10 AND SO I SAID, "YOU KNOW, I'M AFRAID TO SAY NO.
47:14 I'VE SAID NO TWICE TO A CALL TO WASHINGTON AND I THINK THAT I'D
47:20 BETTER SAY YES."
47:21 WORKING WITH DON SCHNEIDER WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE.
47:26 THIS IS A MAN OF GOD.
47:28 HE IS FORWARD THINKING, HE IS A TRUE, LOYAL FRIEND.
47:33 AND I WILL TELL YOU-- >> IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S A
47:34 CHRISTIAN.
47:35 >> HE IS EVERY BIT OF CHRISTIAN.
47:37 >> AND HE'S GENUINE.
47:38 >> HE--YOU KNOW, WE USED TO CALL HIM THE KING OF CARE BECAUSE
47:42 PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THE WAY THAT DON WAS--SOMETIMES, HE WOULD
47:46 HAVE A SABBATH WHEN WE'D SAY, "WOW, THIS GREAT, DON'S GONNA
47:50 GET TO REST."
47:51 AND THEN WE'D FIND OUT HE'D GET IN HIS CAR, DRIVE SEVERAL
47:54 HUNDRED MILES TO ENCOURAGE SOME POOR, DOWN AND OUT PREACHER THAT
47:59 WAS MAYBE SICK OR SOMEBODY HE HAD HEARD ABOUT, AND GO OUT
48:03 THERE AND JUST LOVE 'EM AND PRAY WITH 'EM AND WEAR HIMSELF OUT IN
48:08 THE PROCESS.
48:10 BUT HE GAVE OF HIMSELF, HE AND MARTI ARE--THEY LOVE THE LORD,
48:14 THEY REALLY DO.
48:15 AND BY THE WAY, THE SAME KIND OF THING WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT,
48:19 DAN JACKSON AND HIS WIFE, THESE ARE COMMITTED CHRISTIAN PEOPLE.
48:24 OH, FANTASTIC PEOPLE.
48:26 I KNEW DAN WHEN HE WAS--WE WERE CONFERENCE PRESIDENTS TOGETHER
48:29 AND THEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH IN CANADA WHICH IS
48:33 THE CANADIAN UNION.
48:34 >> IS HE A CANADIAN?
48:35 >> YES, HE IS.
48:36 AND-- >> PART OF THE BRITISH
48:38 COMMONWEALTH, REMIND YOU, JIM.
48:40 >> YEAH, BUT HE AND DON SCHNEIDER HAVE MANY
48:44 SIMILARITIES AND BEING FRIENDLY PEOPLE, ENJOY HUMOR, BUT READY
48:51 TO TACKLE THINGS AND BRING SOLUTIONS.
48:55 AND I--WE HAVE GREAT HOPE FOR JACKSON.
48:57 AND BY THE WAY, DON IS STILL MINISTERING.
48:59 HE'S PASTORING RIGHT NOW IN DENVER, COLORADO, DENVER SOUTH.
49:04 >> GOD BLESS HIM.
49:05 >> OH, YEAH.
49:07 >> THEN YOU BECAME MORE RECENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN.
49:10 >> MM-HMM.
49:11 >> THIS IS A RATHER DIFFICULT QUESTION.
49:14 NOT FOR ME TO ASK.
49:18 WHY DOES 3ABN GET SO MUCH OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE WHO OUGHT
49:23 TO BE SUPPORTING?
49:24 >> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
49:26 IF YOU WERE THE DEVIL.
49:27 >> MM-HMM.
49:28 >> AND THAT'S NOT HARD TO IMAGINE--I'M JUST TEASING, JOHN.
49:34 I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE, "I CAN IMAGINE MYSELF--"
49:37 >> IT'S A BLESSING.
49:38 >> IF I WERE THE DEVIL--LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IF I WERE THE
49:40 DEVIL, I WOULD NOT BE ATTACKING PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T DOING
49:44 ANYTHING.
49:44 I WOULD ATTACK A MINISTRY THAT WAS EFFECTIVE, I REALLY WOULD.
49:50 AND 3ABN IS SO EFFECTIVE.
49:53 I WAS JUST, A FEW WEEKS AGO, WITH PASTOR MARVIN WRAY UP IN
49:58 NAPA, CALIFORNIA.
49:59 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING A MOTORCYCLE TRIP.
50:01 IN FACT, I BOUGHT HIS BOOK, IT TELLS ABOUT THAT, IT'S A GREAT
50:03 BOOK.
50:04 AND I-- >> HE'S TAKING--GONNA RIDE A
50:07 MOTORBIKE?
50:08 >> HE RODE IT ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES, 12,000 MILES
50:11 OR SO, AND WOULD STOP AND VISIT A LOT--
50:13 >> HOW OLD IS HE?
50:14 >> A LOT OF CHURCHES.
50:15 WELL, I DON'T KNOW, HE'S-- >> OLD ENOUGH.
50:17 >> YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I, BUT HE'S OLDER THAN MOST PEOPLE.
50:20 >> HE'S OLD ENOUGH TO GET A LICENSE.
50:21 >> HE'S OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE A LICENSE.
50:22 AND SO HE--WHEN HE GOT TO LAS VEGAS AND HE WENT TO THE
50:27 MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH, HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, "I WAS AMAZED THAT
50:32 THE PASTOR TOLD ME THAT HIS BIGGEST NUMBER OF BAPTISMS COME
50:36 FROM 3ABN."
50:38 AND HE SAID, "THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH IS THOUGHT OF AS SORT OF
50:42 A LIBERAL CHURCH."
50:43 >> THIS IS LAS VEGAS?
50:44 >> YEAH.
50:45 >> WE BAPTIZED A PERSON IN THIS CHURCH FROM LAS VEGAS
50:47 BECAUSE OF 3ABN.
50:48 >> ABSOLUTELY.
50:49 AND PARADISE CHURCH DOES THE SAME.
50:51 IN FACT, OVER 300 PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE WALKED
50:57 INTO CHURCHES IN THE LAS VEGAS AREA, THERE ARE 13 CHURCHES IN
51:01 THE GREATER AREA.
51:02 >> YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
51:03 >> AND BEEN BAPTIZED DIRECTLY AS A RESULT OF WATCHING THE TV
51:08 CHANNEL THAT WE HAVE THERE IN LAS VEGAS.
51:12 AND IT'S AMAZING THE IMPACT THAT 3ABN HAS.
51:17 AND SO IF I WERE THE DEVIL, I'D BE ATTACKING THIS, I'D DO MY
51:21 BEST TO TRY TO GET THIS.
51:22 I WOULD USE GOOD PEOPLE TO ATTACK THEM, I WOULD USE BAD
51:24 PEOPLE TO ATTACK THEM, I WOULD
51:27 USE ANYTHING THAT I COULD IF I WERE THE DEVIL.
51:30 >> BUT THOSE PEOPLE OUGHT TO REALIZE THIS, IT'S A DANGEROUS
51:34 THING TO ATTACK THE WORK OF GOD.
51:36 >> YES, IT IS.
51:37 >> AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE MOTIVES BEHIND THESE ATTACKS,
51:40 I SEEM TO THINK, ARE LESS THAN RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY.
51:45 3ABN HAS BEEN USED BY GOD, BLESSED BY GOD, IT CONTINUES TO
51:50 BE SO.
51:51 MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE JEALOUSY SOMEWHERE THERE.
51:54 >> YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE RECEIVE ANY KIND OF ATTACK, WE SEARCH
51:58 OUR HEARTS.
51:59 >> YES.
52:00 >> AND WE SAY, "LORD, IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT WE NEED TO
52:04 LEARN FROM THIS?"
52:06 WE GO TO OUR KNEES AND WE PRAY AND WE PRAY OUR WAY THROUGH THE
52:11 ATTACKS AND WE SAY, "LORD, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE NOT
52:15 PERFECT."
52:15 IN FACT, THE PROPHET TELLS US THAT THIS WORK IS GONNA BE
52:19 FINISHED BY WEAK, ERRING PEOPLE.
52:22 >> YEAH, WELL, HE'S GOT A COUPLE HERE.
52:24 >> I'M QUALIFIED.
52:25 >> YEAH, I'M QUALIFIED TOO.
52:26 >> IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE, I'M DEFINITELY QUALIFIED.
52:29 >> I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, FRIEND, WATCHING, DON'T NEED TO BE
52:31 DISCOURAGED.
52:32 THE LORD IS GOING TO USE PEOPLE LIKE JIM AND ME.
52:35 AND IF HE CAN USE US, I THINK HE CAN JUST ABOUT USE ANYBODY.
52:39 >> WELL, I BELIEVE THAT.
52:41 AND WE NEVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED.
52:43 WE KNOW THAT HE CAN REPLACE US JUST LIKE THAT.
52:47 >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG PROJECTS OF 3ABN?
52:49 >> OH, MAN, THE MOST EXCITING THING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON
52:52 RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A NEW CHANNEL CALLED, "DARE TO DREAM."
52:56 THIS IS FOR THE URBAN PEOPLE AND FOR MINORITIES.
53:02 AND DR. YVONNE LEWIS IS THE ONE WHO'S HEADING THAT UP.
53:07 LATINO IS GROWING LEAPS AND BOUNDS, 3ABN LATINO.
53:12 WE JUST SIGNED UP LAST--RECENTLY, IT WAS MORE THAN
53:16 A WEEK AGO NOW, BUT-- >> AND THESE WERE WARM PEOPLE.
53:19 >> YES, THEY ARE.
53:20 WE SIGNED UP, ON ONE DAY, SEVENTY-SEVEN NEW CABLE OUTLETS.
53:26 >> SEVENTY-SEVEN.
53:27 >> ONE DAY.
53:28 AND THEY JUST KEEP COMING IN FOR LATINO.
53:32 WE HAVE 3ABN PROCLAIM.
53:35 AND THIS IS PREACHING, NOTHING BUT PREACHING, 24/7, ONE SERMON
53:40 AFTER ANOTHER.
53:42 IF SOMEONE WANTS PREACHING, THEY CAN GET IT THERE.
53:45 WE HAVE 3ABN RUSSIAN.
53:46 NOW ALL OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE INTERNET.
53:48 >> YEAH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
53:50 >> YEAH, 3ABN RUSSIAN, AND YOU KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT.
53:53 AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR 3ABN, WHICH IS ON 1200 DIFFERENT
54:00 CABLE OUTLETS.
54:01 AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S ON DISH NETWORK AND--
54:07 >> THIS IS WHY THE DEVIL'S POPPING MAD.
54:09 >> YEAH, AND IT IS TRUE.
54:10 >> AND HE SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF ASSISTANCE.
54:13 >> YEAH.
54:14 WELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT
54:20 GOD'S WORK'S GONNA BE ATTACKED.
54:22 THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS UNDER ATTACK, PERIOD.
54:25 >> HE SAID, "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH ON THIS ROCK.
54:28 THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THIS CHURCH."
54:32 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
54:33 >> SOME PEOPLE OF COURSE HAVE A VERY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AT
54:36 WHAT CONSTITUTES THE CHURCH.
54:38 >> YES.
54:39 >> BUT THE CHURCH IS MADE UP OF THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST JESUS.
54:42 TELL ME THIS, JIM.
54:43 THIS IS IMPORTANT, ALL RIGHT.
54:44 I WANT YOU TO TELL ME.
54:47 HOW IS 3ABN DOING FINANCIALLY?
54:50 BECAUSE TIMES ARE TOUGH.
54:51 DOES 3ABN NEED SOME HELP AT THIS TIME?
54:54 >> WE ALWAYS NEED HELP.
54:55 THERE ARE ALWAYS MORE PROJECTS--BY THE WAY, WE KEEP
54:59 SPENDING MORE AND MORE MONEY.
55:01 AND I HAD A MAN THE OTHER DAY WHO WROTE ME A LETTER, I WISH
55:05 HE'D SIGNED 'CAUSE I'D LOVE TO CALL HIM AND THANKED HIM FOR THE
55:08 LETTER.
55:09 HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS IN IT.
55:12 >> EXCEPT HE COULDN'T SIGN HIS OWN NAME.
55:14 >> EXCEPT HE COULDN'T SIGN IT, HE COULDN'T SIGN IT.
55:16 AND I WISH HE HAD.
55:17 BUT HE MADE A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT IS SO TRUE, HE SAID,
55:21 "I BELIEVE--" HE WAS GIVING ME A HARD TIME FOR TALKING ABOUT
55:23 MONEY.
55:24 HE SAID, "I BELIEVE THAT IF SOMEBODY GAVE 3ABN A BILLION
55:29 DOLLARS THAT YOU'D BE ASKING FOR MONEY AGAIN VERY SOON."
55:33 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
55:34 >> AND I SAID, "HE'S RIGHT.
55:35 WE WOULD SPEND IT TO PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL."
55:39 JOHN, WE DO NOT WANT $1 IN THE BANK WHEN CHRIST COMES.
55:43 >> YOU ARE CORRECT.
55:44 >> IF WE WERE HOARDING MONEY AND NOT PREACHING THIS MESSAGE, THEN
55:49 WE ARE NOT TRUE TO WHAT GOD HAS ASKED US TO DO IN PROCLAIMING
55:54 THE GOSPEL.
55:55 I DON'T WANT TO BE FOUND WITH $2 OR $3 MILLION.
55:57 NOW LOOK, WE HAVE TWO BANK ACCOUNTS, OUR TRUST IS
56:01 DIFFERENT.
56:02 THE TRUST DEPARTMENT, THAT'S NOT OUR MONEY.
56:05 THAT'S FOR THE BANK OF CALIFORNIA, THAT'S INVESTED WITH
56:08 PROFESSIONALS, THAT IS GUARDED LIKE FORT KNOX.
56:12 OUR MONEY IS THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE SEND IN AND THAT'S THE
56:16 ONLY THING WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO CHURCH OR DENOMINATIONAL
56:19 AFFILIATION OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
56:21 NOBODY'S BACK THERE WITH A BIG CHECKBOOK.
56:24 >> NOW JIM, I WANT TO GIVE A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE.
56:27 >> ALL RIGHT.
56:28 >> 'CAUSE YOU AND I HAVE GOT ONE GIFT, THE GIFT OF TALKING.
56:32 >> YEAH.
56:33 >> WE BELIEVE IN THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN.
56:35 GOD RAISED UP THIS MINISTRY, STAND BY THEM IN THIS TREMENDOUS
56:40 HOUR.
56:42 AND MY DEAR BROTHER, JIM.
56:43 >> YOU'RE VERY KIND, JOHN.
56:44 >> NO, NO, NO, IT'S MY JOY.
56:47 IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO KNOW YOU SO LONG.
56:49 >> WELL, IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE.
56:51 >> YOU'RE A DEAR FRIEND.
56:52 >> OUR PRIVILEGE.
56:53 >> GOD BLESS YOU, JIM.
56:53 AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
56:55 GOD BLESS YOU.
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