Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001206
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00:08 From Arcadia, California, the Carter Report presents
00:11 "The Living Word" around the world. 00:18 Hello, friend. I'm John Carter. 00:20 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:23 My special guest is a famous astronomer Dr. Hugh Ross. 00:28 He's known around the world. 00:30 Not only he-- is he a great astronomer, 00:33 but he is a great defender of the Christian faith. 00:37 Stay tuned. 00:41 Jesus said, "Go into all the world 00:43 and make disciples of all nations, 00:45 baptizing them in the name of the Father, 00:47 Son and Holy Spirit. 00:49 The Carter Report team has therefore 00:52 accepted the challenge of worldwide evangelism. 00:55 Millions in Russia, Ukraine, 00:57 the Philippines, Africa, India, Australia, 01:01 the United States and the Isles of the Sea 01:04 have heard the good news of Christ 01:06 as John Carter has proclaimed God's living word. 01:10 You're invited to be a part of the Carter team 01:13 by praying and by giving and when God calls by going. 01:17 Right a note now to Pastor John Carter, 01:20 PO Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, California, 91358 01:26 or to PO Box 861, 01:29 Terrigal, NSW 2260, Australia. 01:34 Jesus said, "With God all things are possible." 01:42 Dr. Ross, we're delighted to have you with us today. 01:45 Thank you for joining us. My pleasure. 01:47 We consider that you're an old friend now. Oh, good. 01:50 Now down the road from us 01:51 is a famous university Caltech. Yes. 01:55 Some say it's the greatest university in North America. 01:58 I know it's coming number one on some occasions. 02:02 You worked at Caltech. Yes. 02:04 Tell me a little bit about your work at Caltech? 02:07 Oh, I came there after my-- 02:09 I got my Ph.D. at the University of Toronto 02:11 and did postdoctoral research work 02:14 on distant quasars and galaxies. 02:17 My goal was to try and understand 02:19 the energy mechanisms 02:21 that were powering these amazing objects. 02:24 And it was the first place where I actually met Christians. 02:28 I became a Christian at age 19 in Canada 02:31 through studying a Gideon Bible, 02:34 but I was until eight years later 02:36 on the campus of Caltech that I met Christians 02:39 and I met them in the astronomy department 02:42 and then had the pleasure 02:43 of leading my officemate to Christ. 02:45 You don't usually think of Caltech 02:47 as being an evangelical center, do you? 02:49 You don't, but as you pointed out 02:52 it is a top rate university especially in astronomy 02:55 and physics and attracts people from all over the world. 02:59 And so you get people of an evangelical persuasion 03:02 from many different countries. 03:04 It's a very stimulating place to grow my Christian faith. 03:07 Tell me about these quasars? 03:09 Well, they are powered by super giant black holes. 03:14 And so you're actually looking 03:16 very far back in the history of the universe 03:18 when the universe was quite young 03:20 and that was a time 03:22 when large galaxies were accumulating a lot of gas 03:26 and this gas was being fit into the mass of these black holes 03:29 and just outside the-- 03:31 the event arising the black holes 03:33 is where this incoming gas 03:35 gets converted into energy with 10% efficiency. 03:39 And so these are the brightest objects in the universe 03:44 and by studying them we're able to figure out 03:47 the creation history of the cosmos. 03:50 So as a Christian that was very fascinating 03:52 to me to actually figure out exactly 03:54 how God did the right things at the right time 03:58 to make possible human beings because as old this universe is, 04:03 there's an extremely narrow time window 04:05 in which human beings can exist in a civilized state. 04:09 And you know, the universe has to be 04:11 very carefully prepared or to make sure 04:14 that you don't miss that narrow time window 04:17 for God to bring about the existence of human begins 04:20 where they can live in a civilized state. 04:22 This is quite fascinating to me because I love astronomy. 04:28 How do these quasars tell us about the creation event? 04:34 Well, it's important that you get the right elements 04:38 at the right time on the right bodies 04:41 in order to have events like possible. 04:43 The universe starts off with only one element, hydrogen. 04:48 And by the time the universe is three and half minutes old, 04:51 25% of that hydrogen has been converted into helium. 04:57 And then as gas begins to condense 04:59 under the influence of gravity into stars 05:02 and it takes it just right mass of the universe 05:05 and a just right dark energy 05:07 to make sure that stars will actually form 05:11 and then through several generations of stars, 05:14 that hydrogen and helium 05:16 gets built up into carbon, oxygen, nitrogen. 05:19 The elements essential for life 05:22 and therefore life becomes possible 05:24 in the history of the universe, 05:25 but if the universe doesn't have a mass 05:28 that's exactly right not too big, not too small 05:32 you'll not get the elements you need for life. 05:34 If its too big all you get is elements heavier than iron, 05:38 if its too small all you get is hydrogen and helium. 05:41 To get the carbon, the oxygen and nitrogen the phosphorous 05:44 that you need for life the universe can be no bigger 05:47 and no smaller than what we observe. 05:49 Now you have founded an organization 05:51 called Reasons to Believe. Right. 05:54 It's a pretty good title, you know, Reasons to Believe. 05:59 As you know I'm a pastor 06:00 and I run evangelistic campaigns around the world. 06:04 We've had millions of secular people 06:07 attend our lectures 06:09 and the purpose of those meetings 06:11 is to give people reasons to believe. 06:14 Tell me about Reasons to Believe, 06:17 why you founded it 06:18 and what sort of work are you doing now? 06:20 Well, when I was at Caltech I also got involved in a church 06:24 that made me a minister of evangelism 06:27 and wasn't very long till I realized 06:29 to be successful as an evangelist, 06:31 you need to approach secular people 06:33 with new reasons to believe. 06:36 Not too many people have got that yet, 06:38 because the church on the whole is not reaching secular people. 06:42 But I think you're reaching secular people? 06:45 Right, I mean our goal is to reach adults for Christ. 06:48 I commend those who are reaching children. 06:50 I commend those who are reaching adults 06:52 who are raised in Christian homes. Yes. 06:54 Our target audience are adults 06:56 who have not been exposed to the Christian faith. 06:59 There's something that you see in the Book of Acts 07:02 when Paul went into Athens, 07:04 he engaged the leaders there with new reasons to believe. 07:09 Now, I would agree that the historical evidence 07:13 for Jesus rising bodily from the dead is very strong. Yes. 07:17 The problem is getting people to listen. 07:19 And so what we would do and what we continue to do 07:22 is we'll talk to people about something 07:24 that was discovered for the first time, 07:26 may be two days ago. 07:28 Everybody wants to talk about the latest ideas. 07:31 And so we begin with the new reasons 07:34 to believe in Christ as Creator, Lord and Savior 07:37 and use those new evidences 07:39 as a bridge to the traditional evidences. 07:42 And the wonderful thing about being alive in the 21st century 07:46 there are about ten scientific discoveries 07:48 that are made everyday that are giving us 07:51 more powerful evidences for the Christian faith. 07:53 You know, you and I have got a lot in common. 08:00 I'm an Australian and I come from a-- 08:03 I'm also an American citizen. 08:04 I'm both now. I'm a hybrid. 08:08 Oh, I'm too. I'm a hybrid Canadian American. 08:10 Yes, well, I'm an Australian America 08:12 or an American Australian. 08:14 I was brought up in a very secular society 08:18 and when I was a young pastor I had a passion in my soul 08:22 to try to reach unbelievers to Christ. 08:26 And that's we devised the system of using biblical archeology, 08:32 the story of the pyramids 08:33 and we got tremendous crowds to the Sydney Opera House 08:37 and the great Dallas Brooks Theater in Melbourne 08:41 and then in Russia we had about three million communists 08:44 and atheists come to our meetings. 08:48 I know what you're talking about, 08:49 because too often it seems to me 08:52 the church is preaching to the choir. Right. 08:55 But you're not preaching to the choir, 08:56 you go on to university campuses 09:00 and you're trying to spread the word of Christ 09:03 to people who don't, don't believe 09:05 and you're trying to give them reasons to believe. 09:08 So I think this is marvelous. 09:09 Well, thank you. Tell me about your staff? 09:12 Oh, Reasons to Believe, we've a paid staff of about 30, 09:17 but we've 3,000 volunteers. Oh, that's terrific. 09:20 And so our goal is to-- Three thousand volunteers? 09:22 Volunteers around the world 09:25 and our goal is to take them through our training courses, 09:28 so they will become equipped 09:30 to use this new reasons to believe 09:32 to bring people to faith in Christ. 09:35 I mean our staff is limited 09:37 but through our volunteers we can reach. No, no. 09:39 You're doing something, I'm very much impressed. 09:43 Tell me about your family? Well, I've a wife and two sons. 09:48 And you know, my wife is kind of the executive 09:51 for Reasons to Believe. 09:52 She's got great people, skills and... 09:54 What you're saying she's the boss? 09:55 Yeah, she's the boss. 09:57 Of course she sets me free and the other scientists, 10:00 other staff free to do the research, 10:02 the writing and the speaking. 10:04 Now, we all have confidence that, 10:06 you know, she holds our views 10:07 and you know, can manage our perspective very well 10:11 and so that way we can write books and-- 10:14 You're looking very well. 10:17 You had a health crisis not so long ago. 10:19 I've just read your book on the Book of Job. 10:22 At the start of the book you talk about a health crisis. 10:25 How you're doing? 10:26 And what was--tell the people about the health crisis? 10:28 Well, I'm doing very well 10:30 but yeah, I mean I was--yeah I run everyday 10:34 and went on this one trailer was running down the hill 10:36 and I had severe pain and said this isn't good. No. 10:40 In the chest? In the chest. 10:42 I had pretty good idea what it was 10:44 and I went to the doctor. 10:47 He had me do a treadmill test 10:48 and I passed it with flying colors. 10:50 But I still had the serious pain. 10:52 I said give me an angiogram. 10:54 He says, well, its not gonna show anything. 10:56 Well, they did the angiogram, 10:59 my widow maker artery was completely blocked. Yeah. 11:01 The one from north to south. It was completely blocked? 11:05 And they said you're not going home. 11:07 We're gonna operate on you. 11:08 Completely, 100%. Yeah. 11:11 Well, it turned out it wasn't cholesterol or plaque, 11:14 it was a clot. Oh. 11:16 Because now the artery is completely clear. Yeah. 11:18 I got five arteries to my heart now not just four. 11:22 But they did do a bypass and I recovered very well. 11:25 And the amazing thing was I got visited by five chaplains, 11:30 four of them didn't know the Lord. 11:33 And when I talked to them I said, 11:35 you know, why are you not believing 11:37 the Bible as God's word? 11:39 And they said, science. 11:40 And so how much science training have you had? 11:43 Well, they had virtually none. 11:45 And then I let them know that 11:46 I was a scientist and a believer. 11:48 And so I realized, 11:50 you know, that health trauma gave me opportunities 11:53 to share my Christian faith 11:55 that I would never otherwise have had. 11:57 You're a soldier. 12:00 I know of your little bit of your schedule. 12:03 I just appreciate you. You're a soldier. 12:08 Then your son had an awful experience? He did. 12:11 He was stabbed? He was stabbed four times. 12:14 In Los Angeles? 12:16 Well, this was just south of Los Angeles. 12:18 Down towards San Diego. Right. 12:20 And, you know, he was trying 12:22 to pull an attacker off his friend. 12:25 His friend got killed. His friend got murdered? 12:28 Yeah, he was murdered. He got stabbed eight times. 12:30 He didn't survive. And our son almost died. 12:34 We didn't know for three days 12:36 whether he was gonna live or die. 12:37 But he did survive. 12:39 How he is doing now? He's doing well. 12:40 He's got, you know, 60 stitches but he's doing well, so. 12:46 And he's had, again we could see 12:48 the hand of the Lord in this 12:51 because five of the friends of the young man-- 12:54 the young man who got killed was heading for the ministry. 12:57 I'll say son of well known pastor 13:01 but through it all five of his friends 13:03 and friends of my son 13:05 rededicated their life to Christ. 13:07 They had walked away from the church 13:09 and because of the incident they rededicated their life. 13:12 In fact I remember being in the hospital with my son 13:15 and telling these five young men, 13:18 you know, we're grieving. It's good for us to grieve. 13:22 Let me tell you a story of another young man 13:24 that was killed, stoned to death and his friends grieved. 13:29 Of course we're talking about Steven. Yeah, Steven. 13:32 It says because of the death of Steven, 13:34 look who came to Christ. Paul. 13:36 Paul came to Christ. 13:38 And it's doubtful that Paul would have come to Christ 13:41 unless Steven was willing to go 13:42 at the time God called him to go. 13:44 So you're a scientist, you're well known scientist. 13:48 You go back to Caltech, you go on university campuses. 13:53 You've been to more than 300 university campuses 13:56 across the United States of America. 13:58 You lectured to thousands of other scientists 14:02 and yet you have a commitment to God 14:06 and you're a born again Christian 14:08 and Jesus is your Lord. Right. 14:11 Some people tell me there's such a conflict 14:14 between science and this book, the Bible, that this, 14:18 this great conflict cannot be resolved, 14:22 but it certainly has been resolved in your life. 14:26 Well, if God created the universe 14:30 and if God inspired the Bible-- Which He did. 14:33 Which he did and God can't lie. 14:35 Eight times He tells in the Bible, 14:37 it's impossible for God the lie or deceived. 14:40 That means the facts of nature 14:42 and the words of the Bible must completely agree 14:46 and cooperate one another. 14:48 The problem is theology 14:49 is not the same as the words of the Bible. 14:51 That's correct. It's our interpretation. 14:54 And science is not the same as the facts of nature, 14:57 its interpretation. Yes. 14:59 Therefore as a scientist and as the evangelist, 15:01 I would expect that science and theology 15:04 will on occasion contradict. 15:07 But that gives us the opportunity to say 15:09 let's study this more 15:11 and see where we've gone wrong 15:12 and how we can reconcile the two. 15:14 When you do that you'll learn truths 15:16 you otherwise would not learn. 15:18 And so we tell our people when we train them is 15:21 welcome the apparent contradictions 15:24 as you gonna learn something 15:25 by wrestling with those anomalies. 15:27 And keep your mind open. 15:28 Keep your mind open and realize this, 15:30 every time you resolve an anomaly, 15:33 God will show you three or four more anomalies 15:36 that gonna allow you to learn even more. Yeah. 15:39 And so to me this is a thrill, 15:41 this job of trying to reconcile the two books 15:45 and by wrestling through the anomalies 15:48 actually getting a more consistent 15:50 and deeper knowledge of the truth. 15:52 You know, God wants us to study and my whole point is, 15:56 that if you're a serious Christian 15:58 you are commanded by the Bible to be a scientist. 16:01 You are commanded to study the record of nature. 16:03 Psalm and Job especially bring that out. 16:06 But if you're a Christian, you're also commanded 16:08 to be a theologian. 16:09 We have to research and study the books of the Bible. 16:12 And what I see in university campuses 16:15 that scientists who are expert in their discipline, 16:18 but not the other science disciplines. 16:21 And a lot of them will say well, 16:22 the Darwinian paradigm isn't working in my discipline, 16:25 but I know the others got to figure it out. 16:28 Well, they're all saying that. 16:29 And so we integrate 16:31 the different scientific disciplines, 16:33 then you begin to see a common thread. 16:36 And this is what testifies of the Christian faith. 16:39 In many respects I think its harder for the scientist 16:41 to become Christians today, 16:43 because there isn't the effort to integrate 16:46 that there was a 100 years ago. 16:50 Can I tell you a little story? Sure. 16:51 Back in Australia, many years ago 16:53 when I was a young preacher and I've been preaching know, 16:56 the gospel and evangelist meetings for more 16:59 just over 50 years. Wow. 17:01 Fifty years and two months 17:03 and by the grace of God still going. 17:07 Well, I met an old man 17:09 his name was Mr. Mella or Mr. Mula. 17:12 He's an old German man. He came to my meetings. 17:16 When I had to visit him, he was a saint of God. 17:19 He was an old Lutheran and he said to me, 17:22 Pastor Carter, I'm a bigoted Lutheran. 17:26 I said bigoted. He said, yes. 17:29 I said, well, okay. 17:30 Well, I've heard of Missouri Lutheran somewhat. 17:33 This is a new type of Lutheran. 17:36 He's an Australian bigoted Lutheran. 17:39 And as we, as we continued to talk, 17:44 he kept talking about being bigoted. 17:46 He is talking about being bigoted. Oh, I see. 17:51 He said, I'm a bigoted Lutheran. 17:53 Well, I said, you don't want to be 17:55 too embarrassed, Mr. Mula. 17:58 We've got some bigoted Adventists. 18:01 And there are some bigoted Methodists 18:04 and bigoted Presbyterians and bigoted Catholics. 18:09 By the grace of God 18:10 we've got to get over being bigoted 18:13 and let God open up our minds to new ideas I believe. 18:19 Dr. Richard Dawkins I think in his own way is quite bigoted. 18:27 He is as you would know better than I do, 18:30 one of the most famous atheist in the world 18:32 and a militant atheist. Right. 18:36 I saw a DVD that I know that you're familiar with 18:40 and I know it had its drawbacks, but it's called Expelled. 18:47 Just trying to think of it, 18:49 Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Right. 18:52 And the final scene is a scene when Dr. Dawkins is interviewed 18:57 and the interviewer says Dr. Dawkins 19:00 do you believe in God? 19:02 He said, of course I don't believe in God. 19:03 This is completely nonsense. Nobody could believe in God. 19:07 No, I don't believe in God. 19:09 He said, don't even suggest that. He said no. 19:11 You wouldn't believe in intelligent design in nature. 19:14 He said, of course not--of course, 19:17 he said well, actually there is intelligent design in nature. 19:21 You've probably seen the DVD? I have. 19:23 And then he says, well, it didn't come from God, 19:27 but it came from a superior intelligence 19:30 somewhere out there in space. 19:34 Now we believe in a superior intelligence 19:40 out there in space, don't we? 19:42 Well, John, we saw that DVD before it was released 19:47 and they wanted us to endorse it. Yeah. 19:49 And we couldn't because I realized that they had... 19:54 Distort or something? 19:55 They had trapped Richard Dawkins. Oh. 19:58 If you watch the DVD very carefully, 20:00 you got to watch it extremely carefully 20:02 but I was picking it up on, 20:03 because I know that Richard Dawkin's faces before. 20:06 He was asked this question. 20:08 If you were forced to defend an intelligent design position, 20:12 how would you do it? 20:14 He says, well, I don't believe it. 20:15 But if I was forced to defend an intelligent design position, 20:18 I would say aliens from another planet 20:20 brought life here to planet earth. 20:22 So this doesn't come over in the DVD. 20:23 That doesn't come across that way. 20:26 And we thought, you know, this is going to get 20:27 a very negative reaction from scientists. 20:29 Because scientist hate deception 20:32 and the thing comes across as deceptive. 20:34 So he says, you know, 20:35 our goal is to maintain integrity with a scientific-- 20:38 Made for-- In other words 20:40 what you're saying this DVD actually fuels 20:44 the antipathy between believers and nonbelievers. 20:49 It made it worse. It made it worse. Right. 20:52 It is somewhat, what should I say, 20:56 it's a little sarcastic, isn't it? 20:58 Well, to me it was offensive 21:00 in the way they trapped Richard Dawkins 21:03 and they're apparently saying something he doesn't believe. 21:06 And that's a last thing you want to do 21:08 to a scientist who's trying to reach... 21:09 Because on the DVD he says, yes, 21:11 well if, if there is a--he says, 21:14 I can see intelligent design in nature. 21:17 Well, design is not the issue with scientist. 21:20 I mean, we actually read Dawkins book, 21:22 he's talking about design everywhere. 21:25 All scientists agree we see design in nature. 21:28 The big debate is who or what is responsible 21:31 for the design that we see. 21:33 Dawkins point is that Darwinian principles 21:36 can explain the design. 21:38 Our perspective is, no, you need an intelligent being, 21:42 who is spiritual, and mindful, and conscious. 21:46 Who is more powerful and more intelligent 21:48 and better equipped 21:51 than we human beings to explain we see. 21:53 Is it true to say that if one is-- 21:56 now you're, you're the authority on this 21:58 and therefore I'm asking you 22:01 this question as a seek of the truth. 22:06 Is it not true to say that 22:08 if a scientist who is an atheist an atheist and evolutionist 22:16 as no belief in a divine creator? 22:21 If he is completely honest, 22:23 will he not be forced to concede the truth 22:28 that he does not know how it started, the cell? 22:35 That is true. 22:36 If we look at the origin of life 22:38 what we notice is that it happened 22:41 in an instantaneous geologic instant. 22:43 So this is, now you're using the arguments that they use 22:51 to the extent that you're talking about the conditions 22:53 that they say existed, 22:56 but an atheistic evolutionist has to say 23:00 he's got no idea how they started. 23:02 Well, actually launch the discipline of astrobiology. 23:05 The recognition that the origin of life 23:08 happen on planet earth without any prebiotics 23:11 and in an instant of time has led to the conclusion, 23:15 it must have come from outer space. 23:16 Which is transpermia? Yeah. 23:18 Is that right? Right. 23:19 The whole idea and that's why they went to Mars 23:22 but the conditions on Mars are actually worse 23:24 for the original life than they are here on earth. 23:26 And so they kept pushing it farther and farther away 23:29 and then say its all must have happen on 23:31 some unknown planetary system 23:33 and got transported across interstellar space 23:37 by a member attending an origin of life 23:39 research conference in Mexico where a researcher got up 23:44 and the astronomer said planet earth only gets one rock 23:48 the size of a human fist from the other planetary system 23:52 every 10 to the 16 years. 23:55 That's a million times more than the age of the universe. 23:59 And therefore we couldn't have gotten life that way. 24:02 And finally a fellow came up to the microphone, 24:04 a scientist and said we've been debating 24:06 the origin of life for four days now. 24:09 We ruled out earth from a naturalistic perspective. 24:12 We ruled out other solar system planets. 24:14 We ruled out comets. 24:16 We ruled out other planetary systems. 24:19 There's only one explanation left. 24:22 Aliens on spaceships came to planet earth 24:25 and they deposited life here on planet earth 24:27 and probably they came back with the Cambrian explosion 24:31 and maybe they came back for the origin of human race. 24:33 Well, that's a wonderful statement of faith, isn't that? 24:35 Well, the problem from an astronomer's perspective, 24:39 there's a narrow time window in the history of the universe 24:42 in which advance life is possible. 24:45 Some Christians not all by any means, 24:47 but some Christians are afraid of the term the Big Bang. Yes. 24:54 I've mentioned it, when I have been preaching. 24:56 Because I believe it is a wonderful illustration that, 25:01 that shows the authenticity of scripture. 25:04 The Big Bang seems to say that 25:07 once upon a time there was nothing 25:08 and all of a sudden there's everything. 25:13 Some people are afraid that if you believe the Big Bang 25:17 you got to believe in evolution. Can you comment on that? 25:21 That's very interesting 25:23 about the history of Big Bang cosmology. 25:26 When the Big Bang was first proposed 25:28 by a Belgian priest back in the 1920s, 25:33 there was an immediate reaction 25:34 from the astronomical community-- 25:36 who said if it's Big Bang we only got billions of years. 25:40 If we only got billions of years 25:42 there's no way to defend a Darwinian paradigm 25:45 for the origin of history of life. 25:47 We have to somehow make the universe 25:49 at least trillions of years old 25:51 if not quad millions of years old. Goodness. 25:54 But after 60 years of fighting against the Big Bang 25:57 the community of astronomers says 25:59 the evidence is so strong 26:01 we have to recognize that there is a Big Bang 26:04 and a beginning and the cause of age 26:07 beyond space and time that created it. 26:09 Describe to me in the, 26:11 in the words of an astronomer the Big Bang. 26:14 What is the Big Bang? 26:16 Well, I started studying astronomy seriously 26:18 when I was seven years of age. 26:19 In fact I chose my career when I was eight years of age. 26:23 And every year I will look 26:25 at a different sub-discipline of astronomy. 26:28 And when I was 16 I studied cosmology. 26:30 And that's when I realized 26:31 the evidence was heavily favoring 26:33 the Big Bang explanation. 26:36 And that's what led me to the recognition 26:37 there's got to be a God 26:39 'cause if there's Big Bang there is a beginning, 26:41 when there is a beginning, there is a beginner 26:43 and that's when I started to study 26:45 the different religions of the world. 26:46 Because not all scientists believed 26:49 that there had been a Big Bang. 26:52 At that time there was still people promoting 26:55 the Steady State theory, the Oscillating Universe Theory 26:59 and I studied those models 27:00 but realize there was a lot of observational evidence 27:03 against Steady State cosmology 27:06 and they hesitating an oscillating universe models. 27:09 But do you know when I finally picked up a Bible at age 17 27:12 and began to go through it. 27:14 I recognized this book had taught 27:16 Big Bang cosmology thousands of years 27:19 before any astronomer discovered it. 27:21 Let me describe it. 27:22 It talks about how there's a beginning. 27:24 Most people who've read the Bible realize that, 27:27 they could read the text carefully, 27:29 it says the beginning of the universe 27:31 is the beginning of space and time itself 27:35 and that God created universe of matter, 27:38 energy, space and time independent outside beyond 27:42 space, time, matter, and energy. 27:44 So God's not a part of space and time 27:46 and any of these things, does He? 27:47 He is over and beyond that. 27:49 Well, space and time didn't exist 27:50 until He created the universe. 27:53 Now this is important 27:54 because in fact in Hinduism and Buddhism for example, 27:57 it speaks about space and time being eternal entities 28:01 in which God creates. 28:03 The Bible says no, space and time are finite. 28:06 They are created by God and He creates a universe. 28:10 So that was important to me 28:11 and then I realized as I read into the Book of Job and Psalms 28:15 and specially Isaiah and Jeremiah, 28:18 the Bible taught that the universe 28:19 was continuously expanding and I was being 28:22 continuously expanded by a supernatural being 28:26 who is tinkling with the cosmic expansion 28:28 to make sure you can get life in human beings. 28:32 No book outside of the Bible 28:35 taught that until the 20th century. 28:37 For thousands of years the Bible stood alone in saying 28:41 we live in a continuously expanding universe 28:44 and a continuously expanding universe 28:46 that expands under constant laws of physics. 28:49 And also describes in detail in the Book of Romans 28:52 one of those laws of law of decay. 28:55 If you read Romans carefully 28:57 it's a very accurate description, 28:59 it's a second law of thermodynamics. 29:01 And it says okay, if the universe 29:03 is continuously expanding under constant laws of physics, 29:07 for one of those laws 29:08 is the second law of thermodynamics, 29:10 a law of decay. 29:12 That means the universe must get colder and colder 29:15 in a highly predictable way. Yes, it must run down. 29:18 It must run down 29:20 and if we know the age of the universe 29:22 we can actually determine what the Bible says 29:25 exactly what the temperature curve 29:26 will look like throughout cosmic history. 29:29 Guess what? It's a perfect fit. 29:32 Everything the Bible says about the universe 29:34 and it said so uniquely for thousands of years, 29:37 we now know is true. 29:39 And as a teenager that was probably 29:41 the most crucial point in convincing me 29:45 that the Bible had to come from the being beyond space 29:49 and time that created universe. 29:50 Therefore the term Big Bang is a descriptive term 29:55 used by scientists to talk about 29:58 the creation of the universe-- Right. 30:01 Space and time and everything else. 30:06 Now you believe 30:11 and virtually the whole scientific world believes 30:14 that this took place 13.7 billion years ago. Right. 30:22 That's when the cosmos came into place 30:25 through the hand of Almighty God. Right. 30:28 billion years go. 30:33 I'm going to ask you this question, 30:36 how do you know the universe is 13.7 billion years ago? 30:42 And how do you know 30:43 that this is not just another idea 30:47 that scientists are going to give up one day? 30:50 I'm going to ask you that question, 30:52 but firstly, we are going to have a message. 30:56 And I want you to look at this message very, very carefully. 31:00 Then after this message I'll be back with Dr. Hugh Ross 31:04 as we talk about the age of the universe. 31:08 Stay with us. 31:13 We believe in the public proclamation 31:15 of all the mighty truths of God's saving 31:18 and transforming Word, around the world, 31:20 in Russia, Ukraine, India, Africa, 31:23 the Philippines, Australia, America 31:26 and the Isles of the Sea. 31:27 Millions have been powerfully touched by the Spirit of God 31:31 as the true gospel has been proclaimed. 31:34 Please be a part of the Carter Report team 31:36 by praying, giving, and when God calls by going. 31:39 Please write today to PO Box 1900, 31:42 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358 31:46 or to PO Box 861, 31:49 Terrigal, NSW 2260, Australia. 31:53 Your gift will light a candle in a dark place. 31:56 Your gift will bring the gospel of Christ to a lost soul. 31:59 Please write today. 32:13 Welcome back. 32:15 We are talking to Dr. Hugh Ross, a famous astronomer. 32:18 Welcome back, Dr. Ross. Thank you. 32:20 How do you know that the universe 32:22 is 13.7 billion years old? Good question. 32:27 I actually wrote an entire book on that subject 32:29 "The Creator and the Cosmos." 32:31 There is about a dozen different independent tools, 32:34 astronomers have for measuring the time back 32:37 to the cosmic creation event. 32:39 And you're talking as a scientist as an astronomer, 32:42 but also as a Christian who believes the Bible. Right. 32:47 And to me one of the more fascinating things about 32:50 our discovery of the cosmic creation event is recognizing 32:54 that we human beings are existing 32:56 at the only time and cosmic history, 33:00 but we get to see the whole history of the universe. 33:03 So for example, if God places on the cosmic scene 33:06 five billion years ago 33:08 we will only be seen two thirds of the history of the universe. 33:11 We would have no data from the cosmic creation event. 33:14 Because in astronomy we are always looking back in time 33:18 that takes light time to travel to our telescope. 33:21 So the farther way we look, the farter back in time we see. 33:24 But if we were created too early 33:27 right from the cosmic creation event 33:29 does not have adequate time 33:31 to travel on the surface of the universe 33:33 and reach our telescopes. 33:35 But if we were created any later, 33:37 dark energy something we have just discovered 33:40 is causing the universe to accelerate 33:42 in terms of this expansion 33:44 will speed the light from the cosmic creation event 33:47 away from us greater than the velocity of light. 33:49 We are going to talk about this dark energy 33:51 in a moment. Sure. 33:52 But tell me how do you know 33:53 the universe is 13.7 billion years old? Okay. 33:58 Well, that's a theological reason. 34:00 There is only one time in the history of the universe 34:02 namely when its 13.7 billion years old 34:05 where you get to see the whole story. 34:07 But how can you measure? 34:09 How we can measure that? 34:11 Okay, the two methods 34:12 that give us a greatest precision 34:15 is looking at the radiation in the cosmic creation event. 34:18 What we call the cosmic background radiation 34:21 which is, you know, because we are looking back in time. 34:23 Astronomers can now look so far back in time, 34:26 so far away that we see that moment 34:29 when light was separated from darkness. 34:32 But the sizes of the bright spots and the dark spots 34:36 are proportional to the age of the universe. 34:38 So the spots have become bigger or smaller 34:41 depending how long universe has been around. 34:44 And by measuring carefully those spot diameters 34:48 we can determine that the universe 34:49 is 13.76 billion years old plus or minus .11 billion. 34:55 We are now getting it to three places the decimal. 34:58 The second most accurate way 34:59 of measuring the age of the universe 35:02 is to look at clusters of galaxies 35:04 and we realize is that these bright spots 35:07 in the cosmic background radiation, 35:09 when light was separated from darkness 35:11 they become the future galaxies and clusters of galaxies. 35:15 And by mapping the clusters of galaxies that we see, 35:19 now that will also 35:21 in terms of where they are geographically distributed 35:23 give us a date for when the universe was created 35:27 and it agrees perfectly with the date 35:29 we get from looking at the cosmic background radiation. 35:32 Now the simplest way to measure the age of the universe 35:35 is to look at how fast the universe is expanding. 35:38 I mean, in order to get carbon, 35:40 oxygen and nitrogen in the universe, 35:42 the universe has to begin 35:44 infinitesimally small and infinitesimally hot. 35:48 How do you know it is expanding? 35:50 Because we can see the galaxy spreading apart. 35:53 You can actually see it? 35:54 Well, because we astronomers look back in time, 35:58 we can look at galaxies that are say 36:00 two billion light years away 36:02 which means you're seeing them two billion years ago. 36:05 We can also look at a part of the universe. 36:07 We are looking 10 or 12 billion light years away. 36:10 Now once you notice is the far the way you look, 36:13 the closer the galaxies are jammed together. 36:16 In fact, I could show you a photograph 36:17 that is actually one in this book. 36:19 Yes, I have seen them. 36:20 Where I show you we are looking back 36:22 12 billion light years and the galaxies are jammed 36:25 so tightly together 36:27 they are literally ripping spiral alarms off one another. 36:29 We call them Tadpole Galaxies. 36:32 But if you look say two billion light years away 36:35 the galaxies have now spread apart. 36:37 And of course, you got many photo images in between 36:40 as kind of like looking at an album 36:44 of say your grandfather where you see a photograph, 36:47 when he is a baby and a toddler, 36:49 then a teenager and a young man and an older man. 36:52 We can actually see the universe getting older and older 36:55 more and more stretched apart, 36:57 more and more expanded as the universe goes 37:00 in the cosmic creation event to the present day. 37:02 This is very impressive. 37:04 A millisecond after the Big Bang or the moment of creation, 37:08 there were four forces, were they not in the universe? 37:12 By a millisecond you got four forces. 37:14 If you're at (10 to the (-43)) seconds 37:17 you got one, then it becomes two, 37:20 then three, then four. 37:21 What are the four? 37:23 The four are gravity, electromagnetism, 37:27 the strong nuclear force 37:29 and the weak nuclear force. Okay. 37:31 And this is where we use particle accelerators 37:33 because in particle accelerators 37:35 we duplicate the energy density conditions 37:38 when the universe was very young 37:40 and we actually have particle accelerate experiments 37:43 that show the unification of electromagnetism 37:47 with the weak nuclear force. 37:49 And now we are going after 37:50 to the confirmation of the unification 37:53 of the strong nuclear force with the electro weak force. 37:56 There's a balance between these four forces? Right. 38:00 Talk to me about this, please. 38:02 Well, if you want stars that will be stable enough 38:05 so that you have planets with life on them. 38:08 It's critical that you balance the force of electromagnetism 38:13 to the force of gravity to better than 38:15 trillion, trillion, trillion. 38:19 If you would change the ratio-- One part, one part to what? 38:22 One part in ten of the fortieth. 38:24 If you were to disturb 38:25 the ratio of the electromagnetic force 38:27 to the gravitational force by as little as one part 38:30 and ten of the fortieth, 38:32 stars will either not form at all 38:34 or they will form and instantly explode. 38:37 In both cases life is not possible. 38:40 These figures are somewhat 38:41 incomprehensible to the human mind. 38:46 Tell it to be again, what is the balance again? 38:49 If you are to disturb 38:51 the ratio of the electromagnetic force 38:53 to the gravitational force by as little as one part 38:57 in 10,000 trillion, trillion, trillion-- 39:00 That's probably more than the atoms in the universe. 39:04 Well, not quite. 39:05 There is 10 of the 79 protons and neutrons in the universe. 39:09 But you know what? 39:10 I didn't give you my best example. No. 39:13 My example would be the fine tuning in dark energy. 39:18 Let's talk about this dark energy 39:20 because I understand 39:23 when you look out in the heavens, 39:25 look up at the stars 39:28 we only see a tiny percentage of what's really out there 39:32 about only we see less than one percent. 39:35 Is it not true when we see the light and stars? 39:39 No, yeah, we now know 39:42 that the universe is dominated by dark stuff. How much? 39:44 The stars and galaxies and the gas clouds 39:48 that we see make up only .27% 39:52 of all the stuff of the universe. 39:53 The universe is 99.73% dark stuff. 39:58 This is somewhat a recent discovery? 40:01 Well, it's difficult to detect the dark stuff 40:04 because it's not going to emit light. 40:06 We detected it by looking at the gravitational influence 40:10 that the dark stuff imposes on the stuff we can't see. 40:13 Most of the stuff is dark stuff. Right. 40:16 We see it, and we don't see it. 40:18 Well, we don't its light, 40:20 but we do see its gravitational influence. 40:22 No. We know it exists. 40:24 We know it exists and we know it has three different forms. 40:27 And by the way the Bible said it first, 40:29 it's in Job 38:19-20, where God ask the question. 40:34 "Do you know where darkness resides? 40:36 Can you take me to its place?" 40:38 What I found interesting reading that 40:40 when I was 19 years of age is that it's actually saying, 40:44 that darkness is a substance. 40:46 I was thought as the young man 40:48 that darkness is simply the absence of life. 40:51 But the Bible says it's a substance. 40:53 It's says it's got locations. Quite amazing. 40:56 Well, what's really amazing is 40:58 we know there's three different kinds of darkness. 41:01 And we know that the quantity of the three different kinds 41:04 of darkness gives us the most spectacular evidence 41:08 we have today for supernatural, super intelligent design. 41:12 The second most spectacular evidence 41:15 is the specific locations 41:17 of the three different kinds of darkness. 41:19 It's like God in the Book of Job was pointing us 41:22 to the most powerful evidences in nature, 41:25 whether it's His supernatural handiwork. 41:27 Now the universe is expanding. Yes. 41:29 This is a fact. Yes. 41:32 That cannot be debated because the universe-- 41:35 No, no, yeah. The universe is expanding. 41:38 What relationship is there 41:40 between the expansion of the universe 41:42 and some of this dark matter or dark energy? 41:46 Well, the universe is expanding at almost a constant rate. 41:51 And that's one way we get the age of the universe, you know. 41:54 Look at the size of the universe, 41:55 divide by the expansion rate 41:57 that gives you the age, an easy calculation. 42:00 But today we can measure the cosmic expansion rate 42:03 with sufficient precision that we realize 42:06 that the universe was expanding at a rate about 1% less 42:10 when it was young and about 1% more at its current stage. 42:14 It's going little faster. It's going little faster. 42:17 And that's what actually led to the discovery of dark energy. 42:21 Dark energy is the energy embedded 42:23 in the space surface of the universe. 42:26 And the universe is kind of analogous to planet earth. 42:28 Earth has three dimensions 42:30 but we live on the two dimensional surface 42:33 of the three dimensional earth. 42:34 All the stars and galaxies, all of man and energy 42:38 is constrained to the three dimensional surface 42:41 of the four dimensional expanding universe. 42:44 And what we now recognize is that 42:46 because of dark energy as the universe expands, 42:50 the surface gets bigger and bigger. 42:52 And therefore the influence of dark energy to accelerate 42:56 the expansion of the universe 42:57 gets stronger and stronger as time goes by. 43:00 And matter works the opposite way. 43:03 I mean, everybody knows that we got two massive bodies. 43:06 The law of gravity means 43:07 that they will tend to attract one and another. 43:10 And the closer they are together, 43:11 even more powerfully they attract. 43:13 But when the universe is young, 43:15 the bits and pieces of matter are close together. 43:18 And therefore there's a powerful break on the cosmic expansion. 43:22 But as the universe expands the bits and pieces of matter 43:25 get spread apart, gravity gets weaker and weaker 43:28 and its capacity to slow down cosmic expansion. 43:32 Dark energy is just the opposite. 43:34 Its weakest when the space surface is small 43:36 and strongest when it is large. 43:39 A moment ago, you said, you're going to give us 43:44 an amazing piece of evidence that points to a great designer 43:48 and you see this was start up with this dark stuff. 43:52 Tell me about it. Okay. 43:54 And make it simple, so I can get this, you know. 43:55 I think this will be simple. 43:57 Because I think the people out there are saying, 43:59 "just make this simple," so doctor make this simple. 44:01 All right. This is great material. 44:03 And this helps me to be forced into the position 44:07 where I must believe in a creator God. 44:10 Okay, here is so simple it is. 44:12 If you expand the universe too quickly 44:14 from the cosmic creation event, 44:16 the bits and pieces of matter will fly apart from one another 44:20 so rapidly that gravity will never build 44:22 or collect any of that stuff to make stars and planets. 44:26 But if you expand the universe too slowly 44:28 then gravity is going to collect everything 44:30 into black holes and neutron stars. 44:33 In order to get the stars and planets 44:36 that are going to be optimal for life, 44:38 especially advance life, you have to expand the universe 44:41 at just the right rates, at just the right times 44:44 so that all the cosmic history. 44:46 And it's such that we have to fine tune dark energy 44:51 to better than one part in 10 to the 122nd power. 44:56 That's 122 zeros after the 1. 44:59 In order to make a point here, because you know, 45:03 Mike Peter's astronomy & physics 45:05 were not believers in Jesus Christ, 45:07 would agree with me that the physics demands 45:11 that there must be a causal agent beyond space 45:14 in time that creates the universe. 45:15 So one sense they're idiots, 45:17 they believe that there is something beyond the universe 45:20 that makes the universe-- Because of the odds. 45:22 But they deny that God is personal. 45:25 But how we refute that let's say, 45:26 if you look at the dark energy, 45:28 it must be fine tuned within one part and 10 to the 122nd power 45:33 to make life possible, let alone human life. 45:36 Yeah, I can compare that with a very best example 45:40 of human engineering design. 45:43 The best example I could give you 45:45 of a humanly engineered design instrument 45:48 would be the gravity wave telescope known as LIGO. 45:53 Most amazing machine ever built. 45:55 It can make measurements to one part in 10 to 23 power. 45:59 But notice this best design machine, 46:02 it's ever been done by human beings, 46:05 ranks 10 to the 98 times inferior to the level of design 46:10 we see in dark energy that makes our existence possible. 46:14 You know what that tells me about 46:15 this agent beyond space and time, 46:17 He is atleast 10 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, 46:21 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, times-- 46:23 Oh, goodness. 46:24 More intelligent and more knowledgeable 46:26 then the Caltech and MIT physicists 46:29 that designed this amazing instrument. 46:31 And at least that many times better funded 46:33 than the US government that made it all possible. 46:36 Therefore as agent beyond space and time 46:40 must be a personal being because only a personal being 46:43 can manifest the attributes of intellect, 46:46 knowledge, creativity and power-- 46:48 How great this God must be? How great this God must be. 46:51 And He became a man in a person of Christ. 46:53 He did. He did. 46:55 This is almost too much for us to take in, is it? 46:57 Well, it is too much for us to take in. 46:59 Well, let me put it more simply too. 47:02 When you got people like Richard-- 47:03 You sound like an evangelist. 47:05 Yeah, well, as I am an evangelist. 47:07 But when I see these people like Stephen Hawking 47:10 and Richard Dawkins, Victor Stenger 47:12 making points like, you know, 47:14 there is no God it all came from matter. 47:18 But how can the conscious come from the non-conscious? 47:22 How can the living come from the nonliving? 47:24 How can the mindful come from that which has no mind? 47:28 How can the spiritual come from that which is not spiritual? 47:31 Everything in science tells us 47:33 that the principle of causing effect holds, 47:37 and that the effects cannot be bigger than the causes. 47:40 But if you take an atheist at the real view, 47:42 you are demanding bigger effects and the causes 47:45 and bigger by many, many orders of magnitude 47:48 that violates the scientific method. 47:50 I'm convinced. 47:54 Is planet earth in a special place in the universe? 47:59 I think it's in a special place and also a special time. 48:04 We are here at the right time and the right place. 48:06 Tell me, now you folks stay with us here 48:10 because this is material you're not gonna hear anywhere else, 48:14 so you really listen up 48:16 because this is once in a lifetime, golden opportunity. 48:20 Tell me planet earth in a special place, 48:23 in a special time? 48:24 Oh, we are not at the center of the solar system, 48:26 we are not at the center of our galaxy. 48:28 And our galaxy is not at the center of the clusters-- 48:30 How many galaxies in the universe? 48:32 Oh, a little more than 200 billion, 48:34 medium and large size galaxies 48:36 and about 100 times as many dwarf galaxies. 48:38 And the universe is actually a million times bigger 48:41 than we see it because-- 48:43 Well, at least several hundred times 48:45 because the universe we see is the universe of the past. 48:48 And the universe is expanding, 48:50 so the universe of today must be bigger 48:53 than the universe that we see through telescopes. 48:56 Tell me how is the earth in a special place 48:59 in the universe and special time. 49:01 Well, special for two reasons, 49:03 we are living at the one locale 49:05 within these 50 billion, trillion stars that we can see, 49:09 where we can survive and thrive. 49:12 I mean, I can conceive maybe of other places in the universe 49:15 where you might be that bacterial life 49:17 living for a few months. 49:19 But we are living on the one planet 49:21 were advance life is possible. 49:23 It's safe. We are in a safe spot. 49:25 I mean, if we were at the center of the galaxy, 49:27 we would be wiped out by the super giant black hole here. 49:31 And if we are too far away from the center of the galaxy, 49:33 we wouldn't have the elements 49:34 that we would need to make advance life possible. 49:37 And we are also living what's called 49:38 the cold rotation distance, 49:40 where our solar system goes around the center of the galaxy 49:44 at the same rate the spiral structure rotates. 49:47 That's the safe spot to be, but it's also the one place 49:50 where you get a clear view of the universe. 49:52 It's the darkest spot. 49:53 We are living in the darkest life conceivable location 49:56 or galaxy and our galaxy is in darkest life 50:00 conceivable location in the universe. 50:02 Somebody wants us to look out. That's my whole point. 50:05 The Bible tells us the heavens declare the glory of God, 50:09 but we have astronomers discovered is, 50:11 there's only one place where you can recide in this vast universe 50:15 where you get to see the whole story of the universe 50:18 from the moment it was created right up to the present day. 50:21 It's the safest place, the best place to live, 50:24 the only place were advance life can survive and thrive. 50:27 But it's also the only place where you can do astrophysics. 50:30 As a scientist who is also a devout Christian 50:33 what would you say to a young person 50:35 who has been confronted by arguments say 50:38 from Professor Dawkins, "That there is no God?" 50:41 What would you say to a young person 50:44 who is honestly searching for true faith? 50:47 Well, I would tell me that I know of many prominent 50:50 atheist scientists who have become Christians. 50:53 Who were not raised in Christian homes 50:55 including Nobel Laureate, but what they've all said 50:59 is that there is four evidences that persuaded him 51:03 that the God of the Bible must be the creator. 51:06 Number one, the creation of the universe, 51:08 the space time theorems prove 51:10 that they are must be an agent beyond 51:12 space and time that created universe. 51:14 The second piece of evidence is the design of the universe 51:18 that makes life possible. 51:20 As Freeman Dyson an agnostic physicist put it, 51:22 when you look at the universe, you cannot avoid the conclusion 51:26 that somehow the universe knew we were coming. 51:29 It was designed in advance 51:31 in a very highly fine tuned way for human beings. 51:34 Some people call this the Anthropic Principle. 51:37 The third piece of evidence Origin of Life, 51:40 when you look at the Origin of Life you realize 51:42 there's no naturalistic pathway to make it possible. 51:46 If you got no prebiotics, and no time, 51:48 you got no naturalistic possible explanation. 51:52 God must have created it. Sure. 51:53 And the fourth piece of evidence 51:55 and by the way there's more than four. 51:57 But these are the four that they consistently name 52:00 that persuaded them to become Christians. 52:02 Number four is the origin of human beings. 52:05 And it was Francisco Ayala, 52:07 a famous evolutionary biologisth as said, 52:10 "We all know that the first life was unicellular bacterial life." 52:15 If you start with bacteria and you assume very optimistic 52:19 Darwinian principles are in affect. 52:22 The best that Dawkins could ever imagine, 52:24 the probability that you would wind up 52:26 with human beings or the functional equivalent, 52:29 that probability is less than one chance 52:31 in 10 to the 1 millionth power 52:34 and I always making the point that Darwinian Evolution 52:38 always favors simplicity over complexity. 52:41 But we see in the history of life is the opposite. 52:44 You go from simplicity to increasing levels of complexity. 52:48 And moreover, we're now recognizing as Psalm 104 states 52:52 "Every life form that's ever existed in the face of the earth 52:55 plays a role in preparing the planet for human beings." 52:59 And also I would add if you look at the Faint sun paradox, 53:03 in fact, three physicists corrected Francisco Ayala 53:05 and said you assumed that the solar system 53:08 was constant over time, we know that's not true. 53:12 The sun gets brighter and brighter, 53:13 as it gets older and older. 53:15 As we look at the history of earth, 53:17 you see this in Psalm 104, 53:19 it's a property of all like die off, 53:21 but God recreates and renews the face of the earth. 53:25 God knows the future physics of the sun 53:27 that it's getting brighter and brighter. 53:29 Therefore He steps in and removes life from planet earth 53:33 replaces it with new life that more efficiently pulls 53:36 greenhouse gases out of the earth's atmosphere. 53:39 So the sun gets brighter and brighter, 53:41 the life on planet earth compensates 53:44 by pulling out the greenhouse gases, 53:46 so that the temperature in the surfaceof the earth 53:48 remains ideal for life. 53:50 A profound challenge the evolutionary paradigm, 53:53 because now you need someone 53:55 who knows the future physics of the sun 53:57 with great precision to make sure 53:59 you got the right life on the planet, 54:01 at the right time to keep everything ideal 54:04 and at the same time build up bio-deposits, 54:07 that the future human species 54:09 will need to launch and sustain civilization. 54:12 And John Barrow and Frank Tipler have said 54:16 the probability is actually 54:18 less of one chance in 10 to the 24 millionth power. 54:22 Dr. Ross? Yes. 54:24 I want to thank you today. 54:26 You have given us many, many, many reasons to believe 54:32 there's a great creator God. 54:35 And I want to thank you so much today 54:36 for being our special guest. 54:38 I want to thank you too for joining us. 54:41 Please write to me here in the United States 54:43 at John Carter Post Office Box 1900, 54:46 Thousand Oaks, CA 91358. 54:50 In Australia, write to me at the address 54:52 on the screen at Terrigal. 54:55 You and I have reasons to believe 55:00 and so until next time may God richly bless you. 55:07 The Carter report is a self supporting ministry 55:10 with a global mission. 55:11 We believe that the most important thing 55:13 that we can do in this tremendous hour 55:16 is to tell people about the Lord Jesus Christ 55:19 because Jesus said, 55:21 "I am the way, the truth and life." 55:24 We do not believe that this is business as usual. 55:28 We believe that we are living in the closing hours, 55:31 in the history of this world. 55:33 Bless your heart, friend. 55:35 Look at the signs that are being fulfilled almost every day. 55:38 The signs of the times are shouting at us, 55:41 and they're saying, "Jesus is coming soon." 55:45 I want you to be my partner in global mission. 55:48 I want you to be my partner in helping 55:51 to tell the world about the coming of Jesus. 55:54 I want you to be my partner 55:56 in the preaching of the distinctive truths 55:59 of the Three Angels' messages. 56:02 Please check us out 56:04 at the New Carter Report website, cartereport.org. 56:09 We have a special section whereby you can ask questions 56:14 and I will give you the answers 56:16 from the living Word of the living God. 56:19 That is the cartereport.org. 56:24 My friend, we want you to join us 56:27 in the mission to preach the gospel in China, in India, 56:32 in Australia, in Africa, in the United States of America, 56:37 wherever people are lost and wherever people need to hear 56:42 the good news that Jesus saves. 56:45 Please check us out, 56:47 the new carter report website, cartereport.org. 56:52 I want to hear from you today. |
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