Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001412
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00:07 From Arcadia, California, the Carter Report presents
00:10 The Living Word around the world. 00:17 Hello, Friend, I'm John Carter. 00:19 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:21 We have an exciting program today 00:23 because we have an exciting guest. 00:26 His name is Alan Reinach. 00:28 Alan is in attorney, 00:30 and Alan does a tremendous work here in North America. 00:34 He serves as the director of the Church State Council, 00:38 and he is the president of the North American 00:41 Religious Liberty Association West. 00:46 We're delighted that he's here today. 00:47 We're going to be dealing with some of the great issues 00:50 that concern your freedom. 00:53 Stay with us. 00:58 I wish you'd come with me 01:00 to a land of more than a billion souls 01:05 all in need of hearing the gospel of Christ. 01:08 Did you know this my friend, it is the duty of the Christian 01:14 to take gospel of Christ to our lost world? 01:18 And the lost world I'm talking about right now is India, 01:22 land of millions and millions are pagan god's 01:27 but more than a billion lost souls. 01:33 India cries out for God. 01:35 We are now back on India TV. 01:39 We're broadcasting on prime time in India. 01:42 We need your prayers, we need your support. 01:45 Is it easy in India? 01:47 No, it's a hardest place we've ever worked. 01:50 Harder than Russia? 01:52 Harder than Russia. 01:53 Harder than America? 01:54 Harder than America. 01:56 Harder than Australia? 01:57 Harder than Australia. 01:59 Because it is a land that's given over 02:01 almost totally to the demonism. 02:04 Now I could tell you about those demons, 02:06 I could tell you about the false gods, 02:08 but what I want to tell you today 02:10 is about the true God, 02:11 and the true God who told us go in all the world 02:14 and preach the gospel every creature. 02:17 We're back in India. 02:19 Yes, we're back in India, by the grace of God 02:21 we're back in India to stay. 02:24 We want you to come with us, we want you to pray for India, 02:27 we want you to give for India and do it today. 02:31 Please write to me, John Carter, 02:33 Post Office Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, California. 02:36 Write to me at Terrigal in Australia. 02:39 Email me, contact me, and say, yes, 02:42 I'm going to stand with you in the preaching of the gospel, 02:45 to the lost souls of India. 02:47 Thank you, in Jesus name and God bless you. 02:58 Alan, we're just delighted to have you with us today. 03:01 It's my pleasure, John. 03:03 And we're delighted to have this right audience, 03:05 that is watching around the world 03:07 because we got a great program for you today on liberty 03:12 and your liberty threatened. 03:15 Alan, tell me a little bit about your background. 03:17 Would you please? 03:18 Well, I was raised in a very secular 03:22 Jewish home in New York city. 03:24 A great city. The city. 03:26 Yeah, that's what people from New York say. 03:29 We call it the city. 03:30 Yeah, of course. Absolutely. 03:32 I come from a an old Wall Street family. 03:35 My grand father at started at New York stock exchange, 03:38 brokerage firm way back one, 03:41 left New York in the summer of 1929, 03:44 saw the crash coming. 03:47 A Jewish family, an extinguish Jewish family, 03:51 I have tremendous empathy with the Jewish people. 03:57 I love to tell people who not always aware of this, 04:00 you know, not everybody is aware of the fact 04:02 that Jesus Christ was a Jew. 04:05 And all of the disciple were Jews. 04:08 And so when we got a Jewish gentlemen 04:11 from New York on our program 04:13 we are doubly blessed. 04:16 Tell me about your spiritual journey. 04:21 Well, you know, I've read a lot of history 04:23 when I was young in my preteen and teenage years, and I-- 04:28 the history really inspired me to want 04:30 to make a difference and to see, 04:33 you know, what was the meaning in purpose of my life? 04:36 And that led me to a spiritual journey. 04:39 I just I was kind of an agnostic for a long time, 04:43 maybe even in atheist 04:45 but somehow I just had to know who God was 04:48 and if He had a plan for my life. 04:51 How did you go on this journey? 04:52 Did you start reading or how did you start? 04:56 You know, I was pretty incompetent frankly. 04:58 I don't believe that. 04:59 Because, you know, 05:01 I mean at one point I literally, 05:03 I had done a lot of study 05:05 into mystical experience, drug experience, 05:09 religious experience, took a course, 05:11 actually a university course devoted to that. 05:15 But I finally one day stood up 05:18 and shook my fist at the ceiling at God, 05:20 and I said God, 05:22 if You're there how am I gonna find You? 05:25 Where am I gonna go? 05:26 What mountain am I gonna climb? 05:27 What ocean am I gonna cross? 05:29 I didn't see that there was something, 05:32 you know, some place I could go, 05:34 I really didn't know how to find Him 05:36 and I just kind of challenged Him 05:39 to reveal Himself to me. 05:41 And few months later I got a phone call 05:43 from an old friend he said Alan, 05:46 you got to come out here and see me, 05:47 oh, I have the truth of the universe, 05:49 that turned me on to. 05:50 Well, he was an amazing man, 05:51 he had the truth of the universe. 05:53 Well, you know, somehow I mean yeah, 05:55 he was a kind of guy could sell ice to the Eskimos. 05:58 But I was you know, I was impressed 06:00 that I'd needed to go see him, and--. 06:03 So, it's a long way from Hawaii to New York. 06:07 Yeah, well, I was in Arizona at that time of the school. 06:10 And, you know, I've learned that the Lord 06:12 really does work in mysterious ways 06:14 and He doesn't fit into the boxes 06:16 that we make for Him. 06:17 Very good. 06:18 I needed $300 to buy a plane ticket, 06:21 round trip ticket to go see my friend David, in Hawaii. 06:24 No where I got my $300 to go here, 06:27 the gospel of Jesus Christ 06:28 for the very first time was gambling. 06:32 I played backgammon with my brother and I won $300. 06:36 You the hymn, "God moves in a mysterious way. 06:39 His wonders to perform." 06:42 You know, I challenge you or our listeners, 06:44 to tell me that you know the God that 06:46 you think of the box you put in-- 06:48 Him in that He's going to help somebody win at gambling to go 06:54 and buy a ticket to go hear the gospel. 06:55 So the God is bigger than boxes? 06:57 He is. He is very big. 06:58 So get out to Hawaii. 07:00 It takes us where we're at? 07:02 Yeah, yes. That's what He does. 07:05 He takes us where He finds us. 07:06 Yeah. Yeah. So you go to Hawaii? 07:09 This man preaches the gospel to you. 07:11 First thing he says to me out is, Alan, 07:13 how do you know right form wrong? 07:15 Thought about it for-- 07:16 Oh, very good question. 07:17 I thought about it for five minutes, 07:19 I finally answered and said, I just know. 07:23 I can't tell you how I know. 07:25 And then he starts to explain the Ten Commandments 07:28 and how God gave us commandments 07:30 to teach us right wrong, 07:32 and you know that was a new thought to me, 07:34 I never thought about it that way. 07:36 You know, how C. S. Lewis found his way to God? 07:39 The great Oxford scholar. 07:41 I don't. 07:42 Well, he was on the frontline, 07:44 he was in the trenches during the First World War. 07:47 He was an agnos-- no he was an atheist. 07:50 And when he was out there, this British scholar 07:53 one of the England's greatest scholars 07:56 pounded the question, 07:58 why does man have an in aid sense of right and wrong? 08:04 This was the question, 08:05 he wrote about this also in his book, 08:07 Mere Christianity, 08:08 that there is in every person 08:10 an innate sense of right and wrong, 08:12 and this said, he said well this has to go back 08:16 to the source of truth and that's how he found God. 08:20 And so you found God, did you find God in Hawaii? 08:24 I did, and at that point I was receptive, 08:27 but I was also very concerned 08:29 because when I was a teenager was the age of the cult. 08:33 And a lot of people including some people 08:35 I was very close to got caught up in cults. 08:38 And the problem of course aside from the fact that, 08:41 they were teaching strange things was that 08:43 once you got in, 08:44 it was very difficult to get out. 08:47 I was very cautious. And you needed to be. 08:51 Getting into something that I couldn't get out off. 08:54 So when after we were studying the Bible 08:58 and reading together and talking about God, 09:01 I experienced the presence of God 09:05 that really took me by surprise 09:07 and I kind of had an argument with myself. 09:10 What's wrong with you Alan, you're believing this stuff? 09:14 You know, what Saint Augustine said, 09:16 the great Roman caustic theologian, 09:17 he said our soul were made for God, 09:21 and I cannot rest until they rest in Him. 09:24 So in the heart of every man there is a big hole, 09:29 and only God can fill that hole. 09:31 And so God was filling up the hole in your life. 09:34 It's true. 09:35 And so today, you are a Jewish brother 09:40 like all the brothers in the Bible, 09:41 because I would Jewish people. 09:43 All the Bible writers except one were Jewish. 09:46 Yes, that was probably Luke. 09:47 Yeah. 09:48 All the gospel writers with exception of Luke, 09:52 greatest Jew of course was beside our Lord 09:55 was the great apostle Paul, the great scholar 09:58 who gave us the Book of Romans. 09:59 It's a Jewish lawyer, man after my own heart. 10:01 Yeah, because they said about the Book of Romans, 10:04 it is the greatest masterpiece of the human mind 10:07 has ever conceived all realized. 10:10 And so the Spirit of God took this Jewish mind, 10:13 the mind of an attorney, a lawyer, 10:16 one of the most brilliant minds in the history of the world 10:19 and produced the Book of Romans. 10:21 It's amazing, isn't it? 10:23 That God takes us frail, faulty, sinful human beings. 10:28 Tyndale, said its good, glad and merry tidings 10:30 that makes a man heart to sing for joy 10:33 and his feet to dance. 10:35 Now, that's the Book of Romans 10:36 that came from a mind of Jewish attorney, 10:40 a mind that was inspired by the Holy Spirit, amen. 10:46 What sort of work are you doing now? 10:48 So, for 20 years I have been privileged 10:52 to service as director of the Church State Council, 10:55 and to devote my career 10:56 to the cause of religious freedom. 10:59 And you live here in Southern California, 11:01 no longer in the great city of New York? 11:04 You know, it's a tough transition. 11:06 We all have to make sacrifices for the Lord. 11:10 But you can't argue about the climate here. 11:12 No, no, no, all the smug. 11:16 The church state council, have I got it right? 11:20 You do, celebrating our 50th anniversary this year. 11:24 The oldest. Congratulations. 11:26 Public interest and legal services 11:30 our organization in the west, devoted to religious freedom. 11:34 So this consumes you, this is you work? 11:36 It is. 11:37 Do you see now, 11:40 I don't want you to rush this answer 11:41 because it is a very important question. 11:45 Do you see today that our liberties 11:48 are being threatened here in the land of freedom 11:51 in the United States of America? 11:53 They are, but, you know, 11:55 we have to put this in perspective first John, 11:58 before we look at the erosion of our freedoms 12:01 76% of the global population live in counties with little 12:06 or no religious freedom. 12:08 And as we are sitting here, 12:10 you know, the Christian communist 12:11 in Iraq is decimated 12:14 being told that they have convert or die. 12:17 So yes, we have our unique challenge here. 12:21 Tell me more about this. 12:23 Tell me about the situation of our brothers and sisters 12:28 and our Jewish brothers and sisters. 12:30 We're not just talking about Christians 12:32 we're talking about Jewish brothers and sisters in Iraq. 12:36 The Jewish community was decimated 12:40 after the American invasion and the turmoil 12:44 that came after the second Gulf war, 12:47 there's virtually no Jews left in Iraq. 12:50 What a tragedy. 12:52 Some of the other nations where Jews-- 12:55 Middle Eastern countries have emptied out 12:57 their Jewish populations 12:59 after the state of Israel was founded. 13:02 So the diaspora that has been Judaism 13:05 for 2,000 years is shrinking, 13:08 and the number of countries 13:09 that are receptive to Jews is shrinking. 13:12 Anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe, 13:16 synagogues being defaced 13:18 in countries like France and violent attacks. 13:21 I had the privilege of going to Iraq 13:24 on the number of occasions. 13:26 And when I went to Iraq before the war, 13:30 I had the privilege of preaching 13:31 in a great Christian church down town. 13:34 That Christian church is no longer there 13:36 and virtually all of the Christians 13:38 have been chased out of that part of the world, 13:41 and 60,000 Christians have been 13:44 forced out of the city of Nineveh, the city of Mosul. 13:48 Right. 13:49 And we are going to talk Alan, you and I after the break, 13:53 we're going to talk about religious liberty 13:55 being threatened here also in the United States. 14:01 And I want you to stay tuned 14:03 because we're going to come back in a few moments, 14:06 we've got here with us in our studio 14:09 Attorney Alan Reinach 14:11 and we're going to be talking about your religious liberties 14:15 and how they're being threatened right here 14:19 in the United States of America. 14:21 Stay with us. 14:25 Did you ever have a sense of destiny? 14:29 Did you ever feel that God has put His hand upon you 14:32 for some tremendous task that you really got a purpose, 14:36 that God is called you for such a time as this? 14:40 I have that sense, that conviction today 14:44 because God is opening up doors for us in Latin America. 14:49 And in Latin America, my good friend, 14:52 there is a revolution going on. 14:54 It's not a revolution in the streets. 14:57 It is a revolution in the hearts of men and women. 15:03 That's why the Carter Report is going to go to El Salvador. 15:08 We are renting an outdoor stadium 15:10 with room for more than 60,000 souls. 15:15 And we're planning a baptism in the-- 15:17 on the Sabbath afternoon of more than 15:20 5,000 born again souls in El Salvador, 15:26 in Latin America, 15:29 where there is a revolution going on, 15:30 where the Holy Spirit is being poured out. 15:33 Don't you want to be a part of this great purpose, 15:39 this great task, this God designed outreach, 15:44 the Latin America. 15:47 Would you please write to me, John Carter, 15:48 Post Office Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, California. 15:52 Tell me, I'm going to support you. 15:54 Write to me in Australia, tell me, 15:56 I'm going to support the preaching of the gospel. 15:59 Write to me today and support the preaching 16:03 of the Word of God around the world 16:06 but right now in Latin America. 16:09 Thank you and God bless you. 16:26 Hi friend, welcome back to the Carte Report. 16:28 This is an exciting program, 16:31 is dealing with religious liberty issues 16:35 in the world today and especially here 16:38 in the United States of America. 16:40 My great guest is, Alan Reinach, an attorney 16:43 who defends the rights of individual's right here 16:47 and who defends religious liberty. 16:50 But before I talk to Alan, I want to tell you, 16:52 upfront about this magazine its called Ebenezer. 16:57 It is the magazine that the Carte Report puts out, 17:00 it's full of great stories, 17:03 some of them may be a little controversial, 17:06 but that doesn't matter because it's all true. 17:09 Here's an article Nothing Too Hard for God from Russia. 17:14 An amazing magazine 17:16 and you can get it by writing to me 17:17 or by emailing me, you could write me. 17:20 We are gonna put the address up on the screen for a moment 17:24 and we want to give you this magazine. 17:26 How much does it cost? 17:28 Well, as I say, just for today it's free. 17:32 Now it's yours my friend, if you write to me 17:35 and remember the work of God 17:37 in your prayers and in your giving. 17:40 Alan, thank you for being our guest today. 17:43 You are a great guest and we appreciate you. 17:47 We're talking about religious liberty 17:48 and we are talking-- we were talking a moment ago, 17:51 before we had this little break 17:53 we were talking about the situation in Iraq, 17:56 we were talking about Mosul, 17:59 which is where the old city of Nineveh is. 18:02 I had been there on a number of occasions. 18:05 Tell me, what you know 18:06 about the situation over there today. 18:09 For believer-- Christian believers 18:11 and for Jewish believers. 18:13 Well, the Christians were essentially put to the choice, 18:18 convert or die or run 18:19 or were completely run out of Mosul, they were robbed. 18:23 Many of them are now refuges in Kurdish controlled areas. 18:28 There is another minority, 18:31 that I'm gonna mispronounce the Yazidis-- 18:33 Pretty good, I would say. 18:34 Have been hold up in and, 18:38 and I mean ethnic cleansing is what we are-- 18:40 Dreadful. 18:41 We really talking about 18:43 and it's, it's kind of return to what 18:46 we read about in the history books. 18:48 We thought this was done away with in the time of crusades. 18:52 You know, 1,000 years ago and it's come right back at us. 18:56 The interesting thing of course is that in the crusades, 18:59 the Christians were doing the killing. 19:01 Well, both sides were killing each other, 19:03 sometimes Christians won, sometimes the Muslims won. 19:06 Yes, that the spirit of intolerance, hatred 19:10 as shown in these unspeakable acts 19:12 and then we hardly heard recently about 19:14 how the American journalist was actually beheaded. 19:19 The president said, 19:21 no, just God can condone this evil behavior. 19:26 You know, John, I'm convinced 19:28 that most of the world worships in a religion 19:33 that regards God as violent and oppressive. 19:36 Yes. 19:38 Now, most of us don't conceive 19:41 of this kind of act of violence of beheading somebody 19:44 as consistent with our religious values, 19:47 but you know, what I call mark 19:49 of the beast religion is well naive in reversal. 19:52 Yes, it is. 19:53 You know, it's my way or the high way. 19:54 Yes, indeed. 19:55 You know, this what we were seeing in Mosul 19:57 is an extreme form of the kind 20:00 of intolerance that's prevalent. 20:02 A religious intolerance. 20:04 Many people and many different religions 20:06 and putting Christian feel, okay, I have got it 20:09 and if you don't have it the way I do, 20:12 you don't deserve to have your rights, 20:14 and certainly God's going to condemn you 20:16 to eternal torment. 20:19 So, you made the very valid point 20:21 during our last segment that religious liberty 20:24 is not something we can take for granted 20:26 because, I think you said 70% of the world-- 20:29 Seventy six percent live in countries 20:32 with little or no religious freedom. 20:34 Which means, if you are of the majority faith, 20:37 you're free to practice your faith 20:38 but if you are not, 20:40 you are not free to practice your faith 20:42 and if, if you want to change your religion 20:44 from that of the majority, you are not free either. 20:46 So, that takes in virtually 20:48 all of the Middle Eastern countries. 20:50 And it takes in that vast country of China. 20:56 And it takes in to a lesser extent Russia 20:59 and it certainly takes in India 21:02 where Christians are persecuted because of their faith. 21:05 There is quite a bit of prosecution in India 21:07 by Hindu nationalists, that's true. 21:10 Let me come back to the question, 21:11 I asked you before. 21:13 Do you believe that here in America, 21:16 in the land of freedom 21:18 that religious liberty is being threatened? 21:21 Do you see it as a threat on the horizon? 21:24 I do, and some years back John, 21:27 I came up with a, an illustration to-- 21:31 you know, they say a picture is worth a thousand words. 21:34 Yes. 21:36 You know, I can talk-- 21:37 and I will talk about the principles 21:40 and the constitutional issues, 21:42 but I want to put it in a picture for our listeners. 21:45 Everybody seen the Road Runner cartoon 21:48 and we have seen Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner. 21:52 And then the Road Runner stops 21:53 and Wile E. Coyote goes sailing out 21:55 over the edge of the cliff. 21:58 And he sailing out there keeps going his little legs, 22:00 you know, going like this and then comes that moment 22:04 when he realizes 22:06 there is nothing underneath him. 22:08 And there is that pregnant pause 22:10 before Wile E. Coyote crashes into the abyss. 22:14 Well, when it comes to our First Amendment rights John, 22:18 the foundations have crumble, 22:19 the legal of the constitutional foundation 22:22 even the social foundation-- 22:24 Let's stop there because, you making 22:26 a tremendous statement. 22:27 Well, but let me finish the matter for, for second. 22:29 Okay. 22:30 We have sailed out over the edge of the abyss, 22:34 we are hanging out in thin air. 22:36 We don't as a-- as a society, 22:38 we don't realize, 22:40 that there is nothing underneath us anymore. 22:42 You think it's a serious as that? 22:44 I do. 22:45 You say that our freedom foundation 22:50 is eroded, it's going. 22:52 So this sort I probably, this is reality. 22:55 Let me give you a little bit of substance of this. 22:59 The basic principle that we base our freedom on us, 23:02 the idea that government is founded 23:05 to protect our fundamental rights. 23:07 That the Bill of Rights, innumerate's not all of them, 23:11 but some of our most important rights 23:13 and that the government 23:14 is supposed to protect these rights 23:16 and especially the courts 23:17 are supposed to protect their rights 23:19 from the trinity of the majority. 23:22 That minority rights are prospective-- 23:24 This is when America is supposed to stand for. 23:26 Correct, so what happens when the Supreme Court says, 23:30 we will no longer apply the First Amendment 23:33 to protect minority rights. 23:35 If you as a religious minority want protection 23:38 for your interests, you have to get it voted 23:41 by Congress or by the state legislature 23:44 and get an exemption for you voted, 23:47 because we no longer apply broad protection 23:50 under the constitution. 23:51 Is this actually happened? 23:53 1990 employment division against Smith, 23:56 the infamous peyote case 23:58 where Justice Antonin Scalia described 24:00 First Amendment protection for our religious freedom, 24:03 as a court luxury, 24:05 that a well ordered society can no longer afford. 24:08 That's how Justice Blackmun characterized it in descend. 24:11 Is this a reputation of Americanism 24:16 and the Bill of Rights? 24:17 I believe it is. 24:19 And you know, my view among legal scholars 24:22 who deal with religious liberty is certainly not remarkable. 24:28 I mean, this is widely understood among scholars. 24:31 Now mind you the amazing transformation last 20 years, 24:35 when this Supreme Court decision came down 24:37 there was a universal outcry against it. 24:40 Even left, right and center, very much against it. 24:44 The Nadine Strassen the director of ACLU called it 24:48 the Dred Scott of religious liberty. 24:51 You know, call this decision like Dred Scott case. 24:54 Then what's the Dred Scott case? 24:56 That was-- kind of remember 24:58 which one of it was now. 24:59 The Dred Scott case was one of-- 25:01 But it's a monumental one. 25:03 That was the early one before the civil war, 25:06 that up held's slavery in the slave states. 25:09 Yeah. So it's a deal breaker. 25:12 Oh, yeah, yeah. 25:14 I believe Dred Scott, 25:15 said that the slaves were capture 25:18 in the free states had to be retuned. 25:19 Treated men as property. 25:23 So you're saying this that this Supreme Court has said 25:27 that the rights of minorities 25:30 are now no longer solid and firm, 25:36 but there upper-- upper grades. 25:39 Is this what you telling me? 25:40 The free exercise of religion, that basic to our constitution 25:45 is subject to legislation, to regulation. 25:49 It is no longer protected as fundamental right. 25:53 Is this still enforced today? 25:56 Yes, absolutely. 25:57 So this is still applicable? 25:59 So in this year 26:01 there was a very controversial case called Hobby-Lobby. 26:04 Hobby-Lobby was decided not for the First Amendment, 26:07 but under a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, 26:11 a statute pass by Congress, 26:13 that because of how it was applied in Hobby-Lobby 26:17 many people are saying 26:18 let's get rid of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 26:21 because they don't like-- they don't like the out come, 26:23 they don't like protect religious freedom. 26:26 See everybody it's often been said, 26:28 we all believe in a religious freedom and the abstract. 26:30 Yes. 26:31 But when it comes down to brass tax, 26:33 when somebody's religious freedom 26:35 is actually an issue 26:36 they are very powerful interests 26:38 that are aligned on the other side. 26:40 We don't necessarily believe in religious freedom 26:43 in particular circumstances. 26:46 But it is not true to say Alan, 26:48 that the vast majority of its in America, 26:50 Australia around the world 26:52 where rather epistatic about these tremendous issues. 26:56 Well, of course we are. 26:58 We had all these disclosures about 27:00 militarized drones about the NSA. 27:03 You know, reading our emails, 27:05 keep gathering our texts and everything else. 27:08 And so what? 27:10 We carry on as the national security status building 27:13 as though it's nothing. 27:15 Alan, could it be, I put it to you, 27:18 could it be we are living in the time 27:20 when Bible prophesies are being fulfilled. 27:24 I hope Jesus is coming soon and put an end to this max. 27:27 I believe, He is coming soon, 27:29 I believe from a study of the Bible prophesies 27:32 that the greatest issue of religious liberty 27:36 is just around the corner. 27:40 Today my special guest has been attorney Alan Reinach. 27:45 We've been talking about the greater issues 27:47 that concerned to you and me. 27:51 Please write to me John Carter, 27:52 Post Office Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, 27:55 California, 91358 27:58 in Australia write to me at Terrigal, email me, 28:03 I want to say to you, 28:04 you been such a wonderful group of people 28:07 who watched our programs over the years. 28:10 You stood with us through thick and thin 28:14 and the greatest days are still to come. 28:16 Thank you for being with me today 28:19 and God bless you. |
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