Participants: Pr. John Carter (Host), Jeff Zweerink PhD
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001414
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00:07 From Arcadia, California, the Carter report presents,
00:10 the Living Word around the world. 00:17 Hello friend, I'm John Carter. 00:20 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:22 We have a great program for you. 00:26 My special guest is Dr. Jeff Zweerink. 00:30 He is an astrophysicist with a great organization 00:34 entitled "Reasons to Believe." 00:38 A group of scientists 00:39 dedicated to scientific research 00:43 that explores the wonders of the universe 00:47 and asks the question, 00:50 how did it all happen? 00:52 Welcome today to the "Carter Report." 00:58 I wish you'd come with me to a land of more 01:02 than a billion souls, 01:05 all in need of hearing the gospel of Christ. 01:08 Did you know this my, friend, 01:11 it is the duty of the Christian 01:14 to take the gospel of Christ to our lost world? 01:18 And the lost world I'm talking about right now is India, 01:22 land of millions and millions of pagan gods 01:27 but more than a billion lost souls. 01:33 India cries out for God. 01:35 We are now back on India TV. 01:39 We're broadcasting on prime time in India. 01:42 We need your prayers, we need your support. 01:45 Is it easy in India? 01:47 No, it's a hardest place we've ever worked. 01:51 Harder than Russia? Harder than Russia. 01:53 Harder than America? Harder than America. 01:56 Harder than Australia? Harder than Australia. 01:59 Because it is a land 02:00 that's given over almost totally to demonism. 02:05 Now I can tell you about those demons, 02:07 I can tell you about the false gods, 02:09 but what I want to tell you today is about the true God, 02:11 and the true God who told us go into all the world 02:15 and preach the gospel to every creature. 02:17 We're back in India. 02:19 Yes, we're back in India. 02:21 By the grace of God, we're back in India to stay. 02:24 We want you to come with us. 02:26 We want you to pray for India. 02:28 We want you to give for India and do it today. 02:31 Please write to me, John Carter, 02:33 Post Office Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, California. 02:37 Write to me at Terrigal in Australia. 02:39 Email me, contact me, and say, yes, 02:42 I'm going to stand with you in the preaching of the gospel 02:45 to the lost souls of India. 02:48 Thank you in Jesus' name and God bless you. 02:58 Well, we're really glad 03:00 that you've joined us today at the Carter Report. 03:03 Today we are talking about 03:05 the wonders of our amazing universe. 03:10 Dr. Jeff, we are glad to have you here today. 03:13 Very good to be here, Pastor Carter. 03:15 You are an astrophysicist. 03:17 That is correct. 03:18 What is an astrophysicist? 03:21 As briefly as I could say 03:22 it's a person who goes out and just ask the question, 03:25 how does the universe work the way it does 03:27 and what can we learn about it. 03:28 So we-- 03:30 Wow. 03:31 Used-- developed different tools 03:32 and try and figure out 03:34 what's going on out in the universe 03:35 and how does it work? 03:36 That must be the most interesting job 03:40 in the whole wide world? 03:41 It really is. 03:42 After mine. 03:43 After you. 03:44 Now just kidding. Just kidding. 03:45 So that's what you do? 03:47 It is. It's a lot of fun. 03:48 Yes and it's tremendously important. 03:50 I would agree, yes. 03:51 Because it's dealing 03:52 with the greatest questions of time and eternity. 03:57 Where did the universe come from? 03:58 Why are we here? 04:01 And eventually where are we going? 04:03 So we are delighted to have you here today 04:06 from "Reasons to Believe." 04:10 Where did you study? 04:11 I did my undergraduate and graduate 04:13 both at Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. 04:16 I was graduated with a physics degree 04:18 and then I went on to get a degree in astrophysics 04:21 from the same school. 04:22 When you studied astrophysics, what did you major in? 04:26 Well, like I said my major was physics and so 04:29 I do physics with the telescope as what it amounts to. 04:32 So a lot of the work I did was working on building 04:35 and calibrating and operating 04:37 a gamma ray telescope down in Arizona 04:39 trying to find sources of gamma rays in the universe. 04:42 Now, Dr. Hugh Ross, 04:45 your associate at "Reasons to Believe" 04:48 he is an astronomer. 04:49 Correct. 04:51 How do you different your work to Dr. Ross? 04:56 Fundamentally there is no real difference. 04:58 We use different wavelengths of light 04:59 to do our observations. 05:01 He use radio wavelengths, I use gamma ray wavelengths 05:04 but both of us are going out, 05:06 looking out in the cosmos and saying, 05:09 what's going on out there and how do we understand? 05:10 Now this is-- this is tremendously important 05:14 because today we live in a world 05:15 where many people have lost the reason for living. 05:20 Suicide, somebody has said 05:22 has become the badge of our despair. 05:25 Because of the meaninglessness in our present day society 05:30 because people have accepted the Darwinian idea, 05:34 that man is the product of time plus matter plus chance. 05:38 But we joined forces with you today in saying 05:41 that life has got meaning 05:43 because there is something far more to the universe 05:46 than meets the eye. 05:49 Is science compatible with the story of the Bible? 05:54 I asked that question because people like 05:58 Dr. Richard Dawkins from Oxford University says, 06:03 you can't believe a word of the Bible, 06:05 you can't believe in God. 06:06 God is the God delusion. 06:08 He has written books on stuff like this. 06:12 You are an educated person, 06:13 so I want to say to the young people 06:15 who are watching the Carter Report today, 06:17 listen up because you're gonna find out some things 06:21 that are going to help you in a tremendous way 06:24 and give you a purpose in living. 06:26 Now, Dr. Jeff, is in your study, 06:31 is the Bible, this book here 06:33 that I treasure and I believe, you treasure too. 06:37 Is it compatible with, 06:39 with what you discover in the world of nature? 06:42 I can say that in 25, 30 years 06:46 that I've been studying physics 06:47 and trying to understand the universe 06:49 and roughly same amount of time 06:51 that I've been studying scripture 06:52 I've never found anything 06:53 that is a genuine contradiction between it. 06:56 So yes, I find that science very much does support the idea 06:59 that God has revealed Himself through the scriptures. 07:02 Now, is it not true 07:03 that science and theology are in conflict today? 07:08 Science and religion are in conflict 07:12 but not nature and the Bible. 07:17 I would say that some scientists 07:19 want to make science conflict with religion or Christianity. 07:22 But science is changing all the time. 07:25 Well, we are getting a deeper and deeper understanding. 07:27 There are certain things 07:29 that we know to be true of the universe 07:31 and as we get deeper and deeper, 07:33 we find these details and certain things do change 07:36 but the big picture is remarkably constant. 07:39 but we would not want to deify science would we-- 07:43 No, I don't agree. 07:44 a few years ago 07:46 Einstein and all the scientists believed in the steady- 07:50 state theory for the universe. 07:51 That's correct, 07:52 that was the prevailing model at the time. 07:54 Yeah. 07:55 And so if we'd live back there we would have said, 07:58 well, here you got science and here you got scripture 08:02 and there is a conflict here, 08:06 but science has moved on from there 08:09 and therefore but however, 08:13 would you believe that God gave us two great books 08:16 and not all Christians like to hear this, 08:19 but God gave us two great books. 08:20 He gave us this divine revelation 08:25 of Himself in Holy Scripture. 08:28 We believe in the great Protestant principle 08:30 in the Carter Report. 08:32 We believe in "Sola Christus, Only Christ." 08:35 "Sola Scriptura, Only Scripture." 08:37 "Sola gratia, Only Grace." "Sola Fide, Only Faith." 08:43 So God gave us this book 08:45 but He also gave us the book of nature. 08:49 Absolutely. 08:50 And nature when rightly read by people like you 08:57 tell us the same story as the Word of God. 09:01 Yes, I agree. 09:02 As far as the origin of the human race is concerned. 09:09 Genesis 1:1, it has been said by many great scientists, 09:15 many scholars and theologian, 09:18 they have the most, the most important sentence 09:22 or the most important few words. 09:25 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 09:29 Right. 09:31 And so Moses in the Book of Genesis tells us 09:35 that there was a time when in the beginning 09:39 God created the cosmos, all the universe, 09:42 the heavens and the earth. 09:45 So the Bible points to a time of a beginning. 09:52 Is there anything in science that supports the idea 09:56 that the cosmos had a beginning? 09:59 I would say very much so. 10:01 You know, what's remarkable as it 10:02 if you go back 100 years ago 10:04 and ask that question, 10:06 then scientists would have said no, 10:08 the universe didn't have a beginning. 10:10 But when you look over major-- 10:12 Only 100 years? Only 100 years. 10:13 Or less? 10:14 You know, so you go and then you look at Einstein's 10:16 development of his theory of general relativity. 10:18 He says that constant laws govern the universe. 10:21 Hubble measures the expansion of the universe. 10:23 Yes. Yes. 10:24 We measure these laws of decay 10:27 where the universe is running down, 10:28 we measure the cosmic microwave background. 10:30 All of those point to-- 10:32 when you do all the calculations 10:33 and ask what is the conclusion? 10:35 It points to the idea that the universe began to exist. 10:39 I understand that there is a picture 10:41 of Hubble having a meeting with Einstein. 10:44 Correct. 10:45 And he is showing Einstein 10:49 the evidence for the expansion of the universe. 10:51 Right. 10:53 Because up to this point of time 10:56 while Hubble had believed in expansion of the universe, 11:01 Einstein found this idea disconcerting 11:04 that the universe should be exploding out. 11:08 But either it's exploding out as Hubble pointed out 11:12 and Einstein later came to believe 11:14 that virtually ever scientist believes today, I understand. 11:17 If it is exploding out 11:20 it's proof that it had a beginning. 11:22 Very much so. 11:23 In fact I would argue the evidenc 11:25 of how strong that beginning is, 11:27 as the scientists have looked for a lot of ways saying, 11:31 did it really have a beginning? 11:32 And they have tried all sorts of ways. 11:35 Maybe the expansion is not uniform, 11:37 maybe this, maybe that. 11:38 And all of those answers come back 11:39 and say no, there really was a beginning. 11:42 It's a remarkable, remarkable scientifically sound statement 11:44 that the universe began to exist. 11:46 Now, I want to say this to my Christian friends, 11:50 who watch the television program 11:51 and who are suspicious 11:54 when they hear the term the "Big Ban." 11:57 They say, oh, that's got to be evolution. 11:59 Well, of course, 12:00 you and I know it's got nothing to do with evolution. 12:03 And in fact, it's one of the greatest evidences 12:05 against evolution. 12:07 Because to have evolution, you got to have infinite time 12:10 virtually but when you have a universal started 12:15 only so many years ago 12:18 it shows that evolution can't work. 12:20 Now this idea is called of course, the "Big Bang." 12:26 Tell me a little bit about the "Big Bang" 12:30 and how this seems in your thinking 12:33 as a cosmologist and a scientist 12:35 how it seems to support scripture? 12:38 Well, there is three or four 12:40 fundamental attributes of a "Big Bang" universe. 12:42 One is that it has a beginning. 12:44 Two, is that it's expanding. 12:48 Three, is that it is cooling down 12:51 and that's just a direct consequence of expansion 12:53 under constant laws of physics. 12:55 And four, is that there is this law of decay. 12:58 Well, you look at our universe 13:00 and scientifically speaking the universe began to exist. 13:03 It's expanding, it's cooling down 13:06 and it's got this constant law of decay. 13:08 So I would say, you know, 13:09 Bible talks about a big bang type universe 13:12 and we measure a big bang type universe. 13:14 If God is the revelation 13:17 or the source of the revelation in the book of nature 13:19 and the book of scripture that's exactly 13:21 we would expect to find 13:22 where they talk about the same thing, 13:24 they are gonna agree. 13:25 So, I want to say to the people who are watching today, 13:29 I want to say, listen to this. 13:32 Science today is giving us 13:35 tremendous evidence to believe in God 13:38 and believe in the Bible. 13:40 You would agree with this, wouldn't you? 13:42 Wholeheartedly agree. 13:43 And this is what your research, 13:45 I want the young people who doctored to understand 13:49 that your research as a scientist 13:52 has led you to believe in the truth 13:55 that the Bible can be trusted. 13:57 It has given me great confidence 13:58 that the Bible is indeed the revealed word of God. 14:01 I could almost say hallelujah. 14:05 Now, we are gonna have a little break, 14:09 my watching audience. 14:11 Then we are going to come back in a minute or so 14:14 and we are going to talk about the entropic principle 14:18 and don't dismiss it because it may save your soul. 14:21 I would like you to get this magazine 14:23 it's called Ebenezer. 14:25 It's the Carter Report magazine that we put out. 14:29 It's got lots of good stuff in it. 14:31 Now it's free but you got to write to us, 14:34 contact us, write to me, 14:36 we would like to give this book to you. 14:38 Stay with us, we'll be back in a moment. 14:44 Did you ever have a sense of destiny? 14:48 Did you ever feel that God has put His hand upon you 14:50 for some tremendous task that you really got a purpose, 14:55 that God is called you for such a time as this? 14:59 I have that sense, that conviction today 15:02 because God is opening up doors for us in Latin America. 15:08 And in Latin America, my good friend, 15:10 there is a revolution going on. 15:13 It's not a revolution in the streets. 15:16 It is a revolution in the hearts of men and women. 15:22 That's why the Carter Report is going to go to El Salvador. 15:27 We are renting an outdoor stadium 15:29 with room for more than 60,000 souls 15:34 and we're planning a baptism in the-- 15:36 on the Sabbath afternoon of more than 15:39 5,000 born again souls 15:43 in El Salvador, in Latin America, 15:47 where there is a revolution going on, 15:49 where the Holy Spirit is being poured out. 15:52 Don't you want to be a part of this great purpose, 15:58 this great task, this God designed outreach, 16:03 the Latin America. 16:05 Would you please write to me, 16:06 John Carter, Post Office Box 1900, 16:09 Thousand Oaks, California. 16:10 Tell me, I'm going to support you. 16:13 Write to me in Australia, tell me, 16:15 I'm going to support the preaching of the gospel. 16:18 Write to me today and support 16:21 the preaching of the Word of God around the world, 16:25 but right now in Latin America. Thank you and God bless you. 16:45 Welcome back, friends. 16:46 We are talking to Dr. Jeff, 16:48 from "Reasons to Believe" an astrophysicist. 16:51 Dr. Jeff, I've heard about the entropic principle. 16:56 You and I know it's tremendously important. 17:00 Tell us, tell me, 17:02 tell the audience about the entropic principle. 17:05 What is it? Why is it so important? 17:08 I think the way I would characterize it is this, 17:10 it's basically it's a recognition 17:12 that when we look at the universe, 17:14 we see that it seems like 17:16 it's designed for life to be here. 17:18 Designed? 17:19 Yes, I would say designed. 17:20 Oh, well, designed. 17:21 Yes. 17:23 So, you know, when we look at, 17:24 how the laws of physics work for example. 17:26 You know, if we are gonna talk about having life, 17:28 you got to have certain elements 17:30 or certain things have to exist. 17:31 You got to have water for one, 17:33 you got to have carbon for one. 17:35 When you, when you then go and scientists go look at, 17:38 how do the laws of physics operate, 17:39 they can ask the question, 17:41 what happens if things were little bit different? 17:43 And it turns out that if you tweak 17:45 the laws of physics just a little bit, 17:47 there is no hydrogen left in the universe. 17:49 While with no hydrogen there is no water. 17:51 You know, H2O, because H is hydrogen. 17:54 So little tweaks and you get 17:55 no hydrogen left in the universe 17:57 or if it's set up so that 18:01 the carbon is all formed basically in stars 18:03 and there is kind of two or three steps 18:05 that if again if the laws of physics were just 18:07 a little bit different, 18:09 no carbon would form in the universe. 18:10 And so if you have no carbon or no hydrogen, 18:13 you certainly not gonna get life in the universe. 18:15 And so when we look at the laws of physics, 18:17 they look like they are designed 18:19 for life to be here and there is examples 18:21 when you look at the types of galaxies 18:23 and what kinds of stars and even the chemistry 18:26 that goes on in the very cells of life themselves. 18:30 A lot of fine tuning? 18:31 Lots of fine tuning. 18:32 Yes, you know, one thing, one place for it shows up 18:36 that I think it's just fascinating 18:37 is that when we look at the genetic code, 18:40 you know, the thing that we just recently decoded 18:43 of how does, how do life-- 18:46 the backbone of life if you will. 18:48 When you look at this, it's actually a computer code 18:51 that it operates a certain way that those letters tell 18:55 things in the cells to do things the certain way. 18:58 What is remarkable is that it lives in era-- 19:00 we live in a environment where that code can get changed 19:04 but you can do research and ask the question 19:06 how good does that code work in spite of errors 19:10 that might crop up. 19:12 And it turns out that the code is literally one in a million. 19:14 I mean, we can look at a million other codes 19:17 and the genetic code in all of life 19:19 that all uses the same genetic code is better 19:22 than a million other codes. 19:23 That looks like it's designed. 19:25 I'm told that in a human being-- 19:29 set me right on this. 19:30 There are three half, 19:32 3.4 billion bits of information. 19:36 That's right, that's how long the genetic code is, yes. 19:39 That makes up the code of life. 19:40 Correct. 19:41 For humans that changes for different animals but-- 19:43 Not for humans? 19:44 Right. 19:46 And Francis Collins called it I think "The Language of God." 19:49 Right. 19:51 This is rather powerful evidence that there is a design 19:56 and that we are not a product of time plus 19:59 matter plus chance. 20:00 Is it not so? 20:01 I think it certainly points to there 20:03 being a mind behind all of this. 20:07 You know, I got a cell phone, most people carry cell phones. 20:09 Yeah. Yeah. 20:10 What I find remarkable about these 20:12 is that really building a phone is not that hard. 20:15 But if you wanted to work when it's cold 20:17 and when it's hot and after it's been dropped 20:19 and when you go up in an airplane and down 20:21 there is a lot of things you have to do 20:23 to make sure that these errors creep in, 20:26 it works the way it supposed to. 20:29 Well, because this phone works 20:31 we look and say, wow, this is a product of a mind. 20:33 Something made this with a purpose. 20:36 Well, when we look at the genetic code, 20:37 I see that same sort of thing. 20:39 All these errors that could pop up 20:41 and the genetic code works 20:43 incredibly well almost all the time. 20:47 You know, not only that, 20:48 you know, I'm a computer programmer 20:50 and I write fairly sophisticated computer code. 20:52 I'm sure you do. 20:53 What I find is that my codes are very simple 20:57 compared to what's going on in the genetic code. 20:58 Because not only does the code work reliably, 21:01 it has multiple layers of code. 21:03 It's kind of like every program I wrote take every tenth letter 21:06 and that's a whole program in and of itself. 21:08 And so there is these all 21:10 multiple layers of code built in. 21:11 I mean, not that it-- 21:14 I mean, you just look at things like that 21:15 and says that looks like there is a mind behind this. 21:18 I think that's just fascinating 21:20 that it looks like it's the product of a mind. 21:23 I heard a debate or saw a debate 21:25 between Dr. Richard Dawkins and Dr. John Lennox. 21:33 Dr. Lennox I thought made a telling point when he said, 21:37 "People today seem to be talking about 21:39 nothing all the time." 21:40 Because if you believe Dr. Dawkins 21:43 and others who are atheist, 21:45 then the universe started with nothing. 21:48 Either you have somebody, an intelligent being 21:52 that designed this marvelous universe 21:54 or else you go back 21:55 and you say well, it started by nothing. 21:59 Now, help me here, 22:03 I understand that in a millisecond 22:06 after the point of creation 22:08 that scientist called the "Big Bang." 22:09 Right. 22:11 There were I think four forces that came into being. 22:14 Yes. 22:15 Whether it's the gravity, the electromagnetic force 22:18 and then two forces 22:19 that operate inside atomic nuclear. 22:21 Is that the strong nuclear force? 22:23 And the weak nuclear force. 22:24 And the weak nuclear force? 22:25 Correct. 22:26 Now they were somewhat in a delicate balance, 22:28 weren't they? 22:29 Very much so, yes. 22:31 You know, if gravity were a bit stronger 22:34 then the universe would have collapsed 22:36 before it grew too large. 22:37 When you say a bit stronger it's a tiny amount, isn't it? 22:40 Just a very tiny amount. 22:41 Especially very early in the universe, 22:43 it had to be an exclusively fine tuned them out 22:45 or else the universe would have just collapsed back on itself. 22:48 And so you got these incredible figures. 22:53 I'm told they go into the trillions, you know, 22:57 one quadrillionth of a 22:58 quadrillionth of a quadrillionth-- 23:00 I said this to your colleague Dr. Ross and I said, 23:04 thinking I was being pretty knowledgably. 23:05 I said, quadrillionth of a quadrillionth 23:07 and he said, no, there is another quadrillionth. 23:09 There is another quadrillionth, right. 23:10 Of one percent. 23:11 Yes. 23:13 And so it seems to me as it does to Lennox 23:18 and to your colleagues and to others 23:20 who thought these issues through 23:23 that these things could not have happened by blind chance. 23:26 We must be more than time plus matter plus chance. 23:31 Now I understand that you have done a lot of study 23:37 with the multiverse theory? 23:39 Correct. 23:40 What is the multiverse theory? 23:42 Well, basically it's the idea that our universe 23:45 is just one amongst the whole bunch of them out there. 23:49 You know, and we've talked here about how it looks like, 23:51 you know, the universe very much 23:52 appears to have the beginning, 23:54 that's what the scientific evidence 23:56 seems to indicate at this point. 23:58 And the universe very much looks like 24:00 it's designed for us to be here. 24:02 And, you know, one of the things 24:04 that the multiverse does, 24:05 it says well, maybe there's a bunch of universes out there, 24:07 so all of this design isn't real designed at all. 24:11 Maybe it's just-- 24:13 we just happen to get very lucky 24:15 and the beginning is really nothing special. 24:17 It's kind of like Sunday it's the beginning of the week, 24:19 but there is gonna be another beginning next week. 24:21 And so my research into the multiverse 24:23 was asking the question, if the multiverse exists 24:26 does it mean there is no beginning 24:28 and does it mean there is no design? 24:29 I can give you the bottom line answer is that, 24:31 even in the multiverse it still looks like there is a beginning 24:34 and it still looks like it's designed. 24:36 Well, if you have one universe like ours 24:39 or if you have a trillion universes 24:42 you still come back to the basic question, 24:45 where did it come from? 24:46 I think that's a very fundamental question, yes. 24:48 Is it not true that the pagans used to have 24:51 their foolish pagan gods 24:53 and I would tell the followers 24:57 the universe everything came from these gods, 25:00 you know, inanimate things but every-- 25:02 this what the Egyptians said, 25:04 everything came from these gods. 25:06 Now today we have people telling us 25:09 the universe and everything it didn't come from the gods 25:12 but it came from nothing. 25:14 Well, some astro-- or some scientists. 25:15 Some scientists? Yes. 25:16 Some scientists. 25:17 Yes, those who don't believe in the creator God. 25:21 Well, it's because they recognize a fundamental point 25:24 is that if the universe began to exist 25:26 something must have caused that beginning. 25:29 Some of them do not like 25:31 the idea that it might have been a personal God 25:33 so they are trying to say maybe something existed forever 25:36 that is impersonal, it's not God 25:38 but something else has existed forever, 25:39 because that's where you-- 25:40 that's where you're forced to that conclusion. 25:42 I was reading yesterday about the idea of Charles Darwin 25:48 and when he started this idea of evolution 25:50 about 150 years ago, 25:52 my sources said this, very few scientists believed 25:56 at what he was saying was scientific 25:58 but the idea caught on was because 26:01 it was such a wonderful idea. 26:04 It was a wonderful idea 26:05 because it made us autonomous from the Creator. 26:09 And man was there for his own little master 26:12 and he could do his own thing. 26:14 Is it not possible today that many people choose 26:18 not to believe the evidence 26:21 because it is not convenient for them to believe this? 26:24 I certainly think that does go on. 26:26 I mean, you know, again if you look at what scripture says, 26:30 in Romans it says, what is evident about God is clear 26:34 but men choose to suppress it. 26:36 And so I think there are very much some scientists 26:38 who do not want there to be a God. 26:40 In fact, some are so candid as to say that. 26:43 And so they are forced to only adopt models 26:46 that don't have any sort of God in them. 26:48 You're a scientist, 26:50 what is your personal faith in Christ all about? 26:53 My personal faith in Christ is that, 26:57 I truly believe that God is the Creator. 27:00 That He has set up this world in a certain way 27:03 that humanity chose to reject God 27:06 and the only way to restore that relationship 27:09 is through Christ death on the cross. 27:11 The reason why I believe that is 27:12 because I'm convinced that is the truth 27:15 and whatever else I'm doing, I want to have faith, 27:18 I want to choose to believe what is true 27:21 and as I studied the science and I studied scripture, 27:23 I'm convinced that that is the truth. 27:25 And Dr. Jeff, we say amen 27:28 and we thank God for you and for others like you. 27:32 We want to thank you for joining us today 27:35 here at the Carter Report. 27:37 We pray that God is going to bless you 27:38 and we would like to put this into your hands 27:42 our most recent magazine called Ebenezer. 27:45 Here are some of the articles, Can Bad Be Good, 27:48 Nothing Too Hard for God, Science of the Times, 27:52 Why They Buried the Bishop on the Sidewalk. 27:55 There is an article on science and the Bible. 27:58 Please write for it today. 28:01 I want to thank you doctor, 28:02 for the privilege of talking to you today. 28:05 Thank you, for coming to the Carter Report. 28:07 You not only blessed my soul 28:09 but the souls of the many, many people. 28:11 Thank you, for joining us today. 28:13 Till next time goodbye and God bless you. |
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