Carter Report, The

The Little Pastor, Part 2

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00:08 "The Carter Report" presents,
00:10 The Living Word around the world.
00:17 Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
00:19 Welcome today to the Carter Report.
00:21 Today we're talking about, the Little Pastor.
00:24 The story of the young man
00:26 who was in the midst of one of the greatest bloodbaths
00:30 in the history of that nation.
00:32 Did you know, 75,000 people were murdered in El Salvador
00:39 and this man, the Little Pastor
00:41 was right in the very midst of it all?
00:44 Welcome today, to the Carter Report.
00:49 Hi, I'm John Carter.
00:52 I guess the toughest place that I've ever been to
00:55 as far as the preaching of the gospel is concerned,
00:58 is India, home to more than a billion souls.
01:04 And I guess, hundreds of millions of different gods.
01:08 It almost overwhelms the senses.
01:12 What can we do?
01:13 Well, we've been to India, we've run outdoor meetings,
01:16 we've had thousands and thousands of people,
01:19 Hindus, Muslims at our meetings coming forward in altar calls.
01:24 But we're going to try to do something else as well.
01:27 We're going to start small.
01:29 We are starting with the program called,
01:32 "Touching the untouchables."
01:35 And we're going to start with little untouchable goals.
01:38 We're doing this now.
01:40 We're getting them food because they are so hungry,
01:43 it's hard to come to Jesus when you are hungry
01:46 and so we're getting them food
01:49 and we'll be sending them to school.
01:51 We are trying to feed their souls
01:54 and fill their bellies in India,
01:58 home to more than a billion souls
02:02 and hundreds of millions of gods controlled by evil spirits.
02:07 Please help us in this work. Please help us.
02:10 Write to me, John Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
02:14 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358
02:17 or write to me at Terrigal, in Australia.
02:20 We have an Australian office as we have an Indian office,
02:25 where somebody there working full-time
02:27 trying to touch the untouchables
02:31 with the love of Jesus.
02:33 Please write to me today.
02:36 And Jesus said, "I've come to seek and to save
02:41 that which was lost."
02:50 Our guest today comes from El Salvador,
02:53 a beautiful land
02:54 with a terrible history of bloodshed.
02:57 His name is Pastor Pacheco,
03:01 the leader of the Adventist church
03:03 in that part of the world.
03:06 Our translator is Pastor Carlos Acosta,
03:11 the senior pastor
03:12 of the Spanish American Adventist Church
03:15 in Southern California.
03:18 Welcome today, Gentlemen, to the program.
03:20 Thank you very much.
03:21 Welcome, Pastor, Pastor Pacheco.
03:24 Gracias. Gracias.
03:26 We're so glad that you were able to come
03:28 to this part of the world from El Salvador
03:31 and be part of our program.
03:36 In one of our programs, the last program,
03:38 you told us that they called you the Little Pastor.
03:43 Because as a boy of 10 years of age...
03:48 you were out preaching the gospel...
03:51 You were caught in a war between two awful factions...
03:58 You saw some of your friends gunned down...
04:02 They were going to put you on a helicopter...
04:05 And take you to Nicaragua...
04:08 And then they were going to take you to Cuba...
04:11 And as a little boy of 14...
04:14 they were going to train you to be, as a freedom fighter...
04:19 And as they were putting you on the helicopter...
04:24 the government soldiers came...
04:27 and they fought the other militia...
04:30 and you saw some of your friends just fall
04:33 in this awful bloodbath...
04:37 But you believed that God had a purpose for your life.
04:43 How did you become a Pastor...
04:46 And the leader of a world wide church,
04:48 Pastor Pacheco?
05:00 At that moment when that bloodbath began,
05:03 I felt God's presence...
05:06 Nothing happened to me
05:07 and my other Adventist friends...
05:12 Some of my friends that I had from church,
05:15 they are same age...
05:18 They decided to come here to the United States...
05:22 I couldn't come...
05:25 I had no money to come...
05:29 So I had to face the situation
05:32 there in El Salvador...
05:35 But I also knew that God had a purpose for my life
05:37 there in El Salvador...
05:42 In my mind, I always wanted to be a pastor...
05:46 And I was always praying for that to the Lord.
05:48 And so some of your friends
05:50 fled to the United States of America...
05:53 But you couldn't do this...
05:56 And you were stuck in El Salvador...
06:00 How did you feel about this in your heart?
06:10 I was not saddened by the fact
06:11 that I could not travel or come to this country...
06:17 I said if the Lord has a plan,
06:19 he calls me to be a pastor...
06:21 I have to do it here in El Salvador...
06:25 I have to help my people, my own people, my church...
06:29 I'll serve the Lord here in El Salvador.
06:31 Now, and you had a calling inside
06:33 that God wanted you to be a minister...
06:39 How did you become a pastor? I mean, you were a pastor...
06:43 How did you become a grown up Pastor?
06:53 My mom and my dad...
06:57 they never thought...
07:00 that I was going to become a pastor.
07:01 They never thought you're going to be a pastor?
07:04 But weren't your parents God-fearing really good people?
07:12 The pastor was going to be my other brother...
07:16 Not me. How many brothers and sisters?
07:24 They were ten in total.
07:26 That's a great family.
07:28 Yeah, that's a little kingdom.
07:35 But for that time...
07:38 six of my brothers had already died.
07:40 Oh.
07:46 It was not through the war
07:47 because they didn't get killed like that or...
07:50 It was just a lot of natural death...
07:53 Six, they were my older brothers.
07:55 Six out of ten.
07:59 The last brother...
08:04 That all of us thought that
08:06 who was going to be the pastor...
08:09 his name was David...
08:13 He was the best brother...
08:17 He was preaching there more than I was preaching...
08:22 He was eight years old.
08:24 Eight years old?
08:25 You started when you were ten...
08:30 What kept you from getting on with it?
08:33 He was eight when he was preaching.
08:39 I was more shy.
08:41 And his name was David?
08:44 Now where is David today?
08:49 At eight years old, David...
08:52 he got ill...
08:56 He had cancer in the blood...
08:59 Leukemia. Leukemia.
09:01 What a story this is.
09:06 So with him we would talk, we would have conversations...
09:10 I was one year older than he was...
09:17 He was not afraid of preaching the gospel.
09:20 He would be on the buses preaching.
09:22 And so he had a fire in his soul.
09:26 And he knew the Bible?
09:31 He could not read.
09:33 He could not read?
09:37 He would memorize the Bible text...
09:41 and that is the way that he would preach.
09:46 And that impressed me so much.
09:51 That I said I want to be like David,
09:53 like my little brother.
09:54 I want to say something to the audience.
09:56 I want to say something to the people.
09:58 We hear a lot today about the death of Christianity.
10:00 I want to tell you something.
10:02 You can't kill Christianity
10:03 because it is built upon a living Christ.
10:07 So here in El Salvador, you got terrible bloodshed,
10:10 you got persecution, you got natural disasters,
10:13 earthquakes, hurricanes and famines and even volcanoes.
10:19 And then you've got a tremendous war going on
10:23 but you still got people who are preaching the word.
10:25 Tell him what I said.
10:34 So where is David now?
10:42 When I was 10 years old...
10:46 he was nine years old, I was a year older...
10:53 I remember that there was nothing more
10:54 they could do at the hospital for him.
10:58 My parents, they had withdrew him from the hospital.
11:02 And he said something very, very important.
11:06 He told my mom and my dad...
11:09 I do not want to die in the hospital...
11:13 God has told me that I'm going to die...
11:18 but I want to die at home.
11:21 So they took him out of the hospital.
11:25 We all gathered around him in the bed.
11:31 And then he had said to everyone,
11:32 all of us to leave the room...
11:36 and he told me to stay, only me.
11:41 That's when he then started to tell me, "Brother...
11:46 you are going to be the pastor, not me...
11:47 Glory be to God.
11:49 I'm going to die...
11:52 And I began to cry...
11:57 I began to say, you can't die.
11:59 He loves you so much.
12:03 You're an angel here. You need to be the pastor...
12:08 Not me, I can't do that.
12:14 So he said, you are going to be the pastor.
12:18 Then my parents were called back in...
12:19 my little brothers and sisters.
12:24 As we were there gathered with him...
12:27 he began to sing a hymn...
12:31 and he began to sing with the lyrics that says,
12:34 Only the power of God can change your life.
12:39 The evidence I give to you, He has changed me.
12:44 Don't you see that I'm happy...
12:46 following the Lord Jesus?
12:49 He closed his eyes and he died.
12:55 He died at nine years old
12:57 and I was ten years old at the time.
13:00 At that time, that moment,...
13:04 God told me in my mind...
13:09 what your brother could not preach,...
13:12 you are going to do it...
13:14 and you are going to preach...
13:18 And my mother says that day that my brother died...
13:22 she began to fast...
13:24 every Sabbath...
13:28 Because she was in a lot of pain
13:31 that this was her sixth son that now had died.
13:37 And I began to feel that in my soul.
13:50 I pray that the Lord would give me the strength
13:52 to become that pastor.
13:53 You're going to see him again.
13:56 You're going to see him when Jesus comes.
13:58 And he's going to be your brother again...
14:01 And he'll never get cancer...
14:03 And he'll never die...
14:05 Because we believe that the Lord is coming.
14:07 Amen.
14:08 And we'll be back after this message.
14:11 Stay with us.
14:15 God has His time and His place for everything.
14:20 And the time and the place now is Latin America,
14:25 including Cuba.
14:27 Time Magazine talks about the Second Protestant Reformation
14:32 and describes how hundreds of thousands,
14:35 even millions of Latinos
14:38 are coming to the gospel of Christ.
14:42 I'm not an armchair theologian.
14:45 I'm speaking according to experience.
14:47 I've seen it with my own eyes.
14:51 Recently we went down to El Salvador.
14:55 There I spoke in the largest football stadium
14:59 in Central America with the biggest crowd
15:02 that that football stadium had ever, ever seen.
15:05 They came not to see a football match,
15:08 but to hear about the blood of Christ.
15:12 Millions are coming to a knowledge of God
15:15 in Latin America.
15:18 Doors are opening in Cuba.
15:21 Who knows, we may be going to Cuba soon.
15:25 As the doors open by the grace of God,
15:28 we are going to step through those doors.
15:31 And we want you to step through those doors with us
15:35 and be part of our team for such a time as this.
15:40 Please write to me friend.
15:41 Don't put it off.
15:43 Write to me, John Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
15:47 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358.
15:51 In Australia, write to me at Terrigal,
15:55 New South Wales.
15:56 Be a part of the Second Reformation.
16:00 Join us and see the miracles of God.
16:05 Amen.
16:15 Welcome back.
16:17 Pastor Pacheco,
16:20 you were in charge of a huge evangelistic campaign
16:24 that we ran in San Salvador.
16:30 The capital of El Salvador.
16:31 Gracias.
16:33 I was amazed by the organization...
16:37 Because I've never seen anything
16:38 as good in Australia or America...
16:43 We hired the largest football stadium
16:45 in Central America...
16:49 But this was preceded
16:51 by a number of evangelistic campaigns
16:53 right around the nation.
16:58 Now tell me about those campaigns?
17:07 I would like to extend my appreciation
17:09 to the Carter Report...
17:12 for the blessing that you gave us...
17:16 to have hold those meetings there at the stadium.
17:19 Thank you.
17:22 When we spoke with you...
17:25 we began to pray for this...
17:30 All the brotherhood, they began to pray for this...
17:35 So that God would manifest Himself powerfully...
17:40 I had never thought in my life...
17:44 since I was there and since I grew up and remember...
17:51 we had never had had an event just like that...
17:55 We were afraid...
18:00 The brotherhood was very scared and worried...
18:05 We thought it was just going to be a small campaign...
18:15 And all, from the presidents of the field
18:18 to the brothers of the church, we began to pray...
18:25 We began a meetings many months before...
18:30 so that we could create specific plans...
18:33 There was a special commission, committee made...
18:38 and many of them were volunteered brothers...
18:41 elders.
18:43 And also, this was the best organization
18:45 I'd seen anywhere in the world.
18:50 How many pre-campaign meetings were there?
18:53 Evangelistic meetings.
18:59 We made 96 evangelism meetings.
19:02 I want you to hear this. 96 evangelistic meetings.
19:23 96 evangelists from Central America came...
19:26 Amazing.
19:27 To come and to unite themselves
19:29 with the 96 pastors that we have there in El Salvador...
19:37 And a week before
19:39 the big evangelistic meeting at the stadium...
19:43 the brothers and the pastors...
19:46 they allowed, they gave their homes,...
19:49 they opened the doors to give their food,...
19:53 and they gave their cars...
19:58 and we began to preach the word of God...
20:03 I felt that the moment of Pentecost has arisen...
20:07 All the churches were united.
20:09 All the churches were united...
20:11 about a 180 pastors...
20:13 and to God, you were the leader...
20:16 I congratulate you...
20:18 Because I could see God working through you...
20:21 The organization was the best
20:23 I've seen anywhere in the world...
20:25 How many buses did you hire?
20:33 That was another amazing thing that happened...
20:40 We thought there was going to be
20:42 200 or 250 buses that would arrive.
20:43 That's a lot of buses. 200 buses.
20:49 But we had 750 buses arrived.
20:52 Just see this, 750 buses.
21:00 And that was not even counting all the buses,
21:03 the pickup trucks and I'm sorry the mini buses
21:06 that people just came in.
21:07 That wasn't the mini buses or the cars?
21:12 But 700 how many?
21:14 750, sir.
21:15 50 buses.
21:17 Now when the buses came,
21:19 now I've never seen so many buses...
21:26 and you were the organizer of this
21:29 with the rest of the presidents...
21:33 and the people came from all across El Salvador...
21:38 Tens of thousands...
21:41 and the meeting started on time...
21:45 And we had great music...
21:48 And the meeting has finished on time...
21:52 And we saw in one day, around 5000 souls baptized...
21:59 Now people tell me in this part of the world...
22:03 and in Australia...
22:05 and in Europe...
22:06 They said it can't be done...
22:08 And the reason they say that
22:11 is because they don't have faith...
22:14 And they don't have obedience...
22:16 And it seems to me
22:18 they don't really believe the words of the Bible...
22:22 Now tell me about the people coming to the meetings.
22:36 I was very impressed, specifically about the buses
22:39 that you mentioned...
22:41 Even the policemen...
22:45 How are you going to place the buses?
22:47 I know.
22:49 But the Lord opened powerfully these situations...
22:55 They were complete churches...
23:01 That they would travel a whole day...
23:05 to come to the evangelistic meeting...
23:10 They would leave at 3 A.M...
23:15 And they would arrive at 4.P.M...
23:21 To get the good seats...
23:25 They would come with their little flags.
23:26 Yes.
23:29 With their small group leader...
23:31 with the church elders...
23:34 Very, very well organized...
23:38 And with the list of the people,
23:40 friends that they were bringing...
23:44 The best organization ever...
23:47 Everybody knew where he was to sit...
23:50 And we had more than 50,000 people in the stadium.
23:56 Yes, sir. Glory be to God.
24:03 That stadium had never been filled before.
24:06 Tell me about the baptisms
24:09 before you talk about the baptisms,
24:12 I want to say to the audience...
24:14 That Carter Reporter was privileged to pay for the,
24:19 all these preliminary meetings, the hire of the stadium
24:23 but our partners were the people in El Salvador...
24:30 These people put up hundreds of thousands...
24:34 And our donors sent us hundreds of thousands...
24:37 And we saw another Pentecost...
24:39 So, thank you...
24:41 You thanked me for coming...
24:45 It was my privilege...
24:46 It was my honor...
24:48 I got the blessing...
24:50 Now tell us about the baptisms.
24:57 There was a great celebration...
25:02 Now I'm still visiting churches...
25:06 And recently I had an evangelistic meeting...
25:11 Two and a half hours from the capital...
25:15 And many brothers approached me...
25:18 They said, "Pastor...
25:20 I got baptized at the stadium,..
25:23 I am a member now of the church."
25:32 You cannot forget that wonderful feeling
25:35 and that moment that we've experienced at the stadium.
25:38 Pastor Pacheco, not all church leaders do evangelism...
25:43 They talk about evangelism...
25:45 They even believe in evangelism...
25:47 But they are more comfortable behind the desk...
25:51 Do you do evangelism?
26:00 In the Salvadorian Union,
26:02 I personally have three evangelistic meetings.
26:05 Three meetings?
26:06 Three evangelistic campaigns...
26:09 Big evangelistic meetings... Big campaigns.
26:17 Two weeks ago I finished my another evangelistic meeting.
26:19 I'm so proud of you.
26:27 Evangelism is a passage,
26:29 it's a way of living, it's Jesus Christ.
26:32 It's a lifeblood of the church...
26:36 When the church does it, God blesses the church...
26:39 And when the church doesn't do it...
26:41 The church dies out...
26:44 And so we are privileged to know you...
26:49 Know you both...
26:51 Because we believe in the Bible,...
26:53 We believe in Christ...
26:55 We believe in the atoning sacrifice...
26:57 We believe in the coming of the Lord...
27:00 And that's why we do evangelism.
27:02 Now what are your plans for the future?
27:10 This year, Pastor...
27:13 we are with the pastors of my union...
27:17 we want to plant in one year...
27:20 a 100 churches.
27:21 Hundred churches?
27:22 And you will.
27:26 In November, Lord willing...
27:28 We're praying...
27:30 We're asking the Lord...
27:35 And with the Ministry of the Carter Report...
27:40 Our brothers are now more on fire...
27:44 Because now, there's a lot of seeds...
27:47 that were planted and now people are coming for it...
27:51 And now we are taking them to the future.
27:52 Let me give you a secret...
27:54 We left our hearts down there...
27:57 We'd like to go back one day...
27:58 Amen.
28:00 And thank you, for being leaders in God's work...
28:03 And thank you, for your passion for Christ...
28:06 And thank you, for being our guests today.
28:09 So my friend, what do you think about that?
28:11 Write to me, John Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
28:15 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358.
28:17 Write to me in Australia.
28:19 Remember evangelism is the lifeblood of the church.
28:24 Support evangelism.
28:26 Help us to preach Christ to the world.
28:29 Thank you and God bless you.


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