Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001513A
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00:09 The Carter Report Presents
00:10 The Living Word around the World. 00:17 Hello, friend, I'm John Carter. 00:19 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:22 Our topic today is a bit of a bombshell. 00:26 We're going to talk about 00:27 the biggest hoax in the Last 150 Years. 00:33 Dr. Fazale Rana is vice president 00:36 of Reasons To Believe in Southern California. 00:40 He has a PhD in chemistry, with an emphasis 00:42 in Biochemistry from Ohio University. 00:46 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:52 God has His time and His place for everything. 00:57 And the time and the place now 01:00 is Latin America, including Cuba. 01:04 Time Magazine talks about 01:06 the second Protestant Reformation 01:09 and describes how hundreds of thousands 01:13 even millions of Latinos 01:16 are coming to the gospel of Christ. 01:20 I'm not an armchair theologian, 01:22 I'm speaking according to experience. 01:25 I've seen it with my own eyes. 01:28 Recently we went down to El Salvador. 01:32 There I spoke in the largest football stadium 01:36 in Central America with the biggest crowd 01:39 that, that football stadium had ever, ever seen. 01:43 They came not to see a football match, 01:46 but hear about the blood of Christ. 01:49 Millions are coming 01:51 to a knowledge of God in Latin America. 01:55 Doors are opening in Cuba. 01:58 Who knows we may be going to Cuba soon as the doors open. 02:03 By the grace of God we're going to step through those doors. 02:09 And we want you to step through those doors with us 02:13 and be part of our team for such a time as this. 02:17 Please write to me, friend, don't put it off. 02:20 Write to be John Carter, Post Office Box 1900, 02:25 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358. 02:28 In Australia write to me at Terrigal, New South Wales. 02:34 Be part of the Second Reformation. 02:37 Join us to see the miracles of God. 02:42 Amen. 02:53 Welcome to the Carter Report. 02:55 Dr. Rana and Dr. Hugh Ross, 02:58 co author the books "The Origin Of Life" 03:02 and "Who Was Adam." 03:05 And those books made an impression upon 03:09 a Noble Peace winning chemist, Dr. Richard Smalley. 03:14 After reading those two books he said, 03:17 "Evolution has been dealt its deathblow. 03:21 Well, after reading 'Origins Of Life' 03:24 with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear," 03:29 said the Noble prize winning chemist, 03:32 "It is clear, evolution could not have occurred." 03:37 Dr. Fuzz, welcome to our program today. 03:40 Pastor Carter, thank you for having me. 03:41 It's a pleasure to be here. 03:42 It's always a pleasure to have you 03:44 because we share so many, so many things 03:49 because you and I are both interesting in a-- 03:53 with a passion, in the origin of life. 03:56 Where did life come from? May I ask you this question? 04:00 I personally believe in micro evolution. 04:05 I think you do too. Yes. 04:07 What's the difference between 04:09 microevolution and macroevolution 04:14 as taught by Charles Darwin? 04:17 Well, I like to think of microevolution 04:19 is being established fact 04:21 and macro evolution is being sheer speculation. 04:24 Micro evolution just simply refers 04:26 to the ability of organisms to adapt to their environment, 04:30 so that the example that people would be familiar with would be 04:33 the peppered moth changing its wings, 04:35 wing colors in the United Kingdom 04:38 in response to industrial population and the environment, 04:41 going from the white winged to dark winged varieties. 04:44 It's still a moth, it just simply has varied slightly 04:49 in response to the environment. 04:51 That's a well established fact 04:52 and in fact you could even see that 04:54 as part of the Creator's design 04:56 where organisms are able to adapt their environment. 04:59 Macroevolution would be, 05:01 where one kind changes into another kind. 05:04 For example, a wolf like creature into a whale 05:07 or a dinosaur into a bird. 05:10 And to me that idea is really sheer speculation 05:13 that isn't very well established or scientific fact. 05:17 People hold on to those ideas of macroevolution 05:20 largely for philosophical reasons. 05:22 In my view, not for on the basis of evidence. 05:25 Yes. 05:26 Now on occasions you will read the newspaper 05:29 or see something on television and they will say, 05:31 evolution has been firmly established. 05:34 Here is another case of evolution, 05:36 you can see it in the mutations that have occurred 05:40 in a virus or some other tiny little creature. 05:45 They say now, here is absolute proof of evolution. 05:50 But you would say, this is what sort of evolution? 05:53 That would be an example of microevolution. 05:55 And again it's clearly established 05:58 as a scientific fact, 05:59 but just because species can vary 06:02 in response to changes in the environment, 06:05 it doesn't mean that the mechanisms for that process 06:08 can be translated to explain, how again, 06:12 large scale biological changes can happen 06:15 and that in my mind is not been firmly established. 06:18 Now as a scientist, you do not believe 06:22 in the theory of Charles Darwin. 06:25 No, I don't. 06:26 I'm highly sceptical, at least of aspects 06:28 of Darwin's theory of evolution. 06:31 Part of Darwin's theory is this idea 06:32 of microevolution which I freely accept. 06:35 Everybody believes this, everybody. 06:36 Exactly. Yes. 06:37 But other aspects of Darwin's theory, 06:39 the idea that again those mechanisms that can explain 06:42 how a peppered moth would change its wings, 06:44 can explain how a dinosaur would evolve into a bird, 06:48 that is something I don't think it's been established. 06:50 Today 95% of the young people from Christian homes 06:55 in the United States of America. 06:57 From strong evangelical homes, 07:00 when they go to secular university 07:02 such as you've gone to, where you got your PhD from. 07:07 When they go to the secular universities, 07:09 they are assaulted by atheistic professors 07:13 on a mission to destroy faith. 07:15 Most scientists 07:17 in the universities are atheists. 07:21 I'm told that the number of atheists in universities, 07:25 in the scientific disciples, it's around 98%. 07:30 So most of them, 07:32 this is not true outside the universities, 07:34 but inside the universities, 07:36 the vast majority of the professors, 07:38 do not believe in the Bible and they do not believe in God. 07:43 Tell me, how can you, a respected scientist 07:48 believe in God and believe in the Bible 07:51 and believe in Genesis 1:1, Chapter 1, verse 1 that says, 07:56 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 07:59 Well, let's go to Genesis 1:1. 08:01 In the beginning God creates the heavens and the earth. 08:03 Well, science has discovered 08:05 that the universe has a beginning. 08:07 And if the universe has a beginning, 08:09 there must be a beginner, a cause 08:11 that brought the universe into existence. 08:13 So on that basis alone, 08:14 I think it's scientifically credible to think that 08:17 there is a Creator like this described in scripture. 08:22 Is it not true that until relatively recent times 08:26 from the around the time of Hubble and Einstein, 08:30 scientists did not believe the universe had a beginning. 08:33 That's right. 08:34 Yeah, that-- the prevailing view was that 08:36 the universe was eternal, that it always existed... 08:39 The study states theory. Exactly. 08:40 And the fact that we know that time has a beginning 08:43 and that the universe has a beginning. 08:45 It's remarkable because scripture not only tells us 08:48 the universe has a beginning, 08:49 but it also makes mention of the fact 08:51 that time had a beginning and that's a radical concept. 08:55 We're comfortable with it today, 08:57 but when that idea was proposed, 08:59 by Steven Hawking by the way, it was a radical idea 09:02 but it's something that was already found in scripture, 09:05 that scripture anticipated. 09:07 So to me, to believe in God just simply from the fact 09:11 that we've discovered the universe has a beginning, 09:13 is scientifically credible. 09:15 Sometimes when I talk to people about the Big Bang 09:17 on my television programs, they get terribly frightened. 09:21 They say, if you believe in the Big Bang, 09:22 you believe in the theory of evolution. 09:25 There's no relationship, is there? 09:28 No relationship at all and in fact many scientists 09:31 who are atheists are very troubled by the Big Bang 09:35 because the philosophical, and theologically implications 09:37 are readily evident to them. 09:39 Again if there's a beginning to the universe that means, 09:42 something outside the universe cause the universe. 09:44 Yes. 09:45 And that's completely consistent 09:47 with what we think of God 09:48 in terms of His role as creating the universe. 09:50 And is it not true because 09:52 you're the specialist here and I'm not. 09:54 Evolutionists were comfortable with new beginning 09:57 because they had almost infinite time. 10:01 But now we know that the universe took place, 10:05 came into being in relatively, we say relatively, recent times 10:11 and therefore the window of opportunity 10:15 for evolution to occur has been greatly narrowed. 10:18 Oh, yes, exactly. 10:20 And in fact, when we look at the fossil record 10:23 We see that as soon as the earth can support life, 10:25 life appears virtually, instantaneously on the earth. 10:29 And when it appears 10:30 it's as complex as life is today. 10:34 So there's no time for evolution 10:37 to generate the very first life forms. 10:39 Did you know the great atheist 10:42 Richard Dawkins from Oxford University, 10:46 when he looked at the geological record 10:48 he said, it almost appears as though creation took place? 10:53 Exactly and he's referring to something 10:54 called the Cambrian Explosion. 10:56 Where the very first appearance of animals 10:58 on the surface of the earth, 11:00 which, then they appear on the oceans is virtually-- 11:03 It's suddenly in a geological sense. 11:05 It's, they appear in an instant. 11:08 We have single celled organisms and then suddenly boom, 11:11 we have these fully formed animals out of nowhere. 11:14 In fact, Darwin knew about the Cambrian Explosion 11:17 and it deeply troubled him. 11:18 Yes, it did. 11:19 As he saw that is a serious problem for his theory. 11:23 And Darwin argued well, 11:24 maybe if we continue to collect fossils 11:27 that problem will disappear. 11:28 But we now know the Cambrian Explosion 11:30 is a real event in life's history 11:32 and it defies evolutionary explanations. 11:35 I was astounded to read the remarks 11:37 of Professor Leakey, you know, he's the palaeontologist, 11:42 geologist who discovered Lucy. 11:46 And he said Lucy was her mother. 11:48 We came from Lucy. This was on PBS all around. 11:53 American people said 11:54 this is a profound proof of evolution. 11:58 But before his death he said, 12:00 "No, we didn't come from Lucy at all." 12:03 Well, you know, it's interesting 12:04 because this whole idea, these harmaneds 12:06 and the fossil record like Lucy and the Handy Man 12:09 and the Peaking Man and Neanderthals. 12:12 You know people view them 12:13 as being our evolutionary ancestors, 12:16 but the fact of the matter is, 12:18 almost everyone of those has been rendered 12:21 by evolutionary biologist. 12:22 Yes. Side branches in dead ends. 12:24 Nobody knows how that evolutionary process happened. 12:27 And it's total chaos 12:29 and confusion in that discipline. 12:31 Absolutely, and Leakey before his death said, 12:34 not only do we no longer believe 12:36 that Lucy was our ancestor, 12:38 but it appears that man came upon the scene suddenly 12:44 and abruptly completely formed. 12:46 Yeah, well, this is something that is to me mind boggling, 12:49 is that today, anthropologist can look at genetic variation 12:53 of people all over the world. 12:55 And from that draw information about 12:57 the origin of humanity 12:59 and to everyone's surprise it looks like, 13:01 everybody on the planet based on genetic variability, 13:04 can trace an origin back to a single female individual. 13:07 She's called Mitochondrial Eve in the scientific literature. 13:10 It's a bit amazing isn't it? 13:11 They are using the language of the Bible. 13:13 I'm telling you. Exactly. 13:14 Well, when Genesis 3:20 says, Adam named his wife Eve, 13:17 she would become the mother of every living person. 13:20 That statement is literally true. 13:22 It's scientifically demonstrably true. 13:25 And every man can trace an origin back 13:26 to a single male individual called Y Chromosome Adam. 13:29 And you're absolutely certain about this? 13:32 This is throughout the scientific literature, 13:34 this has been established and accepted 13:36 since probably the mid 1990s, so it's amazing. 13:40 Now evolutionary biologists interrupt this, 13:43 from within a evolutionary framework, 13:45 but if you step back and say, what will we expect to see 13:48 if the Bible is true with respect to human origins? 13:52 Well, expect to see exactly these kind of results. 13:56 We're talking to Dr. Fazale Rana 13:58 from "Reasons to Believe" 14:00 and we're talking about the greatest hoax 14:02 possibly in the history of the human race, 14:05 "The Theory of Evolution." 14:07 Stay with us because we'll be back. 14:27 You can have all the silver 14:31 You can have all the gold 14:35 Just give me Jesus 14:41 You can have all the wisdom 14:45 This earth can hold 14:49 Just give me Jesus Give me Jesus 14:53 When I'm lonely and I've nowhere to go 14:59 Give me Jesus He's the only 15:02 One who love me so Give me Jesus 15:07 Because Jesus is all I need 15:20 You can have all the spotlights 15:24 You can have all the fame 15:28 Just give me Jesus 15:34 You can have all the success 15:38 Have your well-known name Just give me Jesus 15:44 Give me Jesus Jesus 15:46 When I'mlonely and I've nowhere to go 15:51 Give me Jesus Jesus 15:53 He's the only One who loves me 15:57 So give me Jesus 16:01 Because Jesus is all I need 16:07 He's been my closest friend 16:09 When no one seem to care 16:14 Hello, there, I'm John Carter. 16:15 You're tuned to the Carter Report. 16:18 My guest today is a scientist Dr. Fazale Rana. 16:21 Welcome back, Fuzz. 16:22 Thank you, John, for having me. 16:24 It's a privilege to have you with us. 16:26 I'm gonna read this statement 16:27 and then I want you to comment on this 16:29 because this gets to the heart of the matter. 16:32 "Ignorant people think all scientists 16:34 are agreed about evolution." 16:37 It's quite a statement. 16:38 "This is not the case. Thousands dispute it." 16:42 I took this from another scientist. 16:45 Dr. Rana, Darwin had no idea about the complexity of a cell? 16:52 He thought it was just a blob 16:54 and it come out of the ocean or something. 16:56 Now I want to read you a statement 16:58 and then I want you to, to talk about this. 17:01 I'm gonna quote from a person that 17:03 you know, "Michael Denton, 17:05 physician and molecular biologist." 17:08 He says, "To grasp the reality of life 17:11 as it has been revealed by molecular biology, 17:17 we must imagine a cell, a thousand million times." 17:22 We've just, he got said, we got to magnify a cell, 17:25 a 1000 million times 17:27 until it is 20 km's in diameter. 17:32 So we blow the cell, 17:33 that you can't see with the naked eye. 17:36 We blow it up a 1000 million times. 17:40 He says, "It resembles a giant airship 17:43 large enough to cover great city like 17:45 London or New York." 17:48 What we would then see would be an object 17:50 of unparalleled complexity and adaptive design. 17:57 On the surface of the cell, 17:58 we would see millions of openings." 18:01 You know all about this. 18:02 I don't know anything about this. 18:04 "Millions of openings. 18:05 Like the portholes of a vast spaceship, 18:07 opening and closing to allow continual stream 18:11 of materials to flow in and out. 18:15 If we were to enter one of these openings 18:19 we would find ourselves in a world 18:21 of supreme technology and bewildering complexity. 18:27 We would see endless highly organized corridors 18:32 and conduits branching in every direction." 18:38 Dr. Fuzz, is that true? Would you comment? 18:41 That is a beautiful analogy 18:42 to the sheer complexity in the elegance 18:45 of that complexity inside the cell. 18:48 In fact, the complexity and the elegance 18:51 and the sophistication and the ingenuity 18:53 of the cells chemistry convinced me 18:55 that life must come from a Creator. 18:58 I was an agnostic when I started graduate school 19:00 studying biochemistry. 19:02 And within 6 months, 19:04 I recognized that there had to be a Creator. 19:06 And 6 months later I converted to Christianity, 19:09 but it's exactly for the very description 19:12 that you see Michael Denton providing, 19:14 that was rationale in my mind 19:16 for why there had to be a Creator. 19:18 How tiny is the cell? 19:20 The smallest cell would be about 1 millionth of meter. 19:23 And a meter is 39 inches. Yes. 19:25 So it's a millionth of that. Yeah. 19:26 So you can't see it? 19:27 You can't see it with the naked eye. 19:29 You can see it with a microscope 19:31 or you do a thousand fold magnification. 19:33 You can see very, very-- 19:35 Very barely can discern the cell, bacterial cell. 19:39 Is the cell almost as complex as the city? 19:42 It's more complex than the city. 19:44 It's more complex-- 19:45 In fact if you're actually able to go like 19:48 Michael Denton describes inside the cell, 19:51 you would see incredible technology, 19:53 but it would be completely foreign to you. 19:55 It would be so sophisticated and so advanced 19:58 that it would be mind boggling. 20:00 Tell me about this 'cause this blows me away. 20:02 Well, this is something that keeps me awake at night 20:04 when I think about the implications. 20:06 It keeps you awake? Yes. 20:07 But in the last 10 years computer scientist 20:11 and biochemist have come to recognize 20:14 that the way the cells machinery manipulates DNA 20:17 which is the information 20:18 that the cell harbours, the instructions with the cell. 20:21 The way the cells machinery manipulates it, 20:23 is identical to how our computer system functions. 20:27 And in fact it's so much like a computer system 20:30 that there's a whole area of nanotechnology 20:32 called DNA computing, 20:34 where scientists are literally building computers using DNA 20:37 in the cells machinery and these computers 20:40 are found in little test tubes that are about that big 20:43 called a Pandora test tubes and they are more powerful 20:46 than the most powerful super computer system today. 20:49 That's just a sampling 20:51 of what you're looking at inside the cell. 20:54 It's amazing to think that, 20:56 in life there are these computer systems 20:58 that only recently we've figure out 21:01 how to build ourselves as, as human designers. 21:04 It's totally mind boggling. 21:06 But the way in which the cells' machineries produce, 21:09 this, this elaborate assembled line 21:11 that is so sophisticated and so elegant, 21:13 it would put the most complex manufacturing operation 21:17 that we've produced, this human designers to shame. 21:20 The technology is mind boggling inside the cell. 21:23 Now evolutionists say that 21:25 they had a certain period of time 21:27 on planet earth for this to happen? 21:30 But the time even according to the evolutionary theory, 21:33 is not very long, is it? 21:35 No, it's just a whisper of time and when life appears on earth 21:40 it appears suddenly at the very first cell. 21:43 As soon as the earth can support life... 21:44 Would Darwin have come out with these theory of evolution, 21:50 if he had a, a way of viewing the cell? 21:54 You know, you have to think that he wouldn't, 21:57 because in Darwin's day as you mentioned, 22:00 he just thought of the cell is like a blob of jelly. 22:03 Yeah, yeah. 22:05 But when you, when you appreciate 22:06 the complexity of the cell, there's no way 22:09 that, that complexity could come about 22:11 through the out workings of evolutionary processes. 22:14 So help me out of this. 22:15 How can an evolutionist and I'm sure a sincere man like 22:20 Dr. Richard Dawkins and we could mention others. 22:23 How can they look at the cell with all its complexity, 22:27 and all the information inside the cell 22:30 and say, it happened by itself? 22:32 To me it's a philosophical commitment 22:35 to a particular explanation, 22:37 namely an evolutionary explanation 22:39 for the origin of life. 22:41 The evidence doesn't support it. 22:43 In fact, a few-- Say it again. 22:44 The evidence doesn't support it. 22:46 Yeah, the evidence doesn't support 22:48 an evolutionary explanation for the origin of life. 22:51 In fact if you press most Origin of life researchers, 22:54 they will agree that we have no explanation 22:57 for the origin of life. 22:58 In fact, they will acknowledge 23:00 that it really does seem to be miraclous. 23:02 Let me tell you a really quick story. 23:04 Hugh Ross and I, who wrote Origins of Life together, 23:07 went to a Origin of Life conference in Oaxaca Mexico, 23:11 as we're preparing to right that book. 23:14 And the opening lecture 23:16 of the conference of given by, name, 23:18 by man named Lesley Orgel who died just a few years ago. 23:21 But he was alive he was considered 23:23 the premier origin of life researcher. 23:25 He was like the godfather 23:27 in the origin of life research community. 23:29 And he was given the honor of giving 23:31 the opening lecture to the entire conference. 23:33 And he went through a detailed list of all the problems 23:37 that are confronting a particular explanation 23:39 for the origin of life called the RNA World Hypothesis 23:43 and he stopped and he said, 23:45 "I sure hope they are no creationist in the audience. 23:49 But it would be miracle if a strand of RNA 23:53 ever appeared on the primitive earth." 23:54 So it's not that they acknowledge, 23:56 we don't have an explanation. 23:58 But in an honest moments they will actually say, 24:00 it really does look like it's a miracle. 24:03 So if you're a Christian 24:04 and you think God is responsible 24:06 for bringing life into existence, 24:08 that is a robust scientific conclusion. 24:11 So they accept their ideas by a gigantic leap of faith. 24:15 Exactly. 24:17 And it's really a religion. 24:18 It's a religious commitment. 24:20 Yeah, so Richard Dawkins is the high priest 24:22 of the great religious cult. 24:24 I think you could think of it that way. 24:26 Where by you believe not because of evidence, 24:28 but because you got preconceived ideas 24:32 and you're a naturalist and you believe in materialism. 24:35 And you don't want God to get his in the foot in the door. 24:38 That's exactly right. 24:39 In fact, I would say that it's a greater leap of faith 24:42 to think that evolution 24:44 generated the very first life forms. 24:45 They were tremendous. 24:47 Than to think that a creator did it. 24:48 The evidence is actually substantiated. 24:51 So for me to think that God did it, 24:54 is really a small jump, compared to the leap 24:58 that evolutionists have to take. 24:59 These men are full of faith. What is Panspermia? 25:02 Well, this is kind of the loophole 25:05 that evolutionists are appealing to get around 25:07 the fact that we can't explain how life originated on earth. 25:11 The thought is well, maybe life didn't originate on earth, 25:13 it just simply was transported to earth 25:16 from some other location like 25:17 let's say, mars or Uranus. 25:18 But no proof. 25:20 Well, there's absolutely no proof. 25:21 But you're just postponing the problem to another place. 25:24 And it doesn't matter whether it's on the earth 25:26 or on mars or any other place in the universe, 25:29 the same problems are gonna confront 25:31 in evolutionary explanation. 25:33 And so at the end of the day you're forced into a position 25:37 whether you like it or not 25:39 that there has to be a mind behind life's origin. 25:42 It seems to me that NASA is driven by 25:46 a burning desire to find evidence 25:48 of life out there in the stars. 25:51 That is also a strong motivation of NASA 25:54 and that's how they justify 25:56 the money that they are spending. 25:57 And because they have accepted the idea of Neo-Darwinism, 26:04 they are smart enough to realise 26:05 there's not enough time than this earth 26:08 for life to arise by itself 26:10 and therefore the next thing is, 26:12 that it arose on Mars or somewhere else 26:14 out in the, out in the universe. 26:16 Yeah, that's it. That's it. 26:18 And then it was transported here to earth. 26:20 And again it's just simply trying to evade 26:23 a very serious scientific problem 26:25 that they are confronted with and maintain, again as you say 26:30 and I would agree with a religious commitment 26:33 to a particular philosophical view 26:35 that shapes, how they look at the question of origins. 26:38 And that's why we believe with all our hearts 26:42 after looking at the evidence 26:43 that Darwinism is the world's biggest hoax. 26:47 Now we're gonna keep moving along. 26:51 We'll start on this now 26:52 and then in our next television program, 26:54 which we're gonna link with this one, 26:55 we're gonna take it up again. 26:57 Tell me briefly, a little bit, 27:00 just very briefly in 30 seconds tell me about DNA and RNA. 27:05 Essentially you can think of the DNA and RNA 27:08 as the information systems in the cell that harbour, 27:11 again all the information that the cell needs 27:13 to make its machinery 27:15 and to carry out all of its operations, 27:17 but the information content is mind boggling 27:20 even in the simpler cell. 27:21 It's a huge amount of information 27:25 and it's just so elegant and sophisticated 27:27 in terms of the way that it's organized, 27:29 in the way that it's structured. 27:31 To me the DNA is one of the most 27:33 powerful evidences is for a creator. 27:36 And it pushes you back to the place 27:38 where you're going to say, 27:39 "Am I going to believe the materialism 27:42 because that's the philosophy? 27:44 Or am I going to believe in God? 27:46 And the evidence from the cell and from astronomy 27:50 and from geology, 27:52 it all points to a great Creator God 27:55 and therefore you believe. 27:58 Do you not? I do. 28:00 I believe that God exists because of the evidence, 28:02 because of the scientific evidence. 28:03 You're not because of faith, but because of the evidence? 28:06 Faith must be based upon evidence. 28:09 We've been talking today about the greatest hoax 28:12 in the whole wide world, that's the theory of evolution. 28:15 You've been listening to Dr. Fazale Rana 28:18 an esteemed scientist. 28:19 Please write to me today at the address on the screen 28:22 and until next time this is John Carter saying, 28:25 thank you and God richly bless you. |
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