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00:03 - Welcome everyone. 00:05 We're excited to share some country wisdom with you. 00:07 - King Solomon had a thing or two to say 00:09 about the path to wisdom. 00:11 In Proverbs Four, he wrote, "Let your eyes look 00:14 "directly forward and your gaze be straight before you. 00:19 "Keep straight the path of your feet 00:21 "and all your ways will be sure." 00:23 - Join us now for Country Wisdom. 00:26 (upbeat music) 00:35 I want to introduce you to Tim Chaffey today. 00:38 Tim is Content Director, is that the proper term? 00:41 - Manager, yeah. 00:42 - Content Manager, three Master's degrees, 00:44 working on a doctorate, I've gotta ask you, Tim, 00:47 what are those Master's degrees in? 00:49 - The MA is in Biblical and Theological Studies, 00:53 the MDiv specialized in Apologetic and Theology, 00:55 and then the THM is in Church History and Theology. 00:58 - All right so, we've got the perfect guy today 01:00 to talk about the Bible being trustworthy, is it? 01:03 - Yes. 01:05 (talking and laughing at the same time) 01:09 - That works, that really works. 01:11 I mean, that's the way it should be, 01:12 but unfortunately, in this world today 01:13 that isn't the way it is, a lotta people don't believe that. 01:16 - A lotta people believe that the Bible 01:19 is actually full of mistakes, 01:20 that it contradicts itself. 01:23 - Right, they talk about how there are 01:24 scientific errors or historical errors 01:27 or that it contradicts itself. 01:28 You know, I've been studying the book 01:30 for a long time, really in depth for over 25 years. 01:33 I haven't seen one yet. 01:34 And yet they keep. 01:35 - What are some of the most popular criticisms, 01:39 the ones that people bring up the most? 01:42 - Yeah so, since we're here at the Ark Encounter, 01:44 let's talk about one from Genesis. 01:46 A lotta people say in the Creation Week, 01:48 well, the Bible says God made light on day one, 01:51 but he made the sun on day four, and so there's 01:53 this contradiction there. 01:54 - I've heard that one. 01:55 - Yeah, and when you explain it to people 01:56 that no, he made light on day one. 01:59 You don't need the sun to have light. 02:00 When you flip on a light switch in your room 02:02 you're not using the sun. 02:04 So, you don't have to have the sun to have light. 02:07 It's just like God made the permanent light source, 02:09 the sun, on day four. 02:12 And they'll say, well, how can you have days 02:13 before that then, because days one, two, and three 02:16 were before that, so those must not be 02:18 literal days, you know, 24 hour days, 02:19 because you don't have the sun. 02:21 You don't measure the day by the sun. 02:23 You measure by the rotation of the earth. 02:25 And so, as long as you have a rotating earth 02:27 and you have light, then which you have, 02:31 because you have evening and morning, 02:32 evening and morning, on each of those days, 02:35 then you can measure the length of the day. 02:37 And so, God is telling us how long 02:39 those days were. 02:40 They were evening and morning. 02:41 They were dark and night periods, 24 hours. 02:45 - It's kind of interesting too, this may 02:46 be bigger bite size chunks for some people, 02:49 but the Bible says God is light. 02:51 - Yeah. 02:52 - So, I picture God just lighting up the universe 02:54 before he helped us out here with the sun. 02:57 - That may very well be how he did it. 03:00 I mean, the Bible doesn't tell us 03:00 what that light was. 03:02 - It's kind of, for me I kind of imagine it as 03:04 that corner of the universe lit up 03:07 because God was moving in, you know. 03:09 As soon as he entered the area it was lit up. 03:12 - If you think about what's interesting 03:13 if you think about the end of the book of Revelation 03:15 and there's so many things at the end of Revelation 03:18 that tie into the beginning of Genesis. 03:20 - What is that, the chiastic structure? 03:21 (talking at the same time) 03:24 - Usually it had to do more with like a poet, 03:25 a structure of a certain narrative 03:27 where you see things repeated, but in reverse. 03:29 But, this one you have, you know, you have 03:32 the Tree of Life mentioned again in Revelation, 03:34 and no more curse. 03:36 Well, there was no curse at the beginning. 03:37 You have the light, and there's no need 03:40 of the sun because the Lamb, or Christ himself, 03:42 will be the light. 03:43 So maybe that is what the light source was 03:45 those first three days, doesn't tell us that. 03:48 That's a good speculation, but maybe 03:50 some temporary light source got put there. 03:52 - By the way, I should mention to our viewers too, 03:54 that we are here at the Ark Encounter. 03:56 So, we're in the middle, a lotta folks around. 03:59 You've got bands going for the celebration. 04:02 - Yeah, we're here at a good time. 04:02 - Yeah, great time. 04:04 - We've had a, this summer we've had 04:05 40 days and 40 nights of gospel music at the Ark 04:08 and that's why we have musicians playing 04:09 in the morning and in the evening. 04:10 And then, we have some outdoor things, 04:12 so we might hear some music strike up 04:13 in a little bit. 04:14 - But, it's all been good music. 04:15 - Yeah, and the people have been coming, 04:18 the bands that are coming in, they're so friendly 04:20 and great to get to know them. 04:22 And we have popular pastors who are coming 04:24 and sharing the gospel. 04:25 David Jeremiah's gonna be here, 04:27 and so just a lot of well known people 04:30 and they can find out more, look on our website. 04:32 We've only got a few days left of it though, so. 04:34 - Now let's unpack if we can, 'cause we don't have 04:36 a lotta time, but unpack the creation day 04:39 a little more in depth if you would. 04:41 - Yeah, so a lotta times, ever since the late 1700s, 04:45 the early 1800s, there have been, that's 04:48 when geology was getting started, 04:49 the science of geology. 04:51 You know, in the 1700s you couldn't go 04:53 to school and get a degree in geology. 04:54 People were just starting to study the rock, 04:56 and some of the early geologists, people like 04:58 Charles Lyell, who was an attorney by trade, 05:00 but he wanted to separate or divorce 05:05 the science of geology from Moses. 05:07 That's what his stated goal was to try 05:09 to move it away from the Bible. 05:10 And so, he would fudge numbers, you know, 05:11 about the Niagara Falls and how quickly it's receding. 05:13 He wanted it to be hundreds of thousands 05:16 of years old rather than just thousands 05:17 of years old, because you can kind of measure those things. 05:19 And so, he would fudge his numbers 05:21 and his books were extremely influential, 05:24 Principles of Geology. 05:25 They made it onboard the HMS Beagle. 05:28 - Tim, I've just gotta have you back up 05:30 just for a second. 05:31 - Yeah. 05:32 - Folks, this may be really important. 05:33 Talk about Niagara Falls and how we can show 05:36 that a young earth. 05:37 - Yeah, so waterfalls will often they'll erode 05:40 the rock that they're flowing over, 05:42 and so they actually move back over time 05:44 and you can measure the rate how quickly 05:47 they move back and then you can just calculate, 05:50 well, how long would that be before it was 05:51 in the great lake. 05:53 And so, that's how you're able 05:56 to calculate those things. 05:58 Now, you have to assume that it's 06:02 always been constant, but during the Ice Age 06:04 and when that ended you would have 06:05 you know, a lot more water flowing through there 06:07 which would erode it quicker. 06:09 And so there are some factors 06:10 that you have to take into account. 06:11 But, it does kinda give you an upper limit 06:14 of those things. 06:15 That was not on there for millions of years, 06:16 which even with seculars I would say no, 06:17 because there was an Ice Age and that's when 06:19 these things would have been. 06:21 - Things have not always been uniform. 06:22 - That's exactly right. 06:24 - It also, when you were talking about Charles Lyell, 06:27 it reminds me that no matter what the data is 06:33 your world view effects how you interpret those numbers, 06:35 how you interpret what it is you're looking at. 06:37 - Yeah, and we see that all the time. 06:39 You know, a good example is in 2005, there was 06:42 some soft tissue that was discovered in the upper 06:44 leg bone of a tyrannosaur, so the femur, 06:46 and they had broken it open to transport 06:49 it and when they did that and they were 06:50 you know, studying it they found soft tissue 06:52 and blood cells and blood vessels. 06:54 - Which should not still be there. 06:55 - No, we've been told for years, 06:57 we've been told for years, you'll never find 07:00 anything like that because none of that could last 07:02 for more than 10,000 years, because as soon 07:03 as the creature dies all of the DNA, everything else, 07:06 starts breaking down and you'd never find it. 07:08 Well, they found it. 07:10 And then right away the outcry was, 07:11 oh, that was contamination. 07:12 You gotta look again. 07:14 They did look again and they found it. 07:15 And then, what was their conclusion? 07:17 Oh, maybe the millions of years are wrong, right? 07:20 No, that wasn't their conclusion. 07:22 Their conclusion was there must be some process 07:24 by which these things can be preserved 07:25 for 67 million years. 07:27 We look at it and say, that's perfectly consistent 07:29 with what we would expect. 07:30 So, we had other dinosaur bones broken open 07:32 and guess what? 07:33 Soft tissue. 07:34 We're finding more of that. 07:35 - Blood cells. 07:36 - Yeah. 07:37 So, that's a great example of how people 07:39 look at the exact same data and they have 07:42 two different world views looking at it and they 07:44 reach different conclusions. 07:45 And that's what people need to understand. 07:47 This whole creation/evolution thing, 07:48 it is not science versus faith. 07:51 That's how it's always portrayed in the media. 07:53 It's not you know fact versus belief. 07:55 It is world view about the past, present, and future 07:57 versus world view about the past, present, and future. 08:00 One begins with man's ideas that change 08:01 all the time, who don't know everything 08:03 and often times are trying to get 08:05 away from God, not all of 'em. 08:07 And then, the other starts with God's word, 08:09 the word of the one who knows all things 08:11 who's always been, who made everything, 08:13 who told us what he did and he cannot lie. 08:15 So, we're gonna start there. 08:18 - It absolutely makes sense. 08:19 I mean, that's the place to start. 08:20 - Yeah. 08:23 - Continue on now with the Creation Week. 08:25 - Yeah well, real quickly before. 08:27 (talking at the same time) 08:28 We were talkin' about Charles Lyell. 08:29 Well, his books were taken onboard 08:30 the HMS Beagle with Charles Darwin 08:33 and that's what gave Darwin 08:35 the millions of years that he needed 08:38 to propose the idea of evolution, 08:39 or promote it. 08:40 The idea had already been there, 08:41 but to really popularize it. 08:43 So those two in tandem really caused 08:46 a drastic shift in the way that people 08:48 thought about these issues, 08:49 because prior to that time most people 08:51 assumed, yeah, the Biblical flood 08:52 and that's how we can explain these layers 08:54 that we see in the ground. 08:55 So, going back to the Creation Week, 08:57 the Bible tells us that each of those days 09:00 were normal length days. 09:02 They began with evening and morning. 09:03 They're in a numbered sequence and whenever 09:05 you find in historical narrative 09:06 a numbered sequence in Hebrew it's always of days, 09:10 attach the word day. 09:11 It's always a normal length day. 09:12 - Not long periods of time. 09:15 - Right, and even in Exodus, Chapter 20, 09:17 when God is giving the Ten Commandments 09:19 and he says to remember the Sabbath day 09:21 to keep it holy, he goes and gives, 09:22 he says you're gonna work six days 09:23 and rest for one 'cause that's what I did. 09:26 For in six days the Lord made the heaven, 09:27 the earth, the sea and all that is in them 09:28 and rested the seventh day. 09:30 That's Exodus 20, verse 11. 09:31 Well, if God worked for, you know, if it was 09:34 really for millions of years, well, the Israelites 09:36 are gonna have a pretty long week. 09:37 I hope it's Friday night or else they're 09:39 gonna have a rough time. 09:40 - And when you think, if you don't believe 09:42 in the Creation Week, how do you explain 09:45 where we get a week? 09:47 - It's interesting because. 09:48 - Everything else is based on bodies, 09:50 you know, astronomical bodies. 09:51 - Right, the 24 hour day is the earth 09:53 rotating one time. 09:54 The 365 and a quarter day, year, is days a year, 09:58 is the amount of time it takes the earth 10:00 to travel around the sun. 10:01 The month is based on the amount of time 10:04 the moon goes around the earth 10:05 and the seven day week is from? 10:07 - Yeah, where is that from? 10:09 - It's not from astronomy. 10:10 And yet, nearly every culture has been using 10:12 that and it's from God's word. 10:14 It's almost as if we were made to work 10:16 on that schedule because we were. 10:18 - It is interesting too, circadian rhythm 10:21 they found is that seven day cycle. 10:23 - Yeah. 10:25 - In humans, we just don't function well. 10:26 In Europe they tried to stick in you know a 10. 10:28 - After the French Revolution and said, 10:30 let's do it on 10. 10:31 - Yeah, 10-day work week didn't work, 10:32 'bout killed everybody, because God 10:34 had set us up to match that. 10:38 Continue on, you've got a lot of exciting things. 10:40 We could go on for hours. 10:42 - Well so, what some Christians have tried to do is 10:44 blend that millions of years with the Bible 10:47 and it just doesn't work. 10:48 It creates all sorts of problems. 10:50 If you try to put it before Adam, then you've got 10:51 death and suffering and disease before Adam. 10:53 The Bible says those things are a result of Adam's sin. 10:55 - You also have to say, okay, God's plan 11:00 for developing up to humans was for a lot 11:02 of death to happen. 11:03 - Right. 11:05 Yeah so if God used evolution, which is what people, 11:07 some people will say, and then sometimes 11:08 Christians will say, well, he could do that if he wanted. 11:10 Really, the God who is holy, just, pure, 11:12 and merciful could use a process 11:14 of death and suffering and disease 11:15 for millions and millions of years 11:16 and call it very good? 11:18 That doesn't sound like the God of scripture 11:20 who calls death an enemy. 11:22 - Back that up just a little bit for people 11:24 who may not really have a handle on this. 11:27 Unpack that a little bit more, when you talk 11:29 about this timeframe and death, destruction and everything. 11:32 - Yeah so, if the rock layers that we find 11:33 in the ground, if you know, when you look 11:35 at the Grand Canyon, full of fossils and everything, 11:38 and fossils are evidence of dead things. 11:39 If that's really a record of millions 11:42 and millions and millions of years, 11:43 hundreds of millions of years of death 11:45 and suffering and disease, all those things 11:48 had to have happened before the first man 11:50 was on the scene, according to evolutionary 11:51 time scale and everything. 11:53 And yet, after God makes Adam and Eve 11:54 he looked at everything he had made 11:56 and said it was very good, perfect. 11:59 There's no death in something. 12:01 God says those things are gonna be if you sin, death. 12:04 So, death is a result of sin, yeah. 12:07 And the New Testament's very clear 12:08 on that as well. 12:09 So, if you have death and suffering, disease, 12:11 thorns and thistles, all of that that we find 12:13 in the fossil record, before Adam, 12:15 then God just called all those things very good, 12:17 and that's not how God is described 12:20 in the scripture. 12:21 And here's where it really hits the road 12:23 for us as Christians, if Adam's sin 12:25 did not bring physical death into this world, 12:28 then how come the solution to sin 12:30 is the physical death of the Son of God on the cross 12:33 and the physical bodily resurrection 12:34 from the grave, if sin and death have no connection, 12:36 which is what the millions of years does, 12:38 disconnect those, then the gospel 12:40 doesn't make sense anymore either. 12:42 - And that's the very point that they wanna make. 12:45 - For the skeptic, yes. 12:46 You know, there are some Christians who believe 12:48 the gospel, but they don't believe 12:49 what Genesis says about you know, 12:51 the age of the year like we're talking about. 12:52 And so they have a disconnect. 12:53 They can still be saved by believing 12:55 what Christ has done, but they're kinda saying, 12:57 but, I don't really believe you here. 12:58 I don't really trust you here. 12:59 I'm gonna trust the scientists. 13:01 - But, if you believe in Christ, 13:03 you know, if you accept New Testament, 13:05 but are going, ah, but Genesis you know, 13:07 Christ quoted from Genesis. 13:09 Christ believed. 13:11 You know, Jesus, when he was on earth 13:13 believed that Noah existed and that there was a flood. 13:15 - And that Abel existed. 13:16 - And he believed that sin came in with Adam. 13:18 - Yeah, and he was there. 13:20 He made them. 13:22 - So, you have to assume he was wrong about that. 13:23 - That's what some people will say. 13:24 They'll say, oh, he just accommodated 13:25 to the errors of his day. 13:25 So, he sinned? 13:26 Then he can't be our Savior, 13:28 because he'd be dying for his own sins. 13:30 Yeah, so people don't think through 13:33 a lotta those things deeply. 13:34 They think the scientific issue, oh, that's 13:36 an issue for the scientists and we gotta 13:37 trust the scientists. 13:38 - I'm just going on faith. 13:39 - So, do you trust the scientists who also say 13:41 people don't rise from the dead? 13:42 Because if you deny the resurrection, 13:44 you're not a believer. 13:45 And yet, they're believing that part. 13:47 - And what kind of hope do you have 13:48 if you don't believe in that? 13:49 - Right, and how many scientists say virgins 13:51 don't give birth? 13:52 So, we accept miracles in the New Testament. 13:54 Somehow God couldn't do something miraculously 13:55 in the Old. 13:57 And it's because they're trusting a philosophy. 13:59 They don't understand, they think it's a science, 14:00 but it's really uniformitarian philosophy 14:03 that says all things continue the way 14:04 they have been for millions and millions of years. 14:06 There was never a worldwide flood. 14:08 - And if we don't see it today, 14:09 it didn't happen yesterday either. 14:11 - Yeah, and so people don't recognize 14:14 really the nature of the battle 14:15 that's been going on. 14:16 It's been very clever, you know, 14:17 from the skeptics, really from the enemy, 14:19 to undermine Genesis because then it will 14:21 undermine the rest of scripture. 14:23 - Hey Janice, how you doin'? 14:24 - Hey, you wrote another book. 14:26 - I did, had a burden on my heart 14:28 and God helped me get it done. 14:30 - So, The Plan of Love. 14:33 What's it about? 14:34 - Well, it's really about God in eternity 14:37 saw everything that was going to happen here 14:38 and his amazing love, he says, I'm going 14:42 to take care of the problems. 14:43 I'm going to take care of the situation 14:45 by giving my own life. 14:46 He did all that, but we've been lied to so much 14:50 we don't see what God has planned for us, 14:52 what God is doing for us. 14:54 Matter of fact, the angel came down to Mary 14:56 and said, you shall call his name Jesus 14:59 for he shall save his people from their sin. 15:02 Notice it wasn't in, but from. 15:04 - 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I'm admitting to a bit of a flaw 16:08 in my character here. 16:10 There might be just a touch of pride in me 16:13 that the Lord has not quite overcome. 16:16 I get so upset when people, oh, you believe in creation. 16:22 It's kind of like, you're just 16:24 a little ignorant, you know. 16:25 If you just really understood science 16:27 you wouldn't believe that anymore. 16:30 I'm an intelligent person 16:32 and the thought that the only reason 16:35 I believe in creation and believe 16:37 in the whole literal Genesis is that I'm dumb. 16:41 That might get to me, 16:43 more than it should. 16:45 - Paul allowed himself to be called 16:46 a fool for Christ sake. 16:47 If Paul could be a fool I am way dumber than Paul. 16:52 - I need to learn to accept 16:56 when people think I'm dumb. 16:57 - Tim, you've got me goin' here in Creation Week. 16:59 Let's kinda keep, keep diggin' in to more stuff. 17:01 - Sure, what do you wanna know? 17:03 (laughing) 17:05 - I think we were up to about day three was it? 17:06 - So, one of the things, we're here 17:07 at the Ark Encounter, so we talk about animals a lot. 17:09 So, a lotta times Christians will add, 17:12 try to add the millions of years, they'll say, 17:13 oh, it's perfectly consistent with the order of events. 17:15 You know, I can give you quotes 17:17 from like Norman Keisler and other people, 17:18 you know, very brilliant men 17:21 and they'll say things like order of events 17:22 from the big bang in evolution lines up with Genesis One. 17:24 No it doesn't. 17:25 It doesn't even come close to that. 17:27 Okay, so they, from the evolutionary point of view, 17:29 you know, you have dinosaurs would be 17:31 land animals, so they're on day six. 17:33 Well, the Bible said they're on day six. 17:35 But, the evolutionaries say they evolved into birds. 17:37 Well, birds are day five. 17:38 They're the exact opposite order. 17:40 The evolutionary view, big bang and everything, 17:42 has the sun before the earth. 17:44 What does the Bible have? 17:45 The earth before the sun. 17:46 And we have an article on our website 17:48 by Dr. Terry Mortenson that goes through 17:49 like 23 differences in the order of events. 17:51 You can't just take the millions of years 17:53 and stick it on top of Genesis One 17:54 without completely changing what Genesis One says. 17:58 And then, people will say, well, 17:59 the point of Genesis One is just to tell us 18:00 that God made everything and that man's 18:03 made in his image. 18:04 Then, why do we have all those verses? 18:05 I mean, we have, you could say that in Genesis 1:1 18:07 and Genesis 1:26 and 27. 18:09 What about all the rest? 18:10 Even if those are the two most important points, 18:11 it doesn't mean the other details are insignificant 18:15 or are wrong, 18:16 which is what these people are claiming. 18:18 And no, let's just look at the Bible 18:20 the way that Jesus did. 18:22 It's God's word, it's authoritative, 18:23 it's accurate from the very beginning 18:24 to the very end. 18:26 And we're to follow his example. 18:27 - For the non-believer they can trust that it's real. 18:31 For the Christian, you'd better 18:33 get your act together a little bit 18:34 and believe what it says, because if you believe 18:36 in evolution you've got a problem. 18:38 - But, we're not basing, I'm not basing 18:41 my faith in nothing. 18:44 It's not just well, you know, you hear so often, 18:46 God said it I believe it. 18:48 I don't think he ever asks us to believe things 18:50 without an awful lot of evidence that we 18:53 can hang that belief on. 18:55 - Yeah, if you look at Hebrews 11, the faith 18:57 hall of fame, how does it define faith? 18:59 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence 19:02 of things not seen. 19:04 The word evidence is part of the definition 19:06 of faith in the Bible, and I think my favorite 19:08 example of faith in scripture is in that chapter 19:11 it talks about how Abraham was willing 19:13 to sacrifice Isaac. 19:15 You know, jokingly I say it's because he 19:16 was a teenage boy, so I get it, okay. 19:19 I've got a teenage boy, too. 19:20 If the Lord said, kill him, okay, 19:22 I've been waitin' for that one. 19:23 (laughing) 19:25 I love my boy. 19:26 - Better erase that in the tape. 19:28 (laughing) 19:29 - But, what does it tell us? 19:30 Abraham reasoned, this is his faith, 19:33 Abraham reasoned that God would bring him back 19:36 from the dead. 19:36 Why? 19:38 Because God had already told Abraham, 19:39 it's through Isaac all of this is gonna happen. 19:40 And then God shows up and says, Abraham, 19:42 now sacrifice your son. 19:44 Abraham thinks it through and he's like, 19:45 if I do it it's on you, God. 19:47 You've gotta raise him. 19:48 Okay, I'll do it. 19:49 Because he knew God was trustworthy. 19:52 Faith is about trusting in the one 19:54 who has shown himself to be trustworthy 19:56 time and time and time again. 19:58 And of course, God stopped Abraham from doing it. 20:00 And God himself was the one who sent 20:02 his Son and sacrificed his Son on our behalf. 20:05 - So, if I walked in here and I'm one of the, I think 20:08 you said about 30% of the visitors 20:10 you get here are not believers or unchurched. 20:14 If I was one of those, hey, let's go 20:17 and just see what these stupid people 20:19 have put together, you know, so and have fun 20:21 picking it all apart, what are maybe one or two 20:26 of the pieces of evidence that you would say, 20:29 okay, look at this? 20:31 - Yeah, I think when you're dealing 20:32 with the Ark itself, you're looking at the feasibility. 20:34 You know, could you really fit all the animals 20:35 on the Ark, and we've talked about that before 20:37 in a previous show, that yeah, that's feasible. 20:43 That can happen. 20:44 Look how big the Ark is. 20:45 Here's how much space they had. 20:46 Here's how many animals. 20:46 That works. 20:47 And so, I think people can understand 20:49 it from that perspective. 20:50 One of the things we talk about at the Creation Museum, 20:52 we have archeological evidence 20:53 that is consistent with the Bible, 20:55 and we were talking before we started filming. 20:57 - Scientology never disproves scripture. 20:59 - No no no, there have been thousands 21:01 of sites that have been found and discovered 21:03 because they're exactly where the Bible 21:04 said they would be and the Bible's been used 21:07 as a map to find the location of these ancient places. 21:09 And over and over again skeptics will say 21:12 things like, oh, there's never any evidence 21:14 for the Hittite people, and you know, we heard 21:16 that up until t 1906, when the Hittite culture, 21:19 national library with 30,000 clay tablets, 21:21 all of these things were discovered 21:22 and we know how their whole empire, 21:25 we know about all of those things now. 21:27 Or David never existed. 21:28 He was more like a you know, a King Arthur 21:30 type figure for the Israelites and it was written 21:31 hundreds of years later. 21:32 - Mythological figure. 21:33 - Yeah, until we found the Tel Dan Stele 21:34 that talked about the House of David, 21:36 meaning that it was a kingly line from David, 21:39 and it was from about 150 years after him. 21:40 And Goliath wasn't a real person, you know, 21:44 the giant that David fought against. 21:46 And then, in the town of Gath, what do they find? 21:48 They find potsherds that have the name, 21:50 very similar to the name Goliath, 21:52 and from the same time period. 21:55 Meaning, that name was used in Gath at that time. 21:57 It wasn't something written hundreds 21:58 of years later that was just made up. 22:00 These were people who were writing 22:02 about things that they saw, that they witnessed. 22:04 - What about evidence for the flood? 22:06 If you, in the world that we see today, 22:08 if you travel to national parks or whatever, 22:13 where can you see the flood? 22:15 - All over, all over. 22:17 I mean, Grand Canyon. 22:18 - I think of the Grand Canyon. 22:19 - Yeah, the Grand Canyon is a great example. 22:20 You have a mile worth of these rock layers 22:23 and those were nearly all laid down during the flood. 22:27 And there's so much scientific research 22:31 that has gone into that. 22:32 In fact, just recently, our geologist on staff, 22:34 Dr. Andrew Snelling, was able, he had 22:37 to sue the park service in order to get 22:38 the samples because they wouldn't let him get it. 22:40 They said, no, we want just science here. 22:41 He was granted new science, because there are places 22:44 in the Grand Canyon where you have 22:45 these folds and bends of you know dozens 22:48 and dozens of feet of rock layers. 22:50 - How did that happen over a million years, 22:51 that it folded? 22:52 - If you get all these rock layers 22:53 that slowly, gradually form over you know, 22:55 thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, 22:57 and then something happened to cause them 22:58 to warp upward and down, they would 23:00 fracture and break. 23:01 And yet, we have all these layers, 23:03 you know, 50 feet tall, of all these layers 23:05 where they're bent and folded like this 23:06 and they're not cracked. 23:08 And so, how does that happen? 23:09 Well, you know, through enough pressure 23:13 you can heat it up and the rock can change, 23:15 and that's true. 23:18 But then then chemical composition changes. 23:21 And so, what Dr. Snelling wanted to do was 23:22 let's grab some samples from those 23:23 different bends and folds and everything 23:25 and check the chemical composition. 23:27 He just published his first paper on it just 23:29 about two months ago. 23:30 The chemical composition has not changed, 23:33 meaning all of those layers were laid down quickly 23:35 and were still soft when they were bent, 23:38 which is perfectly consistent with the worldwide flood. 23:40 - And actually seems more logical. 23:42 - I was actually just in Mount St. Helens, 23:45 the, what they call the little Grand Canyon, 23:47 one 40th the size of the Grand Canyon, 23:49 two weeks ago I was down there hiking 23:50 and pretty neat to see. 23:53 - And as we know, it took millions of years. 23:55 - Of course, it took one mud flow. 23:57 I mean, this canyon was carved out in a day. 24:01 And what Mount St. Helens did in a small, 24:04 you know, it's a little volcano by contrast 24:07 to a lotta the other ones, it created 24:09 this laboratory that scientists can go look 24:10 at and say, wow, all of this catastrophic stuff 24:12 can happen rapidly. 24:14 It does not take millions of years. 24:15 And it was extraordinary to be down there 24:18 walkin' around lookin' at those things. 24:19 - It's so difficult to look at the Grand Canyon, 24:21 even when I wasn't a believer, and think 24:24 how did that little river make all of this? 24:27 Well, they add millions of years and it works. 24:29 No, it doesn't. 24:30 - It would have to flow uphill for millions 24:32 of years first to get in there because. 24:33 Yeah, that's the thing. 24:36 We were talking about how do you, you know, 24:38 people look at the same evidence 24:39 and have different conclusions. 24:41 You can stand at the rim of the Grand Canyon 24:42 as a person who believes what the Bible says 24:45 about creation and the flood, or get somebody 24:47 who believes in the millions of years 24:49 and one person will say, look at that, a lotta water, 24:51 a little bit of time. 24:52 And another person would say, that was 24:54 a little bit of water over a long period of time. 24:56 Well, which one do we observe? 24:57 We've observed canyons being formed rapidly 24:59 by a lotta water rushing through there. 25:03 - One of the things you focus on too, Ark Encounter 25:05 in ministry is creation. 25:07 If someone wanted to just you know find out 25:11 a little more about creation, where would they look? 25:13 - Well, a great place would be our website, 25:16 answersingenesis.org. 25:17 We've got thousands of articles dealing 25:18 with you know, all of these issues, 25:21 so-called contradictions in the Bible 25:22 or you know these claims that the Bible's 25:26 not scientifically accurate, historically accurate. 25:28 We have so many articles on apologetics, 25:30 Christian living, all sorts of things 25:33 that people can find there. 25:34 It's always a wealth of information. 25:35 We've got a lotta books on those topics as well. 25:37 So, check out the bookstore while you're there 25:38 and you'll find a lotta things. 25:40 - My husband doesn't like how often 25:42 I'm on that website. 25:43 (laughing) 25:47 - Well, Tim, I just can't tell you how much 25:48 I appreciate your time with us and sharing 25:50 these things, letting people know 25:52 that you know, this is true, 25:53 and there's a lot of scientific evidence 25:55 to back it up, isn't there? 25:56 - Yeah, there sure is. 25:57 The Bible rightly interpreted will always match 26:01 God's world, rightly interpreted, 26:04 because it's true from beginning to end. 26:07 - Thank you so much. 26:08 - You're very welcome. 26:12 - Hey Janice, how're you doin'? 26:13 - Hey, you wrote another book. 26:15 - I did, had a burden on my heart 26:17 and God helped me get it done. 26:19 - So, The Plan of Love. 26:22 What's it about? 26:23 - Well, it's really about God in eternity 26:25 saw everything that was going to happen here 26:28 and his amazing love, he says, I'm going 26:31 to take care of the problems. 26:32 I'm going to take care of the situation 26:33 by giving my own life. 26:36 He did all that. 26:37 But, we've been lied to so much we don't see 26:40 what God has planned for us, 26:41 what God is doing for us. 26:43 Matter of fact, the angel came down 26:45 to Mary and said, you shall call his name Jesus 26:48 for he shall save his people from their sins. 26:51 Notice it wasn't in, but from. 26:53 - 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