Engage

Sex / Lust / Pornography Pt. 1

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Participants: Jay Rosario & Daniel McGrath (Host), Ariel Roldan

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00:20 Hello, I'm Jay Rosario, and welcome to Engage.
00:23 Joining me is my good friend Dan McGrath
00:25 who is our co-host.
00:27 Dan, who are you, and what you are doing here?
00:28 I'm Daniel McGrath, I'm new pastor
00:30 up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan,
00:32 just very happy to be here and joining the show today.
00:35 This series is a very, very special series,
00:37 because we're gonna be looking
00:38 at some highly relevant subjects
00:41 dealing with young adults in their Christian experience.
00:44 And we're always gonna be looking at the word of God,
00:46 the Bible to see what the Bible says
00:48 regarding these things.
00:49 Now Dan, what particular subject we're gonna be
00:52 discussing in the segment.
00:53 Yeah, today we're talking about the issue of sexuality
00:55 and you know in our culture today
00:57 its very misunderstood subject.
01:00 Some times it's uncomfortable for us,
01:02 for us to even talk about.
01:03 And you know, probably we're gonna be
01:05 little awkward when we hear.
01:07 But the Bible has a lot to say about the issue,
01:10 so this is what we're gonna talk about today.
01:11 And the reason why it's awkward,
01:13 we decided to invite a good friend of ours name,
01:15 Ariel Roldan, who actually used to be my teacher
01:19 at the mission college of evangelism.
01:21 How you're doing. Great.
01:22 Good to see, you're here with us. Thank you, thank you.
01:24 Now Ariel, we know you,
01:25 but our audience may not know who you are.
01:28 Who are you, Where do you come from?
01:30 Tell us little bit about yourself.
01:31 I'm originally from Argentina, but I'm U.S. citizen now.
01:35 Oh, congratulations.
01:36 I became U.S citizen last year.
01:39 I'm been married now for five years
01:40 this June and we just have our eight month old baby at home.
01:44 Oh, nice. That I'm missing a lot, so--
01:46 What are their names?
01:47 Daline is my wife's name
01:48 and Jienna is my daughter's name.
01:50 So you are a husband and you are a father. Yes.
01:52 So if there is anybody that is well versed
01:54 in the subject of sexuality-- Is Jesus.
01:57 Is Jesus and it's also,
01:59 Ariel Roldan, because obviously--
02:00 I'm growing brethren.
02:01 You are a family man, we really have--
02:02 My little girl is teaching me stuff.
02:04 Yeah, we're really happy that you are here with us.
02:05 Now, Ariel, tell us a little bit about sexuality.
02:09 Why is it that when even-- maybe not even jumping
02:13 into the discussion of sexuality
02:15 maybe even just mentioning sexuality or mentioning sex.
02:19 There is this kind of discomfort,
02:21 is kind of tabooish.
02:24 Where did this feeling come from
02:26 and why is it that there is so much reservations
02:29 about talking about sexuality.
02:30 Well people sometimes has primitive cultures
02:33 and things like that, but I travel quite a bit
02:35 not as much as you.
02:38 But I have seen this is a cross cultural thing. Yeah.
02:40 Pretty much every culture has this unawkwardness
02:42 when it comes to sexuality.
02:46 From a Christian perspective,
02:47 I think the church is at fault to a great degree
02:50 as to why many people think that you shouldn't talk
02:53 about sex, you shouldn't discuss about sex.
02:55 In a nutshell during the second,
02:58 third, fourth century,
03:00 Christianity began to shut its Jewish routes
03:02 and adapt more and more of the Greek world for you,
03:04 Greek philosophy.
03:06 And in essence I mean I'm distilling it down
03:08 to very, very, very basic concept.
03:11 The Greeks would see that the spiritual things,
03:14 the intangible visible things that are spiritual are good.
03:17 The material stuff including our bodies are bad.
03:21 We have good spirit inside a bad shell
03:23 which is the body and of course
03:25 you have sex with the body.
03:26 So when the Christian church begin to embrace
03:29 all of these philosophical ideas into the church.
03:32 It began to see sex in a negative light,
03:34 so much so that for people that really wanted
03:37 to get close to God, really want to have
03:39 an intimate relationship with God,
03:41 they would take a certain vow.
03:42 You want to guess or what,
03:43 what kind of vow they have to take.
03:45 There's some being so.
03:46 Salvacy. Yeah.
03:47 Because they saw a sex has hindering to nearness to God.
03:51 So that sex had a bad connotation.
03:53 Yeah. Because it's physical.
03:54 Yeah, but the Bible is completely opposite.
03:56 The Bible actually says that Enoch,
04:00 had a kid and after he has a kid,
04:03 after obviously, we can't have kid without having sex.
04:05 After he has child he walked with God.
04:08 So there was-- the Bible never intimated,
04:10 never hinted at if you want be really close with God,
04:14 don't have sex, don't have families.
04:16 Actually it was totally opposite,
04:17 if you really want to understand God's heart
04:19 have a child.
04:20 Now wait a second Ariel, wait a second,
04:22 because you entered there is some pretty
04:23 revolutionary things.
04:24 Usually speaking when a young adult
04:26 or young person or maybe any person
04:29 of any age of any particular culture.
04:32 Usually when we think of sexuality
04:35 and we think of the Bible, usually we don't put
04:37 those two things together.
04:39 We don't really see how
04:40 there is a relationship between the two.
04:42 Usually there is a kind of
04:43 this perspective that the Bible is asexual.
04:46 But in your explanation you mentioned the Bible,
04:49 the Bible this, the Bible that.
04:51 Does the Bible actually talk about sexuality?
04:53 Yes, and there is two transitions
04:55 not only is Bible not asexual, is also not anti sexual. Okay.
05:00 Because it does talk about it, but it's not against sex.
05:03 Actually in the book the first Book of the Bible
05:06 into 31st Chapter of the Bible, you have sex.
05:09 And not many people realize it
05:11 because the Bible doesn't actually have the word sex.
05:15 This is Genesis Chapter 1. Yep.
05:17 Verse 27 and 28.
05:20 And we encourage our viewers
05:21 to make sure they have their Bibles,
05:23 so they can follow along with us.
05:24 Yes, I'm reading from the New King James,
05:26 you can read from any translation
05:27 that is easy for you to understand.
05:30 Genesis 1:27 and 28 reads"
05:34 So God created men and that's generic
05:36 that's like saying humanity, right.
05:38 Our God created humanity in his own image
05:41 and the image of God he created humans
05:44 males and females.
05:47 So the first way that The Bible addresses sexuality
05:51 is not as a verb, because most of us think
05:53 as sex as something we do-- Do in action.
05:55 But the Bible actually presents sex
05:57 as something we are and is part of our humanity.
06:01 Or the identity. Yes.
06:02 And it's not something that is separate off
06:04 I mean sexuality embraces everything
06:06 from your anatomy to your neurotomy,
06:09 to your emotions, the way God created us
06:12 is there is a distinct, there's obviously
06:15 there is no superior inferior,
06:17 but there is a distinct difference
06:19 between a man and a woman.
06:21 And that those differences are also manifested sexually.
06:25 And it is not just like we are all cookie cut,
06:28 you know, all of us are men,
06:29 all of us are women, even within masculinity
06:32 you have diversity and you have your own personality,
06:35 but your personality is intimately tied
06:37 with your sexuality. Wow.
06:39 So it seems like from hearing your explanation,
06:42 it seems like sexuality is a lot more profound
06:45 than we usually think.
06:47 It's a lot more broad profound deep,
06:49 I mean it's we don't typically think of sex
06:52 outside of the bedroom, or other rooms
06:54 where you have sex. Right.
06:55 But we're gonna be generic just the bedroom. Right.
06:58 We don't think about sex as something
07:00 that defies me in the society.
07:04 As a father that is, that is a sexual role
07:06 as a mother has a sexual role.
07:08 A father can never be a mother.
07:10 Those are separate sexual roles
07:11 and so sexuality embraces
07:14 every aspect of life as humans.
07:16 So then sexuality is an integral part of existence.
07:21 Not only because of procreation
07:22 but even because of the gender distinctions
07:25 and their roles in the upbringing
07:27 of the next generations what you are saying.
07:29 Yes. Wow, fascinating.
07:31 There's more actually,
07:33 the very next verse, verse 28.
07:37 This where I was telling the audience
07:38 and you guys that the Bible mentions sex
07:40 for the first time it's in verse-28
07:43 and it's hidden and I'm gonna see if you guys can pick up
07:45 which word in this verse actually refers to sex.
07:48 Verse-28 says "Then God blessed them
07:51 and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply,
07:54 fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion
07:56 over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air
07:58 and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
08:01 Where did you guys see sex? Be fruitful.
08:04 Yeah, And multiply. Be fruitful and multiply.
08:06 God was not talking about trigonometry or calculus,
08:08 He was talking about, amen, sex.
08:11 And its interesting to me that he says
08:13 to uses the word multiply, you know,
08:14 because you have addition 1+1+2+3
08:18 with multiplication is you go up a lot faster in number.
08:21 Right, exponentially different.
08:22 Exponentially, so He's not even saying
08:26 you should be on a diet.
08:28 You know, sex is not something
08:29 to be like nibbling at, enjoy it.
08:31 I have designed sex to be the combination
08:35 of the expression of my image in you
08:39 and when God makes men in verse-27
08:42 He uses this word right before every,
08:44 before He's gonna do something, He says
08:46 let us make men in our image.
08:49 Let us make men. God by nature is social.
08:54 Wait a second, so you're saying that
08:56 I mean in our culture we tend to
08:59 like hide these things, you know.
09:01 Sex is something that we do behind closed doors. Yeah.
09:03 If it happens like it's hush-hush,
09:06 you know, don't tell anybody.
09:08 But what you're saying is like,
09:10 you know, enjoy it, multiply, have added.
09:14 This is like, this is like different than what,
09:16 you know, we heard before with the church.
09:18 Yeah, and like I said, is the church to fault
09:21 to a great degree to the great ignorance
09:22 and may be misunderstanding.
09:24 May be sometimes ignorance is better than misunderstanding.
09:26 Right, right.
09:27 But when I was Bible working in Ohio,
09:30 I'll have these young kid's
09:31 ask me question's about sexuality.
09:33 And I would begin to share the positiveness of it
09:36 and that actually you would want to include
09:38 God in the equation.
09:40 It was almost offensive for them to think that
09:43 in my nuptial bed,
09:45 I would pray before having sex.
09:48 You know, it's like Lord take the angels
09:49 out of this room, because we are going to be naked
09:52 as if God did not know that part of us. Right.
09:55 And what the Bible does is, it brings us back
09:57 to the originality the origins of who we are
10:02 and saying sex that was not something that God did
10:05 and then was like I'm embarrassed of doing that
10:07 and because we are created in His image,
10:09 we should not be embarrassed or ashamed of our sexuality.
10:13 Now Ariel, do you think
10:15 because you mentioned the church,
10:16 I'm thinking even a little deeper. okay.
10:19 Do you think not only the church,
10:21 but do you think the home has been maybe
10:24 one of the reasons why sexuality is something
10:27 like is like a taboo or something like oooh.
10:30 it almost causes people to blush.
10:33 Your parents say if you like sex.
10:35 You know, my parents-- well my parents,
10:37 because I grew up with a single mother.
10:38 My mother was actually very, very open talking to us
10:42 about sexuality which is a good thing of course,
10:45 but it lack the biblical conviction,
10:48 because she didn't grow up in a Christian home though.
10:50 This is interesting Daniel let me ask you this question,
10:51 I hope its not too personal, was she a Christian. No.
10:54 See for me this is almost like a parent
10:56 that I'm realizing that the more I interact
10:58 with people and ask this question,
11:00 more Christian parents are more likely to not talk
11:03 to their kids about sexuality,
11:05 where as more secular minded
11:07 or non spiritual minded parents
11:09 are more likely to do it. Interesting.
11:10 It is an interesting pattern that I'm seeing that
11:13 they know what the world is like.
11:15 They've been there and so they are realizing,
11:17 I don't want my kid to be uninformed,
11:20 so I will give them a heads up. Right.
11:22 And I think in Christianity
11:23 because we don't go to the Bible,
11:25 we don't see these principles clearly outlined.
11:27 And I would tell parents
11:29 when I have done these seminars in other places
11:31 Genesis Chapter 2 will never come after Chapter 3.
11:35 And the point is they are still there.
11:36 What does it mean to our viewers, what does it mean?
11:38 Genesis Chapter 2 is pre sin,
11:40 Genesis Chapter 3 is post sin. Okay.
11:43 God actually in Genesis Chapter 2 verse 18
11:48 actually that's when he got mates, verse 16.
11:54 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,
11:56 Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat,
11:59 But of the tree of the knowledge
12:01 of good and evil,
12:03 you shall not eat of it, for in the day that you eat it
12:05 what's gonna happen? You shall surely die.
12:07 Is he given the information about something that is good
12:10 or about something that is evil.
12:14 You're gonna die if you eat this.
12:15 Is that information about something that is good.
12:17 That doesn't sound too good.
12:18 This is not, that is pretty evil.
12:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the ultimate. Right.
12:22 So this is the principle, God doesn't wait for Adam and Eve
12:25 to be in front of the tree
12:27 to then say or for them to have eaten
12:30 and say oh i'm going to tell you about that by the way.
12:32 Of the tree they ate already, oh, I am so sorry. Okay.
12:35 God actually gets ahead and says,
12:39 this is something that's going to hurt you.
12:42 He gave them the knowledge.
12:44 Yes. Before they--
12:46 He prevented, He wanted to prevent. Got it.
12:48 And parents don't understand
12:50 that God does not hold this belief.
12:52 And I think this is the subtle belief
12:53 that has crept into many of our Christian parents,
12:56 they're well intentioned.
12:57 My parents have the same philosophical view.
13:00 They equate innocence with ignorance. Okay.
13:05 And they are not compatible.
13:07 Actually Genesis Chapter 2 and 3 would let us know that
13:10 had God kept them ignorant of this.
13:12 It would have been his fault and sin would have happened,
13:16 because God never want them. Right.
13:18 So for parents to think that
13:20 in order to keep their children innocence
13:22 innocent they need to keep them ignorant.
13:25 They are not following the Genesis 2 and 3
13:27 principle where you need to get ahead of the world.
13:30 Let me ask you a question in Genesis 2,
13:32 we see that God warned them not to eat of the fruit.
13:35 But then in Chapter 3, Satan comes and says,
13:38 God knows that if you eat this your eyes will be opened
13:41 and you will know good and evil. Yes.
13:43 So what is the difference of the knowledge
13:45 that they get between the two chapters.
13:47 That is a very good question and if you read that
13:49 in later on in Chapter 3
13:50 you see that even God knows good and evil.
13:52 You can know what is good and evil,
13:54 but always choose the good.
13:57 And you can know they could had known that
14:00 this tree is evil and choose not to partake of it.
14:03 So now the evil objectively, not subjectively
14:07 in other words not experientially.
14:08 That's right, theologian over here.
14:11 Its been a while since I've seen each of you.
14:13 I'm going well, I'm actually Brother-- I am impressed.
14:15 So Ariel, you are talking about this
14:17 and you mentioned, we got to reading
14:20 and you mentioned all these things you know.
14:22 Do you think that the whole subject of pleasure
14:29 may have some thing to, may have something to do with
14:33 the fact that maybe young people feel
14:36 like sexuality is something that they can't openly speak
14:39 to their parents, because you mentioned the church
14:42 and we mentioned the home, and we're just kind of
14:43 getting to the root of the issue.
14:44 But it seems as if young people,
14:47 young adults have the notion that
14:51 if it has pleasure, it's wrong.
14:55 Again that is that's just Greek philosophy
14:59 that have crept into Christianity.
15:01 And its not just a phenomenon that manifested itself
15:04 in the Medieval Church, Protestant Churches
15:06 also have many of those vestiges.
15:08 We need to as Christians, I think be responsible
15:11 and say, I need to address my faith,
15:15 my faith group and evaluate where they are getting
15:18 some of these misconceptions from?
15:21 And the vast majority of them, at least the ones
15:23 that I've found have origins with Greek philosophy. Okay.
15:26 And so for me, I'm not saying that
15:29 it is evil, but its different
15:31 than the biblical word view. Sure.
15:33 And they have some good things in it.
15:34 But I need to compare everything
15:36 and go with what the Bible teaches me,
15:38 because we've already seen in the first two chapters,
15:40 it kind of undoes pretty much everything
15:42 that Greek philosophy has done
15:43 for centuries with division churches.
15:45 So in other words not everything,
15:48 in other words God is not anti pleasure.
15:51 Actually, let's turn to Psalms Chapter 16.
15:54 Psalms Chapter 16.
15:58 A friend of mine, I mean Chester,
16:00 shared this, I youth for Jesus,
16:03 and I was at that time.
16:04 This topic has been--
16:05 I've been developing it more and more in.
16:07 Every time I prepare even to come here is new insight
16:10 and, you know, the word of God is so,
16:11 so God wants us to really be educated in this
16:13 Psalms Chapter 16 verse 11
16:16 Daniel would you like to read it? sure.
16:18 "You will show me the path of life,
16:20 in your presence is fullness of joy,
16:22 at your right hand there are pleasures for ever more."
16:26 So how would you think that this passage
16:29 will answer young person that feels that
16:31 God does not want us to have pleasure
16:33 in our lives. All right.
16:34 And it's not only pleasure
16:35 but it's pleasures for ever more.
16:37 That's right and there is a kind of a pleasure
16:41 that God gives and the qualifier
16:44 is that its eternal, it's not ending it's always fresh.
16:48 If you go to the Book of the Hebrews,
16:49 don't loose your placing. So I finger in Psalm 16.
16:53 Turn to the Book of Hebrews Chapter 11.
16:56 Hebrews in New Testament.
17:00 Chapter 11 verses 24 and 25.
17:04 Jay, would you like to take this verse.
17:05 Actually I would love to because Hebrews
17:07 is my favorite book in the New Testament.
17:09 So Hebrews Chapter 11, 24 and 25. Yes.
17:12 "It says by faith Moses when he became of age refuse
17:15 to be called the son of pharaoh's daughter
17:17 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people
17:21 of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin.
17:26 Excellent. Temporal, temporal, temporary.
17:28 See at this verse for me the more I read the Bible,
17:31 I used to think the Bible was for boring old people.
17:35 They have nothing to do but sit on a pull chair and swing.
17:37 I can resonate with that, okay.
17:39 But I never realized how real the Bible is,
17:42 because I felt that the church was trying to
17:44 convince me that sin had no pleasure,
17:47 but the more I would nibble at the world,
17:49 I'm like man this felt good.
17:51 What are they talking they are lying to me,
17:53 but the Bible does not lie to the reader.
17:55 And this passage it says,
17:56 that sin has pleasure, but it is a different kind of
17:59 pleasure than the ones God has for us.
18:01 The ones that God has for us are eternal,
18:04 non ending, non fading, they don't get old.
18:07 But the pleasures of the world,
18:09 there's a time of novelty.
18:11 There's a time we're wow, this is exciting,
18:13 but then gradually it fades away.
18:15 Wow, so then really pleasure in the world is--
18:20 In other words you'll find pleasure in the world.
18:22 And you will find pleasure with God,
18:23 the difference then is that the pleasure
18:25 with God is a perpetual pleasure. Yes.
18:28 That only gets better and better and better.
18:30 It's interesting because I am no Hebrew scholar
18:33 by any means, but in the original language actually,
18:36 the Garden of Eden, which of course
18:38 was the dwelling place, the habitation that God had
18:40 for Adam and Eve, prior to the entrance of sin.
18:44 Eden in the original Hebrew actually means pleasure.
18:46 Wow, I might have to write it down, Jay.
18:48 So, the Garden of Eden, is essentially
18:50 is the garden of pleasure. Pleassure.
18:52 And I think the interesting thing here
18:54 as Dan was mentioning is that
18:56 somehow in Genesis 3 when the serpent spoke to the woman.
19:00 It almost appeared as the serpent was trying to
19:02 let the woman know that she-She is missing something.
19:06 For God knows that if you ate of it.
19:08 That you will be as gods.
19:10 Now to get in other words
19:11 if you only tasted this kind of pleasure,
19:15 you would experience
19:17 the zenith of existence or whatever.
19:18 It's not even that she is just missing out,
19:20 but God is withholding it. Yeah, right.
19:22 And do you know, that's the irony the sad paradox
19:25 of modern Christianity that Christianity
19:28 is actually speaking on behalf of the serpent
19:30 by saying those very words when it comes to sexuality.
19:34 When I used to first started doing Bible work
19:36 and kids would ask me, I'm living with my girlfriend
19:39 or whatever those kind of things were very common.
19:42 I was--I lacked experience, and God by His grace
19:45 would make up for those mistakes that I've made,
19:47 I'm not--I'm still not perfect, you know,
19:48 my little girl is showing on a daily basis.
19:52 But I will go kind of just to say kind of like a jugular
19:54 and right away say no brother, you are sinning,
19:57 you got to stop that. Right.
19:59 Now there is pleasure in sin. Yeah.
20:01 And for me to have gone and said that to him
20:04 basically I'm telling him, God thus saith the Lord,
20:08 thou needed to suffer by withholding pleasure.
20:11 What I would have said to him is your pleasure is good,
20:16 but the pleasure God has for you is best,
20:19 which one would you want.
20:21 And invite him to begin a journey with God,
20:24 because I realize that
20:25 many times we just tell people what to do.
20:27 I was told what to do was thou never
20:29 intelligent reason behind it.
20:31 And if there is a book
20:32 that speaks to our intelligence
20:34 to our reason is the word of God. Amen.
20:36 So for me I began to say Lord,
20:39 I would tell Him, you got to stop having sex
20:41 with his girlfriend and guess what will happen
20:42 with their Bible studies.
20:46 I need to cancel with you my girl friend got mad at me,
20:49 so that's the end of the Bible studies.
20:51 And I will realize Lord, what went wrong.
20:55 I told him truth, but you know,
20:57 you know, he doesn't want to study anymore.
20:59 And I realized, I need to examine my own journey
21:03 with the Lord, right, regarding sexuality. Right.
21:06 God did not tell me stop.
21:08 God said, I have something better for you. Right.
21:10 Like the woman at the well have water that
21:11 you will never thirst from again. Right.
21:14 Now, Ariel, maybe there is a young person watching
21:17 this program, maybe there is a young person
21:18 thinking wow, what's wrong with being involved
21:23 in intimate relations with somebody that's not,
21:28 that I'm not married to after all
21:30 God is about pleasure and obviously sexuality
21:33 at least we've learned now that is a good thing,
21:36 so what's wrong.
21:38 In your pastoral experience,
21:40 what have you seen as may be negative results
21:44 of young people that indulge in this.
21:46 Its harder at first maybe to express it to them
21:49 but if you take them to the word of God,
21:51 the word of God has a powerful way to speak
21:54 to our conscience, the part of us that is sensitive.
21:57 And the passages that I will share with them will be
22:00 Genesis Chapter 2 verse 7. Back to Genesis.
22:03 I love this is my favorite book in the Bible,
22:05 yours is Hebrew, mine is Genesis.
22:06 Well, actually my Old Testament
22:07 favorite is Isaiah, but my New Testament is Hebrews.
22:10 Which Chapter in Genesis? Genesis Chapter 2. Genesis 2.
22:14 Verse 7 "And the Lord God formed man
22:18 out of the dust of the ground,
22:21 and breathed into his nostrils the spirit of life,
22:24 breath of life and man became a living soul".
22:29 This passage is highly loaded
22:32 but the basic thrust of this is there is an aspect
22:35 of our that is physical.
22:37 But then God also made us in to be emotional,
22:41 intellectual and spiritual.
22:44 These four main components to every human being.
22:47 And the way we look at sexuality is guess which one,
22:49 you have physical, emotional,
22:50 mental and spiritual, guess which one
22:53 we always associate it with. This one physical.
22:56 So that's a fourth
22:57 of what we could be experiencing sexually. Wow.
23:00 And I share with them, you know,
23:03 begin to answer these questions besides,
23:05 you know, being very creative and very, very proficient
23:09 in your sexual, you know act,
23:12 what else do you guys share in common.
23:14 Do you guys talk to each other from their heart?
23:16 Do you know her? Do you k now her fears?
23:18 Do you know his past?
23:20 Do you know the things
23:21 that cause him hurt, his insecurities?
23:23 You know, what the answer was?
23:25 No, especially from the men.
23:28 They had a hard time
23:29 expressing things from within them.
23:31 So their relationship was always getting half half shot
23:33 and it would end.
23:35 It was physical, physical, and then its out.
23:37 They didn't have that emotional connection.
23:38 It would fizzle out. Wow.
23:40 And eventually he would break up,
23:42 she would break up and they go on find someone else.
23:43 This is the one, this is the one,
23:45 so I'd encourage them and say, let this one be the one
23:48 by adding the other three components. Amen.
23:51 And I wouldn't start with the mental or the emotional,
23:54 I would start with spiritual, spiritual.
23:56 And what happens to the person
23:58 who just engages in the physical act
24:00 person to person, lives a promiscuous lifestyle.
24:04 What is that person doing to himself?
24:07 Well, like we have just said they are robbing
24:09 of themselves of 75% of their humanity.
24:13 That's where the word of God would appeal
24:15 to them and say, you are selling yourself short.
24:17 Yes, if he was good undeniable,
24:19 I mean just as good as, you know, you take sometimes
24:22 with drugs or alcohol or things like that.
24:24 There is that element of pleasure
24:25 that Bible will not deny it, but the Bible will seek
24:28 to encourage or to say consider it though,
24:31 what if there was something better than
24:33 what you have right now.
24:35 And many people think, there is nothing better than sex.
24:38 But sex at a level where there is spiritual,
24:41 emotional, mental and physical
24:47 compatibility component,
24:48 when those four combine, there is a level of the unity
24:51 that carries people for their entire life. Wow.
24:55 Before I was a minister I was a nurse
24:56 and I worked at a nursing home.
24:58 And in all the nursing homes that I had you have
25:00 married couples and they were given this special sign
25:04 that they will put on their door,
25:05 you know what that sign said "Do not disturb"
25:10 you know why?
25:11 It's not because they were in the bathroom.
25:13 Do you have an idea, why?
25:14 And these were 60 years old. Wow.
25:17 And most people think that sex fades out around 30 or 40
25:20 or when you get married or when you have kids.
25:23 But when you put God's presence
25:25 into your relationship, you'll read from Psalm 16:11.
25:29 The pleasures including the pleasure from sex
25:31 with his partner increases. Wow.
25:35 The sexual pleasure in the world
25:37 because it's lack in these three other components
25:40 that pleasure decreases,
25:43 it begins to become more and more impoverish,
25:45 more and more limited.
25:46 So you are saying that bond grows stronger. Yes
25:50 By not, you know, living the promiscuous lifestyle.Yes.
25:54 We only have a few seconds, because we only have
25:56 a few minutes left.
25:57 What counsel would you give to young person
26:00 that maybe finds himself
26:01 kind of in a complex situation with intimacy?
26:05 Where would you counsel them to look for help?
26:07 What is that may be one or two points that you could give me
26:09 in a few seconds that we have,
26:10 in only 20 seconds.
26:11 I would pretty much ask them to pray
26:13 because God is awakening you.
26:15 The fact, the very fact that you are having
26:17 those sentiments is evidence that God is speaking
26:18 to your heart. Amen.
26:20 So if he is speaking to your heart,
26:21 he's already has an answer to your desire to have
26:24 someone guide you, pray for eyes and ears
26:26 to recognize that and be active, go to a church,
26:29 that's kind of like a safe place to go in,
26:31 talk to a pastor. Proactive.
26:34 I want to say any age
26:36 because you have elderly pastors
26:37 and may have wisdom and will he able to relate
26:39 to young people and but find a pastor
26:41 that you can speak to and you can feel comfortable with
26:44 and be transparent.
26:46 Even if there is an older pastor you make him
26:49 a little uncomfortable.
26:51 Right after those tough questions.
26:52 Sometimes I was younger and the questions I got
26:54 you know about oral sex and all these things
26:55 I was like, well, this, where is that I can quote it.
27:03 You mean if you're uncomfortable
27:05 but you confront him, why you are uncomfortable
27:06 about talking about this. Right.
27:08 And the more comfortable I have felt
27:11 the more credibility I had with the young people.
27:13 So find someone that is comfortable
27:15 talking to you about this probably someone
27:16 with the family, someone that has some experiences
27:19 in life and look at their marriage.
27:23 Is he happy, is he happy with his wife
27:25 or if it is the wife if you are a young lady
27:27 preferably I would highly recommend
27:28 talking to a female not a male.
27:31 Well, it's obviously Ariel, that being a father
27:33 and a husband have really given you a lot of insights
27:36 and lot of wisdom into the subject.
27:38 So we just really want to thank you
27:39 for coming into our show and for blessing us
27:42 for all these things. My Blessings onto my pleasure.
27:44 And I wanted to just speak to the audience
27:47 that's watching that two things.
27:49 Number one, if you've gone everything
27:51 that we've mentioned, number one, there is help,
27:53 you can find help.
27:55 And number two, that the word of God answers
27:58 to the deepest questions of life.
28:00 God bless you.


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