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00:01 Welcome to "For Guys Only,"
00:02 a program that deals with topics 00:04 specifically geared for the urban man. 00:07 I'm Pastor William Lee, 00:08 and I'm so thankful that you joined us 00:10 for another broadcast today. 00:11 Listen, today our topic is very interesting. 00:14 It is violence in the family. 00:17 I invite you right now to join us 00:18 as we go into our broadcast. 00:37 Gentlemen, once again, 00:38 I want to welcome you to another broadcast on today. 00:41 Listen, today, we want to kind of get 00:42 right into our discussion. 00:45 It's good to see you, Brandon. 00:47 You've been a blessing throughout our broadcast 00:49 as well as Colin, we're grateful for the insight 00:53 that you're bringing, as well as Muta as well, 00:56 the key issues that you're pointing out as well. 00:59 Let's kind of deal, you know, 01:01 today with family violence 01:05 as we have a word of prayer, first and foremost. 01:07 Let's pray. 01:08 Father, God, we thank You for the protection 01:11 and for the guidance that You give. 01:12 I pray Father now 01:14 for Your Holy Spirit to speak to us 01:16 and speak to the viewer even now is my prayer, 01:18 in Jesus' name, amen. 01:21 Violence in the family. 01:23 This is a subject that oftentimes 01:26 is not discussed. 01:29 There is a slogan that 01:31 that's been promulgated so long that says 01:33 what goes on in the house stays in the house. 01:38 But there are some real issues that we need to discuss today 01:41 as it relates to violence in the family. 01:43 Dr. King, you've kind of given us 01:45 the historical perspective 01:46 as it relates to some topics in the past. 01:49 Can you just bring it to us again? 01:51 Right, sure. 01:52 It is a known fact 01:53 that physical violence against women 01:57 occur more often than car accidents, 02:00 muggings, and rapes combined. 02:03 Consider this, annually in this country, 02:06 more than 17,500 women 02:10 are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. 02:16 Sexual assaults, every year, 02:18 the average is 427 women 02:22 who are sexually assaulted by 815. 02:26 Wow. 02:28 Pretty staggering information. 02:31 It doesn't only happen outside of the church. 02:36 It also happens in our church. 02:38 In one of the recent surveys at one of our churches, 02:42 30% of the women reported 02:45 being abused in one form or the other. 02:49 Now nationally, 02:52 6 out of every 10 girls 02:56 are sexually abused. 02:58 And 4 out of every 10 boys are sexually abused. 03:03 That's so widespread the issue of violence 03:06 and abuse is in our church. 03:08 Wow. 03:09 I mean, those digits are staggering. 03:11 To consider that I mean, 03:12 4 out of 10, 6 out of 10, I mean, 03:14 that's, unbelievable. 03:16 That's why we want to talk about this today 03:18 because we want to kind of remove the curtain back 03:21 and to be able to understand that 03:23 God has certain parameters for us to operate in. 03:27 I think one of the things that we see a lot of times 03:29 is that the man in the home, 03:32 you know, because he's working hard, 03:34 because he's taking care of his family. 03:36 There are some things that are just expected of him. 03:39 But then he has that heavy burden 03:41 that he's carrying. 03:42 And sometimes there is abuse 03:45 that's done by men in the home. 03:48 Sometimes it's not always physical, 03:50 but it can be verbal. 03:52 Verbal abuse that's happening right now. 03:54 What's been your perspective, anyone of you all, 03:58 as relates to the verbal side of abuse? 04:03 You know, before we go that 04:04 if you'll tolerate me, 04:06 I need to hear one of your statistics again. 04:10 And I think it was 427... 04:13 Thousand. What was that again? 04:16 Women who are sexually assaulted 04:19 by age 15. 04:20 Okay, so the number is 427,000? 04:22 Mm-hm. Okay. 04:24 And the reason why I had to go back is 04:26 'cause the first time I thought I just heard 427, 04:29 this is just a whole different deal 04:32 and the numbers of this proportion 04:34 is just staggering. 04:36 And the problem is widespread. 04:41 And it is oftentimes, 04:44 instances of abuse go unreported, 04:47 either because of a fear of repercussion 04:50 because typically, 04:52 when instances are reported, 04:55 there is this threat of retaliation 04:59 and quite often, 05:00 there's a long process that is involved 05:03 in terms of taking out 05:04 a restraining order against someone, 05:06 you actually have to prove that your life is at risk. 05:10 However, before you get to that point, 05:12 more than likely 05:13 you would have been verbally abused, 05:16 you would have been shoved around, 05:17 you would have been physically abused 05:19 before the person typically reaches out for help. 05:24 So let's kind of go back then, 05:26 let's go back to the verbal abuse 05:28 that happens in our homes, you know, 05:31 what causes so much of the violence. 05:34 We hear the statistics, they're happening right now. 05:35 But what are some of the main, 05:37 what's leading up to it that 05:39 they're actually being reported 05:40 and things have been done about? 05:42 You know, verbal abuse can be very, very subtle, 05:45 and quite often, it starts in a very subtle way, 05:47 you know, "You're no good, 05:50 you know, you're too fat, you know, you're ugly, 05:54 you know, you don't please me anymore, 05:56 you are dumb," and so on, and so forth. 05:59 And once that gets started, it takes on a different tone, 06:03 and the intensity tends to increase over time. 06:08 And then it becomes more pointed 06:11 and then they're not so subtle threats now 06:16 that are involved in the abuse, you know, 06:20 "Why did I marry you, you know, 06:22 I wish I didn't, get out of my house," 06:25 and it takes it up to a notch. 06:27 And once that continues, quite often, 06:30 it leads to physical aggression against women. 06:33 Okay. Okay. 06:34 But I do want to say that men, 06:38 some men are also abused by women, 06:41 it's not a one-way street. 06:42 This by all means is a two-way street. 06:46 So we've got kind of, you know, 06:47 discuss the verbal side of it 06:49 and what kind of leads up to it. 06:52 The other thing is that it happens in the church. 06:56 And let's just be frank, we've seen instances, 07:00 we've even seen it or we have heard 07:03 incidents of abuse in the church. 07:07 And so many times, you know, in the church, whatever church, 07:11 you know, a lot of people turn, you know, a death eye, 07:14 you know, "Didn't know, 07:15 I don't want to I don't want to talk about 07:16 I don't want to deal with it." 07:18 What do we do as relates to you know, the church? 07:21 You know, should we speak out? 07:23 Should the church have a voice as relates to abuse in the home 07:29 with his with children or are with women? 07:32 Well, I'm going to make some comments 07:36 which could be misconstrued 07:38 or could be misinterpreted to be frightening 07:42 but are true. 07:44 Our church structure is set up in such a way that 07:47 it could be a breeding ground for abuse. 07:52 You know, we have very strict rules. 07:56 We believe in secrecy. 08:00 You know, we, we keep it in a church, 08:02 you know, we are God's people, 08:03 we should be the head, another tail. 08:07 And I know if I have an office in the church, 08:10 and something bad happens, 08:12 then that office is going to be taken away from me 08:14 and want to be disciplined. 08:16 So because of that, I am very careful 08:20 to disguise the instances of abuse, 08:23 so it's a perfect breeding ground for abuse. 08:25 Wow. Wow. 08:27 Muta, you know, again, we look to you sometimes 08:31 because, you know, you work with children. 08:34 And in an urban setting, you know, 08:36 you're prone to come across a child that 08:39 that has been abused 08:40 or you may suspect that they've been abused. 08:44 What's kind of been your experience, 08:46 if you've experienced anything of that sense 08:48 or have you been able to sense 08:49 even that there's been abuse 08:51 in especially with young children 08:53 in the home with a Christian or non-Christian? 08:57 Well, yes, with both. 09:00 And I work with ages 14-18 09:05 and you can see the effects of that abuse. 09:09 A lot of times, I mean, you can go into any mall 09:12 right now in an urban area, 09:14 and you see some little three-year-old tagging along 09:16 and maybe she or he's not walking fast enough 09:19 and mom is, you know, yelling to come on. 09:24 And the baby may be tired, maybe sleepy, 09:27 but the mother or the father will not pick that child up. 09:30 But they're talking about how slow they are 09:32 and there's some words 09:33 that I wouldn't even say on the program, 09:35 but that they're saying to these young people, 09:38 I mean to these kids, 09:39 and this is having an effect on them as they grow. 09:43 So now they start perpetuating 09:46 some of these things 09:48 that have been put in their head. 09:51 They start coming alive. 09:52 I mean, I heard a young lady say about her daughter 09:56 and the young lady was about 16 years old 09:58 and she said, 09:59 "Oh, my daughter is fast already." 10:01 Hmm. 10:03 Why would you say that about your daughter? 10:04 So if you keep telling your daughter, 10:05 she's fast, and she's two years old, 10:07 and you tell her that until she's 10, 10:08 what do you think she's going to be? 10:10 Or, "My child is not smart. 10:13 He's just not getting it. 10:14 He's just not getting it." 10:16 What do you think is going to happen? 10:18 That kid is 16 years old and he fails a test, 10:20 "I'm just not getting it." 10:22 So this happens in and out of the church. 10:25 And one way to I think, I believe you asked about 10:30 what can we do as church, 10:32 it's community, the church is supposed to be a community. 10:36 And if I'm in community with you, 10:39 I'll feel more comfortable to come and address an issue 10:43 that I see, a lot of times, 10:45 we lack, some of us lack that community, 10:48 because we just want to keep our problems to ourselves, 10:50 we don't want anybody know what's really going on with us. 10:53 And so now it puts me in a situation 10:57 where I can't easily get help or help somebody else. 11:01 Okay. Okay. 11:03 You know, what I hear is that fundamentally 11:08 there's anger there, there's some type of anger, 11:11 which eventually manifests itself in, 11:14 excuse me, in someone's life, 11:15 you know, in a negative display that's deep seated inside. 11:22 So I think that at some point, 11:23 we got to really talk about the anger 11:26 that's there and seek professional help 11:29 to deal with some of those things. 11:31 Yes, my dad, he was good for good sayings. 11:35 And one that he laid on us pretty young 11:39 and it stuck with me to this day is, 11:42 "Cursing or verbal abuse is a weak mind's 11:46 way of expressing itself strongly." 11:49 And what young boy wants to be classified as weak. 11:54 So there was choice words in there 11:57 that stick with me to this day because even today, 12:00 I don't want to be weak. 12:02 So when I feel myself getting to some place, 12:06 where if I cross this line, 12:08 it's simply a weak man trying to be strong. 12:12 Just that kind of pushes me back. 12:15 I mean, I know it's the Holy Ghost, 12:17 Holy Ghost bringing back to my mind, 12:19 those things that He taught me through my father, 12:22 but I just wanted to throw that out and hopefully, 12:24 it'll help somebody when they reach that edge 12:27 to maybe reflect and decide to take a better path. 12:30 Okay. Yeah. 12:31 You had mentioned about the hurt that's there. 12:36 One of my favorite pastors said, 12:40 the times where our children make us mad the most 12:44 is when they're behaving just like us. 12:48 So a lot of times, 12:49 the weakness that we're seeing in our child, 12:52 the inability to accomplish certain things 12:55 that we're seeing in our child, 12:57 when we're yelling at them or we're seeing these things, 13:00 we're actually saying those things to ourselves. 13:03 Absolutely. You know, words are powerful. 13:07 There's a saying that says, you know, 13:08 "Sticks and stones may break my bones, 13:10 but words will never hurt me." 13:13 That's the biggest lie as far as ever been told. 13:17 You know, words hurt, 13:18 I tell people sometimes I rather be, 13:19 you know, beat upside to head, you know, with a bat, 13:22 knock my legs out like I'll fall 13:23 and then eventually I'll heal, 13:25 you know, from that pain, but, you know, 13:27 words that we say sometimes those things carry, 13:30 you know, for years and years and years, and we struggle, 13:34 men struggle with words 13:36 that have been used against them 13:38 or that they have used against someone else, 13:40 sometimes to control the other person as well. 13:44 You know, there's also this whole issue 13:46 of the type of music 13:49 that is available today that sort of gives license 13:53 to guys to beat up on women, 13:56 the lyrics, the suggestions, the devaluing of women, 14:01 the sexualizing of women, 14:04 and, you know, some of the songs 14:06 they're so inappropriate, 14:09 you can't even repeat the words on this show. 14:11 And those are some of the songs 14:13 that the young boys are listening to constantly. 14:16 And so it is not surprising that in a fit of rage, 14:20 they tend to act out. 14:22 That's powerful right there, the music that people 14:25 are listening to and all the rest 14:27 that that we're seeing today as well. 14:29 What about, you know, that the man that has... 14:34 You know I'll say it this way, I already know the answer, 14:37 but just for discussion purposes, 14:38 let's just say it this way. 14:39 Is it ever justified for a man 14:45 to put his hands on a woman? 14:47 Is there a time to justify, you know... 14:52 Guess I'll just throw it out right there, 14:54 you know, I don't want to go too far away. 14:55 Is there a time? 14:56 Men come up with reasons 14:58 why they think it is justifiable. 15:01 You know, "She made me do this 15:04 or she made me mad or she stepped over the line." 15:08 And one of the reasons why, 15:12 as men, we have to say that is 15:13 because we cannot look at ourselves 15:16 and accept the fact 15:19 that we are committing acts of violence. 15:22 And so because we cannot come to grips with that, 15:25 we've got to find an excuse, we've got to find a scapegoat. 15:29 And that act is terrible, therefore, 15:32 it's not me who's doing that, 15:34 it's this person who is making me do that. 15:37 But to answer your question, 15:38 there is absolutely no excuse 15:41 to put our hands on any woman 15:44 or any girl, on any child even. 15:48 Even if they were, I mean all in my face, 15:53 you know, you know, pushing me and saying, 15:56 "You're no good. 15:57 You know, you're just like, you know, someone else." 16:01 And, you know, this really happens 16:04 especially in the urban community 16:05 that behind closed doors, 16:07 I mean, there are fisticuffs that are there going on. 16:11 I think there might be some very rare exceptions. 16:17 And that, you know, you probably will agree. 16:22 Well, let's get into it. 16:23 Yeah, I think you will agree in these cases 16:26 because I think I understand the context 16:27 with which you gave your answer. 16:29 If you see a woman 16:32 and she is in the act of physically abusing a child, 16:36 and you intervene, you restrain, 16:40 you don't hit her or anything, 16:42 but you try to try to hold her back 16:44 from the child, 16:45 you're putting your hands on her in a forceful way. 16:50 But you are trying to achieve some higher good 16:53 and I'm not going to turn this into justifying means. 16:57 But I think sometimes 16:58 we find ourselves in situations like where you say, 17:01 the girl or the woman's coming at you 17:03 with a knife and your back is against the wall, 17:05 you need to do you need to try to find that hard 17:07 and restrain, but if there's... 17:12 Even in those situations, if there is a way of escape, 17:15 it's better to escape than to even try to restrain 17:18 in those situations. 17:20 So I think there's some rare situations. 17:21 And the other point I want to clarify 17:23 is when we say a child, I'm assuming 17:27 that's out of the context of punishing a child 17:30 for wrong behavior. 17:31 Sure. Your child, yes. 17:35 And the Bible is clear that, you know... 17:37 Absolutely. Absolutely. 17:39 So there's definitely a guy gives us those parameters 17:41 where we're able to discipline our children for sure. 17:45 Absolutely. Can you agree with me on... 17:47 You know what, you are on that. 17:48 You are absolutely right. 17:50 There is a difference between defensive action 17:55 and aggressive action. 17:57 So if a woman is coming at you with a knife 18:01 or with an object or at a child, 18:03 then you are justified in taking defensive action. 18:07 I don't mean pummel the person or hitting them 18:11 but certainly taking defensive action 18:13 and getting out of the way. 18:15 Quite often, men are ashamed to report abuse by women 18:20 because then who will believe you? 18:22 Right. Right. So that was... 18:24 Well, there's eagle too because I did read that article 18:27 about that where it said, 18:29 you know, we think that this issue is a lot larger 18:34 in terms of men being abused, 18:36 but the fact is is because of their ego, 18:38 they don't make the report. 18:40 Absolutely. 18:41 So I mean, that's important for us to understand, you know, 18:45 as men that sometimes the woman does beat the man up, 18:49 you know, and the man must seek proper help as well. 18:53 Let's kind of talk about prevention a little bit, 18:55 there has to be some steps that a man can take specific 18:59 as this program is dealing with for guys only, 19:03 speaking to the needs of the urban man. 19:05 What are some of the steps 19:07 that men can take to prevent them from, 19:10 so to speak, crossing the line that 19:13 they don't go to a place 19:14 where they're going to regret in the very near future? 19:16 What are the ways? Rule number one, know yourself. 19:20 Understand your temperament. 19:23 Understand what pushes your button. 19:26 You know, we must be honest with ourselves 19:29 and each of us have different boiling points. 19:32 So I need to know what pushes my button. 19:36 And when I know that, 19:38 then I need to make a conscious decision every time 19:41 I feel myself getting there 19:43 to take what I call some self-timeout. 19:48 Does the man tell for instance, 19:52 if their wife, you know, 19:55 is coming down an avenue 19:57 where you know is going to push my button, you know? 20:00 Do you stop, you know, 'cause you recognized yourself. 20:02 Do you stop until you know your wife that, 20:05 "Hey, you're coming down an avenue 20:08 that I can't handle right now 20:10 and I just need for you to stop," 20:12 you know, do we do that? 20:14 I think, yes. 20:15 I think, you know, 20:17 what I call the rules of engagement. 20:20 And I have had to do that with my own relationship. 20:24 I've never seen my dad hit my mother. 20:27 And just based on that, 20:29 I've made a conscious decision to never hit a woman. 20:33 It doesn't mean that I don't get angry. 20:35 It doesn't mean that I don't get mad 20:37 and crazy and feel like. 20:39 But we have what I call the rules of engagement. 20:43 Once I feel us get into a certain point, 20:47 I say, "You know what, 20:48 I can't deal with this right now. 20:50 I need to take a self-timeout for me." 20:54 And we need to be aware of that point. 20:56 Wherever that point is, each of us needs to know 21:00 when it's time to walk away and take a self timeout. 21:03 Okay. So it's okay to walk away? 21:05 Absolutely. It's needed to walk away. 21:06 It's necessary. 21:08 If you have to, you have to run. 21:09 Absolutely. Every now and then. 21:10 It's necessary. Okay. 21:12 It's also good to, you know, 21:14 I think you get started on that path 21:16 to let your spouse know 21:20 what behaviors are setting you off. 21:22 Now you got to pick your timing too 21:26 because sometimes it's just the wrong time. 21:28 You test the waters and you find out that 21:30 they're getting hot, so you back off. 21:33 But what I want to protect against is you feeling like, 21:36 "Well, I guess I shouldn't do that 21:38 because, you know, when I did it the last time, 21:41 the waters got hotter" because what happens is, 21:44 then you lose the ability to join your wife 21:47 or invite her into being a partner 21:50 in helping to bring to maintain peace. 21:54 So it's okay 21:55 in the best non-offensive way to try and let her know that 22:01 there are some things 22:02 because you may have not because you ask not. 22:05 You may need to say, you know, this is a problem for me. 22:09 If you see it's going in the wrong way, 22:11 then you still reserve the right to retreat. 22:13 Okay. Okay. 22:14 And here's some common sense advice, suggestion. 22:18 I'm giving it to you for free. Come on. 22:20 That's what we want. 22:21 We want common sense, things that makes sense. 22:25 When you're hurt and when you're angry, 22:27 do not make major decisions. 22:31 It's a bad time. Okay. 22:32 Say it again. Okay. 22:34 When you're hurt or when you're angry guy 22:36 do not make major decisions. 22:39 In other words, 22:41 I'm not going to give you the car keys 22:43 or I'm not going to do this anymore. 22:45 I'm not going to do that anymore. 22:46 Do not make major decisions. 22:50 It is not a practical advice. 22:53 Do not fight with a skunk. 22:57 Okay. 22:58 You know what a skunk is right? 23:00 And, you know, 23:01 if you attempt to fight with the skunk, 23:03 you're going to lose because even if you win, 23:06 you're going to end up smelling bad. 23:09 What I mean by that is certain issues 23:13 are not worth fighting over. 23:16 Leave them alone 23:18 because you may think you have won, 23:22 but in the long run, you want to lose. 23:25 So do not fight with a skunk. 23:28 Leave it alone. Okay. 23:30 I like that. 23:32 I just want to answer that. Sure. 23:35 Some people, some adversaries are skunks and some are pigs. 23:40 When you wrestle with a pig, right, 23:44 you just get mud all over you and the pig enjoys the mud. 23:48 Same concept. 23:49 Some people actually enjoy conflict. 23:52 And they actually kind of try to push your buttons 23:55 and you got to know when you're dealing with that, 23:57 you're dealing with a pig. 24:01 Don't wrestle with a pig in mud. 24:03 Leave it alone. Just leave it alone. 24:04 No skunks, no pigs, leave it alone. 24:08 Okay. Okay. 24:10 What other preventative measures, 24:12 we get this concept of pigs. 24:14 What other preventative measures 24:16 can we take as well as, especially as men, 24:20 I know enough, even for myself, 24:21 you know, maybe just going for a jog 24:23 or something or going for a walk 24:25 or getting my car taking, you know, 24:27 time for me to just blow off steam, 24:29 you know, by myself sometimes. 24:31 What else can we do as well? 24:33 You know, I think it's important 24:36 to take an inventory of the things 24:38 that that make you mad, and I'm not saying to walk away 24:43 and never address them, 24:45 but wait for the appropriate time 24:47 to address those things. 24:48 And a lot of times, 24 hours later, 24:51 the things that you thought were important, 24:54 they're no longer are important. 24:55 You know you're fighting over the color of the curtain 24:59 or the style of the chair or something that 25:03 after few hours become immaterial. 25:06 So I'm saying take stock of it, allow some time to go by, 25:11 and then revisit the issue. 25:14 And a lot of times, the issue don't seem to be 25:16 as important as you thought it was. 25:20 Okay. Okay. 25:22 And I would say turn things over to God, 25:23 did you see turning things over to God? 25:26 I think a lot of times, the reason why you get drawn 25:29 into a battle is 25:31 because you see a situation developing in a way 25:34 that you don't want to be tolerant of. 25:37 And as you try to approach it, 25:38 you realize you're not getting anywhere with it, 25:40 but you don't want to lose that thing 25:42 because it might be 25:43 one of those lines that you've drawn. 25:45 And you said, "I have to make this change." 25:47 Dr. King said it well. 25:48 You may not have to make it right now. 25:51 But if you get used 25:53 to taking God up on His promises, 25:55 handing it over to Him and say, 25:57 "You know what, right now, God where it is right now, 25:59 I'm not going to get what I want. 26:01 And I believe I need it. 26:02 I believe it's right. 26:04 And I believe that You would have us 26:05 to do the right thing. 26:06 So guess what, for the sake of peace, 26:09 I'm going to just give it to You. 26:11 And I'm going to trust that 26:13 You will not let us lose the right situation, 26:17 lose the right outcome." 26:18 Leave it alone. 26:19 And I have learned that doing that more often than not, 26:23 first of all, it immediately 26:24 puts the situation under control and, 26:26 more often than not, the Holy Ghost goes to work. 26:29 He says, "Okay, that has retreated. 26:31 Now I can go to work." 26:32 And my wife will bring me the situation back and say, 26:35 "Let's work this thing out." 26:37 Okay. 26:39 That's critical 'cause I think sometimes 26:40 that we try to win an argument, but we may lose the person 26:44 whom we're arguing with, especially if it's a spouse. 26:46 Yes, you can win the battle, but you can lose the war. 26:48 Absolutely. That's critical. 26:50 That's... 26:51 I want to deal with, you know, what the Bible says 26:53 in the last minute that we have left. 26:55 And the Bible says in Ephesians 4:26, 27:00 the Bible says, "Be ye angry, and sin not, 27:03 let not the sun go down upon your wrath. 27:07 Neither give place to the devil. 27:09 Let him that stole steal no more, 27:11 but rather let him labor, 27:13 working with his hands the things which are good, 27:15 that he may have him to give to him that need. 27:18 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, 27:22 but that which is good to the use of edify, 27:25 that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 27:27 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed 27:32 unto the day of redemption." 27:34 Paul says, "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, 27:38 evil speaking be put away for you, 27:40 with all malice, and be ye kind one to another, 27:45 tenderhearted, forgiving one another, 27:47 even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you." 27:52 Because God has forgiven us, 27:54 my friends, we need to forgive one another as well. 27:58 God can by all means change our hearts 28:01 and our minds if we allow Him to do so. 28:04 This has been another broadcast For Guys Only. 28:07 And I pray that 28:08 you are richly blessed on today. 28:10 Until next time, my friends, may God richly bless you 28:12 and keep you in His loving grace. |
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