Participants: David DeRose, Don Mackintosh
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000083
00:49 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh
00:52 and we're glad that you've joined us today.
00:54 We're going to talk about a very interesting subject today
00:57 ...that being social support.
00:59 And joining me is Dr. David DeRose
01:02 from the Lifestyle Center of America
01:03 He is a specialist in internal medicine,
01:05 and preventive medicine...
01:07 That means he wants to prevent you from getting
01:09 any disease, or stopping or reversing that disease,
01:13 and he's also a researcher.
01:14 Welcome Dr. DeRose!
01:15 It's great to be with you, Don.
01:17 Today, we're going to talk about social support.
01:20 This is kind of not a hard science...
01:23 So many times, we talk with physicians and they're
01:26 talking about objective facts... this or that and the other
01:30 But we call this a softer science; why do we call it that?
01:32 Well I mean, a lot of people use those terms
01:34 because they say, "Yeah, this isn't getting in the laboratory
01:38 and giving people a drug, or measuring something"...
01:40 But what we're doing, Don, in the research literature
01:44 ...we're looking at what happens to people
01:47 when they are connected with other people;
01:49 when they get social support,
01:51 when individuals are strengthening one another
01:54 and it's really contributing to hard scientific endpoints.
01:57 In other words, we're showing that social support can
02:00 raise HDL levels... the good cholesterol.
02:03 We're showing that social support can DECREASE
02:06 DEPRESSION! Wow!
02:07 ...and the risk of depression
02:08 And these things are measureable,
02:10 so, what we're doing is we look at this area that
02:13 seems kind of soft, and kind of fuzzy,
02:15 and kind of, you know, social science,
02:17 not hard science as some of the medical researchers like to say.
02:21 What many people are saying is social science
02:23 is hard science, and we can come up with hard end points
02:26 when we come to social support.
02:28 So you can have big problems if you don't have social support
02:31 Are there different dimensions
02:32 to this whole idea of social support?
02:34 I mean there's clearly many dimensions.
02:36 A lot of times, people want to look at social CONNECTEDNESS.
02:39 That means how many contacts you have.
02:42 If you look objectively at someone,
02:44 you can say, "Well, they're involved with maybe their
02:45 church, or their workplace, for age, right...
02:49 this number of friends. Yeah
02:51 That's a way of looking at social connectedness.
02:54 But the research is suggesting, Don,
02:56 that it's not just how many connections you have...
02:59 it's your perception of whether you are supported,
03:02 whether you have individuals around you that are
03:06 building you up.
03:08 So, like for instance, let's talk about someone who
03:10 makes a significant decision that seems to alienate
03:13 the rest of his family...
03:14 Can he have social support and make it
03:16 through that kind of a situation?
03:17 Well you can have social support from other avenues
03:19 besides your family.
03:21 I think one of the great illustrations of social support
03:23 is in the Scriptures themselves...
03:25 You know, when I think of Jesus
03:27 in his very closing hours of His ministry,
03:30 in the Gospel of John, the curtain is pulled back
03:34 on some of Jesus' final moments there as He is
03:37 approaching His crucifixion...
03:39 And in John 13, to me, there's a very telling incident
03:43 that happens here...
03:44 Jesus actually, instead of getting out there on the
03:48 streets of Jerusalem, and trying to heal as many
03:51 people as possible, in those closing hours,
03:53 He's alone there in the Upper Room with His disciples
03:56 and He's washing their feet.
03:58 And in John 13, it makes this very telling statement
04:02 after Jesus has done this, He says to them...
04:05 "Know ye that I have done to you"
04:09 In verse 13, He says, "Master and Lord, you call Me,
04:15 "And you say, well; for so I am"
04:17 "If I then your Lord and Master have washed your feet,
04:21 you also ought to wash one another's feet. "
04:25 Jesus isn't there just setting up some ordinance.
04:28 I believe He's making a powerful statement
04:30 about social support in the church...
04:33 And Don, the research today suggests,
04:37 when you look at heart disease,
04:38 when you look at blood pressure problems,
04:40 when you look at thyroid problems...
04:41 look at a whole host of things,
04:43 social support makes an impact.
04:45 And Jesus, when He spent that time in the Upper Room,
04:48 instead of healing on the streets of Jerusalem,
04:50 in the long run, the message He has given to the church
04:53 is that we need this social support.
04:55 We need to PRESS TOGETHER and I really think, Don,
04:58 what Jesus did in John 13 has healed
05:01 more people in history through His building up of the concept
05:05 of social support in the church than He could have healed
05:08 if He was physically out there on the streets of Jerusalem
05:11 healing hundreds of people.
05:12 In other words, His last night, not going out with a bang
05:14 doing that, but setting in motion something that
05:17 could really be healing over a long amount of time.
05:19 That's right! Powerful ministry.
05:21 Now you work at the Lifestyle Center of America;
05:23 you do research there, you work with people a lot.
05:25 They come to your program, and then they leave,
05:28 and what do you say to them?
05:30 How do they go back with their new changes they've made
05:33 and have social support or connectedness?
05:36 Well, you know, as people go through our program,
05:38 it's a 19-day intensive program for many diseases...
05:42 People dealing with diabetes, or heart disease,
05:45 or high blood pressure... a host of other diseases
05:47 and I like to think of social support starting BEFORE
05:51 people even come to our program.
05:53 A classic example of someone I recently visited with
05:56 in his home environment, Ray Littleturtle, is a
06:00 Native American of the Lumbee tribe, in North Carolina
06:03 and Ray never would have come
06:05 to the Lifestyle Center of America
06:07 were it not for social support before he came...
06:10 I think we have some footage of Ray, don't we?
06:12 We do... Ray is going to give us some insights.
06:14 Let's see how it goes.
06:16 Well, my wife had been on me for a long time about diabetes.
06:21 Being a Native person, it's very prevalent among the Indians
06:24 for diabetes, and I knew I had diabetes several years
06:28 before coming here, and I just really
06:33 didn't address it.
06:34 I really accepted the fact that I had it and did nothing
06:38 for a cure or anything for it.
06:43 So, I came because I was asked.
06:47 We were in an Indian unity conference,
06:49 and a guy, Fred Rogers, from the Seventh-day Adventist Church
06:54 happen to come to the Indian gathering,
06:56 and I was speaking about diabetes.
06:58 And after he finished, he told me about Lifestyle Center
07:01 and I said, "Maybe this might be a chance
07:04 that I can do a little better. "
07:06 So I came really to EXPLORE the idea, and to appease my wife
07:14 because she saw the importance of having diabetes under control
07:19 What Ray is saying... is that he would never
07:23 have gotten the help he needed were it not for social contacts.
07:26 It was his wife encouraging him
07:28 to get serious about his diabetes.
07:30 It was Fred Rogers, a Seventh-day Adventist pastor
07:33 who works as a Native American himself... who told him
07:37 about what we were doing at the Lifestyle Center of America
07:39 And, it doesn't mean he had to come to our center...
07:42 I mean, Fred is referring people to other resources there
07:45 in the Southeastern United States
07:48 but the exciting thing is social support
07:51 reinvigorated Ray's health.
07:53 I just saw him recently, and he's a new man!
07:56 I was rubbing shoulders with him at a Native American
07:58 conference, and there were people coming up to him
08:01 and saying, "Yeah... Ray, you look great!"
08:03 "You're doing so much better. "
08:05 It's just exciting to see the IMPACT of what social contacts
08:09 can do in helping us address needed areas in our lives.
08:12 So when they get to, for instance, your center...
08:14 I know in our programs, when we do health programs
08:16 and whatnot, and I've been involved in quite a few as well,
08:19 we try to help them learn how to be socially involved
08:23 or have this connectedness...
08:24 Do you do that at the Lifestyle Center as well?
08:26 Don, actually... this is interesting.
08:28 Now you're talking about the church,
08:30 we're talking about the Lifestyle Center of America
08:32 in Oklahoma, and a lot of people, they say...
08:34 "Well, I don't live in Wichita, Kansas, or in Oklahoma,
08:37 how can I get the benefits of this... What's going on here?"
08:40 What you're doing on the level,
08:42 what other churches are doing when they have health programs,
08:45 what we're doing at the Lifestyle Center of America
08:47 is saying... "Look, the conventional medical system
08:51 doesn't address the social needs.
08:53 You go into the doctor's office,
08:55 you go to the hospital, but there's no social connectedness
08:59 that's built in. Right
09:00 And Christ, Himself, in instituting the church...
09:03 and saying in Hebrews that what we need to be doing
09:06 as we see the end of times approaching is
09:09 encouraging one another.
09:10 He's saying, "This is a vital part of our whole person health"
09:14 Don't forsake assembling together. That's right!
09:17 And so we can take in all kinds of good material
09:20 whether it's on 3ABN, whether it's in video programs,
09:24 whether it's reading...
09:26 But if we're not getting that social connectedness,
09:28 we're missing something.
09:29 So, you know, coming back to your question...
09:30 Well, what happens at the Lifestyle Center of America?
09:33 Well people when they come there,
09:34 they become socially connected...
09:37 because it's designed as a program where people are
09:40 going through an experience together!
09:42 So they stay in touch with each other?
09:43 They do... that's after the program...
09:45 But I want to focus on what happens during the program.
09:48 Pauline Barry and her husband, Jerry, came through our program
09:52 and they're going to join us by way of a video clip right now...
09:58 And Pauline shares with us exactly what happened to her
10:00 in this social support dimension... All right!
10:05 Each person here is treated as an individual...
10:08 the staff, the doctors get to know EVERYONE individually
10:13 And the nice thing is... all the people here, we get to
10:16 know each other, and we're such a help to each other.
10:21 But some of the people that came discouraged...
10:24 well, the other people just rally around them and help them,
10:28 and I think it's just really great.
10:31 It's really nice in that aspect.
10:39 That's great, I mean, it sounds like they're motively involved
10:43 with one another; they feel for on another.
10:45 Does that continue after the program?
10:46 It actually does... You know many guests tell us
10:49 I think of Ella, she's an
10:51 African-American woman from New York.
10:53 She came through our program, and she talked about
10:56 the marvelous social support that continued
10:59 with her whole group.
11:00 They were sending around a letter...
11:03 I guess you'd call it a "round-robin" or something
11:05 where each one would share what they were doing,
11:08 and they'd continue to support each other
11:10 and encourage each other.
11:11 And the interesting thing is...
11:13 This dimension of social support,
11:15 when you're touched, Don, when someone is touched by
11:18 a program that makes a difference in their life,
11:21 when they come for a 19-day program,
11:23 and they lose 10 or 15 pounds...
11:25 and the average patient that goes through our program
11:27 loses about 4-5% of their body weight... in 19 days
11:32 And so for someone who has been trying to lose weight,
11:35 they've hit a plateau...
11:36 I mean, they are excited!
11:37 They are energized by that.
11:38 But it doesn't just touch them;
11:41 part of what helped them to be successful
11:43 was the social support.
11:45 Let me give you just an example
11:47 that Ella shared with us some time ago.
11:49 She said... "One of the things that made a difference
11:51 in the program is when she was struggling in those 19 days,
11:55 trying to follow a lifestyle-based program
11:57 controlling her diet better,
11:59 learning how to eat better,
12:01 learning how to cook foods better... exercising. "
12:04 When she was struggling,
12:05 what do you think she said was the thing that helped her?
12:07 Social support, people doing it with her... That's exactly right
12:10 They would encourage her... They'd say "ELLA, you can do it"
12:13 And this dimension, we often forget...
12:15 But when you go to the doctor's office, when you see a physician
12:19 who is there encouraging you?
12:22 Maybe the nurses... Maybe not
12:24 Maybe not... They tell you to do something
12:26 Time and time again, Don... People come to our center
12:29 and they say, "The doctor said, lose weight, change your diet,
12:33 and then when they go back the next time, what happened?
12:36 They don't remember what they said...
12:38 or maybe they have to start all over again...
12:41 Or they didn't have the resources to do it!
12:43 Because they don't have a supportive environment...
12:46 And so this is why I get excited when I talk with
12:49 someone like you, or when I visited your church,
12:52 and see how you're working at a church level to enhance
12:56 this dimension of social support have this mutual encouragement
13:00 And so that social support in the disease process...
13:03 it's important at the beginning because it helps people
13:06 get attention like we saw Ray Littleturtle sharing.
13:08 It's important while you're addressing problems like...
13:11 Pauline Barry was sharing...
13:13 And then it's important when people go home
13:15 because it has derivative benefits.
13:17 Do we have a clip of Ella, of someone that
13:20 talks about what happens when they went home?
13:21 Actually, I've got another clip and this is from Gardenia.
13:25 Gardenia Montalvo... she came through our program a while back
13:29 She actually felt she was at death's door...
13:33 Now not everyone comes to us that bad off.
13:36 Her family really thought that their mother...
13:40 The kids, you know, thought their mother, Gardenia,
13:43 was really not long in this life.
13:46 In fact, after Gardenia went through,
13:49 I think it was the first program with us,
13:51 she has come back for a few more...
13:53 But the daughter sent a letter to all the staff saying
13:57 "Thank you for giving us back our mother"
14:00 And Gardenia shares, in this clip,
14:04 just what happened as a result of her coming to the
14:08 Lifestyle Center of America.
14:09 Well let's go to Gardenia...
14:14 My family is absolutely ecstatic because they love me very much
14:19 and they were sure I was going to... like, pretty soon
14:23 get into very bad shape, or pretty soon pass away...
14:27 So, they were very worried about me and they kept
14:30 begging me to do something about it,
14:32 and they are so happy...
14:34 And everyone has been touched by my experience here.
14:38 I brought my youngest daughter and she's strictly vegan.
14:41 She exercises daily.
14:43 And my oldest daughter has my recipe book,
14:47 and she has put her family on soy products...
14:50 And everyone that I've prayed for... that it would touch
14:56 their lives... like my sister-in-law, and my nephew
14:59 and godson, they came through the program
15:02 and their health has improved a thousand-fold.
15:05 So I've been very blessed that way,
15:07 because not only my health has improved,
15:09 I have touched some people, and their health has improved too.
15:15 That's just GREAT! I mean, you know,
15:17 coming back from death's door,
15:19 talking about how she has these relationships with her family...
15:22 "We have our mother back, we're cooking together"
15:24 And then she's reaching out to other people...
15:26 I mean, this must be... Is this gratifying?
15:29 Oh, it's exciting, Don...
15:30 That's why we're there, and that's why we've got a
15:32 team of people that are dedicated to helping people
15:36 in a concentrated way in a context of social support.
15:39 Where it's the staff, but not just the staff...
15:42 It's the other people going through the same experience
15:44 that makes such a difference.
15:46 And it doesn't have to happen in Sulphur, Oklahoma
15:50 at the Lifestyle Center of America
15:51 It can happen in your own church ... in your own community.
15:54 I mean, you know that with the CHIP program
15:55 you do there in Wichita.
15:57 You know, there are some pitfalls sometimes to staying
16:00 in touch with one another.
16:01 You know, things that just mitigate against social support
16:03 We're going to go to a break right now, doctor,
16:06 but when we come back, we're going to continue talking
16:08 about social support...
16:10 How can you make sure you're getting adequate...
16:12 How can you make sure that you're involved in the way
16:14 you should be... Join us when we come back.
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17:20 Welcome back... We're talking with Dr. David DeRose
17:22 We're talking about social support.
17:24 Doctor, can we get too much social support?
17:26 Can we get TOO MUCH?
17:28 Well, we can GIVE too much social support.
17:31 One classic study is of caregivers of Alzheimer patients
17:36 When these individuals are the exclusive caregivers
17:39 where they're not getting the relief that they need,
17:42 they are giving too much, really.
17:44 They are not getting time for the social support they need.
17:47 Now when I say, "social support" from a spiritual perspective
17:51 ...from a Christian perspective
17:52 I believe there's a merging of 2 lines of
17:55 research literature that we have to talk about today.
17:58 What do you mean... is it like church, and there's like
18:01 what do you mean, merging of the spiritual matter.
18:03 You know, a lot of times, in the research literature,
18:05 we look at social support as being one thing,
18:08 and then we look at something else that we call
18:10 religious well-being, or religiosity...
18:13 we use terms like this.
18:14 But I see the spiritual and the social
18:17 as being very similar... Let me illustrate this.
18:20 In the religious domain, when we administer
18:24 questionnaires to people trying to assess
18:27 the strength of their religious commitments.
18:29 We often ask questions like...
18:31 "Do you believe in a personal God?"
18:33 "Do you feel you have a personal relationship with God?"
18:37 If you think about that for a minute...
18:39 We're talking about social support... if you will
18:43 on a divine level.
18:44 And some people will say, "Well, that's not social,
18:46 that's God's support. "
18:47 But really it is, I believe, another dimension
18:50 to the same area.
18:51 And what did Jesus do?
18:53 Yes, Jesus had social support.
18:55 He had intimate friends in the disciples, or Mary and Martha
18:59 and Lazarus... But what else did he do?
19:01 Early in the morning, He was out there seeking His Father...
19:05 Getting that revitalization from communion with nature,
19:10 and communion with God.
19:11 And so we need this balance in our lives...
19:13 We need to be receiving, as well as giving.
19:16 If we're all giving, like those exclusive caregivers
19:20 for Alzheimer patients, measureable decreases
19:23 in their immune system.
19:24 We can only GIVE so much.
19:27 So we have to be recharging our batteries...
19:29 You know, in working in healthcare myself,
19:32 I recognize that there were those that seemed to be
19:34 pretty cynical... you know, they'd be jaded!
19:37 They work with people all day, and they just didn't
19:39 have anything to give.
19:40 But the ones that did have the spiritual underpinnings,
19:44 like you're talking about, seem to be excited, more buoyant,
19:46 and they could GIVE even more!
19:49 And it's interesting, if you look at the literature
19:52 talking about social support on a human level,
19:54 and you look at the literature dealing with
19:57 religious commitment, religious strength,
20:00 fellowship with God, if you will...
20:01 You look at those dimensions, and they have similar effects.
20:04 The strengths in both of those areas helps to decrease
20:08 blood pressure in stressful life situations.
20:11 Helps to decrease the risk of depression
20:14 which is an enormous problem in our society today.
20:16 So it helps us to be able to
20:19 give... when we're willing to receive.
20:22 Now let's talk real practically, doctor... okay
20:24 We talking... what do you mean exactly by giving social support
20:29 I'm at home, I'm sitting down and I go...
20:30 Well, how do I do this? It sounds so great.
20:32 I want my blood pressure to go down... not TOO low,
20:34 but I want it to be normal.
20:36 I want these things to happen.
20:37 What are you talking about when you say, "social support"
20:41 What is it EXACTLY?
20:43 Okay, to make it real practical...
20:45 If someone's saying, "How can I be part of a
20:47 social support network?"
20:49 First of all, look at the relationships you already have.
20:52 Are you enhancing those relationships?
20:55 I mean, how do your children relate to you?
20:57 How do your parents relate to you?
20:59 Are you only a consumer?
21:01 Are you taking, or are you giving?
21:03 That's the first question to ask.
21:06 A second thing to ask is...
21:07 Can you facilitate social networks in your
21:11 sphere of influence?
21:12 One classic way of doing it is just being involved
21:16 in your church!
21:18 I mean, a lot of people today have a spectator mentality
21:21 when it comes to worship.
21:23 It's very easy in a big church to just kind of, you know,
21:26 sit back, and say, "Well, that sermon today
21:29 was okay, but maybe if I had gone across town,
21:33 there would have been a better sermon. "
21:35 We get in this spectator mentality... instead of saying
21:38 ...The TAKE model instead of the gift. Yeah... Right!
21:40 And you're saying instead of doing that, you say...
21:42 "Hey, can I go out and visit someone maybe at the
21:44 nursing home; can I see who is a shut-in and
21:47 hasn't had a visit... Can I make a loaf of bread?
21:49 Can I invite someone to my house?
21:50 Can I do this, do that... Can I watch your kids
21:53 because it looks like you're...
21:55 Well maybe you wouldn't say that YOU'RE a little STRESED OUT
21:57 there, but I want to help you out... in a nice way.
22:00 Is that what you mean?
22:01 All those are excellent examples but it doesn't even have to
22:03 take any extra time.
22:04 You can walk into your church, or a church that you've
22:07 never been to... okay, and you say,
22:09 "I want to start getting involved with the church"
22:11 I haven't been going to church.
22:12 I've looked at religion as just something between God and myself
22:15 but I want to start fellowshipping with people.
22:18 And, instead of walking IN with the focus on
22:21 "What am I going to get," look around the congregation
22:24 ...see if someone is sitting alone!
22:26 At the end of the church service or at the beginning,
22:29 if you see someone who is just standing there,
22:31 or who is walking out alone,
22:32 make an effort to say, "Hello"
22:34 You know, I hope there are a lot of people listening
22:37 because this is a real big need, even in churches.
22:39 You know, I usually am almost stationary up front
22:44 because I'm up front as a pastor many weeks...
22:47 And I'll see people that are sitting alone,
22:50 and I'll see that other people don't even SEE them!
22:52 And it's like they have tunnel vision,
22:54 so you know, sometimes I'll say to someone sitting with me
22:57 on the platform... "Hey, would you go mention to this person
23:00 to go sit by that person"
23:01 I try and facilitate that. Ah ha
23:03 But what you're saying is just GO with this idea of
23:06 service DURING the service.
23:09 That's right... so it doesn't have to take you,
23:12 and you don't have to plan a meal for 37 people at your house
23:16 You can take little interest, just taking an
23:19 interest in people, giving them a call on the phone...
23:21 it can be simple things.
23:22 Let me switch channels here, if you will, for a minute.
23:26 I used to work all the time with mostly women.
23:30 I was working in the nursing profession,
23:32 and there are, of course, many men in the nursing profession
23:34 too, but where I worked there was mostly women
23:36 and then there was ME... Ha, ha
23:38 My wife was working as an architect with mostly men
23:41 and then there was her.
23:42 But, you know, I noticed something...
23:43 As I went through 2 different courses of study,
23:46 I noticed that when I went through the nursing program,
23:48 it was largely women there; and then I went through
23:51 a theology program and degree,
23:53 and it was mostly male teachers there...
23:56 I noticed that the support, it seemed at least to me,
23:59 was GREATER in the nursing program,
24:01 than in the theology program.
24:04 And, I don't know, I'm just asking...
24:06 Is there anything to this idea that a woman can
24:10 give better social support than a man?
24:11 Well Don, you know, you may say 2 guys talking here
24:14 we may want to own up to this...
24:17 but it's true actually. Is that right?
24:19 Yes, there's some very interesting research
24:21 through the years, but one of the earliest
24:23 examples I know of was in the Alameda County Health Study.
24:26 This is just a monumental study as far as
24:29 public health and preventive medicine.
24:31 First studies were published like in 1970...
24:34 It's an old, old study now.
24:36 But, they found, when they looked at the benefit of
24:39 marriage, for example...
24:40 You know, guys like to think they're doing their wives a
24:42 favor when they marry them. Ha, ha, ha, ha...
24:44 But the Alameda County Health study showed that the ones
24:46 who really got the dramatic benefit from
24:48 being married were MEN!
24:50 This was the first study that I came across
24:53 that raised my attention to the fact that the social support
24:57 from a WOMAN... may be more valuable!
24:59 Now a more recent study in the year 2000, I believe,
25:02 from the University of California at San Francisco
25:06 I think I'm quoting this right...
25:08 But anyway, it's one of the UC schools
25:10 that did this research...
25:11 took over 100 individuals and they looked at what happens
25:15 in a stressful situation.
25:16 They were having people speak in front of an audience...
25:20 Now for some of us that do that frequently,
25:22 that may not be THAT stressful,
25:24 but for most people, it's one of the real HIGH stress activities
25:28 that you could imagine.
25:29 And when there were supportive people in the audience,
25:33 the blood pressure response to stress was decreased.
25:37 But here's the CATCH...
25:38 If the supportive people were WOMEN,
25:41 that blood pressure response was much less.
25:43 Women had a greater stress-relieving effect
25:47 than men did...
25:48 And there's a lot of speculation as to why this is the case,
25:52 but the research is pretty clear...
25:54 That women have some unique benefits as far as
25:56 social support.
25:57 Men have other strengths and they have...
26:00 You know, I'm not trying to give the message that
26:01 men can't be socially supportive...
26:04 But what the point is, Don...
26:06 is that we've got to get serious about realizing
26:10 that God has called together a body.
26:12 This is why the church is not just, an all-male social club,
26:16 or an all-women's church.
26:19 God pulls together the genders because we have unique
26:23 strengths, as well as unique differences.
26:25 And, it's exciting to see what happens in this dynamic...
26:28 whether it's in the church, whether it's at the
26:30 Lifestyle Center of America,
26:31 whether it's in a community group...
26:33 the same dynamic can take place in all those settings.
26:36 That's great, and you know, I think that people today
26:39 were probably pretty motivated to get involved,
26:41 but I have one last question...
26:42 We have about 1-1/2 minutes left.
26:44 And, doctor, in terms of giving social support
26:48 we've said, "Hey, we've got to be getting something
26:50 spiritually to give that"
26:51 What do you do day-by-day, what is your secret for
26:54 giving social support?
26:55 Where do you get, and how does that work for you?
26:59 I'll tell you, the thing that's vital to me, Don,
27:01 is meeting with my Lord.
27:04 To open His Word, to pray, to get counsel from Him
27:08 to get direction from Him and encouragement...
27:10 That's what really inspires me,
27:12 and that's what really gives me something to share.
27:15 You know, many times, no matter what kind of background we have,
27:19 no matter what kind of experience,
27:20 and in my personal case, sometimes I seem like I
27:23 just don't have what it takes.
27:24 But when I meet with the Lord, when He encourages me,
27:28 He gives me something to share.
27:30 Amen, and that's really the key, isn't it?
27:34 We've been talking with Dr. David DeRose.
27:36 He's a physician at the Lifestyle Center of America
27:38 in Sulphur, Oklahoma
27:40 and we've been talking about social support.
27:42 It's been fascinating to hear what you've had to say.
27:45 We hope that you, as you've been listening today,
27:47 have had a new sense of what you can DO
27:50 to be involved socially.
27:52 But most importantly, that you can have that connection
27:54 with the Giver of life, the Master Physician.
27:57 Thanks for joining us today.