Health for a Lifetime

The Good News About Diabetes.

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Participants: Don Mackintosh, Tim Arnott

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00:49 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh
00:52 and today we're going to be talking about diabetes.
00:55 Do you have diabetes?
00:56 Does someone you KNOW have diabetes?
00:58 It's a huge crisis in this country and around the world
01:03 that's increasing and our specialist today,
01:06 the person we're talking with is Dr. Tim Arnott...
01:08 And really, you're a specialist in family medicine,
01:12 and also lifestyle medicine,
01:14 but you see a lot of diabetics at the
01:16 Lifestyle Center of America, is that correct?
01:18 We see well over 40% of our patients with diabetes.
01:22 And what exactly is diabetes,
01:24 and what kind of a problem is it
01:27 in our country and around the world?
01:29 Well basically, diabetes is having too much sugar
01:33 inside your blood... that's the basic problem.
01:36 We need sugar but when you have TOO much sugar,
01:39 it causes a lot of problems.
01:41 There are 2 basic types of diabetes.
01:45 You see, in order to get the sugar inside the cells,
01:48 you need insulin.
01:50 So in type 1 diabetes, these individuals usually
01:54 young individuals, completely lose their ability
01:58 to make insulin.
02:00 In other words, that organ in the body, the pancreas
02:03 that makes the insulin, is completely knocked out,
02:06 and they're not able to make ANY insulin.
02:08 So that's type 1... That's type 1
02:11 But that's a minority of the individuals with diabetes,
02:15 only about 5% of those with diabetes have type 1 diabetes.
02:19 Over 90-95% have type 2 diabetes.
02:25 Now, it has typically been called
02:27 adult-onset diabetes in the past,
02:30 but now we see type 2 diabetes showing up in younger,
02:34 and younger individuals, even in elementary school.
02:37 Is that right... do you see see people that young
02:38 at the Lifestyle Center?
02:40 Not usually... usually people come to us when they're
02:44 starting to have side effects,
02:46 problems and real serious situations.
02:49 But in type 2 diabetes, the people have insulin,
02:54 they're making insulin, but the body is not responding to it.
02:59 In other words, they have insulin right there
03:01 where they need it, but the cells are just not
03:04 responding to it like they should.
03:05 So here we have, your blood vessel, as that blood is
03:09 going through the blood vessel; it's carrying insulin,
03:14 or the insulin carrying along whatever is needed
03:16 to get into the cell, but it can't get in.
03:18 Is that what you're saying? That's right
03:19 There's plenty of sugar, there's plenty of insulin,
03:23 but it's just not getting into the cell.
03:25 The cells are not responding to that insulin.
03:28 Do those that are... I assume that there at the
03:32 Lifestyle Center of America, you are saying...
03:35 Look, for these types of individuals that are diabetics,
03:38 they need to get back to simple foods as grown;
03:41 that, you know, are released slower into the bloodstream
03:45 and whatnot, and this helps their diabetes, is that right?
03:47 You talk about the vegetarian diet. Absolutely!
03:51 You know, the genius of the vegetarian diet is that
03:56 the plant foods, as they come from nature, are full of fiber;
04:01 they're full of water and they are relatively LOW in calories,
04:06 especially the beans, the vegetables, the salad items,
04:10 the grains... and when you eat these foods,
04:13 you can actually FILL UP and feel SATISFIED
04:17 without getting too many calories...
04:19 The part of the problem in diabetes is that we get
04:23 too many calories coming in to the body,
04:25 and the cells start to fill up with this energy,
04:29 in the form of fat, typically,
04:31 and the MORE of the energy that comes into the cells,
04:34 the less the cell can bring in that energy.
04:37 In other words, it starts to
04:39 DECREASE its response to the insulin.
04:41 But, as you start to take on a diet where you're not
04:44 taking in so many calories, a plant-based diet,
04:47 you're actually starting to LOSE weight,
04:50 the energy starts to DECREASE out of the storage compartments,
04:55 ...so to speak, and the cells wake up and they start to
04:58 respond to that insulin and the blood sugar goes down.
05:01 Do vegetarians ever develop diabetes?
05:05 Well this is an interesting idea because we would THINK
05:10 that if you're going to be a vegetarian,
05:12 you wouldn't have any problem with diabetes,
05:14 but in fact, when I was practicing in Iowa,
05:16 for a period of 3 years, I would see a number of
05:19 different people who were vegetarians,
05:21 and they still had problems with their blood sugar.
05:25 We can still be on a RICH diet and be a vegetarian.
05:30 Like what? Well, what I mean by that is...
05:33 When we eat foods that are highly processed,
05:36 highly refined, concentrated energy sources...
05:40 For example... Fake steak, phony baloney?
05:43 Well, you know, if you go into a grocery store,
05:46 and you look at the packages,
05:48 a lot of these packages contain things like corn syrup,
05:53 partially hydrogenated oils, enriched wheat flour...
05:56 These are all foods that are plant in origin,
06:00 they're vegetarian, but the FIBER has been removed!
06:04 Okay, so they're refined.
06:05 And the water has been removed, and so they're concentrated.
06:08 And they bring in more energy into the body
06:11 than was what necessary,
06:13 and so the weight starts to go up.
06:16 And then diabetes can show up later on.
06:19 What about tofu, is it a processed food?
06:21 Tofu is a processed food.
06:23 And again, I'm not saying never eat tofu,
06:26 but I'm saying we need to be careful if our weight
06:28 is starting to creep up, we might want to consider
06:33 using foods in more unrefined and unprocessed state.
06:37 Even if we're vegetarians... even if we're vegetarians
06:40 In diabetes then, as I understand it,
06:42 the sugar goes up either because there's
06:44 insulin resistance or because there is not any
06:46 insulin made - like you said... That's right
06:48 And what's the problem with the sugar going up?
06:50 I mean, you know, what's the problem with
06:51 having a little more sugar around?
06:53 Well, one of the issues is that as your sugar beings to rise,
06:58 it doesn't just stay there by itself...
07:01 It begins to attach to other things in the blood,
07:05 and one of the major constituents
07:07 of the blood are PROTEINS...
07:09 And the major protein in the blood is albumin,
07:14 that's one of them...
07:16 Another major protein in the blood is HEMOGLOBIN.
07:19 And hemoglobin is the protein, of course, that's
07:21 carrying the oxygen out to the tissues,
07:24 and it's very interesting that EVERYONE has a certain amount
07:29 of their hemoglobin protein that's attached to sugar...
07:32 About 3 to 5% of our hemoglobin is attached to a sugar.
07:37 Now, there's a problem when sugar attaches to hemoglobin.
07:43 What does it do to it?
07:44 Well actually, you can think of hemoglobin like a donut,
07:47 or some have said, like a bagel...
07:50 Don't want the sugar to go up.
07:51 So, we have this hemoglobin, it's like a bagel...
07:54 Well, hemoglobin actually attaches to oxygen very strongly
08:02 Now the Creator has designed a chemical called "DPG"
08:08 DPG - diphosphoglycerate...
08:11 Kind of a complicated name but all it IS... is a substance
08:14 that fits inside that bagel and it's very important
08:19 because if it's not inside the middle of your hemoglobin
08:22 hemoglobin attaches to oxygen 20 times stronger
08:26 when it's NOT there! Okay
08:29 So its purpose is to fit in that hole
08:32 so oxygen is released much more easily.
08:36 So we need to get the oxygen off out into the tissues
08:39 but we need DPG in there to allow that process to happen.
08:44 So the sugar doesn't allow it to be in there or something?
08:46 What happens is, the sugar replaces the DPG,
08:49 and so the hemoglobin holds on to the oxygen more strongly,
08:53 and it doesn't get out to the tissues.
08:55 So in other words, diabetics usually...
08:57 they'll develop problems where are little tiny vessels.
09:00 Is that right... like in their eyes or outlying areas?
09:04 That's right, the most delicate fragile tissues...
09:07 you start to see signs first.
09:09 The retina of the eye, the very back of the eye,
09:12 very delicate tissue, small blood vessels.
09:15 And as more and more of the hemoglobin is tied up with sugar
09:19 you get less and less oxygen to these tissues,
09:22 and that's ONE of the reasons.
09:24 Now, one of the other proteins is albumin.
09:28 And, that's a MAJOR blood protein
09:31 that could be tied up with sugar.
09:32 So, as we see the hemoglobin attaching to sugar,
09:37 it begins to create more and more of a problem,
09:40 and that's why we measure something called hemoglobin A1c
09:46 That's the 3-month test that tells you what your
09:49 blood sugar has been over the last 2 or 3 months.
09:52 And all that is, is measuring how much of your hemoglobin
09:55 is attached to sugar...
09:57 And you want to get that down to about less than 6;
10:01 that would be the best.
10:03 So at the Lifestyle Center of America,
10:04 you take diabetics that have a problem,
10:07 and what do you see happening to
10:08 their hemoglobin A1c and these other things?
10:12 In the 19-day program, for instance, what happens to them?
10:16 Do they come there and they see this reverse?
10:18 Is it reversible?
10:19 Actually, diabetes type 2 is a very exciting
10:25 disease to treat because it IS reversible...
10:28 And we see, all the time, individuals
10:30 come to the Lifestyle Center...
10:32 For example, I have 2 patients right now;
10:34 one individual came in on 100 units of insulin;
10:39 another individual came on 2 different oral medicines,
10:42 you know, medicines you take by mouth, for their diabetes.
10:45 Their diabetes was not in good control when they came in.
10:48 In other words, their sugars were real high...
10:50 They weren't optimal. Okay
10:52 Now one individual was better than the other,
10:55 but as they got onto a plant-based diet,
10:58 an exercise program and an entire lifestyle approach,
11:03 what we're seeing is that both of these individuals
11:07 are completely off of their medications
11:09 and yet their sugars are running very close to the normal range!
11:14 And so, the potential there is for individuals
11:18 who have been on a lot of medications to actually
11:21 be able to REDUCE their medications,
11:22 and some individuals actually come off their medications.
11:25 But it requires a lifestyle approach
11:29 in order to facilitate that.
11:30 So what I hear you saying is that sugar,
11:32 I mean, lots of times when I
11:34 would take care of people that had diabetes...
11:36 They'd say, "Look, my doctor tells me I have sugar"
11:39 And they CALL IT exactly THAT,
11:41 and in my mind I used to think "What is that stuff like...
11:44 is that like white stuff that we talk about being sugar,
11:46 or the brown sugar... what is that?"
11:48 "What exactly is happening there?"
11:49 But what I hear you saying is that sugar, itself,
11:52 is not BAD in a sense of in the body;
11:55 it's just bad if it stays too long in the bloodstream
11:58 and it doesn't get into the cells...
12:00 Am I right about that?
12:01 Tell me a little bit about sugar.
12:03 Is it good? Is it bad?
12:04 I know where it should be.
12:06 Or where it should not be, from what you've told me,
12:09 and that's not in the bloodstream for too long.
12:11 ABSOLUTELY!
12:13 Sugar is essential; in fact, our brain ONLY uses sugar,
12:18 so that's a VERY important fuel. How sweet it is!
12:22 The problem is that the Creator designed the system
12:25 so that the sugar stays between a lower range and a higher range
12:31 ...And it doesn't get below that range or above that range.
12:35 So, like the oil in your car... Yeah, exactly
12:37 And so in diabetes, the sugar levels start to rise,
12:41 and they are at a level that's too high,
12:44 and so that starts to cause all of these other problems.
12:47 Now, we know that the sugar levels can actually damage
12:50 the lining of the arteries and actually promote heart disease.
12:54 Well, how do you get the sugar then... into the cells?
12:56 Well, what it actually takes and what is important
13:00 to understand is that ALL of the cells make these
13:04 little doorways for the blood sugar to pass into the cell,
13:09 and there are 2 tissues that we want to focus on in diabetes,
13:13 and that is the MUSCLE tissue and the FAT tissue.
13:16 They make these little proteins that are doors for sugar.
13:21 And in diabetes, what happens is
13:24 the insulin is made by the pancreas, in type 2 diabetes,
13:29 and the insulin comes along to the cell
13:31 and it SIGNALS the cell to bring those doors up to the surface.
13:36 So it knocks on and it says, "Open up" Right
13:39 And in a person without diabetes the cell responds to that signal
13:46 The doorways go up to the surface and the sugar goes in.
13:50 See, when those doors are on the surface of the cell,
13:53 the sugar goes in automatically.
13:55 If they're there, the sugar goes in.
13:58 So the problem is, in diabetes, that the signal is sent,
14:01 ...the insulin is sent and it tells the cell
14:05 BRING the doors up and they don't come up.
14:08 But, as you start to REDUCE the ENERGY that is
14:13 stored in those cells... in other words, the excess fat
14:16 through an exercise program, through a plant-based diet,
14:20 the cell starts to respond
14:22 and it sends those doors up to the surface.
14:24 You are a Christian physician,
14:26 and that means that you believe in the Lord,
14:29 you believe in Christ and you give Him
14:31 the glory for what you do...
14:32 And out of all the books you've studied, if you could recommend
14:37 a textbook concerning diabetes, what would it be and why?
14:40 You know, the BEST health text book is the Scriptures.
14:44 The Holy Bible is the VERY BEST...
14:46 In fact, I would say it's the
14:48 ONLY health textbook that you really need.
14:51 So what does it say about diabetes?
14:53 Well, you know, actually it doesn't
14:56 say anything specifically about diabetes per se...
14:59 but if you will FOLLOW the guidelines in the Bible
15:03 and you don't have to read very far...
15:05 The very first chapter in the 29th verse
15:09 tells you the diet, the BEST diet for someone with diabetes.
15:15 Fruits, whole grains, and nuts.
15:18 Now, we want to talk a little bit later about what kind of
15:22 fruits and how many for the person with diabetes.
15:25 But WHOLE grains and NUTS and VEGETABLES,
15:29 which were added in the second chapter,
15:32 are the IDEAL diet for someone who wants
15:35 to improve their diabetes.
15:37 Fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables,
15:39 and that's why you're saying this is the best textbook
15:41 because it gives the plan that...
15:43 Is this the plan that you use at the Lifestyle Center of America?
15:45 Absolutely.
15:46 Now in the third chapter, verse 19 of Genesis,
15:49 it tells us there what kind of an activity program
15:54 that we were designed for.
15:55 It says, "In the sweat of your face, shall you eat bread
15:58 all the days of your life. "
16:00 So you need to get out there and exercise.
16:03 In other words, we need an exercise level that
16:06 causes us to sweat.
16:08 That's the kind of exercise that will actually
16:11 REDUCE the fat that's stored in your muscle.
16:14 Reduce the fat that's stored in your liver,
16:16 and as these tissues LOSE fat,
16:19 they become better able to
16:20 absorb sugar out of the bloodstream
16:22 and your blood sugar drops.
16:24 We're talking with Dr. Tim Arnott
16:26 We're talking about diabetes.
16:27 We've learned what it is.
16:29 We've learned the type of problems that it causes.
16:32 We learned that lots of people
16:34 are suffering from these problems...
16:35 And when we come back, we're going to talk more
16:37 about the way to deal with diabetes...
16:40 We're going to talk about how to apply some of the
16:43 principles we've already learned from the most important
16:45 textbook... that being the Scriptures.
16:47 Join us when we come back.
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17:52 We've been talking with Dr. Tim Arnott from the
17:54 Lifestyle Center of America
17:56 We've been talking about diabetes,
17:57 and it's been exciting to learn that diabetes is not something
18:00 you just have to live with, especially type 2 diabetes...
18:03 Isn't that right doctor? Absolutely!
18:05 It can be stopped, reversed,
18:07 and simply, you were explaining that this can come
18:11 as a result of just opening our Bibles and following the
18:14 prescription that is given in the first 3 chapters of Genesis
18:17 Is that right? That's correct!
18:18 Fruits, nuts, grains and then you said vegetables.
18:21 I have a question for you...
18:22 What is the connection between weight...
18:25 You know, you say, "Well you're overweight,
18:27 so you're going to have diabetes"
18:28 What's the connection between weight and diabetes?
18:30 And how could the Creator's plan help us in this area?
18:34 Well, you know, as we were talking earlier,
18:37 what seems to actually be happening is as we are on a
18:41 diet that's bringing in too many calories,
18:43 those EXTRA calories are stored as fat in the different tissues.
18:48 They're stored in the muscle tissues...
18:50 They're actually stored between the muscle cells.
18:53 The extra fat is stored INSIDE the muscle cells.
18:56 In the liver, you can develop a fatty liver.
18:59 So this excess fat is deposited in all the different tissues,
19:03 and there seems to be a situation developing that when
19:06 all of the storage areas start to fill up.
19:10 The body basically seems to be saying,
19:14 "Look, I'm full, I can't take in anymore energy"
19:17 And it starts to turn down the insulin sensitivity.
19:22 So when you get overweight, then it sends a signal
19:26 to the insulin and the insulin
19:28 isn't as sensitive or what happens?
19:30 The cells just seem to be turning off
19:33 their ability to respond to insulin.
19:36 The more the weight actually comes on to the body.
19:40 But the good news is is that as you LOSE weight,
19:43 as you deplete these tissues,
19:46 as you reduce the fats stored in these different tissues,
19:49 then the insulin starts to work again.
19:51 Turns the switch back on, says, "We need your help"
19:55 Now what's exciting about the Creator's program...
19:59 Fruits, nuts, grains, vegetables...
20:01 That's what you're talking about... Exactly!
20:02 The ideal diet, the plant-based diet is the diet that you can
20:08 actually live with for the long haul.
20:11 There are many programs out there...
20:13 Successful programs to help people lose weight.
20:16 I mean, one VERY successful program is a HIGH PROTEIN DIET.
20:20 People lose weight on a high protein diet.
20:24 People lose weight a whole range of
20:27 different programs out there for weight control.
20:31 Even amputation probably,
20:32 but that's probably not a good idea... right
20:35 The problem with these is that you can't LIVE with them FOREVER
20:38 That's for sure... Because they have all kinds of
20:40 side effects and problems associated with them.
20:43 I was just driving down the road the other day,
20:45 and I saw this big billboard that said,
20:49 "Are you trying to live on a low carbohydrate diet,
20:52 here's a bread for you that can make this more easy"
20:55 I mean, it's true, people are not making it.
20:57 Evidently there is billboards up! Absolutely!
20:59 So what's exciting and what is so FUN to take care of
21:04 individuals with diabetes is to have this program
21:08 the Creator offers that actually brings satiety.
21:11 I mean, actually feel FULL maybe for the first time.
21:14 Because they're getting foods that are high in bulk;
21:17 they're high in water, they're high in fiber.
21:19 The PLANTS were made to fill us up
21:22 without filling us full of calories.
21:24 And so, we can actually feel satisfied,
21:26 and lose weight at the same time.
21:28 That's what every person with diabetes...
21:30 And that's probably what you see there at the
21:31 Lifestyle Center of America
21:33 Is this what happens as you teach them to cook
21:35 and as they're eating there with you,
21:38 do they say these kind of things?
21:39 They feel full; they feel good? Absolutely!
21:42 People are astounded that they're eating,
21:44 and they thought they would be starving,
21:47 and they're feeling completely satisfied...
21:49 And they're losing weight at the same time.
21:51 Now, how important is it, where should your blood sugar be,
21:55 and I've heard people talk about
21:58 having it tightly controlled, or other people say...
22:02 "I'm a brittle diabetic" What's that all about?
22:04 We know there are 2 numbers that you want to remember...
22:07 If you want to have tight blood sugar control,
22:10 then you want to remember 2 numbers...
22:12 Now why is it important to have tight blood sugar control?
22:16 Well now we know that if your blood sugar is out of control,
22:20 in other words, if it's not tightly controlled,
22:23 you start to have much more problems with blindness,
22:27 for example, the disease of the eye called "retinopathy"
22:31 ...Injury to the kidneys, the nephropathy.
22:34 So all the little tiny vessels again.
22:36 That's right, all these different tissues
22:38 start to suffer as the blood sugar goes up.
22:42 So that's why tight control is very important.
22:44 So what are those 2 numbers we need to know?
22:46 Before every meal, your blood sugar should be LESS than 120.
22:52 BEFORE every meal...
22:53 Before ANY meal that you eat, it should be less than 120.
22:57 What about after? Two hours after you
23:00 stand up from that meal, any meal, it should be less than 140
23:05 So those are the 2 numbers that you want to remember.
23:07 Less than 120 before any meal;
23:09 less than 140 2 hours later.
23:12 So what if it's not happening,
23:13 what foods should you eat to bring it into tight control?
23:15 Well, the FIRST thing you want to do is to get on a
23:19 plant-based diet.
23:20 Because this diet is the LOWEST in saturated fat.
23:25 That's that fat that at room temperature is solid,
23:28 and that fat is particularly bad for someone with diabetes.
23:33 Just makes the condition much worse.
23:35 So a plant-based diet has the LEAST amount of that kind of fat
23:40 So, that's the first step, get on a plant-based diet.
23:43 Now the next thing you want to do is... you want to get
23:46 on a FIBER-RICH diet.
23:48 Okay, so these are the ones that can really help you
23:51 keep it tight... FIBER-RICH,
23:53 and what do you mean by fiber-rich?
23:54 Well, what I'm saying is...
23:56 You know, there's only really one source of removing fiber
24:00 in our society that I can think of... that's the food industry!
24:05 So you want to get your food
24:06 before it goes to the food industry,
24:08 because they're the ones removing the fiber.
24:12 So you want to use WHOLE grains! Okay, whole grains.
24:14 You want to go to the bulk food section of your grocery store
24:18 Buy those whole grains and use all the different grains
24:21 that are out there... 12- 15 different grains
24:24 to bring a lot of variety.
24:26 The BEANS are the RICHEST in fiber.
24:29 In fact, someone with type 2 diabetes, beans and whole grains
24:33 are probably the very BEST
24:35 entree for keeping the blood sugar low.
24:37 Why is it then that some vegetarians have
24:39 problems controlling their sugar?
24:42 Well you know, there are certain foods that somebody with
24:45 type 2 diabetes has to be very careful with. Like what?
24:49 Well, for example, if you sit down to breakfast,
24:54 and you break open the cantaloupe or different melons,
25:00 those melons, for some reason, probably because they are
25:06 lower in fiber than some of the other foods such as apples,
25:09 will RAISE the sugar through the roof. Is that right?
25:13 So, cantaloupes... what about strawberries?
25:14 Strawberries are much better.
25:16 What about blueberries?
25:18 You know, the best foods in the fruit category
25:21 for some with diabetes, are what we call the northern fruits
25:25 - that grow up in Michigan and Washington...
25:27 the apples, peaches, pears, all the fruits with pits, cherries.
25:35 Tomatoes? Some people say they are fruit.
25:36 Actually, tomatoes are not the best for some with diabetes.
25:40 I'm not saying NEVER eat them.
25:42 So apples, pears, peaches... And the fruits with pits.
25:48 The plums, the peaches, the cherries.
25:52 And the others, it doesn't mean you can't ever have them,
25:53 but you have to be very careful.
25:55 You have to be very careful.
25:56 And again, you want to have your goals...
25:58 Your blood sugar goals and so you want to be testing
26:01 your blood sugar and know where you are.
26:04 And if you're not meeting your goals,
26:05 then you might want to use FEWER of the
26:07 melons and more of the apples.
26:09 We've got about 1-1/2 minutes left and I want to ask you
26:12 this question because you are a Christian physician,
26:14 and you refer to the most healing book that I know of
26:17 and we both agree on this... This being the Bible.
26:19 Why would a Christian especially benefit from
26:24 tight blood sugar control?
26:26 Well, of course, there are a number of benefits
26:29 to tight blood sugar control.
26:30 For example, if you're not getting the sugar into the cell,
26:35 you're not FEEDING those cells.
26:37 And so, for example, the brain
26:39 isn't going to be fed properly as well.
26:42 But you know, one of the most important complications
26:45 of diabetes is heart disease.
26:48 In fact, over HALF of the individuals,
26:51 when they are first diagnosed
26:53 with diabetes ALREADY HAVE coronary heart disease.
26:58 In other words, they already have blockages in their arteries
27:01 and what we know now is that if you want to have
27:06 TOTAL HEALTH, THE VERY BEST HEALTH,
27:08 you'll want to have the VERY BEST CIRCULATION
27:12 OF THE BLOOD THROUGH YOUR ARTERIES.
27:13 So, in order to protect yourself from further blockages of
27:20 your arteries, you want to get
27:21 that blood sugar down as low as possible.
27:23 So not only can it help your heart,
27:25 but it can also help your head,
27:28 and it can keep your mind clear,
27:30 especially if you're a Christian, I guess anybody,
27:33 but we want Christians to especially have clear minds
27:36 as they are witnessing for the Lord.
27:38 We've been talking with Dr. Tim Arnott
27:40 We've been talking about diabetes.
27:42 We hope that you've learned some very helpful things,
27:44 I certainly have!
27:46 And we hope you've taken some notes
27:48 or contact 3ABN for more information.
27:50 Thanks for joining us, and we hope that you have
27:52 Health that Lasts for a Lifetime!


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