Participants: Don Mackintosh, Skip MacCarty
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000090
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00:47 Hello and welcome to Health for a Lifetime.
00:49 I'm your host Don Mackintosh. 00:50 Today it's my distinct privilege to have with us 00:53 Dr. MacCarty. 00:54 He's a doctor in ministry and over the last 20 years, 00:58 and even more than that, you've been dealing with people 01:01 in ministry and seeing them in all kinds of situations. 01:03 A minister, someone has said, is someone that works with 01:07 people when they're "hatched," when they're "matched," and 01:09 when they're "dispatched. " 01:10 You and I both share that together. 01:13 As a matter of fact we got to work together 01:15 a few years ago. 01:16 One of the things I've noticed is that during the happy times 01:20 and what-not, ministers - you can take them or leave them. 01:22 But when there is stress and when there's problems 01:25 there's nobody else that people want than a minister. 01:27 I remember you and I talking one time and you said to me, 01:30 "You know Don, you've got to pay the rent. " 01:32 "You got to take care of the things that are 01:34 really important. " 01:35 I think stress and the way we relate to it is very important. 01:39 That's why we're talking about the subject today. 01:42 What exactly is stress? 01:43 Stress has been referred to through the centuries 01:48 as times of difficulty for people, but what's new today 01:53 since the 1920's and 30's is that we know there's a 01:57 correlation between stress and health. 01:58 It wasn't until 1926 when the first medical researcher 02:03 wrote an article in which this correlation was demonstrated. 02:07 When he did that there was no word to describe what he was 02:11 trying to portray. 02:12 He was trying to portray that the pressures of life 02:15 damage our health and can damage our health and build to 02:21 a danger point. 02:22 So he looked around for a word to use to describe this 02:26 and he chose strictus - a Latin term which was the measurement 02:30 of the amount of pressure that could be placed on an object 02:33 before it collapsed. 02:35 It was an engineering term, actually, 02:36 He began to relate that, strictus, our word stress, 02:39 to health. 02:40 Since then its been gradually growing in the medical community 02:43 understanding that there is a direct relationship between 02:46 stress and health. 02:47 So like a Boa Constrictor - it just gets tighter and tighter - 02:49 that word strictus. 02:51 Interesting. 02:52 In your seminar, which I've looked at, that's an excellent 02:55 seminar, Beyond Coping, and it has been adopted by the 03:01 General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, 03:03 as I understand. 03:04 And you gave a lecture there at the 03:06 11th International Congress on Stress. 03:11 In that, as I looked at that, you have something called 03:15 the "Stress Tank. " 03:16 What exactly is that? 03:17 The stress tank came out of Australia. 03:23 I was looking for a model, as I put my seminar together, 03:27 that would show the relationship that the whole issues of stress 03:31 in one single graphic. 03:33 The stress tank helped me do that. 03:34 It starts out with a list of stressors. 03:38 We're subjected to stressors every day of our lives. 03:41 But if you think of your life as like a stress tank, or think 03:44 of at least all of us have a stress tank in our lives. 03:49 That tank is being filled every day by various kinds 03:54 of stressors - everything from: 04:02 Just an accumulation of little things. 04:03 It all adds up to stress. 04:07 If the tank reaches the top then that becomes serious. 04:11 So loss of job, trouble financially, relational 04:16 conflicts, a whole bunch of illnesses, all these different 04:20 things you have listed here. 04:21 I have a man that I was just visiting a couple hours 04:24 ago before I came here. 04:27 He had had one health problem 04:31 after another, after another, after another, and his cup 04:34 was, I guess you'd say, was running over in a bad way. 04:37 Yes, that can happen. 04:39 When we receive too much stress and we're not handling it 04:47 properly, then it builds to the overload point. 04:50 At that point various kinds of harm result. 04:53 There's a breakdown of health. 04:54 Medical researchers today are unanimous in saying somewhere 04:57 between 60- 90 percent of all visits to physicians are 05:01 health related. 05:02 The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health 05:06 estimates that 60- 80 percent of all industrial accidents are 05:09 stress related. 05:12 Relationships are effected adversely by too much stress. 05:16 There's just so many harmful things to take place when we 05:20 have too much stress. 05:21 We really have to be careful when these 05:25 types of things happen. 05:26 This is the time to pull together. 05:28 Right. 05:29 There's a fascinating research done at the 05:31 University of Chicago back in the 1970's. 05:34 The Salvotore Maddi and Suzanne Kobasa, 05:37 professors there at the University of Chicago, 05:40 researched 246 executives of AT&T during a time 05:46 when AT&T was breaking up. 05:48 The government monopoly was over and new companies were 05:53 coming in, new phone companies were coming in. 05:54 The red line on the graph shows the amount of stress that 06:00 executives were experiencing. 06:01 The green line, the lower line, shows the amount of illnesses 06:07 and visits to doctors that occurred. 06:08 The first two years when it looked like AT&T was... 06:11 people were loosing jobs and being transferred to positions 06:15 that they weren't qualified for, the stress went up parallel, 06:19 the visits to doctors went up parallel with the 06:22 amount of stress. 06:23 Fascinating. 06:24 So in other words, when they thought they were going to 06:26 loose their job, they were all uncomfortable, and everything, 06:29 they started to get sick at the same rate as 06:31 the stress was going up. 06:33 And then it leveled off for a couple years where it looked 06:35 like AT&T had weathered the storm and illnesses dropped. 06:38 When they beat the competition, so to speak, or it looked like 06:42 they were going to make it, they didn't get sick anymore. 06:45 Right. 06:46 Then after that next couple of years, about 1974 or 1976, 06:51 it began to climb again for the next six years parallel to the 06:54 amount of stress they were experiencing. 06:56 When they realized MCC, MCI, and Sprint and these other companies 07:01 were coming in and they were going to be tough competitors. 07:03 So there is a direct correlation. 07:07 I like that graph because it shows the direct correlation 07:11 between stress and illness. 07:12 Stress and illness - there's a real correlation. 07:15 We've really talked about some harmful effects of stress. 07:17 It's not just something to mess around with. 07:19 You can't just say, "Oh you're stressed out, everybody is. " 07:22 It is something you need to deal with. 07:24 That's right. 07:25 But there's good news too. 07:26 Well, yes, let's get to the good news. 07:27 What do we do to deal with it? 07:29 If we go back to the Stress Tank we find that 07:32 there is a pressure relief valve on the Stress Tank, so to speak. 07:35 So when pressure mounts to a high point, 07:41 the pressure relief valve - in fact the pressure relief valve 07:43 when it's fully open can keep it from mounting to an 07:46 extremely high point. 07:47 The acronym that I use for the seven keys to managing stress 07:57 is PREVENT. 07:58 When these keys are operating in our lives in a balanced way 08:01 it prevents the build up of stress to the harmful point. 08:05 So what are some of those keys? 08:10 What do you mean by viewpoint? 08:12 Viewpoint is your attitude toward life. 08:15 It's very, very important, extremely important. 08:19 In fact you can put these seven keys into a 08:22 hierarchical order. 08:25 I developed the stress management pyramid. 08:28 On the bottom of this pyramid you have those that are less 08:32 important and at the very top you have the most important. 08:36 It works up into a kind of hierarchical fashion. 09:02 Viewpoint is your attitude toward life. 09:04 You take a positive attitude toward life and you take 09:06 negative things that happen and you see positive potential 09:09 in those negative things that happen. 09:11 So last week when my truck got stuck in the mud - it was a 09:14 4- wheel drive, I was in Kansas, and I'm driving down the road 09:17 in a 4-wheel drive, I think I'm invincible, and I get stuck 09:20 and I can't even move. 09:21 I know you well enough - and you laughed about it! 09:24 Well, I got out and I sank down into the mud, so I got back in 09:28 my new truck, I had mud all over the truck, but you know what? 09:32 I thought this a peaceful time to just be able to study! 09:35 No one's going to interrupt me. 09:37 I made a phone call and 2-1/2 hours later 09:40 I had the best sermon illustration I've ever had! 09:42 You're exactly right. 09:43 So this is VIEWPOINT. 09:45 That's what we're talking about when we we're 09:46 talking about viewpoint among other things. 09:47 That's a very important part of it. 09:49 And then finally the spiritual integration at the very top 09:52 is extremely important. 09:54 Spiritual is pray, that's the top, that's the apex. 09:57 Exactly. 09:58 I had an experience one time a number of years ago, 10:02 where I learned how important the spiritual component was. 10:06 I was backpacking during the summer with my three sons. 10:09 My oldest, Michael, was 10 years old, my second oldest, Andrew, 10:14 was 7, and my youngest, Marcus, was 5. 10:16 We were up in the Highuenta area. 10:19 We had packed in 3 miles from the trail-head. 10:21 It was in a wilderness area. 10:23 We had a lake all to ourselves. 10:24 My two oldest Andrew and Michael pitched a tent about 30-40 yards 10:31 into the woods from us, Marcus and I, 10:33 to kind of show their independence. 10:36 They had been out a number of summers now and they kind of 10:38 do it on their own. 10:39 In the middle of the night I woke up to a blood curdling 10:43 scream and I recognized Andrew's voice. 10:44 That terrified you and increased your stress level. 10:49 I grabbed my flashlight, zipped my bag open, shined the light 10:53 to the trees, and saw the tent moving a little bit. 10:55 And of course my adrenalin levels went up even farther. 10:59 I raced out of my tent toward their tent, shining my 11:02 flashlight to make sure there weren't any predators around. 11:04 I couldn't see anything. 11:06 Then when I zipped their tent open I knew exactly 11:08 what had happened. 11:09 Andrew woke up in the middle of the night, he didn't know 11:13 where he was, he sat up and his head hit the top of the tent, 11:17 and then he knew he was in trouble. 11:18 It was pitch black and there my light was shining in his face. 11:22 That wasn't helping matters. 11:24 But if you could have seen his face - it was a look 11:27 of abject terror. 11:28 His adrenaline levels, his cortisone levels, were sky high. 11:31 That is what stress is. 11:32 Stress is a biochemical response to threatening circumstances - 11:36 anything we consider a threatening circumstance. 11:38 Even if it's not real. 11:39 Even if it is not real, that's exactly right. 11:41 And he was terrified. 11:44 So immediately I recognized that the light shining in his 11:47 face wasn't doing any good to anybody. 11:49 It was like a deer with the light in his face just kind of 11:52 staying stationary. 11:53 So I shined it back on my own face, just turned it back on 11:56 my face so he could see my face. 11:58 In the next 30 seconds or less this is what happened. 12:02 He just said two words, "Oh, Daddy!" 12:05 His face totally melted into complete peace. 12:09 Complete peace. 12:10 He laid down and he was sound asleep in seconds. 12:13 Within seconds! 12:15 And I went back to my bag that night and I thought, 12:17 this is just awesome what's happened here. 12:19 I thought this is exactly what the spiritual component 12:22 is all about. 12:23 Nothing could have reduced his stress level so quickly, 12:28 so deeply, as that experience. 12:31 Because there was somebody he knew and trusted and had 12:35 confidence in that was his protector at that time. 12:39 The spiritual relationship is developing a faith and trust 12:44 in God over a period of time in everyday experiences 12:47 when the panic time comes then we know Him face to face. 12:51 You still may panic but then you remember, oh yes, my 12:55 Heavenly Father is here and you can relax and it's a 12:59 powerful stress reliever. 13:00 That's the ultimate stress relief valve, wow! 13:05 Pressure relief valve. 13:06 Andrew doing fine now? 13:07 He's doing great! - laughter - 13:09 Does he camp that far away now? 13:11 We haven't been camping lately. 13:13 He is now a CPA in Denver. 13:15 Well, he has a different kind of stress. 13:18 He probably calls Dad now and then and says, 13:20 "What do I do now in this situation. " 13:21 He's actually learned to handle things very well. 13:23 These 7 keys again: 13:27 eating healthfully, exercise, relaxation, 13:32 time management, love relationships, 13:33 viewpoint, and spiritual integration. 13:35 In your seminar, Beyond Coping, you probably developed these 13:39 a lot further, don't you? 13:40 Yes, that's what we do. 13:41 It's a 12 hour seminar and we take each one of these keys 13:45 and we show how it relates to stress management 13:47 among other things. 13:49 We just unpack them one by one. 13:50 How are people responding to this? 13:52 Does it help them? 13:54 Fantastically! Fantastically! 13:56 I just held a seminar and trained 90 people at 13:59 Andrews University where they came in from around the country. 14:02 The NAD, the North American Division of Seventh-day 14:04 Adventists, sent them there to be trained. 14:05 Some Seminary students were there. 14:07 And just got wonderful response afterwards. 14:11 I spend most of my time now training trainers to be able 14:14 to do these seminars. 14:16 That must be gratifying. 14:17 I'm sure they have all kinds of stories that ultimately they 14:20 tell you much like the story you just told about Andrew 14:23 about how people's lives are changed. 14:25 Right. 14:26 We've been talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty. 14:28 He's a doctor in ministry and he's been dealing with people 14:31 in stressful situations for many years. 14:33 Now he's at that time of life where he's able to help others 14:36 know how to deal with this both personally and in 14:39 group settings. 14:40 We're excited about this material but more than that 14:43 we're excited that you've joined us today. 14:45 When we come back we want to look further at stress. 14:47 What are some ineffective ways with coping with stress 14:50 and how can we avoid them. 14:51 We hope you join us when we come back. 14:55 Have you found yourself wishing that you could 14:57 shed a few pounds? 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17:06 Are there people that get stressed out and then they have 17:08 ineffective ways of dealing with stress? 17:10 Interesting that you would ask that because the ways that 17:15 people often cope with stress: 17:23 These are things that work short-term for people 17:26 but in the long run they boomerang. 17:28 I noticed that you used the acronym CLOSE. 17:31 Is this what you mean by that - that it just closes off 17:34 the real effective? 17:36 Well, it closes the pressure relief valve. 17:38 We've talked before about the 7 keys to managing stress. 17:43 Open the pressure relief valve, drain the stress tank 17:45 to a safe level. 17:46 These behaviors that we've just talked about - 17:52 caffeine, alcohol - they close the pressure relief valve. 17:56 It doesn't seem like it, but ultimately, in the long run, 18:01 it closes those. 18:02 Stress builds and we're not really managing stress healthy. 18:05 Do different people relate differently to stress? 18:07 Can I relate to more stress than you or you more than me 18:11 perhaps in some settings? 18:12 People can handle different amounts of stress. 18:15 I illustrate this in the stress tank by the size of the tank. 18:19 Some people have larger stress tanks. 18:21 They can deal with more stress at any one time 18:25 in their lives. 18:26 There are various ways that the size of our stress tank 18:31 are created. 18:32 The only one that we don't have control over is our 18:36 endowment or heredity that's given to us. 18:38 But the others: 18:48 We can do something about all those things. 18:51 All are ways to create larger stress tanks. 18:55 This is just kind of how we're created, how we're built. 18:57 My wife can really tolerate certain types of stress 19:02 quite a bit. 19:03 For instance, I'm probably one of her major stressors, right?! 19:06 I'm just joking with that. 19:10 But there are some things that she just really, really, really 19:13 does well with. 19:14 There are some things that she doesn't do as well with 19:16 that I do better with. 19:18 We kind of balance each other out. 19:22 When I'm down, she's up. 19:24 We work well together. 19:27 I noticed something there - executive hardiness. 19:29 I'd like to have that. 19:30 What is that? 19:31 It sounds good. 19:32 Remember that graph we looked at when AT&T was studied by the 19:38 professors at the University of Chicago? 19:39 As the stress levels rose, except for a 2 year period 19:44 when the stress had leveled out, the illnesses rose 19:46 parallel to the stress levels. 19:48 There were 246 executives at AT&T that were studied. 19:52 There was a group of those executives that did not follow 19:54 that pattern. 19:55 They maintained good health through that 19:56 whole period of time. 19:57 There were three characteristics that Salvotore Maddi and 20:02 Suzanne Kobasa discovered among those executives that maintained 20:06 good health, and they called them "The Big 3." 20:08 The wrote a book afterwards called 20:10 "The Hardy Executive: Health Under Stress" 20:12 Those characteristics were first of all, CONTROL. 20:17 3 C's - Control 20:21 The executives that maintained their health during that time 20:25 even though AT&T was firing some of them, others were being 20:30 moved to jobs they weren't even trained for, or whatever, 20:33 there was a very distressful time, they kept reminding 20:37 themselves AT&T did not have control of their lives. 20:39 They could fire them but there was other jobs out there. 20:42 They had been trained well and they could get 20:44 other jobs if they wanted to. 20:46 Control was a big factor. 20:47 Just their sense that I'm still in control of my life. 20:50 That sense of being in control was one of the factors that 20:53 helped them. 20:54 Do you think that was a choice they made? 20:55 It was a choice. 20:57 It's an attitude that you carry with you about life 21:00 that when you get in a stressful situation you still have control 21:02 of your life. 21:03 The second characteristic, the second "C," is CHALLENGE. 21:08 They accepted these dramatic changes taking place in their 21:14 life as a challenge. 21:16 It's very interesting the Chinese word for crisis 21:20 is a compound word made up of two words. 21:23 One is "danger" the other is "opportunity. " 21:27 Hmm... neat! 21:28 I read that one time and so I talked to a Chinese student 21:32 at Andrews University and said, "Is this true?" 21:33 He went and got his Chinese dictionary and he showed me. 21:35 Absolutely true! 21:37 The word for crisis in Chinese is made up of 21:38 danger and opportunity, those two words, a compound word. 21:43 Explain what it means. 21:46 What it means for stress management, what it meant 21:48 for these executives that were not getting ill, 21:50 as stress levels rose, was that they looked upon the changes 21:55 taking place, that were quite threatening if you got fired 21:58 from a career that you've been with for a long time, 22:00 thought you might be there until retirement, and you're 22:02 suddenly fired because of changes taking place in society, 22:05 that can be quite threatening. 22:06 They looked at that as an opportunity, as a challenge. 22:10 Stress management is being able to look at every 22:14 stressful situation as an opportunity. 22:16 I had an experience just a short time ago. 22:20 I was giving a presentation at Willow Creek Community Church 22:24 in Chicago. 22:25 They asked me to come down and start with a group of maybe 22:28 30 staff members. 22:29 They were the lower level staff members 22:31 of that huge congregation with 500 staff members. 22:33 I gave a one hour presentation one day, one hour presentation 22:37 the next day. 22:38 In the first day I brought up these "3 C's" and explained 22:42 the "3 C's" and CHALLENGE being one of them and every 22:46 stressful situation is an opportunity. 22:48 The second day as we came back to our session, a lady 22:51 raised her hand and she said, "I've got to tell you 22:54 this story. " 22:55 "On my way home from work last night, I was on the freeway 22:59 in Chicago and my car broke down. 23:01 So I got on my cell phone and I called my husband. " 23:05 He said, "Honey, I'm just putting my golf clubs in the 23:09 car, I'm going golfing, get the car fixed. " 23:12 Oh my, sounds like a very sensitive guy! 23:15 She said, "Ordinarily I would have gone through the roof, 23:18 that would have been war. 23:19 But I immediately thought this is a CHALLENGE, 23:22 this is an opportunity. 23:23 Somewhere there is an opportunity here. " 23:25 So she called and found out there was a service company 23:30 close by that took care of cars on the highway. 23:35 They got her right in there, she got the car fixed, she was 23:39 home before her husband got home from golfing, 23:41 she was home, car was in the garage. 23:43 He drove in the driveway, drove in the garage, he didn't 23:46 come in for some period of time. 23:47 - laughter - I'm sure he didn't! 23:49 Then he came in and his first words to her were, 23:52 "They didn't fix the car right. " 23:54 And she said to the class, "Again that was a war 23:58 statement for me. " 23:59 Yes, it was! 24:01 But she said, "Honey, let me tell you the story. " 24:02 "God was so good because when the car broke down, there was a 24:06 service repair person close by, he came right out, got the 24:10 car fixed, it's running fine, and if it's not perfect it's 24:13 still running fine. " 24:14 She said, "Immediately his whole attitude, his whole 24:17 spirit changed and we had a wonderful evening together 24:20 instead of an evening of war which we would have 24:21 had otherwise. " 24:22 So looking at stressful situations as an opportunity, 24:26 as a challenge is a second characteristic they found 24:30 in those 3 C's. 24:31 The third one was something called COMMITMENT. 24:34 These executives that maintained good health while all these 24:38 changes were taking place, these executives were committed 24:43 to certain values that AT&T can't change our values. 24:46 We're committed to these important people in our life 24:50 and they can't change those things. 24:51 CONTROL, CHALLENGE, COMMITMENT 24:54 were keys to their health. 24:56 So remembering the 3 C's. 24:58 CONTROL, CHALLENGE, COMMITMENT 25:02 That is executive hardiness. 25:04 Well, we have about 3 minutes left and I don't mean to stress 25:06 you out with that, but is there anything else we should know 25:09 about stress or the stress tank? 25:10 Well, there is one other element to this. 25:14 We know that too much stress, overloaded stress, can cause 25:21 various kinds of harm. 25:22 We've been talking about that. 25:24 But one of the interesting things that research has brought 25:27 out about stress is that you can have too little stress. 25:30 In fact Dr. Hans Sale, the father of stress management, 25:33 the one who wrote the first article in 1926, the one that 25:36 wrote the first book in 1950 on stress, he believed 25:47 that too little stress is actually more harmful than 25:49 too much stress. 25:50 You'll notice that the pressure relief valve on the stress tank 25:55 does not drain the stress levels all the way down to the bottom 25:59 because we need some stress. 26:01 That's distress, that's harmful stress. 26:04 The positive stress in our life is called "Eustress" 26:09 The little prefix "eu" is a Greek prefix coming from... 26:13 it means good and eulogy means speaking well of somebody, 26:16 and euphoria is a feeling of well being. 26:19 We need a certain amount of stress to feel good. 26:24 So we need to be right in the middle of that tank? 26:25 We need to have some stress. 26:27 Now there's stress not to have and there's stress that's 26:30 valuable to have. 26:31 And the stress not to have is... the Bible has a whole lot 26:36 of counsel, commandments, that if we keep them we'll be 26:42 protected from stress that has no real purpose. 26:46 So the commandments like - Thou shalt have no other 26:49 god's before Me - if we have a multiplicity gods 26:52 it will confuse us. 26:53 Or steal, don't commit adultery - that gets you into 26:56 a lot of stress. 26:57 Yes, a lot of stress that we're being protected from. 27:00 However, keeping those same commandments will at times 27:03 cause stress, it will create stress, people will turn 27:07 against us, and that's the kind of stress that we want. 27:10 Eustress is positive stress, beneficial stress. 27:12 So coming out of Egypt, getting out of the bad situation, 27:15 that was stressful, out of their comfort zone. 27:18 Exercise is putting yourself under stress. 27:22 Setting goals, working to achieve goals, these are 27:24 positive stress, valuable stress that we need in our lives. 27:28 The name of the seminar is Stress Beyond Coping. 27:32 We've been talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty. 27:35 These are resource materials that I know you would greatly 27:39 benefit from. 27:40 We hope that today's program will give you a sense of 27:43 CONTROL, will CHALLENGE you and will also lead you to make 27:47 COMMITMENTS that you need to, to God and to others 27:50 as you start to understand more fully these 7 keys. 27:53 We hope that you also have 27:54 health that lasts for a lifetime. |
Revised 2014-12-17