Participants: Skip MacCarty, Don Mackintosh
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000106
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00:48 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:49 I'm your host Don Mackintosh 00:50 Today, we're going to be talking about stress. 00:52 Are you stressed out? 00:53 What can you do about it? 00:54 Joining us is Dr. Skip MacCarty 00:57 He has done stress seminars 01:00 for what - over 20 years now? Correct 01:02 And you pull together a lot of different elements... 01:04 when you look at this problem of stress, 01:07 you've designed a seminar called, "Beyond Coping" 01:10 that can be used in communities or however people want to use it 01:14 but it's designed for that and you're working with the 01:17 Church Ministries Department of the General Conference... 01:19 I think here at 3ABN they know all about that as well, 01:21 I can get you in touch with it, but you look at these 01:24 different keys and you look at a stress tank as an overall... 01:26 stress tank as an overall... 01:28 what would you say - an overall model. Right 01:31 Catch us up to speed on this. 01:33 Okay Don, the stress tank literally invites us to 01:36 think of our lives as a tank and we're subjected to stress 01:41 every day of our lives - that's like the stress being 01:44 poured into our tank and if it fills up to the overflow point, 01:48 where we get overloaded with stress - you got problems... 01:51 You have all kinds of harm, physical illnesses, 01:53 accident proneness, mental impairment, 01:57 it affects relationships adversely, etcetera. 02:00 Fortunately, there is a pressure relief valve on the tank 02:04 that can drain stress to the safe levels. 02:08 There are ways to close that pressure relief valve 02:13 by alcohol and tobacco - ways people generally rely on 02:17 to help them with stress... It doesn't really help. 02:19 Well it does in the short-term, very short, however, 02:22 but it's damaging in the long run. 02:24 And the way that the pressure relief valve drains stress, 02:30 and prevents stress from building to the harmful point 02:33 is by 7 keys of stress management. 02:35 There are 7 keys... 02:42 You're going to talk about eating healthy. 02:44 Today, we want to talk about eating healthy. Okay great 02:46 Well, let's GET AT IT... what is the relationship 02:50 between stress and what we eat? 02:53 Well, if we look at our stress management pyramid, 02:56 that we've developed, at the bottom level you have 03:01 components that aren't as directly related to stress 03:05 as at the top levels. 03:06 The bottom 4 components of the stress management pyramid; 03:09 these are the 7 keys again and they are just arranged in 03:12 hierarchal order moving upward, 03:14 and to the most important at the very top... 03:17 And, you see that eating healthy comes down toward the bottom, 03:21 but those bottom 4 you could arrange in any 03:23 different configuration there; 03:25 someone put that up quite a bit higher, some nutritionist. 03:27 But there is a relationship between 03:31 stress and eating healthfully. 03:32 If you look at the 10 leading causes of death 03:36 in the United States, 80% of the deaths in the United States 03:40 are from these 10 leading causes... 03:44 Like heart disease, cancer, stroke... That's right 03:46 And 4 of these... heart disease, cancer and stroke 03:49 are all diet-related. 03:50 They account for 65% of the deaths in the United States, 03:54 just those 3 alone and they're all diet-related, 03:58 so diet is very important to stress. 04:01 If you look at the others on that list, you can pick up 04:04 another one - diabetes is directly diet-related, 04:07 and as is atherosclerosis - so 5 really. 04:10 Five of the 10 top reasons... 04:13 Even suicide, many more are drinking or on drugs 04:16 something they ingest. That's right... 04:18 Accidents, suicide, cirrhosis, are all, as you say, 04:24 alcohol-related and so 7 of the 10, really, 04:27 or 8 of the 10 on that list are, as you say, what you ingest. 04:31 So okay, how then do we eat to 04:34 alleviate or to lessen our stress? 04:37 Well, it's a good question and, of course, there are many 04:42 ideas out there as to how we should eat to be healthy, 04:48 and we're thinking about particularly relieving stress 04:51 because if you are under a lot of stress... 04:56 If you're ill, then you can't handle stress as well... 05:00 There's a direct relationship between illness and stress... 05:03 And stress can create illness, 05:05 but also, illness keeps you from handling stress as well. 05:08 So, the first item on our list - 05:10 We going to make 3 suggestions and the first is to 05:12 eat the right kinds of food. 05:14 Very simple - eat the right kinds of food. 05:16 And we'll talk maybe about what some of those are perhaps. 05:18 Well, that's what we should do, I think... 05:21 And there are all kinds of ideas 05:24 as to what the right kinds of foods are. 05:25 The world is filled with conflicting ideas of that. 05:29 And, for my seminar, I've chosen to rely on one of the 05:35 most prestigious reports ever produced 05:40 in the history of the planet on nutrition. 05:43 It was the Surgeon General's report on 05:45 nutrition and health of 1988, still a seminal study... 06:12 And out of that, they came up with 5 recommendations. 06:17 Crystallizing from the 2,500 studies down to 06:20 5 simple recommendations. Okay what are those 5? 06:23 All right, recommendation #1 was to eat foods 06:26 low in cholesterol and fat. 06:30 Cholesterol and fat - we all hear about cholesterol, 06:32 how it's negative on us - it can lead to heart disease; 06:34 it can lead to many other problems... 06:37 And cholesterol, though it is necessary, 06:39 it's something that we need to lessen. Okay 06:43 And it's necessary because it has 06:47 certain positive functions. 06:49 Hormones all those different kind of things 06:51 we hear about that it's used, and in fact, 06:52 the liver makes it, so we know it has some use. 06:55 Yeah, in fact, the body makes ALL the cholesterol it needs, 06:58 so we don't need to ingest cholesterol. 07:00 And then the other thing you had there was fat as well. Yes 07:03 And of course, the body needs fat too. 07:05 Some people need more, some people need less. 07:09 You can kind of tell by looking sometimes, 07:11 although that's not really the most accurate thing, 07:13 but certainly there is a place for fat again 07:16 in positive ways in the body. Absolutely... 07:19 We need fat in our diet. 07:21 We need fat in our body. 07:23 And it's recommended now, the cholesterol foods, 07:26 foods that contain cholesterol, are only the animal products. 07:31 You can't ingest cholesterol through vegetable products, 07:34 except I understand coconut oil 07:37 or something has some cholesterol. 07:39 Anything that has a face or a mother, we need to avoid, 07:43 that's what some people say. 07:44 Anything with a face or a mother... okay - yep! 07:46 Right, and of course, when we're talking about this, 07:48 probably in America, you know, those that watch 07:49 from around the world are going, "Boy, I wish 07:51 I had something with cholesterol fat in it because many people 07:54 around the world today are starving, 07:56 and that causes stress too - when you don't have any food. 07:58 But certainly in an affluent society with overabundance, 08:02 we want to lessen the amount of cholesterol and fat. 08:05 Right... Now it's interesting that some people have 08:10 high cholesterol who don't eat animal products. 08:12 They wonder how that's possible. 08:14 Because I've been told by nutritionists that when 08:17 we eat high fat diets, that our body actually creates... 08:22 it makes more cholesterol in order to process that extra fat. 08:27 So it does raise our cholesterol levels even though 08:29 we're not ingesting cholesterol from animal products. 08:32 So we have to be careful not to eat too much fat. 08:34 Yes, some people certainly do have that genetic predisposition 08:39 to make high cholesterol and that's another issue. 08:41 I mean, that's a pretty big issue. 08:44 So, we need some fat, we need some cholesterol. 08:48 How can we keep track of the amount of fat? 08:50 What have you used or what do you teach people 08:52 in your stress management seminar on 08:54 how to keep track of that. 08:56 Well, we're quite fortunate in this country, 08:57 we have labels on products, 09:00 and there are good books and material available to help us 09:04 understand how much fat is in certain products 09:06 but particularly, in this country, labels will 09:09 generally tell you - when you go to the store 09:11 and buy products, how much fat there is in products... 09:14 And the more processed it is, it tends to be higher in fat. 09:18 Foods as grown are usually less. Yes 09:20 Foods that are not as grown... Correct 09:23 If you eat a potato, it's not very much... 09:26 If you eat a Pringle, it is... There you go 09:34 Also, you have to watch the kinds of fats 09:37 because trans fats, which are fats that are processed fat, 09:40 anything that says, hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils, 09:44 in a product means it has been processed in such a way 09:47 that it's much more harmful to the body than just 09:50 the natural oils and natural fats. 09:53 Okay, so keeping track of those, 09:56 watching your numbers with the fats, 09:58 looking at cholesterol - making sure that's low, 10:01 especially if you're in a society 10:04 that is affluent like America. 10:06 What's the second recommendation? 10:07 The second recommendation is to eat foods that are high in 10:11 complex carbohydrates and fiber. 10:14 Okay, foods high in complex carbohydrates and fiber. 10:18 The Surgeon General's report went on to make the statement: 10:42 So complex carbohydrates would be foods as grown again, 10:46 not processed - to have an apple instead of apple juice, 10:49 to have a potato instead of... 10:50 Fruits, grains, exactly - vegetables. 10:55 Now many times, what they say is because of the fact 10:57 that the body breaks that down slow and over time, 11:01 it's the difference between putting lighter fluid 11:03 in your car versus gasoline. 11:05 One would cause an explosion, 11:06 the other will help you get down the road further. Right 11:09 And we've got a slide showing what happens to a potato. 11:14 When you refine a potato, going from just a basic potato 11:18 on the one hand to a... these are the high complex 11:21 carbohydrates and high fiber foods... Fruits, grains 11:24 vegetables, legumes... Yes 11:25 Here's what happens to a potato... 11:27 If you just bake it, you have 125 calories. 11:32 If you French fry it, that goes up significantly... 11:36 530- They say that's about 70% fat too - French fries 11:40 Okay, if you potato chip it, then you're up a very high 11:45 percentage fat and you Pringles it, the Pringles Originals, 11:48 OHH YES! Then you're sky-high! 11:51 Refined city - so to speak. 11:53 Unfortunately, we like to hear good news about our bad habits 11:55 and you're not sharing that with us today, are you? 11:58 Ten times as many calories and those calories are from 12:01 added fat in a potato when you go from just a baked potato 12:06 to Pringles Original. 12:08 So, what they say in the little quip is, 12:10 "The fat you eat is the fat you wear" 12:13 So if you eat those things, you can assure yourself 12:18 not only of health problems, but then what you're saying 12:21 in your seminar is that there is nothing more stressful 12:24 than having one of those 10 MAJOR KILLERS. 12:26 That's right, the major killers of diseases that affect us... 12:30 cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes... 12:34 It not only affects the people that they affect, 12:36 but also their family members and what a great stress on 12:38 society and communities and families, 12:40 churches and everything else. 12:42 We're talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty 12:44 We're talking about stress... 12:46 How we can get beyond just coping and thriving. 12:49 It's an exciting seminar that has all the essential keys, 12:52 and we're talking about diet today as it relates to stress. 12:54 We hope that you can join us when we come back. 13:03 Have you found yourself wishing 13:04 that you could shed a few pounds? 13:06 Have you been on a diet for most of your life, 13:08 but not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 13:11 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 13:14 then we have a solution for you that works. 13:17 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 13:19 have written a marvelous booklet called... 13:22 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 13:24 and we'd like to send it to you FREE of charge. 13:27 Here's a medically sound approach successfully 13:29 used by thousands who were able to eat more and lose weight 13:32 permanently without feeling guilty or hungry 13:35 through lifestyle medicine. 13:37 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been featured on 3ABN, 13:41 and in this booklet, they present a sensible approach 13:43 to eating, nutrition and lifestyle changes 13:46 that can help you prevent heart disease, diabetes, 13:48 and even cancer. 13:50 Call or write today for your free copy of... 13:52 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 13:54 and you could be on your way to a healthier, happier YOU! 13:57 It's absolutely free of charge, so call or write today. 14:04 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty 14:06 We're talking about stress and foods that can help 14:09 alleviate or further decrease our stress. 14:13 We've talked about several different 14:15 principles that can help us. 14:16 We should eat foods that are low in cholesterol and fat. 14:19 We should eat foods that are 14:20 high in complex carbohydrates and fiber. 14:23 And so, what else can we learn about foods that can 14:26 reduce our stress? 14:28 Well, I would like to just show you a couple of slides, Don, 14:31 that have impacted significantly the way that I eat today. 14:35 The first slide is just a typical diet... 14:40 A standard American diet.. A typical meal 14:44 And we have here, a glass of whole milk, 80 calories, 14:49 a baked potato - that's supposed to be clean, 14:52 without anything on it, but I couldn't find a clip art 14:56 without something on the potato, 14:57 so it shows you what is in the psyche... 15:01 Yeah, it shows 125 calories, 150 calories... 15:05 And then, those are not French fries, 15:08 those are carrot sticks there. Okay, good 15:11 And some broccoli, 25 calories each. 15:15 And then, I've got a lean steak there. 15:18 I don't recommend this to people eating flesh foods, 15:23 but it's a typical American meal. 15:26 And then, you have a dinner roll 60 calories, a salad 15 calories 15:32 and an apple for supper. 15:34 I shouldn't say that's a typical American meal, 15:36 but those are elements of that meal. 15:39 And notice the total calories for that meal, 15:41 you add them all up - it's a pretty good helping there; 15:45 575 calories - you could even have a second helping 15:48 of most of that and you'd be under 1,000 calories. 15:53 Now, the next slide simply adds a little something 15:58 to each of those items... A little butter on the potato 16:00 You take the skim milk - I think I said that was whole 16:03 milk before, it was skim milk before. 16:04 You take the skim milk and make it whole milk, 16:06 and you've doubled the number of calories, from 80 to 160. 16:09 Some people would say, cut that out altogether. 16:12 What's the next one? Yes, that's right... 16:13 Okay, and you put some butter and maybe a little sour cream 16:17 on the potato and you go from 125 to 250 calories. 16:21 You put a pat of butter on your cooked carrots, 16:25 and you go from 25 to 50 calories. 16:27 The same thing with the broccoli. TOPPINGS! 16:30 That's right, just toppings - that's all we're doing, 16:31 it's the same meal, basically. Right 16:34 And you marble the steak... 16:36 Once again, we're not recommending flesh foods, 16:38 but the typical American meal, marble the steak here, 16:43 and you put some butter on the bun, 16:45 you go from 60 to 120 calories. 16:48 Ala mode for the pie - that's apple pie ala mode, 16:52 it looks like that's cherry pie actually, 16:54 but I couldn't find, again, clip art for an apple, 16:57 but pie ala mode - you go from 70 to 500 calories right there 17:05 in one jump and then you just put some... 17:09 French, Italian, all the different nations on the salad. 17:10 Now we're talking about the good stuff, 17:11 not the real low cal stuff but the good stuff on your 17:15 salad there, some dressing, and you go from 15 to 80, 17:18 so look at the total calories, now... 17:20 1,500 calories - you've tripled the number of calories, 17:23 the number of calories, and what have you added? 17:25 Just some toppings. 17:27 All you've added is toppings, you've just added fat. 17:29 So what you're saying is... 17:30 "Stoppings to the toppings" Is that what you're saying? 17:34 "Stoppings to the toppings? Not a bad formula, 17:35 but you know, I saw that slide in a program; 17:37 I was running a program with a nutritionist who was making 17:41 these presentations and put those 2 slides up... 17:44 And I went home - I used to eat more like the first slide, 17:48 without the steak there, but I buttered my bread 17:53 pretty heavily and the more the better, 17:55 and I didn't like 2% milk, it was too watery... 18:00 You want something you can almost bite into... 18:02 I started slowly cutting down on the amount of butter 18:05 I was putting on my bread and the amount of toppings 18:07 that I was putting on my food... 18:08 And over a period of time, it didn't happen immediately, 18:11 but over a period of several years, 18:14 I got to the place I actually enjoyed my bread 18:16 without any butter on it at all. 18:18 Somehow the bread tastes better now. 18:21 So it can be done - it doesn't have to be stress-producing 18:26 to be topping-reducing... is that a good way to put it? 18:30 That's the way I meant to say it. 18:32 So you actually could have a good time... 18:34 The foods that do have a certain 18:37 taste because of all these toppings, 18:39 they can taste good without those. 18:40 We just have to re-educate ourself to not have the fat. 18:43 By the way, you know, I did hear a statistic once that 18:45 it takes about 90 days to re-train your body 18:49 to not like the fat taste or have to be dependent on it. 18:53 So it's about 3 months, I suppose, that you would 18:58 have to just discipline yourself. 19:01 When we realize that, in fact, we are adding 19:04 stress on our lives, putting stress on our bodies, 19:07 to be ingesting these foods, the high fat diet, 19:11 then it helps us if we just keep 19:14 reminding ourselves about that... 19:15 And you know what, you can do it almost painlessly 19:18 by just cutting down little, by little, by little. 19:21 You don't have to stop eating all chips, 19:23 but you just buy one bag instead 19:25 of 2 bags the next time you go to the store, 19:27 and don't go to the store for more and to just start 19:32 cutting back a little at a time until you've significantly 19:37 changed the way you eat if right now you're eating 19:41 the high fat, low fiber diet. 19:43 You were talking about these recommendations 19:45 from the Surgeon General, the first one you talked about 19:47 was decrease cholesterol and fat, 19:49 increase complex carbohydrates and fiber, 19:52 and anything else that they talked about? 19:54 Well yes, the next item was to eat foods low in salt. 20:01 That was their next recommendation, 20:02 eat foods low in salt. 20:04 And there is a stress researcher, Dr. Ronald Nathan, 20:07 and several other authors that wrote regarding research 20:15 related to salt and stress. They wrote... 20:30 So there is some research basis for the connection between 20:34 a high salt diet and stress as well. 20:37 So cutting back in salt helps. 20:39 And that's not the only research I've heard on that. 20:42 That's very interesting, you know... 20:43 I guess after somebody has a bag of chips, 20:45 you better watch out, they might get irritated 20:47 because it's so high in salt and different things, 20:48 but I certainly have heard other studies that 20:51 are certainly related to the mood and sensorium 20:54 of an individual or the stress. 20:56 And, well you know, it makes sense... 20:59 You've probably seen this in 21:00 your research as well or what you've read. 21:02 If your blood sugar gets low or high or you're out of balance, 21:07 you, #1, get stressed out and 21:09 you start stressing other people out. 21:11 So certainly makes sense, that is fascinating 21:14 really, about the salt. 21:15 Anything else? 21:17 Yes, #4 on their list was to avoid or restrict 21:23 the use of alcohol or tobacco. 21:26 Tobacco actually wasn't part of this particular study, 21:28 but from other reports from the Surgeon General, 21:31 that I've included here, but particularly alcohol. 21:34 Avoid or restrict the use of alcohol as another 21:37 recommendation that they had. 21:39 Well that makes good sense, speaking as a former 21:43 emergency room nurse, we saw 70% of the people 21:46 that came in from any accident was alcohol-related, 21:49 and talk about the stress that brought not only to individual 21:53 but to every part of society. 21:56 You know, World Health Organization now says 21:58 you really shouldn't even drink any... so good research. 22:04 Okay, anything else from the Surgeon General? 22:05 Well, they've summed up their recommendations in 22:09 the food pyramid that you see all over the place today. 22:13 This was the result of their research. 22:17 That's where this food pyramid ultimately came from. 22:19 And, as most of us know by now, they suggest loading up on 22:25 the whole grains and pastas and so forth, 22:32 whole grain items on the bottom, the cereals, the breads, pastas, 22:35 whole grain pastas. 22:36 And then as you move up the top, 22:39 also eat liberally of vegetables and fruits, 22:43 and then more sparingly. 22:45 The farther you get up the top on this particular pyramid, 22:48 you actually reduce your intake of these items. 22:52 Meat groups, milk groups; of course this is 22:53 for the general public. That's right 22:57 And even vegetarian... 22:58 Yes, even in the vegetarian one, the more processed the food, 23:01 the more paltry the serving. That's exactly right. 23:04 I think our next slide will show the vegetarian pyramid. Okay 23:07 In the vegetarian pyramid, again, you load up on 23:11 the whole grains, breads... Complex carbohydrates and 23:14 all those different things, you mentioned fibers. Right 23:15 Vegetables and the fruits and then as you move up, 23:18 here we are more processed now again... 23:20 And legumes can either be up in the... 23:23 The vegetarian pyramid, in order to kind of be a counterpart 23:28 to the regular food pyramid, 23:30 has legumes up in the meat alternative group, 23:32 but legumes could also be included down 23:35 in the whole grain section. 23:37 It can be included down there, so legumes could go either way. 23:40 Nuts up in that area and then your soy products. 23:46 The more refined products, as you say, 23:47 as you move toward the top, you want to use more sparingly. 23:52 The further you move up that pyramid, you know, 23:53 what I've heard is - If you're in real trouble, 23:56 the top part of the pyramid needs to be very, very sparingly 23:59 to try and reverse things and getting down to the 24:02 lower part of the pyramid. Right 24:03 What about water, how much water is sufficient? 24:05 Okay, water is important and from what I've read on this, 24:12 the average person needs 6-8 glasses 24:18 of 6-8 ounces each glass a day, 24:22 and that's if you're working harder, 24:24 or it's hot and you're perspiring more, 24:26 you'll need more. 24:28 But you can't totally trust your sense of thirst. Right 24:35 Especially when you get older or younger. 24:37 We need more and our brains operate better, 24:39 we think more clearly, we're more alert when we have water. 24:42 So it's a good thing to see that in our age, 24:45 people are carrying around these bottles of water. 24:48 This reminds me - I think I'm going to take a drink right now. 24:50 That's a healthy "fad" kind of in our age today, 24:54 and it's popular to be carrying around bottles of water, 24:56 and sipping on the water through the day, 24:57 but you want to make sure get plenty. 24:59 If you drink a couple of large glasses when you 25:02 wake up in the morning, that gets the day off to a 25:04 really good start and then you just 25:07 take some water throughout the day. 25:09 Okay, we know what the right kind of foods are, 25:11 but what's the next step, would we talk about. 25:13 The next step would be to eat foods in the right amounts. 25:18 Okay, right amounts. 25:20 In the right amount - that's correct. 25:21 And you can tell right amounts by weight 25:24 as one indicator. 25:28 If you eat too much food, you have sleep loss. 25:32 It's sometimes harder to get the sleep, 25:34 particularly if you eat a lot of food at night. 25:35 The right kinds of foods, the right amounts. 25:37 Eating the right amounts... 25:38 And drowsy, if you get real drowsy, 25:42 just after you eat a meal, oftentimes that an indicator 25:45 of too much and if you feel too full, 25:47 that generally means you've eaten too much. 25:49 We generally suggest - eat a large breakfast... 25:52 And, in fact, there is research done in the Breslow Study 25:57 we've talked about before, Breslow research, 25:59 showing that people who eat a large breakfast, 26:02 who eat breakfast regularly, have a longer lifespan. 26:06 And it's also the #1 way to lose weight, they say. 26:08 If you eat a large breakfast, it's really related to that. 26:11 Okay... because you tend to eat the fruits and the whole grains, 26:16 more in the breakfast. 26:17 And then usually if you eat in the morning, 26:18 you don't eat at night which is when the weight 26:20 really gets added. Okay 26:23 The final thing is to eat foods at the right times. 26:27 And the right times is very simple - it's meal times. 26:30 When you eat snack foods, if you eat between meals, 26:35 generally, you're eating snack foods, 26:36 the higher refined foods, the higher calorie foods, 26:39 less vitamins and nutrients in those foods. 26:43 And that's a real stressor on your body too 26:45 because your digestive system is always working, 26:48 and if you don't give it a break, you got real problems. 26:50 That's correct... so it's a very simple formula. 26:52 You eat the right kinds of foods, 26:53 and it's really simple if you eat foods in the right amounts. 26:57 I mean, excuse me, eat foods that are as grown. 27:01 Foods as grown basically. 27:03 Right amounts, right time. 27:04 Eat liberally of those foods 27:05 in the right amounts at the right time. 27:07 Okay so this is just one of the keys... 27:09 We've talked about stress and many other different things. 27:12 This is one of the keys, it's a foundational key. 27:14 It's important as it relates to stress. 27:15 It's important as it relates to stress. 27:17 It's not the most important thing for stress management, 27:18 but it's an important component. 27:21 We've been talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty 27:23 He has developed a seminar that is a fascinating seminar. 27:26 It's called "Stress Beyond Coping" 27:28 It deals with different keys that you can 27:31 put in place to prevent, avoid reverse stressful situations. 27:36 I don't know if you could ever prevent stress, 27:38 but it does deal in a very practical way 27:40 with all different elements... 27:41 And you can get more information about that seminar by 27:45 contacting us here at 3ABN or the Church Ministries Department 27:48 at the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists 27:50 We're glad that you have joined us for this seminar. 27:53 We hope that as a result, 27:54 you will have Health that Lasts for a Lifetime. |
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