Health for a Lifetime

Longevity

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Participants: Don Mckintosh (Host), George Guthrie

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00:01 The following program presents principles
00:03 designed to promote good health and is not intended
00:05 to take the placed of personalized
00:07 professional care. The opinions and ideas
00:10 expressed are those of the speaker.
00:12 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own
00:14 conclusions about the information presented.
00:49 Hello and welcome to Health For A Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host Don MacKintosh.
00:53 We're glad that you joined us today
00:54 and we are glad you are watching 3ABN.
00:56 We think that you grow spiritually and hopefully
00:59 you live longer and that's what we are gonna talk
01:01 about today longevity and to talk with us about
01:04 this important subject is someone who has lived
01:07 a number of years, but he still looks young,
01:10 which is also good. Dr. George Guthrie,
01:12 we're glad that you are here with us today,
01:14 thanks Don, and you are a physician,
01:18 you have been a physician for a man,
01:19 who only looks probably might be 5-10 years,
01:21 but you really been practicing
01:22 for almost 25 years, that's right
01:24 and you are now at the Lifestyle Center
01:26 of America in Southern Okalahoma
01:28 and there you treat all kinds of diseases
01:32 from a lifestyle perspective,
01:34 that's right, that's right. We try to help people
01:37 optimize their lifestyle, so that they minimize
01:39 their need of physicians and medications.
01:43 Oh! I am sure the drug companies love you
01:45 and, they don't visit us anymore Don,
01:47 they don't visit.
01:49 Well look you have a great webpage,
01:52 I have been through it there Lifestyle Center
01:53 of America and goes through the different programs
01:56 and different things that, that you offer their
01:59 and many times people come their to you
02:02 because they are in a acute disease stage,
02:05 you know, they realize they are going in the wrong way
02:07 and you help them reverse that, right,
02:09 but wouldn't it be better if they came
02:11 and just learned how to do things,
02:13 so they could prevent the things they are dealing with.
02:15 Generally to spend that much time
02:17 and that much money there needs to be a crisis,
02:19 umm! umm! sometimes what we do is called
02:21 by people preventive medicine,
02:24 but it's no more preventive medicine and what
02:26 the cardiologists does when he puts in a stent
02:29 for example, umm! umm! we really doing lifestyle
02:32 intervention on disease, umm! umm!
02:35 But this is your chance as we talk today about
02:38 how people can take a perspective right now,
02:41 may be I don't care what age you are watching,
02:43 you can learn from today how to live hopefully
02:45 for a longtime. Living long and healthfully
02:47 is really the what prevention is all about,
02:50 isn't it, that's right. Now what is it,
02:53 we talk about life expectancy in order words,
02:56 how long we expect to live maybe,
03:01 what is it that really impacts that.
03:05 Really our lifestyle affects it,
03:07 but for us to understand that is a bit of challenge,
03:12 you see, as science has tried to approach
03:15 how to live a longtime. Now, I know when preacher
03:17 has come to living a long time
03:20 it's a little different tack,
03:21 we talk about eternal life, right.
03:23 But scientists are working on extending really life
03:26 and the quality of life here on this planet
03:29 and as a Christian I like to think of that as
03:31 extending my opportunity for service,
03:34 the joy of service and this is part of
03:36 eternal life of course. But again as the scientists
03:41 try to delve into this whole field they have got
03:43 some dilemmas especially setting in human beings
03:45 because they are human beings too for example
03:49 young fellow at 18 decides I'm gonna study
03:53 how to live a long time, so he goes to school studies,
03:56 he is a bright fellow, he has got his PHD by age 30,
03:59 gets couple of research projects under his belt
04:02 and finally gets the big one
04:03 at age 35 to study ageing to do it right.
04:07 He has got a start prenatally before birth,
04:12 and he is already like 35 years old,
04:14 and he is already 35, you see the problem
04:15 is he is gonna die before his subjects too,
04:18 so it's little harder for us to study our own species
04:21 and we have had to depend often on what we can
04:24 learn from other species, so how they gone about it,
04:27 they look at, how do scientists go about
04:29 studying ageing then since they are gonna die.
04:31 Well in humans the first thing we can do
04:33 is observe right, Umm! Umm!
04:34 and so you look around and you say okay
04:38 around the world who lives a long time
04:41 and we have the Vilcabambans,
04:43 Equatorial Andes, we have got the Georgians
04:47 from the Caucasus mountains.
04:49 We have got, okay now once,
04:51 well okay now once, yes the actually longest living
04:55 people today as if as far as the culture. Umm!
05:00 So we look at these populations and we say
05:04 what is it about their life that's different
05:08 then everybody else may be that has something
05:11 to do with and living longer,
05:13 as we look at them for example in a group of Hunzer,
05:16 they look to their cholesterols,
05:18 they are like between 120 and 150 somewhere
05:21 wrong in there really lower cholesterol levels,
05:26 on average people are more active
05:28 they eat fewer calories, umm! umm! So,
05:32 we can learn some things from looking at people
05:35 who have lived a longtime, but it's not consider
05:38 a real good science, we have improved any thing
05:40 we have simply observe some things, okay.
05:42 So sounds like diet has something to do with it
05:46 and you mentioned cholesterol levels, sure,
05:48 sure. I of course diet is associated with some
05:50 diseases, diseases tend to end our lives, so right.
05:55 Now your message today is probably gonna be you know
05:57 people are gonna think twice before jumping
05:59 on the bandwagon, but you are gonna be talking about
06:01 caloric restriction as relates to longevity.
06:07 That's where science has ended up
06:09 pointing their finger. It's a real, really a rather
06:14 interesting topic as we got to move towards
06:17 an understanding. As scientists have moved
06:20 toward try and understand how this works on humans
06:22 one of things they did was a very large study
06:26 in Alameda County in California just
06:29 North of the Golden Gate Bridge
06:31 one of the wealthiest counties in the country.
06:33 They got a whole group of elderly folks,
06:37 7000 of them who were at least 70 years of age
06:40 and they follow them from 1965 to 1974, Umm!
06:46 They ask them at the beginning a whole bunch
06:48 of questions about their lifestyle,
06:50 anything they could think of that might make a
06:52 difference is far how is people,
06:54 you know, what makes them live longer
06:55 and what makes people die sooner, umm! umm!
06:58 Then over that period of time they watch the
07:00 death registry to see who died from what
07:03 and then went back and look at the data,
07:07 okay. So these were these peoples habits,
07:09 these died sooner, these died later
07:12 what can we do as human beings to live longer,
07:15 first step, so it's little better then the observation
07:17 and we have got several of them here.
07:20 The first one, I bet you are not surprised at,
07:23 it's don't smoke, don't smoke oh!
07:26 that is, people who don't smoke live longer,
07:29 well of course, we know that right, smoking
07:31 leads to cancer and puts it at risk for heart disease,
07:36 so that's obvious right, umm! umm!
07:39 Regular exercise, that doesn't surprise me either,
07:42 really. Regular exercise helps us keep fit
07:45 doesn't it, umm! umm! Has keep active and
07:48 we notice it in the other populations those
07:51 who live a longtime it tend to be active.
07:53 So regular exercise, I mean watching a game
07:56 show once or may be was talk show
07:58 and this guy was on there and he was talking about
08:01 being a 104 years old and he was running
08:04 or walking 2 miles a day and then
08:08 they interviewed him overhere and then 1 year
08:10 he didn't do it and he wasn't back, he died,
08:13 okay. I guess that make sense.
08:16 Exercise does help obviously that was
08:18 observational and we would like a little
08:20 stronger proof then just a story, but,
08:22 that was one. Another one, appropriate weight,
08:27 appropriate weight, I bet you are not,
08:28 you are weight is appropriate
08:30 you are not as likely to die sooner,
08:33 that's not a surprise either is it, no.
08:35 I mean that's, what is overweight associated
08:39 with disease wise. Oh! Diabetes, sure,
08:43 hypertension, heart disease big ones,
08:47 yeah, probably stroke, arthritis,
08:49 so having a normal way is a reasonable finding
08:54 from this Alameda Health Study, okay.
08:56 Now the next one is a bit of surprise it was
08:58 to me when I saw it, okay, what is it,
09:01 regular breakfast, breakfast,
09:04 what, what was the association there,
09:06 well you know they don't tell us,
09:07 all they said was people who eat a regular breakfast
09:10 live longer, umm!
09:13 Now I can guess, I think we have got some evidence
09:16 of possible explanations for that,
09:18 umm! umm! one of them might be
09:22 people who eat breakfast tend to eat foods that are
09:25 protective for example more whole grains
09:28 more fruit, umm! umm! Another one,
09:33 people who eat breakfast actually
09:34 eat fewer calories during the day, umm!
09:37 People who skip breakfast eat more calories
09:40 they kind a get that starve sort of thing.
09:42 So eating breakfast has a decreased number
09:44 of calories and I have wondered if a big meal
09:48 at night doesn't really stress the system
09:51 you all that food coming in and if somebody
09:53 goes to sleep and just lays their with all that food
09:56 doesn't it clog up the system, umm!
09:59 So one of my, and it's just you know theory,
10:02 is that people who eat breakfast
10:05 or the ones who haven't eaten a big meal,
10:07 the night before because if they eat a big meal
10:09 the night before you are not hungry in the morning,
10:11 right, so may be it's kind of a secondary marker
10:13 for a big meal we don't know,
10:15 umm! umm! certainly not from this study,
10:16 but there is some possibilities
10:19 and so regular exercise way breakfast
10:22 anything else they found in
10:23 the Alameda Health Study. No snacks, no snacks,
10:28 snacks, people are signing out there
10:30 they say Oh! no, no, umm! umm! okay, no snacks.
10:34 May be you've heard it before I kind a like
10:36 this little saying the bigger the snacks
10:40 the bigger the slacks, okay,
10:43 I don't know who originated it, but,
10:44 probably true, you know the snacks that we eat tend
10:46 to be high in salt and fat or high in sugar
10:51 and fat and don't the advertisement say
10:53 you can't have just one, well said,
10:56 and they seem to be right don't they yeah,
10:58 they seem to be right. So for some reason
11:00 and it make sense to me, umm! umm!,
11:02 no snacks is actually tends to make people
11:07 a lot of people who live longer,
11:09 okay. Well let's review what we are seeing so far,
11:11 okay, put up on a graphic. No smoking,
11:14 these are the things that were done in the
11:16 Sabbath Alameda Health Study.
11:17 Regular exercise, appropriate weight,
11:20 regular breakfast, no snacks and then
11:22 the one we didn't cover, 7-8 hours of sleep a day.
11:26 Now, I would rather say night, a night,
11:28 I don't like people to go to sleep during my lectures,
11:30 okay, so 7-8 hours of sleep in a 24-hour period
11:34 generally you need, we need at night
11:36 is associated with living longer.
11:39 So if we want to live longer then
11:43 these are the things we really need
11:44 to be looking at. But these are lifestyle
11:46 components that we can do something about
11:48 to help us live a little longer.
11:50 We are talking with Dr. George Guthrie,
11:52 we are talking about longevity,
11:54 how you can live a longtime
11:56 and I think all of you started interested in that
11:59 and I think that if we are not we should be,
12:02 so when we comeback we are gonna look at
12:03 some groups that actually live at a longtime
12:05 the Okinawans and when we comeback we look at
12:08 even more factors that may be you can incorporate.
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13:14 Welcome back we are glad you've joined us,
13:15 if you haven't been watching half
13:17 we will forgive you, but we will catch up a little bit.
13:20 My name is Don Mackintosh and welcome to
13:23 Health For A Lifetime. We have been taking
13:24 about longevity and we have been taking with
13:27 George Guthrie, he is a physician from
13:29 Southern Okalahoma and his whole purpose in life
13:32 is to help people live longer here and hopeful
13:34 also have ever lasting life as they come to know
13:37 Jesus Christ is their savior,
13:38 but let's look a little bit at what we were reviewing
13:42 or going over just before the break.
13:45 The Alameda Health Study Dr. Guthrie were looking at,
13:47 umm! right, and it showed that those
13:49 who live longer don't smoke,
13:50 they get regular exercise, have the appropriate weight,
13:53 they eat breakfast, they don't eat snacks
13:55 or very little and they sleep 7-8 hours
13:59 in a 24 hour period. These were some things
14:02 and, these were lifestyle choices, lifestyle
14:06 related situations that you can do
14:09 something about right. And at the Lifestyle
14:12 Center of America there in Okalahoma
14:14 you try and remind the people of this all the time.
14:16 That's right, that's what our work is.
14:18 Well, let's look now at this other group
14:21 you mentioned and I want to comeback you
14:23 had mentioned the okinawans.
14:24 We had started out saying it is difficult for human
14:28 beings to study human beings getting older,
14:30 right because they die, and so we can look
14:32 at older folks, we can do it in a kind of
14:36 observational sort of a way then the Alameda
14:38 Health Study was another way to do it and now
14:40 another study this actually ongoing and it's
14:43 designed in such a way that it out lives any investigator,
14:48 so you can go on, so in other words say handed
14:49 on to the next, handed on to the next generation,
14:51 is a look at the population in this world
14:55 that lives the longest. The people who live on
14:57 the Island of Okinawa, Japanese Island
15:01 small relatively poor folks,
15:05 south of Japan have a life expectancy longer
15:09 than anyone else in the world.
15:11 I heard the Seventh-Day Adventists in California did.
15:14 Well, I'm sorry that is another country.
15:17 Oh! okay, but as far as looking at country,
15:20 so we have, their life expectancy is about
15:23 81 years of age, so that's quite impressive,
15:27 81 years of age, yeah. So as we look at
15:31 what's different about the Okinawans,
15:33 we begin to learn some interesting things, like.
15:36 Well, number one, Okinawans eat 40% fewer
15:40 calories what Americans do,
15:42 oh, so they don't lose it's back to this whole
15:44 idea a low caloric intake is associated
15:48 with longevity, you introduced that concept,
15:50 caloric restriction, that's correct.
15:53 They eat 17% fewer calories then the
15:56 average Japanese, so even on the other island
16:00 they eat more than they do, that's right, okay.
16:03 But, their the calories they take well it's low
16:09 they have excellent nutrition, umm!
16:11 so they are eating less, but it's better.
16:14 They are eating fewer calories, but it's better
16:16 and they have a rather simple lifestyle
16:19 there is a lot of truck farming,
16:21 people have their own farms,
16:22 they do their own fishing, they are active,
16:24 they are preparing their own food,
16:25 so excellent nutrition, but restricted calories why
16:29 Okinawan children have 36% below
16:34 the Japanese recommended intake for their children
16:38 as far as calories are concerned, okay,
16:39 so they are in the low side.
16:40 So they are unlike not a high protein diet,
16:42 but little protein diet. Well, we are taking
16:44 about calories, okay, so low calorie diet,
16:46 low calories that's high in nutrient density,
16:49 okay and they live longer, umm! It's really had an
16:53 impressive situation, so the message is move
16:56 to Okinawa, okay. I suppose you don't have
16:59 to do that to gain the benefit,
17:01 but you can maybe put in the practice some
17:03 of the things, some of the things have learned.
17:04 Now if we look at the, what happens in the Okinawa
17:07 in experience is they have these restricted
17:10 calories, umm! umm! We find that Okinawan
17:14 old people are 75% more likely to retain
17:19 their cognitive ability, and they don't loose
17:21 their coconut, they don't loose their coconut,
17:23 their minds stays clear. There is a 75% improved
17:29 risk that is less likely to get Alzheimer's.
17:33 Woh! This said interest to lot of us, yes,
17:36 it's okay. There 80% few are breast and
17:40 prostate cancers, that's a big killer, so
17:43 breast cancer, why not, what is at 100 of every
17:44 3 men gets it, quite a few, in America,
17:46 50% few are ovarian and colon cancers, umm!
17:51 and 50% few are hip fractures,
17:55 it sounds like they are on top of everything,
17:57 well it does, it's interesting the Okinawans
18:00 take in on an average 500 mg of calcium a day,
18:05 woh! The recommendations for us here in this country
18:07 for postmenopausal women is 12 to 1500 mg.
18:11 The Okinawans have fewer hip fractures
18:13 and they actually take less calcium, which is
18:15 kind of interesting. Umm! I don't know
18:18 if there is a connection between caloric restriction
18:20 and the bones, but it may not be all
18:23 osteoporosis may not all be a calcium.
18:25 So they must get their calcium from green leafy
18:28 vegetables, that's where the calcium gets it,
18:29 that's where the calcium gets it, okay.
18:32 So, interestingly enough the Okinawans have 80%
18:35 fewer heart attacks as well,
18:37 80% this is a interesting. Let's review those,
18:40 we have some graphics that help us review that
18:42 because the people are saying.
18:43 I wanna be Okinawan,
18:45 let's, let's write them down, okay.
18:48 40% fewer calories than Americans,
18:50 so less is more. Umm! Umm!
18:52 17% fewer calories than the Japanese average.
18:56 Caloric intake of Okinawan children is 36% below
19:01 the Japanese recommended intake,
19:03 so their total cereals not the same as
19:06 the total cereal of the Japanese, okay.
19:08 And the Okinawans have adequate nutrition,
19:11 so calorically dense foods, not calorically dense,
19:16 nutritionally dense, nutritionally,
19:18 calorically not so dense, not so dense, okay.
19:21 A calorically dense foods that would be
19:24 nutritionally poor would be things like
19:27 French Fries, potato chips, I means it's a junk food,
19:29 so very little junk food a lot of plant food.
19:32 Morbidity is minimized 75% more likely to retain
19:35 cognitive ability, they don't loose their coconut,
19:38 80% few, fewer breast and prostate cancers.
19:42 Umm! Umm! And you said 50% fewer ovarian and
19:46 colon cancers, right. And 50% fewer fractures
19:49 of the hip and the average intake is like 500 mg of
19:54 calcium a day, which is much lower, but
19:57 they are still doing better
19:58 in that hip fracture, yes. And an 80%
20:00 fewer heart attacks, amazing.
20:02 It's a rather interesting experience,
20:04 now I supposed it's time to pull in the
20:07 information that we have obtained
20:09 from animal studies, okay. Because
20:12 it appears that longevity in human beings as
20:16 we kind of pointed out as in the Okinawans as
20:18 an example is related to caloric restriction.
20:22 We have learned that from experience with rats
20:27 and mites and rodents. So if you decrease
20:31 their calories they live longer.
20:33 Yes, you think about it, they take a rat or mouse,
20:37 they put it in a cage, they give it a wheel
20:39 to run on, and they give a food all the food
20:42 at once and that's rather boring sort of a life
20:44 I would suppose. I have tried to put
20:46 myself in a rat's place what would I do in a cage,
20:50 eat, right, eat, what we call that Ad Libitum,
20:54 that is eat all you want. Ad Libitum,
20:57 that sounds like a, sound like a model of America.
21:00 Eat what you want, so when you allow mice
21:03 or rats to eat all they want, umm! umm!
21:06 They have a certain lifespan.
21:08 If you calorically restrict them
21:11 they actually live longer, I think we have a graphic
21:13 that kind of shows that from some studies. Okay,
21:17 so here it is, which one is the healthy way.
21:19 Well, notice on the top the green one there is
21:22 non-caloric restricted, the CR means
21:25 calorically restricted, and they lived only
21:26 what 30 minutes and it looks like it's not minutes
21:29 I think, has more to do, months, with months, okay.
21:31 So, with eating all they want they last, oh!
21:36 at about 35 months and then they eat,
21:39 they eat less. If they eat 25% less you can see
21:43 it extends out closure to 43, okay, with 55% less
21:47 it's getting at above 50 and of course 65% about
21:51 55. Now if you go much beyond that,
21:53 you start talking about malnutrition
21:55 and of course the death rate starts to come sooner.
21:58 So there is a point beyond, which you cannot
22:01 calorically restrict. So the solution here
22:05 to the problem with rats is feed them more.
22:08 Oh! you mean as far as to kill the rats because
22:10 you don't want them, right. If you don't
22:12 want them you just put more food out in your house
22:15 you know we are in 3ABN, what may be, may be,
22:17 may be it would be better to learn a lesson from
22:20 the rats, okay learn a lesson from the rats, okay.
22:22 And when the rats are in the rat race of life,
22:27 okay and they are eating they have got all
22:30 the foods supply that they need
22:33 they are very likely to die sooner same with us.
22:36 If we want to live a little longer,
22:37 it would make sense that we did a little more
22:39 of the hunt and scratch that's the rats do.
22:42 You know in the natural world they don't have
22:45 all they want, they have to find this seed here,
22:47 find that seed their, kind of run around
22:49 or they it's little bit and I think the natural
22:52 state is more calorically restricted
22:54 then the cage fed, okay. And we were designed
22:57 to be that way, to be outside, to be working,
23:02 to hunting gathering, to grow our food, okay,
23:04 hunting, gathering, moving, growing
23:07 and not eating as much as many calories as we are now.
23:12 So how does it work there,
23:13 how does this caloric restriction work.
23:16 That's a fascinating study and scientists beginning
23:19 to understand it. Let's see if I can put
23:22 together in simple language.
23:25 Many of us have talked about getting vitamin E
23:28 and vitamin C, we probably our,
23:30 many of our listeners are taking it now
23:32 to try to live longer and put off disease.
23:34 Umm! Umm! Anti-oxidants are
23:36 supposed to keep down the free radicals
23:38 those things that would cause cancer well
23:40 and even kill cells why? We think that free radicals
23:43 have something to do with a normal
23:45 dieing off of cells. Free radicals are very reactive,
23:50 very radical, very radical,
23:52 if we get it loose they damage DNA,
23:56 RNA, proteins, they damage things in the cells
24:01 and when there is enough damage and even
24:03 the repair mechanisms and the backup mechanisms
24:06 are damaged then the cell dies.
24:08 Umm! Umm! We start it losing
24:09 them one at a time and when we loose too many,
24:11 we die. Umm! With that's kind of the process.
24:14 So how this caloric restriction
24:17 address these things, address the whole
24:19 business of free radicals, how does it decrease
24:22 free radicals. Well, the answer lies within
24:26 the mitochondrion, okay those are the power
24:28 houses of the cells, the little power houses
24:30 inside the cells have within them the mechanism
24:34 to take the food that we eat and turn it into
24:36 energy that our cells use we call it ATP, okay.
24:41 That process, right, each day in each cell
24:47 makes somewhere between
24:50 a 100,000 and 1 million free radicals,
24:54 oh!, so each cell in your body making
24:56 all these free radicals. Some people worry about
24:58 the free radicals in the air.
24:59 Let me tell you there is nothing compared
25:01 to the free radicals that are made just in
25:03 normal physiology. I'm feeling
25:05 more radical as we talk.
25:08 The free radical, the extra electron that's
25:11 so active is then passed on through the body.
25:14 It goes into the, it's picked up by
25:15 coenzyme Q10 or vitamin E, glutathione,
25:19 vitamin C, Bioflavonoids and finally it's dumped
25:24 in the colon, in the fiber,
25:25 which is the high fiber diet should be a good
25:28 dump for those free radicals.
25:30 So that's what the way the body deals with it,
25:33 okay. Now, it's very interesting you heard
25:36 me say somewhere between 100,000 and a million
25:39 per day per cell, that's a lot,
25:41 but think about it there is a difference of 10 fold.
25:44 If you did something different you might
25:46 make one tenth as many free radicals.
25:48 If you did something else you might make
25:50 10 times as many so there is a range, okay.
25:53 It ends up that when we have too many calories
25:56 more than we need, our body gets very
25:59 inefficient and it makes many more free radicals,
26:03 oh! I see, when we are calorically restricted
26:06 then, then it's less, we make up to
26:09 110th number of free radicals.
26:11 In illustration on a hot summer afternoon,
26:14 you grab a big glass of lemon to quench
26:17 your thirst and deal with the heat,
26:20 an hour later you are hotter than you were before
26:22 why because all that energy you buy
26:24 it don't know what to do with it,
26:25 it is trying to turn into heat.
26:26 So, it didn't really help. And illuminate would
26:29 not be good as well, water, exactly.
26:32 So, caloric restriction helps us live a longtime,
26:34 but increasing the efficiency decrease
26:36 in the free radicals and it's true the anti-oxidants
26:39 especially those it come in plants can be very
26:41 helpful in helping us maintain good cell health
26:45 throughout our body so we can live
26:48 a long time and enjoy it.
26:51 Is it too late to start? That's a excellent question.
26:56 Scientists have been trying to answer
26:57 that question and I don't know they have
26:59 the answer completely, but a couple,
27:01 a few months ago, I ran across an article
27:04 where they were studying fruit flies, okay,
27:07 and they found that no matter how late
27:09 in the fruit flies life
27:12 they did caloric restriction,
27:13 the fruit fly still in the same height.
27:15 So, I don't know whether that will
27:18 turn over to be same for humans,
27:19 but it were fruit flies and we are starting there.
27:21 I don't think it's too late, good.
27:23 If it is good for the fly, it might be good for you
27:25 and I. Yeah! Thank you so much
27:28 George for joining us. Dr. Guthrie from
27:30 Lifestyle Center of America,
27:31 thank you for what you do there and thank you
27:33 for you have done today in the program,
27:35 my pleasure. Thank you also for watching us,
27:37 you may want to contact the Lifestyle Center
27:39 of America, you just go to your browser,
27:41 your website, have a website
27:42 and learn more about their programs.
27:45 If not you learn some things today
27:47 that can help you hopefully live longer
27:50 and as you live, enjoy your time with God
27:52 and with others. Thanks for watching
27:54 and may God bless you today.


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