Health for a Lifetime

Brain On A Binge

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Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Vicki Griffin

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00:01 The following program presents principles designed
00:03 to promote good health
00:05 and is not intended to take the place
00:06 of personalized professional care.
00:09 The opinions and ideas expressed are those of the speaker.
00:12 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own conclusions
00:15 about the information presented.
00:50 Hello, and welcome to "Health For A Lifetime."
00:52 I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
00:53 And today we're delighted to be talking with Vicki Griffin.
00:56 She's an author and she's part of the team
00:58 that's producing excellent materials to help people
01:01 with various areas in their lives.
01:03 And today, we're gonna be talking
01:04 about the brain on a binge.
01:07 How to overcome food addictions and cravings.
01:11 And you've actually written some things
01:13 about this with your team.
01:14 Yes, it's called "Living Free,
01:16 Finding Freedom from Habits that Hurt."
01:17 And we have of the teams of addiction specialists
01:20 that have gotten together and a nutritionist.
01:23 And we've put together a package
01:25 which we think is going to help
01:26 to solve some of these challenges.
01:28 So, is it possible to be addicted
01:31 to something other than drugs?
01:32 You know, we talked about being addicted to drugs.
01:33 We talked about being addicted to tobacco,
01:36 other different things, but maybe caffeine.
01:39 But is it possible to be addicted to something else?
01:42 Well, intuitively people have probably felt
01:45 this way for a long time.
01:46 They'll talk about being a Junk Food Junkie
01:48 or a chocoholic or they'll talk about being
01:51 an internet or TV addict or we know that people
01:53 have significant problems with porn and gambling,
01:55 and other issues of that nature.
01:58 But now it's being validated
02:00 as we're able to see brain images of people
02:02 that do suffer from addictions.
02:04 And according to Howard Shaffer
02:05 from the Division on Addictions at Howard University,
02:08 "Drug use is not a necessary
02:10 and sufficient cause of addiction."
02:13 So it doesn't just have to be drugs,
02:15 in other words, it could be something else.
02:16 In fact, he says, "It is improper to consider drugs
02:20 as the necessary precondiction--
02:21 precondition for addiction."
02:23 So it's really, it can be drugs or anything else.
02:26 It's a condition of the mind.
02:28 The definition has been expanded
02:30 to include persistent compulsive behavior
02:33 that is harmful or destructive characterized
02:35 by an inability to stop. Right. Okay.
02:38 And there's a quote also
02:39 from Brian Knutson from Stanford University.
02:42 And he says, "It is-- it stands to reason
02:46 if you can derange brain circuitry
02:48 with pharmacology, you can do it
02:51 with natural rewards as well."
02:53 So, you know, what are natural rewards.
02:54 Pharmacology, of course, will be drugs.
02:56 Right, well the two most potent natural rewards that,
02:59 that create this effect are food and sex.
03:03 And so I thought we would wanna take a look today
03:06 at what--one of those natural rewards--
03:08 Okay, you have a nice little glass of something here.
03:10 Right. This is--what is this, sugar or salt?
03:13 Well, this is sugar and it is 35 teaspoons
03:16 of what we would call a psychopharmacologic dose--
03:19 Now you want me to drink this? No, I don't.
03:21 Okay. So what do we call this?
03:24 It's called a psychopharmacologic dose
03:26 of a macronutrient. There are--
03:28 What's that mean? So that means that like--
03:30 There are three-- There are three macronutrients
03:33 that we need in large amounts.
03:35 Sugar? And sugar is one.
03:37 And of course we want it in slower doses.
03:40 But we want sugar, we want protein, and we want fat.
03:42 Now what this constitutes is the basic American Snack.
03:45 This is--Oh, my candy bar just fell over the railing there,
03:48 but, a candy bar and a 20 ounce soda
03:52 is this much sugar.
03:55 And of course, most people are drinking
03:57 larger size soda than that.
03:59 I worked with a lady in California
04:00 that was drinking 10 of those large sodas a day.
04:04 Larger size than that. And so, so what we are saying
04:07 is that this is not an after dinner mint. Because--okay.
04:11 It's a very significant dose.
04:12 Right. So the problem-- the problem
04:15 is not having an occasional sweet,
04:16 but we're having a birthday party for breakfast,
04:18 Christmas for lunch, thanksgiving for dinner.
04:21 People do this repeatedly.
04:22 And this is going to have an affect
04:24 on the architecture of the brain,
04:25 addiction pathways, appetite regulatory mechanisms.
04:29 And it's going to create some real metabolic mayhem.
04:32 So in other words, if you started doing this day
04:34 and day out, your brain cannot organizes itself around that,
04:38 and it just expects it and if it doesn't have it--
04:40 That's right. It misses it,
04:42 and you're just completely,
04:43 you're changing your brain chemistry.
04:45 That's exactly right.
04:46 And there are not only chemistry changes,
04:49 but structural changes that take place,
04:51 that are long lasting.
04:53 The good news is--is that the brain is very resilient
04:57 and it can be remodeled, and that's what
04:59 we're all about with Lifestyle Matters
05:01 and with the Living Free Program.
05:03 So if you were to look at someone's brain
05:05 then say was, you know, addicted to like drugs
05:09 or pharmal-- pharmacological things--
05:11 Right. Versus someone that's addicted to,
05:13 you know, their big bowls of sugar
05:16 and their soda pop, and their candy bar.
05:20 Right. Is there a difference?
05:21 Well, I wanna share a quote with you, a couple of quotes.
05:24 One is from Ann Kelley.
05:25 She is--she's very well known in this field.
05:27 She's from the Neuroscience Division
05:29 of the University of Wisconsin Medical School.
05:31 She says, "With these--"
05:33 She calls these hedonic doses of sugar and fat.
05:37 "The brain is getting addicted to its own opioids
05:40 as it would morphine or heroin.
05:42 Drugs give a bigger effect,
05:43 but it is essentially the same process.
05:46 This says that mere exposure to pleasurable,
05:48 tasty foods is enough to change gene expression,
05:52 and that suggests you could be addicted to food."
05:55 And then the graphic that we want to share
05:57 with our viewers today is from Mark Gold
05:59 from the McKnight Brain Institute
06:01 at the University of Florida.
06:03 He says, "What's the difference between
06:05 someone who's lost control over alcohol
06:07 and someone who's lost control over good food?"
06:10 And good in the sense of just highly hedonic, not healthy.
06:15 "When you look at their brains and their brain responses,
06:18 the differences are not very significant."
06:21 So you--if you were to open up someone's brain
06:22 and do a little, not an autopsy,
06:25 'cause hopefully they're not dead,
06:26 but if you were to look at the structures in their brain,
06:28 they look exactly the same, if it's a crack addict
06:30 or if it's a Lays potato chip addict.
06:34 Well, they're very-- it's very similar. Okay.
06:38 Yes, it is very, very similar.
06:40 There are some things going on with food addiction
06:42 that are actually over and above.
06:44 We'll get into that.
06:45 But I like what Charles Billington has to say.
06:49 He is the ex-leader or president
06:52 of the North American Association
06:53 for the Study of Obesity.
06:54 He said this, "As we develop full understanding
06:57 of the neuroregulation of appetite,
06:59 I think the addictive nature of foods
07:01 will come clear and I think we will learn
07:04 that these addictions can develop
07:05 at various stages of life and I think we will learn
07:08 that they are very, very powerful."
07:10 And brain imaging is showing
07:12 pictorially that this is the case.
07:15 So you get to the point
07:16 where you truly can't just have one.
07:19 Where it's in the house,
07:21 you can't stop thinking about it until it's gone.
07:23 You know how many are in the package.
07:26 And here's what I tell people,
07:28 you can tell if you're a food addict.
07:29 You know, you see that plate of brownies
07:31 going around the table and you've got your eye on
07:33 the one that's just for you.
07:35 And if somebody else takes it, you're disappointed.
07:37 But if your husband takes it, you're mad at him.
07:41 Okay, so you increased availability is one thing
07:45 that tells you that you're addicted.
07:47 There are--there are some real similarities
07:49 with drug addiction and food addiction.
07:52 One is increased availability.
07:54 We know that statistically, the more available
07:56 a substance is in area,
07:58 you'll have a statistical increase in drug addiction.
08:00 And we know that these highly refined fast foods
08:03 are more available than ever before.
08:05 And so we see an increased incidence of habituation
08:08 to these--to these high-fat, high-calorie dense foods.
08:12 And then an immediate effect you say on the brain,
08:14 in other words that when you eat this,
08:16 it's broken down so rapidly
08:18 and it really impacts you quickly?
08:19 There are central effects with drugs.
08:22 And there are immediate central effects
08:24 with drugs and with foods.
08:26 We are hardwired to really enjoy salt, fat, and sweet.
08:31 And when we get these in drug-like doses,
08:33 then it begins to have
08:35 a longer term affect on the brain.
08:37 So there is a similarity with drugs.
08:40 In that there are immediate central effects,
08:42 but with food, there are post-ingestive effects
08:45 that are very profound and long lasting as well.
08:49 So when you talk about the-- you have these two,
08:52 you know, increased availability
08:54 and you have these immediate effects
08:55 that come from the food. Right.
08:57 When you talk about these things,
08:59 there is also, you say, supporting things in your book.
09:03 You say that there are, you know,
09:05 properties that are also go along with this. Exactly.
09:07 In another words, the atmosphere or something
09:09 I don't know whatever it is.
09:10 Well, there is a reinforcing effect.
09:11 There are reinforcing effects of--
09:14 The reinforcing property of a drug.
09:15 The more reinforcing the drug is,
09:18 for instance, cocaine versus nicotine.
09:20 A laboratory rat will self medicate
09:22 to death with cocaine, but not with nicotine
09:24 because the reinforcing property of the cocaine
09:27 is so much more potent than the nicotine.
09:30 And it's the same with food.
09:31 The reinforcing properties of these foods.
09:33 They are engineered to have an amazing mouth feel, the aromas.
09:37 There are-- there are--
09:39 It's a whole science called Realogy and Flavorology
09:41 that enhance the hedonic properties
09:44 or the feeling of ecstasy or the pleasurable aspect
09:47 of just tasting, feeling, and smelling this food
09:50 that reinforces the central effects of that food.
09:54 And so it does create more of an environment
09:57 for developing a habit with that food.
09:59 So they're available and they are also immediate,
10:04 and they're-- and they're reinforced.
10:06 That's right. And then these are the similarities
10:08 with having a drug addiction.
10:09 That's why it says the, looks the same
10:11 in the brain when you're looking at it.
10:13 Right. Is there anything else
10:14 that's similar with drug addiction?
10:15 Well, yeah. Brain changes occur in addiction
10:18 with drugs and with behavioral addictions
10:21 or natural rewards that include mood, motivation, learning--
10:26 Okay. Palatability centers, all of these things are altered.
10:29 Stress. Stress hormones are altered.
10:32 But there are also some really significant differences.
10:35 And the reason that this is of such great interest to me,
10:38 is because we see with lifestyle programs
10:40 and people that attempt lifestyle changes
10:42 who are suffering from obesity or various lifestyle problems,
10:46 that they have a very, very challenging time staying
10:48 with a program for a long period of time,
10:51 and there are some reasons for this.
10:52 We wanna understand those reasons
10:54 and educate people, so that they can better accomplish
10:57 their long term goals and have better compliance
11:00 than we're seeing right now.
11:02 Okay, so the similarities we've talked about--
11:04 Right. Are availability. Right.
11:06 Very quick response. Right.
11:08 And then there is reinforcement to that.
11:11 And then there's actual brain changes, you've said.
11:13 Those are the four. That's right.
11:14 But--so that's the similarity between
11:16 a food addiction and a pharmacological addiction.
11:18 Right. But what are the differences?
11:21 Well, there are some very profound differences
11:24 in Antonio Convent and Marella Lice have studied
11:26 some of those differences as well as others.
11:30 One of the major differences
11:32 is that when you take these
11:34 pharmacologic doses of macronutrient,
11:36 and that's one of the reasons
11:37 I wanted to show this because they really is a--
11:39 This big mega dose.
11:40 There's a big difference between
11:41 having a little bit of something
11:43 and a large amount like this is that it dysregulates
11:47 long term appetite control mechanisms.
11:50 There are short and long term appetite control regula--
11:53 regulatory functions in our body.
11:57 The long term ones have to do with Ghrelin,
12:00 Lep-- Ghrelin, Leptin, and Insulin.
12:03 And so they help to generate the "I am satisfied" signal.
12:07 So a person with a food addiction
12:08 that has habituated themselves
12:10 to these large amounts of calorie dense foods,
12:13 the "I am satisfied" signal isn't heard.
12:16 And so they can eat to the point
12:18 where their stomach hurts.
12:19 It is so full of food and they can eat
12:21 so much calorie dense food.
12:23 They can eat 15 donuts.
12:25 But they don't feel or hear the message
12:28 you've had too much.
12:29 So in other words, this is actually worse sometimes
12:31 than a pharmacological addiction
12:33 or like some of these just one specific things
12:35 because they--they make what you're saying
12:38 is all kinds of things in the body go haywire.
12:41 That's exactly right.
12:42 And I suffered from bulimia myself for 20 years,
12:44 so I'm very intermittently acquainted with this process.
12:47 And I'm very grateful to have this information today
12:51 to understand and help people
12:53 know the challenge that they face.
12:55 And how much hope there is that no matter
12:57 how long they have struggled with this,
12:59 that they can overcome and that normalcy can be achieved.
13:03 But that is a very real challenge that people chase.
13:06 Another--that they are confronted with.
13:09 Another really significant impact
13:12 of these kinds of foods is lower brain energy
13:16 due to neural changes that take place in
13:18 what's called the limbic area of the brain
13:20 where the percolation of nerve impulses
13:22 takes place throughout the brain.
13:24 It starts to slow down.
13:25 It becomes impaired because of the little clusters
13:28 of dead cells that begin to occur down there.
13:30 We call that atrophy.
13:32 We call that-- it's the beginnings
13:34 of vascular dementia actually.
13:35 And so there's-- there's temporal atrophy
13:38 that begins to occur.
13:39 So there's a lower mental energy
13:42 for meeting challenges and change.
13:44 Now fortunately, again this is something else
13:47 that can be reversed swiftly with lifestyle changes
13:50 if it's caught early enough.
13:52 And that's really good news.
13:53 I mean, we're gonna talk more about
13:55 that when we come back after the break about the good news.
13:58 But you know, you have an excellent cadre of people
14:03 that are working together on this.
14:05 They've put together this new book on addictions.
14:07 All these things are able to be accessed
14:09 on your website, lifestylematters.com.
14:13 And people can just get more information
14:16 about all these aspects by accessing this--
14:19 this excellent material.
14:21 When we come back, you're gonna give us some good news, right?
14:23 That's right. And if you're watching today
14:26 and you know someone or perhaps you're struggling yourself
14:29 with addictions or you think maybe you are.
14:32 Maybe you have a better handle on that.
14:35 But there is hope, there is help,
14:37 and we want to talk about that when we come back.
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15:41 Welcome back. We've been talking with Vicki Griffin.
15:44 She is an author. And she has quite a personal testimony
15:48 that kind of undergirds today's presentation.
15:51 You've actually had to experience
15:53 some of these various issues yourself
15:54 and have seen that God is powerful
15:56 and can bring you out of addictive behaviors.
15:58 That's exactly right. So--
16:00 And even behavior that's lasted for many years.
16:04 So He is powerful and there are tools.
16:07 And we're thankful for you and the simple solution team
16:11 that are in the Michigan Conference.
16:12 We're putting together so many excellent materials.
16:15 Let me just clarify something though.
16:17 We've talked a lot about the brain changes that can come.
16:21 And about the, you know, the parallels between
16:24 an addicted behavior and then like, you know,
16:27 such as, you know, nicotine or cocaine or heroin.
16:32 But then also about the more complicated addicted behaviors
16:36 that are like related to food.
16:37 You've said there're just all kinds of different systems.
16:40 Right. That are involved.
16:42 But it is true that these food behaviors
16:46 can have great costs in terms of some of the typical diseases
16:49 like heart disease and whatnot, isn't it?
16:52 Yes, food addictions are linked to the development of obesity,
16:55 diabetes, heart disease,
16:56 and while we wanna be quick to note
16:59 that not all food addicts or obese
17:00 and not all obese people are food addicts.
17:03 The syndromes are related and overlapping.
17:06 And there are some very, very interesting studies
17:10 coming out now, describing food
17:13 as the new substance
17:14 in a substance addiction we call obesity.
17:16 And so they're beginning to understand
17:19 that the neuroregulation of appetite
17:21 is a very, very real factor in the challenge
17:24 of achieving long term change.
17:26 Now you are living proof that people can overcome addiction.
17:29 Yes. And but maybe and hopefully in the second half,
17:34 we will not be able to cover everything,
17:36 but we'll skim the surface
17:37 and give some people some hope. Absolutely.
17:39 All right, so start us out on that journey.
17:42 Well, can a person overcome food addictions? Absolutely.
17:46 And, as we've shared in some other conversations
17:49 that we've had, our brains were designed
17:51 by our Creator for recovery, renewal, and resiliency.
17:55 There are changes going on in the brain all the time
17:59 depending on what we choose to pay attention
18:00 to and various simple,
18:03 but powerful lifestyle tools can begin to curve
18:06 those cravings and change
18:09 and alter the chemistry of the brain
18:11 so that it begins to be sensitive
18:13 to appetite signaling, it since,
18:15 it can break those-- those cravings
18:18 for the sugary fattery-- fatty foods
18:20 in high amounts. And I'd like--
18:21 I saw one of these things in your book,
18:24 a quote by a guy-- User's Guide.
18:27 I believe his name--the "User's Guide to the Brain."
18:29 And he was saying this was actually structural changes
18:33 that can come as a result of decisions made.
18:35 That's right. He's a neuropsychiatrist
18:36 by the name of Dr. John Ratey,
18:38 and he's from Harvard University
18:40 and he wrote a book.
18:42 He's an addiction specialist.
18:43 He wrote a book called or entitled
18:45 "A User's Guide to the Brain."
18:47 And he says this, "Experiences, thoughts,
18:50 actions, and emotions
18:52 actually change the structure of our brains."
18:54 Isn't that a wonderful promise?
18:56 "Critics sometimes claim that a focus on 'ordinary' measures
19:01 like exercise and diet is too simplistic
19:03 to affect unordinary behavior. Not so.
19:06 There are many tools right at our fingertips
19:09 for changing our mental health,
19:10 both in correcting our problems and simply becoming
19:13 the kind of person that we want to be."
19:15 That is very helpful. Yes, it is.
19:17 So these--these very simple things,
19:19 I mean, what you're gonna share
19:20 may seem simplistic to some of our viewers,
19:23 but they actually are very powerful.
19:26 Here are the points that we wanna remember.
19:27 The Lord has not only given us power,
19:30 but He's given us tools.
19:31 He has a program that is going to actually help
19:34 to put us into a process of change over time
19:38 that is going to have amazing results
19:40 in terms of long term outcomes.
19:42 And the primary thing that we need to remember
19:45 is that addictions are learned.
19:47 They are learned associative behavior and--
19:50 And can be unlearned. An addiction can be unlearned.
19:52 So let's go through this and then we'll come back.
19:53 "The brain is both resilient and plastic or malleable
19:58 and responds to new choices and patterns of activity.
20:02 Recovery, repair, and restoration
20:04 of critical pathways is possible,
20:07 although results will vary from individual to individual.
20:09 Improvements can begin to occur rapidly."
20:13 This is good news. It's very good news.
20:15 And when you--and when you start to replace
20:18 the puffed rice cereal and the hard candies
20:21 or orangeade for breakfast and replace
20:24 that with some of the high fiber foods
20:25 that's gonna immediately going to begin
20:29 to alter those-- those pathways.
20:32 It's going to make the portion of the hypothalamus
20:36 that's very sensitive to fasting and feeding
20:38 and very sensitive to ghrelin
20:39 and the appetite regulatory mechanisms.
20:42 It's going to begin to be responsive
20:44 to the lower amounts of concentrated sugars and fats.
20:49 Also when you have the soluble fibers in the diet,
20:52 it's going to increase satiety,
20:53 it's gonna cut the cravings,
20:55 it's gonna lower the insulin response,
20:58 so that your brain is gonna be more able to learn--
21:00 And you're getting into the details of exactly
21:03 what we need to do-- Right.
21:04 But we go back to that list we were just talking about.
21:06 It said that these behaviors are learned
21:10 and they can be unlearned. That's right.
21:11 So addictions are not just something that,
21:14 well, it just happened to me. Right.
21:15 I'm just, you know,
21:17 I'm just this little ping-pong ball,
21:19 and I'm getting beat this way and that way.
21:21 No, it's something that was learned
21:23 and it can be unlearned.
21:25 Our brains are not passive,
21:27 gray cabbages victim to genetics,
21:31 nor are they subject to environmental influences
21:35 and just victims of whatever environmental forces
21:38 come to bear in our lives.
21:39 We can manage the genetic tendencies
21:42 and the environmental occurrences
21:45 that have happened in our lives.
21:46 We can manage them both
21:47 if we can only understand the power of implementing,
21:52 the power of choice, the power of will,
21:56 and I know that that just sounds exasperating
21:57 to some people, because people do
21:59 lose the power of choice.
22:02 Their motivated behavior just seems,
22:03 they called--it's called runaway motivation.
22:05 But we can build a bridge back to that power of choice.
22:08 God can give us the power that we need,
22:10 but we must instantly and immediately implement
22:13 the plan that He has for us,
22:15 so that we can sustain the results
22:17 of deliverance that He has for us.
22:19 So to unlearn this you gotta create
22:21 an environment for success and whatnot.
22:23 You have a list here of important strategies
22:25 for a long term success. We want to go through those
22:27 and then maybe talked about a couple of them.
22:29 Okay. The first one you were alluding
22:30 to was increase fiber intake to reset
22:34 metabolic controls and break cravings.
22:38 Very important. Increase antioxidant intake
22:41 by throttling up on a variety of fresh vegetables--
22:44 That's gonna sweep up dead cells.
22:46 Beans, whole grains, nuts, and seeds.
22:49 So that's the sweep.
22:50 And then increasing activity, both mental and physical.
22:53 Adopt an active lifestyle.
22:55 Drink plenty of fresh water between meals.
22:58 This will displace the foods we need to avoid,
23:01 like junk food and highly refined foods
23:05 rich in saturated animal fats,
23:07 trans fats, and refined sugars.
23:09 Bottom line is, we want to adopt a strategy,
23:12 an approach, a way of thinking
23:14 that is gonna help us to crave the good stuff.
23:17 So that fiber resets the metabolic controls.
23:21 In other words, it slows things down or gives some them
23:23 a chance to get in control again.
23:25 So that now after-- after implementing
23:27 these changes on a daily basis,
23:30 you go and you have some huge triple
23:34 whatever fudge something,
23:37 and all of a sudden you just think,
23:40 "Wow, that's sickening. That's too much."
23:42 We want to get to the place
23:44 where we'd have a little bit of something sweet.
23:47 And we'd say, "That's enough. I'm satisfied."
23:50 And you can't really do that until you reset the controls
23:52 because you're out of control.
23:53 That's right. But you're not saying then what--
23:56 you're saying a couple of things, that, you know,
23:59 an overcoming addictions to food is not--
24:02 not like all or nothing,
24:03 because you still have to eat food.
24:05 It is a process. It is a journey.
24:07 And people that want to have the victory over their appetite
24:12 and over these kinds of problems, they'll say,
24:13 "Okay, from now on, I'm just gonna eat
24:15 six peeled grapes for dessert,
24:17 and I'm gonna walk 10 miles a day."
24:18 We've got to say realistic expectations.
24:21 Number one, we've got to understand
24:22 that there's a process of change
24:25 that's gonna start remodeling the brain
24:26 and it's going to get easier.
24:28 We liken it to remodeling a kitchen.
24:30 It's gonna get ugly before it gets better.
24:32 Yes, there will be withdrawals.
24:33 Yes, there will be cravings.
24:35 Yes, there will be of less of inability
24:37 to taste the subtle flavors and textures
24:39 of less refined hedonic foods
24:42 because even the palatability of this centers of the brain
24:45 are altered as a result of high exposure
24:48 to these kinds of foods.
24:49 But all of these things begin to change
24:52 as you swap out a wholegrain bread
24:54 and fresh peaches and strawberries
24:56 for the candy bar and orangeade,
25:00 as you begin to swap out and then you exercise
25:03 to increase mood and you start focusing
25:05 on those brain changes.
25:06 Slow but sure, those cravings begin to get lower
25:10 and lower and less and less
25:12 and you begin to appreciate and enjoy the high fiber foods
25:16 which keep you satisfied.
25:18 And so the actual mechanisms
25:19 for hunger begin to be restored.
25:22 And this is just an amazing
25:23 and wonderful process that takes place.
25:25 Now, in your own life, is this what occurred?
25:27 Oh, absolutely. I was severely bulimic for 20 years
25:31 from age 11 to age 31, and I am 52 years old now.
25:35 And so I have had this journey of learning
25:39 to make better choices and learning to crave
25:42 those better foods and understanding
25:44 how to utilize the lifestyle tools to control anxiety
25:49 and depression to improve mood to meet mental challenges.
25:52 All the things that used to drive me
25:54 to those poor food choices.
25:56 Now I'm learning better ways of managing stress.
26:00 My brain is more resilient because of the diet I eat.
26:03 So I'm better equipped and able to handle the stress of life.
26:07 And so it is a process and you don't get a 100% everyday.
26:11 You know, you can expect to have some problems
26:15 as you go along. But you don't give up.
26:18 You get up. You don't look it at it as,
26:19 "I want to get to my finish mark."
26:21 You remember that it's the journey
26:24 that creates the strength.
26:26 So, you know, you've created this book along with the team.
26:31 And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Yes.
26:33 I mean, there's definitely going through this--
26:35 this list we have seems kind of, you know,
26:38 fast and quick and it is. Right.
26:39 When you look at it in the book,
26:41 it actually breaks it down, what you should do.
26:43 It's a whole process of recovery,
26:45 identifying the trigger,
26:47 identifying all the different things,
26:48 and then moving towards recovery.
26:50 Right. And it's a comprehensive plan,
26:53 you can learn about the book on your website.
26:56 Yes. Lifestylematters.com.
26:59 And, you know, I like to close programs with you,
27:02 Vicki, with a spiritual note.
27:04 We have about 30 seconds.
27:06 What spiritual hope can you give our viewers
27:10 that are either attempting to help someone
27:12 or in the midst of addiction themselves?
27:14 I love the promise of God in Romans Chapter 12 verse 2,
27:19 the Bible says, "Do not let your behavior
27:21 be like that of this world."
27:22 We've got to make a choice. We've got to make a choice.
27:24 "But be changed and made new in mind."
27:26 We're talking about changing our minds today.
27:29 "So that by experience,"
27:30 and that's experience based plasticity.
27:32 That's what it called the neuroscience.
27:34 "So that by new experiences you may have knowledge
27:36 of the good and pleasing
27:37 and complete purpose of God in your life."
27:39 So the mind God is saying there can be renewed
27:43 and that's what all the research is showing,
27:45 that's what your book shows.
27:46 Thank you so much for being with us today.
27:48 I think this has been very helpful, not only to me,
27:51 and I know it's been helpful to you,
27:53 but also to our viewers.
27:54 Thank you for joining us.
27:56 We hope as a result that you have health
27:58 that lasts for a lifetime.


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