Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000001A
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00:15 Welcome to Healthy Living!
00:17 I'm your host Margot Marshall 00:19 Diabetes is one of the 10 leading causes 00:22 of death in the world, 00:24 and it's emerging as a global epidemic. 00:27 Are you at risk? 00:28 And is there anything you can do about it? 00:31 Stay tuned for the good news. 01:08 With me in the studio today I have Dr. John Clark 01:12 and Jennifer Skues who is a Health Psychologist. 01:15 So, welcome John and welcome Jennifer, to the program. 01:17 Thank you! 01:19 John, you have an amazing story of someone recovering 01:23 from type 2 diabetes and I'd love you to lead out 01:26 with that story. 01:28 Yes indeed, and type 2 diabetes affects so many people. 01:32 This is a story about somebody who had it for 30 years... 01:36 Oh my goodness! ... and actually overcame it. 01:39 But in case a few of our viewers don't know what the 01:43 diabetes is all about... 01:44 It comes in two types; type 1 is when your pancreas 01:48 quits working and type 2 is when you become insulin-resistant, 01:52 your body won't respond to insulin. Sure 01:55 So we'll be talking about a type 2 diabetic. 01:57 I came into contact with him when he had been in 02:01 the hospital for 3 months. 02:04 He was in and out of the ICU; he had foot ulcers. 02:08 ICU, intensive care unit? Intensive care unit. 02:12 That sounds pretty bad. Yes 02:15 An understatement, yes. Very serious. 02:17 On different drugs and so then when they wanted to take him 02:22 to surgery, he was too sick, but he had foot ulcers for which 02:25 he needed surgery, and the whole department 02:29 in the hospital was worried about him. 02:31 They finally gave up on doing surgery; 02:34 got him well enough to send home and he had to 02:37 come back to the hospital or to the dialysis unit 02:40 3 times a week for dialysis. Wow 02:43 So here's a man with a 30-year history of diabetes; 02:46 he's got kidney failure, and he's got foot ulcers 02:49 for which they want to amputate part of his feet. 02:52 So there are complications of diabetes, aren't there? 02:54 The kidney failure and the foot ulcers? 02:59 Very common complications. 03:01 Foot ulcers are the #1 cause of amputations 03:05 at least in America. 03:07 And so, I went to visit this gentleman in his home. 03:10 And I sat down with him and I asked him all kinds of 03:13 questions that I knew could be related to his disease, 03:16 about what he ate like for breakfast, lunch and supper; 03:20 how much water he drank. 03:21 What's this supper? We call it "tea." 03:24 That's right tea. Okay 03:28 Here in Australia, if we say "supper," 03:30 that's what you have after tea, 03:32 yes, so anyway, just to clear that one up. 03:35 Yes as tea and he was definitely doing some things 03:40 that could be contributing to his disease. 03:44 Well then I sat down and gave him a program based on 03:47 the original diet from the Genesis account, 03:51 about good fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds. 03:54 We had him drinking more water, 03:56 had him doing exercise. 03:58 You might wonder how can a guy with foot ulcers exercise. 04:01 I was wondering that, yes. How did he do that? 04:03 He had special shoes made for his feet, 04:07 and he also had some walking aids like a walker. 04:12 Well, he took the program seriously. 04:15 He realized he could die. 04:16 I mean, there were people in his church, 04:18 that were praying for him, thinking the next thing 04:20 they're going to be doing is attending his funeral. 04:23 And, in fact, when they went to visit him in the hospital, 04:25 they said... "He was like he had Alzheimer's." 04:27 He didn't recognize them. Truly? 04:29 He was just really in bad shape. 04:31 That is... that's really... 04:33 So it took him, to get to the point of death 04:35 before he would do anything about it. 04:36 Prior to that, his lifestyle was not conducive 04:39 to treating diabetes. That's right! 04:42 So did he know some of this advice that you gave him, 04:45 was he aware of that before you saw him, 04:47 or and just not doing it or? 04:50 You know, he knew a lot more than he was practicing. 04:52 Okay! But look, isn't that true of us all? 04:55 You know, we know better than we do. 04:57 I think that's a pretty fair comment. 04:59 It is... it's like a balance between what I'd really 05:02 want to do if I just went all abandoned-out and did it, 05:05 and what I know is really healthy for me. 05:08 I remember a comment once... 05:10 "Some people change their ways when they see the light, 05:13 and others, only when they feel the heat." 05:16 A lot of people wait for the heat. 05:18 And I guess that's what happened in his case, 05:20 but go on and tell us what happened there. 05:22 And so the heat was on, I mean, he is on dialysis, 05:25 and they told him he would never get off of dialysis. 05:29 Tell us what dialysis is, John. 05:31 When your kidneys fail... your kidneys are sort of like 05:34 built in dialysis machines, and so they make a machine 05:38 outside your body to take your blood out. 05:40 They literally stick needles in your arm, take the blood out, 05:43 run it through a machine that purifies it, 05:47 and then run it back into your body. 05:49 And so, 3 times a week for 3 to 4 hours, he will sit there 05:53 and let his blood go through a machine and come back. 05:55 That must be incredibly stressful. 05:58 I mean, the stress of having diabetes, being at that point, 06:01 and his family would have been really stressed, 06:03 then having to go and have all this done... 06:05 I mean, just to have your blood removed and that, 06:07 so that would have not helped the diabetes 06:10 in the sense of stress is a problem. 06:12 That's true, it's true... 06:14 So he has gone home now and he is having this dialysis 06:18 3 times a week and taking up about half-a-day of his life 06:21 3 times a week and his family. Yeah, go on... 06:25 And so we put him on a program with foods good for the kidneys, 06:29 drinking a lot more water than 06:30 the dialysis people said he should be drinking, 06:33 and exercising periodically through the day, 06:36 not just one big marathon to see how far he could walk, 06:39 but little walks periodically, little x2, 06:44 use his upper body strength for doing things, 06:46 and so he took the program seriously. 06:50 Six weeks later, he came to his church group and he said, 06:54 "I have a testimony," he raised his hand, 06:57 and they were glad to hear from him. 06:58 He said, "I've said goodbye to three things." 07:02 He said, "Number one, I've said goodbye to diabetes. 07:05 Hmm, 6 weeks... Six weeks! 07:08 He has had it for 30 years and he was ready to die 07:11 from complications and in 6 weeks, he said goodbye to it. 07:16 He was no longer on insulin and no longer on drugs. 07:19 And not on dialysis, I presume... 07:22 Well, dialysis was the next thing. 07:25 Then he said, "I've lost 20 kilos!" Wow! 07:29 He wasn't so sure about that, 07:31 he sort of felt like he'd like to weigh more, 07:34 but he wasn't overly thin or anything, 07:37 but he sort of gave a funny comment on that... 07:39 "Well, I guess I didn't need it." 07:41 Most people want to lose more and not weigh more. 07:43 And then he said #3, "They've told me, 07:49 I don't have to come back to dialysis anymore, 07:52 my kidneys are functioning normally." 07:53 Isn't that amazing! That is just incredible! 07:56 So those 3 things were what helped him. 07:59 We might get a little bit more information 08:02 from you shortly about exactly 08:05 what you got him eating and so on. 08:07 But Jenny, is there anything else, 08:10 you're a health psychologist, Jennifer, 08:12 and is there anything else that might have contributed to his... 08:17 Well stress is a huge factor, in fact, they're saying 08:20 about 90% of these types of illnesses are stress-related 08:27 and lifestyle, of course, but when you're stressed, 08:29 your body is full of adrenalin and cortisol. 08:32 It's revving the engine constantly. 08:34 It means the kidneys are doing overtime. 08:35 The insulin production is being stressed, so there's a lot 08:40 that causes the kidneys to be impacted that way, 08:44 and it wouldn't have been just stress in a short time. 08:46 This would have been long-term stress and then you combine 08:49 that with diet and lack of exercise, 08:51 not enough fluids in the system, they've got physiological 08:55 stresses as well as your psychological stressors. 08:57 Yes and that's interesting, isn't it, because it's not just, 09:00 I mean all of those things that you mentioned are very 09:02 powerful, but there's more to it and that 90% 09:05 has me intrigued. Oh, it's huge! 09:07 Your sanity at 90% of illnesses and lifestyle 09:13 are stress-related. 09:14 If you have a look at your cancers, your diabetes, 09:16 all of these illnesses can be prevented by people doing 09:21 stress management and changing their lifestyle. 09:24 Well I do the stress management, John changes the lifestyle. 09:27 But you're a good combination. 09:28 We are, we do work well together. 09:30 That's really great and it's wonderful 09:32 to have both of you here so that we can get 09:35 the input from both of you because you're both 09:37 experts in your field. 09:39 Let's go back to you, John, and just maybe give us a 09:41 little bit more information about exactly what it was 09:44 in terms of what you asked Pastor?Foist to start eating 09:51 or not eating as the case may be. 09:54 What were the changes that he made? 09:59 We especially asked him to lay off of oils. 10:02 We're talking fats in the diet, anything that came from a 10:05 bottle, like corn oil or olive oil or coconut oil. 10:09 The oils tend to cause the cells to fill up quickly with calories 10:14 and then they're resistant to having sugar pushed into them 10:17 and the person ends up with high blood sugar, diabetes... 10:22 And so we asked him not to eat any refined foods 10:25 including oils, but the other refined foods that we 10:28 wanted him to avoid was any refined grains. 10:31 Now in the plant... Such as um, what would they be 10:37 White flour? Yeah, the white flour. 10:39 Yes, white flour, white pasta, white rice... 10:42 Cookies and cakes and... Boxed cereals 10:45 Yeah and all that stuff people really like. 10:49 And so we have this patient who is wanting 10:52 to stay off of these things because we want to make 10:56 sure he gets the fiber and if you have the fiber, 11:00 then the fiber has the minerals and the minerals are what 11:03 the diabetic needs like magnesium and chromium to help 11:06 fight the insulin resistance. 11:08 It takes chromium to get the sugar to the cells. 11:11 So we can't have him eating food that's 11:14 depleted of important minerals. 11:15 No... Before you go on, I think we've got a photo of 11:19 Pastor Foist? it might be nice if we 11:21 could have a look at that, and you can... 11:23 This is when he's starting to get a bit better, I believe, 11:25 a new covering, so he's looking pretty good. 11:27 Oh there we go, oh look at that... 11:28 This is about 3 months after he was into the program, 11:31 and he was coming to church with no walking aid. 11:34 Which is amazing! Yes! 11:36 And he continued to improve dramatically 11:39 even after this. Even after that? 11:41 So, he had already said goodbye to diabetes and dialysis, 11:45 and some weight and he continued to improve - that's beautiful. 11:50 See, one of the other problems with something like diabetes 11:52 is to do with the blood sugar levels and with the diabetes, 11:56 the blood sugar levels can shoot up, 11:58 but they can also drop right down. Yes 12:00 And when, psychologically or emotionally, when that happens, 12:04 it's a rollercoaster emotionally and your stress levels 12:07 go up and down at the same time, 12:09 and it actually mimics like a bipolar effect. 12:12 So that means someone whose blood sugars are 12:15 going up and down all the time, 12:17 it's like they've experienced that heightened mania, 12:19 they're on a high or that low depression. Right 12:22 So it does impact the psychology of the person, 12:27 and how they function. 12:28 And often what I do with my clients is check with them. 12:30 Yeah, and they're coming in and their mood is all over the place 12:33 and often a psychiatrist would diagnose them with 12:35 bipolar disorder - when actual fact, 12:38 it's blood sugar-related or stress-related, it's amazing. 12:42 That's incredible! So you would be getting 12:43 treated for the wrong disorder. 12:45 And that means you're going to prevent the diabetes, 12:47 so I work with some of John's principles in that sense 12:50 of getting them to monitor their diet, 12:52 get rid of sugars in their diet and refined foods. 12:55 And the difference is huge. Yes 12:57 Yes, it often treats the problem. 12:59 About these refined foods, let me say this... 13:03 In Australia and I think it's probably pretty true 13:05 in other developed countries, more than half of the food 13:10 budget goes on those kinds of things. 13:13 I know, for the junk food factor. 13:14 Foods that don't form the basis of a healthy diet. 13:17 More than half, it's not good is it? 13:20 And it must have been quite difficult, John, I think for... 13:23 we haven't really heard exactly what you told him to do 13:28 or not to do, or you've started with refined foods, 13:31 but it must have been a difficult thing. 13:33 Did he find it difficult to make the changes? 13:35 He found it pretty hard. 13:37 It was challenging for him, and in fact, this had been 13:39 his struggle - he knew some of the things 13:41 he should and shouldn't be doing. 13:42 But I got several calls from his wife saying, 13:46 "Couldn't we just use a little bit of olive oil or... " 13:49 You know, he wants this and he wants that, 13:52 and it's a struggle to make changes, isn't it Jenny? 13:55 And this is what I help people to do because if I'm asking 13:58 them to change, like he had to, you really need to help them 14:02 with it and I find with change, if you get them not to 14:05 focus on the whole lot, so don't look at all 14:07 I have to give up... let's just focus on one thing, 14:10 and work with that and what we call "chunking it." 14:13 So when the brain has a chunk, it can deal with it, 14:15 but when it looks at the bigger picture, 14:16 and that's what he would have done for years. 14:18 He would have been thinking about, 14:20 "Oh, I've got all these changes and I can't do it," 14:22 and it was stressing him, so he never did it. 14:25 And imagine the family, they would have been highly 14:27 stressed with all that he was going through. 14:29 John, you mentioned his wife ringing you up and saying 14:32 he wants some oil and so on, and can we... 14:35 Now that's a very interesting thing because I'm getting 14:39 an idea that she must have been very supportive 14:41 and helping him to stay on track, 14:44 a bit of accountability there, yes? 14:47 Very supportive and asking me questions, 14:49 and looking for recipes, and asking about his 14:53 activity and there was a lot going on there. 14:57 So here's a guy that's circling the drain, 14:59 looking like he's going to die. 15:01 We didn't just take him in baby steps, 15:03 we gave him the whole program at once, boatloads. Yes 15:07 It was life-threatening, what he had was this "end-stage," 15:09 and that's when you have to do radical with the 15:11 "you do or I do" - that's when you have to really push them 15:15 to do that. 15:17 Do an intervention. That's right. 15:19 And I think that it's very important to realize, 15:21 at this point, that people who have support like 15:25 he was obviously getting is a huge difference. 15:28 And they find that a supportive environment 15:31 is the best predictor of long-term success, 15:34 so he was a very fortunate person and I guess 15:37 not everybody is going to have that kind of support. 15:40 In fact, it might be the opposite. 15:41 It might be people who just think, "it's not for me, 15:46 you're on your own, I can't be on board with that." 15:47 I have a lot of clients who don't have that support, 15:50 and a lot of their problem is they feel so alone, 15:52 and they don't have motivation because 15:55 there's no one to support them. 15:56 So when I work with them closely, I am part of their 15:59 support system and we sort of look at supports 16:02 because they don't have the social supports at that point. 16:04 But once they improve a bit, we can look at them getting 16:07 out and meeting people and, you know, because that's 16:09 part of health is to have those support systems. 16:12 Absolutely, absolutely, huge! 16:15 And, so a little bit more about... 16:17 About his diet, especially important for somebody 16:21 who has had end stage diabetes, 16:24 and it has gone to kidney failure, 16:27 is that we want to have them eat foods that don't put more 16:31 stress on the kidneys. 16:33 Anything that's going to take more time for the kidneys 16:37 to work with is going to slow them down. 16:39 So we had him taking away any foods... fried foods, 16:43 any food created to rotting, spoiling, fermenting, 16:46 aging, like vinegar, cheese, soy sauce... 16:51 anything that has any of the taints of rot in it is going to 16:55 put more work to the kidneys. 16:57 So we had him on a very strict diet, 17:00 and then exercise was extremely important. 17:03 If you just sit and do nothing, your kidneys will slow down 17:06 and almost stop. Wow 17:08 Some patients, you put them in the hospital, put them in a bed, 17:10 and their kidneys will just slow way down. 17:12 And so they give them a certain drug that will 17:16 pick them back up again. 17:19 So we had him doing little activities all day long. 17:21 You see, if you sit in a chair for a number of hours, 17:24 you can hardly counteract that by any amount of activity. 17:28 The amount you sat doing nothing is very traumatic 17:31 to your system. Say that again... 17:33 You're saying if you sit for hours doing nothing, 17:36 it's hard to counteract what happened in that time? 17:39 That's right, it's not like you could sit all day at a job, 17:43 on a computer and then go run a marathon and fix the fact 17:46 that you had been sitting there all day. 17:48 That's serious isn't it? 17:52 Because if people who do, I'm thinking of myself, 17:56 I tend to do a lot of that kind of work and, hmm, so it's 18:03 important to get up and move frequently. 18:06 How frequently should people, just in general, 18:09 how frequently should they be not sitting. 18:11 How frequently should they break that sitting? 18:15 Well, if you can, it would be good to get up every 30 minutes. 18:18 It's good for the brain too, I mean, after about 30 minutes 18:21 of sitting there, your brain has gone into 18:24 sleep wave practically. Slows down, yes, 18:26 and it can't focus and can't concentrate easily. 18:29 So you need to get up and get movement going. 18:31 It really makes a difference. 18:32 There are businesses who have their 18:35 board meetings standing up and they have the 18:36 higher tables now. What a good idea! 18:38 Yeah, they're actually doing this, so it's good. 18:41 But that's awful to think, you know, I can't get away 18:45 from this, awful to think that you can't undo what happened 18:48 during that time. 18:50 When you sit there, your blood slows down, 18:53 inflammation builds up, your blood vessels get stiff, 18:56 you have to counteract that or you're going to end up with 18:59 an inflammatory disease. Yes 19:02 So I guess, the essential thing you did was you 19:05 were getting him moving more and moving frequently. 19:08 How much water were you getting him to drink? 19:10 I had him take 3 liters of water a day. Ooo, okay. 19:13 One when he got up, one, 2 hours after breakfast, 19:17 and one, 2 hours after lunch so it wouldn't interfere 19:19 with his digestion. Okay 19:21 And so he is having a whole food plant-based diet... 19:26 that would probably sum it up what you're getting him to eat. 19:28 That would be a very good summary. 19:29 And plenty of activity that is going throughout the day. 19:33 And what was the other thing? 19:35 Exercise, the food and drinking water. 19:38 This sounds almost too simple, but Jenny, you're also 19:41 talking about the role that stress played, 19:44 and so I guess his stress levels were improving 19:48 as he began to feel well and it was seen that this was working. 19:52 When you're stressed, it hard to do those things, you see, 19:55 because the brain is just so focused on the stress 19:59 that it can't think - it mobilizes the ability 20:01 for the brain to function. 20:03 But one of the other things, in listening to you, John, 20:06 is his ability to give up because I deal a lot with 20:11 addictions and food is an addiction. 20:12 On that level, junk food and refined foods are highly 20:15 addictive, sugars are highly addictive, 20:17 oils are highly addictive, 20:18 and that would have been a struggle for him 20:21 because he had to very rapidly overcome that... 20:23 And this is where I find people relapse, 20:27 but he couldn't afford to relapse. 20:28 But one of the things you mentioned, as a pastor, 20:31 one of his big strengths would be his spiritual faith 20:33 because they find that people who do have faith, 20:37 and this is where I'm involved at times with 20:40 what they call the "12-Step Program" which is 20:42 which is a more spiritually focused program. 20:44 Recovery is much quicker, much better and more long-term. 20:48 So for him, maybe that was 20:49 part of, and his family, could have been part of the process. 20:52 Very much so and they were praying all the way through it. 20:55 They had the church praying for him. 20:57 Do you know, it's an interesting thing, but most of the 21:02 prayers that are offered to God are for health, health recovery. 21:06 And that's Biblical and it's very appropriate. 21:10 And it would seem as though God wasn't hearing or answering 21:13 the prayers of this pastor, but He did because He 21:18 brought you into his life and you helped him to cooperate 21:21 with the laws - the natural laws that God has placed in our body. 21:25 And so, it is the mental aspect as you talked about, Jenny, 21:29 the physical, the social support that he was getting 21:31 from his wife and his church family, 21:33 and then there is also cooperating with the laws 21:39 because it's almost like a tug of war... 21:42 You've got one pulling this way, one pulling that way, 21:45 and if we've got the spiritual pulling us in the right 21:48 direction, and we are tugging hard with the physical aspect, 21:52 you're not going anywhere. 21:54 And so, he had to come to that point where he thought, 21:56 "Lord, I really do want to be well and, yes, I've come to 22:00 the point where I'm going to not fight against basically 22:04 what is making me sick." 22:06 They all do work together, these things work together. 22:09 In fact, they are a like a beautiful blend, they're not 22:11 at all in separate departments. 22:14 We're a total package, we're not just an individual 22:17 brain or a body, but the brain and the body 22:20 work well together and we have a huge capacity with the brain 22:24 that is still unexplored. 22:26 Science only knows about 40% of brain function. 22:30 Technology has speeded it up, 22:31 and it gives us some wonderful insights. 22:33 But, it's like the unknown frontier, 22:37 and the brain capacity constantly amazes people 22:40 because we can go beyond things if we apply our brain. 22:44 Yes, and you're talking about how our thoughts 22:46 impact on us and you're talking about plasticity. 22:51 Just mention a bit about that. 22:52 Okay, well every thought you have 22:55 impacts every cell of the body. 22:57 So when I have a thought, if I have a negative thought, 22:59 every cell in my body responds, but it responds negatively, 23:04 and then if I have a positive thought, 23:06 it works in reverse and every cell of the body 23:09 and the brain responds positively. 23:11 And, therefore, it impacts that negativity or positivity 23:15 impacts your biochemistry; it impacts your hormonal 23:20 capacity and that means we don't realize how much 23:23 power we have over... and that's that brain/body 23:27 connection - it gives us vitality. 23:31 And even things that they find when someone looks upwards. 23:34 It uplifts the brain chemistry in the body. 23:37 When we look down, which is what depressed people do, 23:40 it actually brings the physiology in the brain 23:42 chemistry down. 23:45 So just the fact... I mean there again, 23:47 you've got your body connecting 23:49 to the brain and changing things, very, very interesting, 23:54 and I don't think we nearly understand all that goes on 23:58 in all those interconnections and so on. 24:00 Well the good thing is you don't have to feel it, 24:02 you just have to do it. 24:04 This person had to do it, the pastor - he had to do it, 24:07 and he was at the point where 24:09 he would follow your instructions because 24:11 it was that or die, basically, he had nothing to lose. 24:14 But in doing that, he focused out of himself on to 24:16 what he was doing and, therefore, the stress levels 24:19 would have come down and he would have had a more 24:21 positive outlook, if that makes sense. 24:23 And, I found that it makes me smile a bit, John, 24:28 when I think about, I think you mentioned when he went 24:31 back to church and people saw him as they weren't 24:33 expecting to see him alive and were planning for his funeral. 24:36 What was their reaction when he turned up? 24:39 The first time he came back to church, he hadn't been there 24:42 in 4 months, he had been in the intensive care unit, 24:45 they stood and clapped. 24:47 They gave him a standing ovation. 24:50 Isn't that amazing? 24:51 Yeah, they were waiting for the funeral, weren't they? 24:53 Isn't that just incredible that they would do that. 24:56 And, I find that, I guess I'm thinking of another aspect now. 25:01 You know we pray to God and He answers our prayers, 25:04 and we nearly faint! 25:06 You know, just sort of think... "Oh, well I did ask You 25:09 for that, but yeah right, shock! It's hard to believe, 25:15 and, look, it makes me just think of... 25:18 I was running a program once, a very intensive 1-month program 25:23 4 nights a week for 4 weeks, and a gentleman 25:29 who was an engineer had diabetes and a few other things too. 25:32 So one night just before the program, he said, 25:35 "Ah, can I talk to you?" I said, "Sure." 25:38 He said, "Well, I took my blood sugar this morning 25:42 and it was 4." That translates to 72. 25:48 And he said, "Well, that can't be right because 25:51 it's never been 4." 25:53 I mean, he came to the program to get well. 25:55 But he said, "Well, that can't be true." 25:57 So he said, "I pricked the next finger and that was 4." 26:00 And he thought, "No, it's never been 4, 26:02 this cannot be right." 26:03 So he did the next finger, all 10 fingers! 26:09 And they all came up 4 and he was shocked! 26:12 And I said, "Would you like to tell the group... 26:14 there was 100 people in the group... 26:16 and he said, "Oh no, no, no, you can if you like, but not me" 26:19 So I told the group and they just thought it was hilarious 26:22 how you ask for these things and they happen and it's like, 26:26 "Wow!" He seemed to think every 26:28 finger would have a different reading. 26:31 But I was definitely encouraged because 26:33 he's an engineer, so if he is building a bridge, 26:35 he'd be very sure! He'd be very sure, 26:38 so I thought that was very part of his profession to just 26:42 not to sort of assume anything. 26:45 Yeah, so it is a beautiful story, John, just beautiful 26:48 and I just hope that it encourages a lot of people 26:52 out there who may be suffering with diabetes or some of these 26:56 other diseases that we'll be talking about... 26:59 that it can happen. 27:00 What about, I mean, this is just one story you told us, 27:04 I'm sure there are many such instances 27:07 that you could tell us about too and many studies 27:10 that have been done which confirm the benefits 27:14 of a plant-based diet. 27:15 Definitely, and diabetes is almost like alcoholism, 27:19 you quit drinking, then you quit being the alcoholic. 27:22 Diabetes is so much a lifestyle based disease, 27:26 that if you have it, it's almost like an indication that 27:29 you definitely have some things wrong in your lifestyle, 27:33 especially for type 2 diabetes. Yes, yes 27:36 This is the amazing part, it is so easily treated 27:39 if you do the right thing, and this is why 27:43 with what you're doing, it's so important because people 27:45 can get well very easily. ... And quickly! Yes! 27:48 It doesn't take forever. 27:50 That's the astounding thing, it's just so quick! 27:53 Amazing! I think our bodies are very forgiving, 27:56 just like the One who created them. 27:58 Well, I don't know whether we've answered all your questions 28:02 I'm sure, we've probably haven't, but if not, 28:06 you can contact Dr. John Clark or Jennifer on: 28:09 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:13 and they will be able to answer your specific questions. 28:16 And if you'd like to watch our programs on demand, 28:19 you can download a fact sheet just visit 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:26 and click the watch button. 28:28 And remember, today is the first day of the rest of your life. |
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