It Is Written

Depression And Its Cure

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Pr. John Bradshaw (Host), Dr. Neil Nedley


Series Code: IIW

Program Code: IIW001217

00:01 What do Super Bowl winning
00:02 quarterback Terry Bradshaw, television personality
00:05 David Letterman and business tycoon T. Boone
00:08 Pickens all have in common?
00:10 Well, apart from being tremendously successful in
00:12 their chosen careers, they've all had a serious battle with
00:16 depression.
00:18 Depression can be seriously debilitating, and people of
00:21 faith are not immune to its effects.
00:25 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with Dr.
00:27 Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions, and
00:31 an expert in the area of depression.
00:34 Does God have a way out of depression?
00:38 And what help does the Bible offer?
00:40 Today we find out.
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01:20 JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so much for joining me today.
01:22 Appreciate it.
01:23 NN: It's great to be here.
01:24 JB: We're talking about a very, very serious subject
01:26 today, that of depression.
01:28 It affects people, it's no respecter of persons.
01:32 NN: Correct.
01:33 JB: If you're wealthy, not so wealthy, bright, not so
01:35 bright, male, female, doesn't matter your ethnic
01:37 background.
01:39 If you're a believer in God or not, you can still be
01:40 depressed.
01:42 NN: Exactly.
01:42 JB: Which is interesting, isn't it?
01:44 The Bible enjoins us to rejoice and be happy and in
01:46 God's presence there is joy, and yet there are many people
01:51 in church clinically depressed.
01:53 NN: Yeah.
01:54 JB: Before we talk about the right way out, what, in your
01:59 experience, are most people doing to treat their
02:03 depression?
02:04 NN: Well, the most common treatment is medication.
02:06 And well over $20 billion is spent in this country on the
02:11 medicines alone.
02:12 And many of these medicines are expensive.
02:16 There are all sorts of antidepressants out there,
02:18 and they're flying off shelves.
02:21 But they're not a cure-all.
02:23 They're not the fix.
02:24 JB: Is it true that antidepressants are the
02:25 largest selling classification of drugs?
02:28 NN: Correct, yes.
02:29 JB: Is it helping?
02:30 NN: Well, it helps 20% of them to the point where
02:33 they're no longer depressed.
02:35 JB: Two out of ten depressed people take medication and
02:40 essentially get over the depression.
02:42 NN: Correct.
02:43 JB: Two out of ten.
02:44 So eight out of ten not so much.
02:46 NN: Eight out ten, right.
02:47 In fact, three out of ten won't experience even a
02:50 slight improvement with the drugs.
02:54 Even a combination, if you put four antidepressants on
02:57 them, and raise the dose, they're still not going to
03:00 respond.
03:01 So three out of ten will have zero response to medication.
03:05 And then what's left in the middle are those who get a
03:08 slight or moderate response, but are still clinically
03:13 depressed and still suffering from it.
03:15 JB: Half of people taking medication for depression,
03:19 they're still depressed even though they're taking the
03:20 medication.
03:21 NN: Exactly.
03:22 JB: Now, I'm just thinking for the cynic who says, oh,
03:25 come on.
03:26 But this is statistically true.
03:28 NN: Oh, absolutely.
03:30 It's been shown, in fact, if anything, I'm stating things
03:33 more in favor of the pharmaceuticals than the
03:38 statistics are actually showing.
03:40 So I'm quoting drug company data.
03:42 This is the data from the drug companies themselves
03:45 that I'm quoting.
03:46 JB: You got this data from what the drug companies say.
03:49 NN: From the drug companies, yeah.
03:50 So that's why I'm saying, if anything I'm slighting it
03:52 toward the drug companies.
03:53 There are some studies out here that indicate that
03:56 antidepressants virtually help no one.
04:00 Now, I don't believe that personally because as a
04:03 doctor I've prescribed antidepressants and I've seen
04:05 their effect in some people in a positive way.
04:08 But in reality, I've also realized that this is not the
04:12 cure.
04:14 This may help some people, but there are far better
04:17 approaches to treating depression, with far less
04:21 side effects, and they're far cheaper.
04:23 JB: What are some of the side effects people are getting
04:25 from medication, just quickly?
04:26 NN: Well, weight gain is one of the big ones.
04:29 And so it tends to cause weight gain, it tends to
04:32 cause them to have an "I don't care" attitude.
04:35 So that when something happens in their life, like
04:38 their spouse dies, they feel like they should cry at the
04:40 funeral and care about this, but it's kind of like, eh, oh
04:43 well.
04:44 And that's not a healthy thing.
04:47 It also increases impulsiveness at first when
04:51 you start taking it.
04:52 And that's why they have black box warnings on them
04:54 that say if someone is suicidal, watch out because
04:58 this will increase their impulsiveness, and suicide is
05:03 often an impulsive act.
05:05 And so here the person who's suicidal needs to get better,
05:09 but the drug that they're utilizing might tide them
05:12 over the edge, and it's a very difficult situation for
05:15 caregivers or physicians to know what to do with these
05:18 individuals when they're to that point.
05:22 JB: But there is a safe way, there is a healthy way to
05:24 treat depression, even to help people get out of
05:27 depression.
05:28 We're going to talk about that in just a moment.
05:29 What are some other things that people do in terms of
05:31 self-medication?
05:32 NN: Oh well, chocolate, you know, is a big one.
05:35 The soda pops, if you just count the cans of soda pop
05:38 leaving a grocery store.
05:40 Carbohydrates actually not only taste good but they
05:42 transiently increase serotonin levels.
05:45 Unfortunately, there's a nadir, so they drop it below
05:48 neutral afterward.
05:50 JB: Can you explain serotonin for me?
05:52 NN: Well, serotonin is a brain chemical that actually
05:54 elevates mood and helps us to concentrate better, and helps
05:59 us to actually sleep better as well.
06:02 JB: Which means that if I get a hit of something that
06:04 increases my serotonin level, I just feel a whole lot
06:06 better.
06:07 NN: You feel better, yeah.
06:08 And so these people, by self-medicating, they
06:10 actually do feel a little better.
06:12 They're altering some of their brain chemistry.
06:14 But the self-medicated routes, be it alcohol or
06:17 chocolate or cocaine or pornography, these
06:22 self-medicated routes actually produce a greater
06:26 nadir, in other words, a greater drop, the more often
06:29 we utilize it.
06:31 So first people do it to try to experience pleasure.
06:35 But afterward they're not doing it to experience
06:39 pleasure, they're just trying to do it to get up to
06:41 neutral.
06:42 And in between times, even though there's nothing sad
06:45 around them, they feel sad, as a result of their
06:48 self-medication.
06:49 JB: Depression's a massive, massive issue.
06:51 I know you've described it as an epidemic.
06:54 NN: Yeah.
06:55 JB: One in ten Americans are currently depressed.
06:58 Research suggests that one in two women may experience
07:02 depression in their life.
07:04 NN: At some point in their life.
07:06 JB: That's just a dramatic figure.
07:08 Now, God has a way out.
07:10 And I'm going to be speaking with Dr. Nedley about that
07:13 way out in just a moment.
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07:38 JB: I'm with Dr. Neil Nedley today, president of Nedley
07:41 Health Solutions and the founder of the Nedley Clinic,
07:46 and the author of the book called "Depression:
07:47 The Way Out."
07:48 We've been speaking about depression, it's causes and
07:52 today its cures.
07:54 Dr. Nedley, what's the way out of depression?
07:57 I don't think this is a simple, single, pithy answer.
08:00 This might be a multi-faceted answer.
08:02 But walk us through the journey.
08:04 Obviously, this is a very brief walk.
08:07 The way out of depression, where should a person be
08:09 looking?
08:10 NN: Well, first of all they need to try to find out the
08:11 underlying causes in them.
08:12 And so that's where we start with the individual.
08:16 We find out, do they have frontal lobe causes, do they
08:19 have lifestyle causes, nutritional causes?
08:22 What's going on in their life in regard to their thought
08:25 process?
08:26 Are there distorted thoughts there?
08:28 And of course, for the vast majority of people with
08:29 depression, most of those are a major issue.
08:33 And so we start them out on a pathway.
08:36 The first thing we start them out on is a regular exercise
08:39 program.
08:41 We want them to exercise ideally 60 minutes a day.
08:47 It can be divided up into a couple of sessions.
08:50 But regular aerobic exercise helps depression, and that's
08:53 our first step with them.
08:56 We also, as part of that, try to get them out into light.
09:00 Light therapy actually helps depression.
09:05 And if they can't get into life because of their job and
09:08 it's wintertime, then they need to get a medical-grade
09:11 light box and actually experience the simulated blue
09:15 sky light, which is the best type of wavelength light to
09:19 help with depression.
09:21 JB: We're talking about a debilitating, disabling
09:24 condition, depression.
09:26 I've asked you the way out, and the first two things you
09:29 tell me are exercise and sunlight.
09:32 Now, that's pretty simple.
09:34 NN: It's pretty simple.
09:35 JB: All right.
09:36 I'm not exactly sure what you're going to say next, but
09:39 I think we're seeing a pattern here.
09:41 So what would be the next thing you'd recommend?
09:43 NN: Well, the next thing we would recommend is getting on
09:46 a regular schedule with regular sleep/wake times.
09:49 And ideally, early to bed, early to rise.
09:53 And ideally, up at 6:00 a.m.
09:55 or maybe a little before and getting that light therapy,
09:59 first thing in the morning.
10:00 That's a crucial law.
10:02 Then next we're going to deal with the food that you're
10:06 eating.
10:08 We're going to try to get you on a diet that's higher in
10:10 tryptophan, higher in tyrosine.
10:14 JB: What's tryptophan?
10:15 NN: Tryptophan is an amino acid that is turn into
10:18 serotonin in the brain.
10:20 JB: What's the other one?
10:22 NN: Tyrosine is another amino acid, it's turned into
10:24 norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain.
10:27 JB: People talk about brain food.
10:29 Do you believe in it?
10:30 NN: Absolutely.
10:31 JB: So the diet's going to look like what?
10:34 NN: Well, the diet is going to be more plant based.
10:37 The plant-based foods tend to be higher in the natural
10:41 carbohydrates that get the tryptophan and tyrosine into
10:44 the brain.
10:45 We're also going to be emphasizing foods higher in
10:48 Omega 3, foods like spinach and walnut, flax seed, chia
10:55 seeds and almonds.
10:58 Green soybeans.
11:00 JB: I'm going to challenge you just a little bit here.
11:02 I'm just wondering if someone's going, eh.
11:04 But hang on a minute.
11:05 What would you do to come back from depression if you
11:09 were suffering from depression?
11:11 This doesn't sound like a terrible cross to have to
11:13 carry, changing your diet like that.
11:15 NN: Right, well, and actually the food can be quite tasty.
11:18 JB: Sure, no question.
11:19 NN: In fact, in our book that you mentioned, we have the
11:21 recipes in there.
11:22 And the people who come to our program, the first day
11:25 they like it.
11:27 So tasty food can actually be healthy if we train the cook.
11:31 JB: Absolutely.
11:32 So if you can kind of eat your way to good health, to
11:35 depression, and I'm sure it's not just diet.
11:39 This is one thing of a number of effects.
11:41 But that means that people are kind of eating their way
11:44 into depression.
11:45 NN: Oh, absolutely.
11:47 Yeah, the fast food industry, where it's high in fat, high
11:50 in protein, virtually no carbohydrates, that actually
11:56 is going to lead to depression in many people.
11:58 I mean, if they have enough hits.
12:00 Again, nutrition is just one of ten different hit
12:03 categories.
12:04 JB: And if you have how many of those hit categories?
12:06 NN: Four.
12:07 Four out of ten.
12:08 JB: Okay, then you're in danger of developing
12:10 depression.
12:11 NN: Exactly.
12:13 JB: So eating well is a key to overcoming depression.
12:16 NN: Eating well, a major key.
12:17 JB: What else?
12:19 NN: Another key is, and this is after we do the nutriti
12:22 and the lifestyle.
12:24 In fact, there's a couple of other things I should mention
12:26 in that.
12:27 Adequate hydration.
12:28 Just drinking enough water.
12:30 JB: Another very, very simple thing.
12:33 NN: Right.
12:34 And it's pretty powerful in regard to what it does to
12:36 brain chemistry.
12:37 JB: Why?
12:39 Why is water so crucial?
12:40 NN: Well, water is crucial because our neurotransmitters
12:43 actually communicate with the neurons through a fluid
12:48 medium.
12:50 And if there isn't enough hydration there, the
12:54 communication system in the brain gets gummed up,
12:56 essentially, that's kind of the JB: The layman's term.
12:59 NN: Basic way to describe it.
13:01 So yeah, adequate hydration, 6 to 8 glasses of water a day
13:04 minimum.
13:05 JB: A lot of people aren't getting that, right?
13:07 NN: That's right.
13:09 JB: How about, well, I drink plenty of soda, isn't that
13:12 good enough?
13:13 No, that doesn't qualify, right?
13:16 NN: No, actually, none of those qualify, the studies
13:18 show.
13:19 All the rest are water substitutes and are not the
13:21 same.
13:22 JB: So we're not going to be thinking that some sort of
13:26 soda or caffeinated stuff is a water substitute.
13:29 NN: Or even dairy, yeah.
13:30 JB: Okay, not even there.
13:31 So it's gotta be water water.
13:33 NN: It's gotta be water.
13:34 And then also an important element is hydrotherapy.
13:37 In other words, hot and cold treatments.
13:42 We call that natural shockwave treatments for
13:45 those who are severely depressed.
13:48 It actually, in our experience, works as good as
13:52 the ECT, the shockwave treatments, without you
13:54 having to get general anesthesia and seizures and
13:57 lose your memory and things like that.
13:59 And so we describe how to do that in our materials, but
14:02 that can be a good starter.
14:05 And so we put people on that part first, and then we lead
14:11 them into analyzing their distorted thoughts.
14:14 And that's when we get to some of the crux of the
14:17 matter, so to speak.
14:18 There are 10 commandments in the Bible, and there are 10
14:22 different ways of distorted thinking.
14:24 And so we teach the individual, once they get the
14:27 spa--we call the first part the spa experience.
14:30 Once they get that spa experience, then their
14:33 circulation in their brain is good enough where they can
14:35 start analyzing their thoughts for distortion.
14:38 Things like overgeneralizing, like Elijah said, I'm the
14:42 only one who hasn't bowed the knee to Baal.
14:44 JB: So what you've got are people who are depressed,
14:46 they're not thinking right.
14:48 You create an environment where the thoughts are moving
14:50 freer and more healthfully, and now they can do some
14:54 healthy self-analysis, look at what the problems really
14:55 are.
14:57 NN: Exactly.
14:58 And that's a very crucial, that will enhance frontal
15:01 lobe function.
15:02 Just the analysis itself, of seeing if there is a
15:06 distorted thought and then correcting that distorted
15:08 thought will actually enhance frontal lobe activity and
15:10 will help the individual recover.
15:12 JB: Now, tell me again what's so important about the
15:14 frontal lobe.
15:16 NN: Well, the frontal lobe is the seat of spirituality,
15:18 morality and the will.
15:20 The will means it's our decision maker.
15:23 So it's actually the area that we make decisions, we
15:26 provide analysis.
15:27 It really gives us the ability to accomplish
15:30 advanced planning and thinking.
15:32 JB: If you have the lifestyle practices in your life that
15:34 are messing with your frontal lobe capacity, you simply
15:36 can't make the decisions.
15:38 NN: Absolutelyyeah.
15:39 It's why depressed people tend to get more depressed,
15:42 because their decision-making ability is down.
15:44 So they end up suffering from those complications.
15:46 JB: Okay, so we got to where people are analyzing thoughts
15:49 and learning to make better decisions and so forth.
15:51 NN: Yes, a crucial element.
15:52 And also a crucial element that helps with that is the
15:55 spiritual part.
15:56 The reading of Proverbs, for instance, or the listening to
16:03 music like King Saul was listening to, you know, the
16:08 soft harp music or soft classical music that can help
16:12 to direct our thoughts can be helpful and can enhance
16:16 frontal lobe function.
16:17 And so we utilize that.
16:19 We utilize what we call cognitive behavioral therapy,
16:21 which is the analysis of the thoughts.
16:24 We utilize the type of music that's been shown in
16:27 controlled trials to help with depression recovery.
16:31 Interestingly, it's the same type of music that a lot of
16:34 hymns are composed from in the church.
16:38 And then on top of that, we then provide the spiritual
16:44 material that can also help enhance frontal lobe
16:48 function.
16:49 JB: And a person goes through this process and implements
16:52 these changes in their lives, I've seen people helped
16:56 dramatically by this.
16:58 NN: Absolutely.
16:59 I mean, in just 10 days.
17:01 We run 10-day programs for treatment-resistant
17:04 depression.
17:06 And when the relatives come 10 days later, often they
17:10 will break out and cry and they'll look at us and say,
17:12 "What did you do?"
17:14 I mean, just looking at them they can tell immediately
17:16 that things are far better and they can see life return,
17:21 and energy.
17:25 One of the wonderful things that happens that we document
17:28 in our program, their emotional intelligence, in
17:31 just 10 days, goes to the top 20 %ile in the nation.
17:36 So they actually have better emotional intelligence than
17:39 people who've never been depressed.
17:41 And emotional intelligence has more to do with their
17:43 future success in life than any other factor.
17:46 So the sky's the limit for these people.
17:49 JB: No drugs needed.
17:50 NN: No drugs needed.
17:51 JB: No messy side effects.
17:52 NN: That's right, exactly.
17:53 JB: God's way's always the right way, isn't it?
17:55 NN: Absolutely.
17:56 : God's way is the right way, and God does have a way
17:59 out.
18:00 What's so important about this is that depression is so
18:02 debilitating, it complicates lives on many, many lives,
18:06 and it has a seriously deleterious effect on a
18:10 person's relationship with God.
18:12 And we don't want that, and God doesn't want that either.
18:15 I'll be back with a few more thoughts on this, on
18:18 depression and its cures, with Dr. Neil Nedley in just
18:20 a moment.
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18:56 JB: I'm talking about depression today with Dr.
18:58 Neil Nedley of the Nedley Clinic, president of Nedley
19:02 Health Solutions, a man who has been successfully
19:04 treating people with depression for many, many
19:06 years.
19:07 Dr. Nedley, Christians suffer depression.
19:10 NN: Yes, absolutely they can.
19:12 People from all faiths can suffer from depression, as
19:16 well as people of no faith.
19:18 JB: Well, why that's significant is because, you
19:20 know, Christians are meant to be happy and Christians are
19:22 meant to be full of joy, and enjoy the Lord as your
19:24 strength.
19:25 Do you find that certain types of Christians suffer
19:28 depression more or less than other types of Christians?
19:30 NN: Yeah, this has been well studied.
19:33 Duke University found that the denominations that have
19:38 the least rates of depression are the fundamentalist
19:41 denominations, ones that believe in the Word of God,
19:45 for instance, and believe that God has a plan for their
19:50 lives and speaks to them through his Word.
19:56 That would describe the fundamentalists, and those
20:01 have less depression than others.
20:05 JB: Now, depression, I've found, there's a bit of a
20:10 stigma attached to it.
20:12 I don't know whether society has stigmatized it, or
20:15 whether people just feel that way.
20:17 Is that true?
20:19 NN: Well, there is a stigma.
20:20 A lot of people with depression don't want anyone
20:22 else to know about it.
20:24 They're picking up their pharmaceuticals and making
20:27 sure no one else knows about it, etc. It turns out people
20:31 do know about it.
20:32 They think they're hiding it, but in reality you can't hide
20:34 it when you're working and your living in families, etc.
20:37 The depression is going to manifest itself in multiple
20:41 ways.
20:42 But because of that stigma, they have a reservation to
20:46 really go out and try to seek treatment, or come to a
20:49 program like a depression recovery program in their
20:52 community, for fear that they're going to be seen.
20:56 But what I've noticed is, when they recover from their
20:59 depression completely, and that joy returns, they have
21:03 no problem telling people how depressed they actually were.
21:07 And then the stigma is gone.
21:09 So if you have that stigma, the best way to take care of
21:12 it is, get the treatment that's going to cure it, and
21:18 then you don't have to worry about the stigma, and then
21:20 you can own up to it.
21:22 JB: God has been curing depression for millennia,
21:25 hasn't he?
21:26 NN: Yes.
21:27 JB: Give me an example from the Bible.
21:28 NN: Well, Elijah, when he was depressed, angels came and
21:31 fed him food.
21:33 I think there was some flax seed in that food.
21:36 That was food to boost the tryptophan and the tyrosine.
21:41 Exercise was part of Elijah's program.
21:43 And light therapy, Elijah, like a lot of depressed
21:46 people, he just wanted to be in the cave, in the dark.
21:49 And God had to produce earthquakes and fires and,
21:52 "Get out of the cave, Elijah, you need to be in the light."
21:56 And then he came and dialogued with him, after he
21:58 did all those things, then he gave him the cognitive
22:01 behavioral therapy, and asked him, "What doest thou here?"
22:04 And Elijah began to talk, and the Lord began to correct his
22:06 distorted thought.
22:08 JB: Interesting.
22:10 NN: Same type of principles that we utilize today.
22:13 JB: What other factors play into this many-headed monster
22:16 called depression?
22:18 NN: You know, one of them that's very characteristic is
22:22 pride.
22:23 It's actually a magnification of self.
22:26 When people experience the distorted thought of
22:29 self-inflated pride, they are setting themselves up for
22:34 wounded pride.
22:36 And then with that wounded pride they've got the expose
22:40 for depression, anxiety and other symptoms.
22:44 That's what led to Saul's issue.
22:47 He had the pride, and when the women sang, "Saul has
22:52 slain his thousands and David his tens of thousands," it
22:55 was wounded pride, and it set him up into that whole
22:59 process.
23:01 And the Lord knows how to deal with that as well.
23:03 JB: That reminds me of another story in the Bible,
23:06 the story of Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel.
23:09 Is this not great Babylon that I have built?
23:10 And next thing you know he's out eating grass like an ox.
23:13 NN: Right.
23:14 Well, you know, and the interesting thing, his pride
23:15 was so severe, he had been impressed by what the Lord
23:19 was doing multiple times, but not changed.
23:22 Impressed but not changed.
23:25 And so the Lord had to get to the root of his problem,
23:27 which was his pride.
23:28 And his pride was so severe it took more than a 10-day
23:30 program.
23:32 It was a multi-year program, but it was the same type of
23:35 principles.
23:36 It was a plant-based, vegetarian diet that
23:38 Nebuchadnezzar was put on.
23:40 There was exercise that was part of it.
23:42 When you read Nebuchadnezzar's testimony,
23:45 hydrotherapy was part of the program.
23:47 The sleep/wake cycles were there, and then in the end,
23:50 the cognitive behavioral therapy to get rid of the
23:52 pride.
23:53 JB: So God knows the way out of depression.
23:55 NN: Absolutely.
23:56 JB: I don't want to give anybody false hope.
23:59 I don't want to do that.
24:01 Is there a danger that we could be telling someone,
24:04 there's a way out of depression for you, when
24:06 really there just isn't?
24:08 NN: No danger.
24:10 Of course, we've dealt with hundreds and thousands of
24:12 patients, but in our treatment resistance program,
24:17 the most common complaint we get from people coming is
24:20 they're thinking they're going to be the first one who
24:25 does not respond to the treatments and the modalities
24:29 that we utilize.
24:30 They think that nothing is going to help them.
24:32 Their relatives have made them come.
24:34 But at the end of the program they find out that they
24:36 respond as well.
24:38 And what I have to tell these people who think that there's
24:40 no way out for them is, do you think the biggest expert
24:45 in depression might not know something about it?
24:48 And if the biggest expert in depression might not know
24:51 something about it, perhaps that individual doesn't know
24:53 something about it, and what they don't know might
24:56 actually help them.
24:57 And so there is a way out for everyone.
25:02 And if they find the underlying cause, I have no
25:05 doubt that there's a solution to bring them out of
25:07 depression.
25:08 JB: Thank you for joining me today.
25:10 This has been a blessing.
25:11 I just believe that people are going to get their lives
25:14 back again out of that vice-like grip of depression,
25:18 liberated, we've seen it happen in so many lives many,
25:21 many times, liberated to lead full, productive, joy-filled,
25:25 solid lives, rejoicing in the Lord.
25:27 NN: Amen.
25:30 JB: Friend, I want that person to be you if you are
25:31 suffering from depression, or if you know somebody who is,
25:34 let them know.
25:35 Go to, get some good materials, follow the
25:38 plan that we've been talking about here, because there is
25:41 a cure, there is a way out of depression, and God wants you
25:46 to experience what David wrote about when he said that
25:49 in God's presence there is fullness of joy.
25:53 I want to pray for you.
25:54 Dr. Nedley and I are going to pray for you now and ask that
25:57 God will bless you and those you know and love who are
26:02 battling this difficult thing.
26:04 Let us pray.
26:05 Our Father in heaven, we thank you today for Jesus,
26:09 the Way, the Truth and the Life.
26:11 And I am grateful that he said that he came to this
26:13 world that we might have life more abundantly.
26:17 Lord, I pray that you'll help us all to think healthy
26:21 thoughts, to have minds that are centered in your Word, to
26:25 be livers of lives that are grounded, founded, rooted in
26:31 the principles of heaven that will bring us joy and joy
26:35 everlasting.
26:37 Help us to be glad and grateful today that there is
26:39 a God who loves us and a God who has the way out of
26:42 difficulties, just waiting for us to find and follow.
26:46 We thank you today and we pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
26:51 JB: In the past two programs I have been speaking with Dr.
26:53 Neil Nedley on the subject of depression.
26:57 Our free offer for you this week is a free DVD produced
27:00 by Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression.
27:04 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression I
27:07 encourage you to call us today and order this free
27:09 DVD.
27:11 Now please note that this offer is limited to the
27:14 supply on hand.
27:16 Our toll-free number is 1-800-253-3000.
27:19 Ask for the "free depression DVD".
27:23 You could also request today's offer by writing to
27:26 It is Written, Box O, Thousand Oaks, California,
27:29 91359.
27:31 Thanks for your letters and for your continued support.
27:35 JB: Thanks for joining me today.
27:36 You know, it is encouraging to know that God has very
27:39 real help for us, even in the midst of our most difficult
27:42 battles.
27:44 For more of my conversation with Dr. Nedley, please to go
27:47 our website,
27:50 There, you'll be able to watch parts of this
27:52 conversation that we were not able to include in today's
27:54 program.
27:56 I'll look forward to seeing you again next time.
27:58 Until then, please remember, it is written, man shall not
28:02 live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from
28:06 the mouth of God.


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