It Is Written

The New Age Conspiracy

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00:07 It has stood the test of time, God4s book,
00:13 the Bible.
00:17 Still relevant in today4s complex world.
00:22 It is written ...sharing hope around the globe.
00:36 Thanks for joining me today on It Is Written.
00:39 Today, a very special guest, best selling author Will Barron
00:43 sharing not only his experience in the New Age movement,
00:46 but also how the New Age movement is impacting
00:49 and infiltrating Christianity today.
00:53 JB: Will, thank you so much for joining me today.
00:55 WB: Pleasure to be here today.
00:57 JB: We have already talked about how you became
01:00 entangled from having been a Christian, became entangled
01:04 in the New Age movement and then the Lord miraculously
01:07 delivered you from that.
01:08 Today, let's talk about what's going on within
01:10 Christianity.
01:11 You speak as one who was commissioned at one stage to
01:15 infiltrate Christian churches and bring into Christian
01:19 churches New Age ideas, practices and disciplines.
01:23 What are some of the things that have gone from the
01:26 New Age movement into Christianity that people are
01:29 familiar with today.
01:30 WB: There are primarily two New Age practices that are
01:34 infiltrating Christianity.
01:36 One of them is eastern mystical meditation,
01:38 also known as transcendental meditation, which is
01:42 infiltrating in Christian circles under the name of
01:45 Christian meditation and the second would be
01:49 the infiltration of yoga into Christian circles.
01:53 My personal spirit guide that was a counterfeit Jesus Christ
01:58 told me to infiltrate Christian churches, to introduce this
02:03 so-called Christian meditation into Christian churches.
02:07 In today's society, when people talk about the word meditation,
02:12 they invariably now think of Eastern meditation.
02:15 This is a practice we will sit quietly, either in a chair,
02:19 or possibly sitting on the floor in a cross-legged
02:22 position, which is a yoga-posture position.
02:26 People will close their eyes.
02:28 They will tend to keep their spine erect.
02:31 They will go through preliminary breathing
02:34 exercises, deep breathing exercises.
02:37 This is coming from the yoga, breath control techniques.
02:40 They will endeavor to blank out their mind of all thoughts
02:44 and ideas and have their mind then open,
02:48 supposedly, to the impression of God or the Holy Spirit.
02:52 What I described is totally from the eastern pagan
02:57 religion of Hinduism and Buddhism.
02:59 It has no description, whatsoever, in the Bible.
03:03 JB: What is so wrong about sitting in a certain position?
03:07 What is so wrong about clearing one's mind.
03:11 So the Buddhists do it, so the yoga practitioners do it.
03:14 Does that make it wrong, Will?
03:16 WB: It does.
03:17 Absolutely.
03:18 The danger is that these are occult practices designed to
03:25 enhance communication with spirit beings and people that
03:29 are involved in pagan religion such as buddhism and
03:32 hinduism, they are communicating with spirits
03:35 but these are not the true spirit of God.
03:38 These are not God's angels that they are communicating
03:41 with.
03:42 Invariably, they are demonic spirits, masquerading as
03:45 angels of light.
03:46 This practice is absolutely dangerous.
03:50 It is so dangerous that I am encouraged, I have a passion
03:55 to warn people not to be involved in this kind of
03:57 practice.
03:59 JB: A person would be saying 'We do this in church and we
04:02 are calling out to Jesus' so what's so dangers?
04:05 I understand you told me where it comes from, what
04:07 it's used for, what it is to enhance.
04:10 What's so dangerous for a Christian to get involved
04:12 with this?
04:13 Where can it lead?
04:14 WB: Since my book DECEIVED The New Age was published in
04:17 1990, which is 22 years ago, I have done quite a lot of
04:22 counseling of Christians that have started to practice yoga
04:27 and started to practice this eastern meditation.
04:30 They had teachers telling them that this was Christian
04:34 meditation and the results of their practice has been very
04:40 negative and has been demonic and they have approached me
04:43 for counsel because it has opened the door to demonic
04:47 harassment, to the influence of demonic spirits and
04:50 I maintain from personal experience this type of
04:53 practice is absolutely dangerous and it has no part
04:58 in the Bible at all.
04:59 It is not described in the Bible at all.
05:02 The meditation that is described in the Bible is
05:06 simply the reading of God's Word, the study of God's
05:09 Word, and the normal intellectual process of
05:12 thinking about what you have read and applying it
05:15 to your life.
05:16 Meditation in the Bible has nothing at all to do with
05:21 deep breathing techniques, sitting quietly in yoga lotus
05:26 position.
05:27 Those are all from pagan religions.
05:30 JB: So what you're saying is, used in a pagan context,
05:33 these practices are simply the doorway to communicating
05:37 with evil spirits brought into the Christian context.
05:40 It's still the same doorway.
05:42 WB: It's an evil doorway and it is downright dangerous.
05:46 JB: So you can't Christianize it by bringing it into
05:47 Christianity.
05:49 WB: If you study the Old Testament, constantly the
05:54 Israelites were trying to adopt pagan religion customs
05:58 and constantly God was sending prophets to tell the
06:02 Israelites DO NOT practice pagan relation customs
06:07 because it is dangerous.
06:08 JB: You know, Yoga is really common in Christianity today,
06:11 shockingly common.
06:13 It's nothing these days for churches to be offering what
06:16 they call Christian yoga.
06:18 I'm going to read a definition of yoga.
06:20 Here's a definition of what yoga is.
06:24 "Yoga is a physical, mental and spiritual discipline
06:28 originating in ancient India.
06:29 The goal of yoga or of the person practicing yoga
06:34 [this is interesting] is the attainment of a state of
06:37 perfect spiritual insight and tranquility while meditating
06:41 on the Hindu concept of divinity or Brahmin.
06:44 The word associated with meditative practices in
06:46 Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism."
06:49 Can something like that really be brought into a
06:51 church now?
06:53 Now this is the pathway to Satan, the pathway we are now
06:56 using as the pathway to Jesus.
06:58 It doesn't look like that would be possible, does it?
07:01 WB: The very word yoga comes from Sanrit and it is
07:06 connected with the English word, yoke.
07:09 Jesus told us that we should be yoked to Him because His
07:13 burden is light and his yoke is easy.
07:16 True Christian yoga is to be yoked to Jesus.
07:21 The yoga of the Hindu religion is a system of
07:26 spiritual practice whose goal is to yoke you to the gods of
07:31 Hinduism.
07:33 There are hundreds of pagan deitists in Hinduism and the
07:36 goal of yoga is to yoke or connect you or to bring about
07:43 a state of union.
07:44 The word yoga literally means union -- union with the gods
07:48 of Hinduism.
07:49 The whole goal of salvation is to deliver us from the
07:53 Satanic pagan evil forces that are out there.
07:58 JB: Absolutely.
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08:39 JB: I'm glad you joined me today on It is Written.
08:41 I'm John Bradshaw.
08:42 My special guest here today is best-selling author, Will
08:45 Barron, whose book Deceived by the New Age has been very
08:50 successful in exposing what are essentially lies of the
08:53 enemy of souls, lies that have crept into Christianity
08:57 and are being accepted by many people today as truth.
09:00 Will, just a moment ago, we were speaking about Yoga.
09:03 Let's carry on with that because this is something
09:06 that Christian churches are embracing and offering to
09:08 their members and offering to the community.
09:10 I'm going to read another definition, if you don't mind.
09:13 "Kundalini yoga is a physical, mental and
09:16 spiritual discipline for developing strength,
09:18 awareness, character and consciences.
09:21 So far, that sounds innocuous enough.
09:24 Practices call it the YOGA of Awareness because it focuses
09:28 primarily on practices that expand sensory awareness and
09:31 intuition.
09:33 In order to raise individual consciousness [and here is
09:36 where it gets very fascinating] and merge it
09:38 with the infinite consciousness of god Brahmin."
09:42 There's nothing subtle about that.
09:44 Christians are grabbing hold of this?
09:46 WB: Some are.
09:48 The most advanced type of yoga would be Kundalini yoga.
09:51 Within Hinduism, the very word Kundalini is a reference
09:58 to the uncoiling of the serpent power.
10:03 So no, we are not just talking about physical
10:07 exercises.
10:09 We're talking about within Hindu yoga, language that is
10:14 saying that there is a serpent power inside of you
10:18 and there is a serpent power that the god consciousness
10:24 can inspire within you and that this power can bring you
10:30 yogic powers or mystical powers and have mystical
10:34 consciousness experiences.
10:37 Now John, let me ask you.
10:39 Where do you think serpent power comes from?
10:42 This is part of mainstream Hinduism.
10:45 JB: There's nothing subtle about that idea of the serpent.
10:47 As Christians, we go back to the Garden of Eden and
10:50 recognize that this was the tool of Satan to bring sin
10:52 and misery and death into the world and when we think about
10:55 this, how is it possible that we can put a christianizing
10:58 on it?
10:59 How can we baptize this and talk about what is
11:02 essentially, take something from the realm of myth.
11:05 It has nothing to do with the reality of Christianity.
11:08 It's mythical inasmuch as some of these things that are
11:11 talked about have no basis in biblical fact but real in the
11:16 sense that there is an enemy who is an expert of deception.
11:20 WB: The tragedy is that most Christians that get involved
11:24 with yoga will start out with Hatha yoga, the physical
11:27 exercises, the breathing postures, the stretching
11:32 exercises, and this is promoted by New Agers, as a
11:36 means of attaining better health.
11:38 JB: Is it true?
11:39 Are there benefits in ...
11:40 I mean, it seems to me it would be good for us to
11:42 stretch and so forth, that sort of exercise.
11:45 WB: It probably is.
11:46 There probably is a benefit of exercise value with that
11:52 type of Hatha yoga.
11:53 However ...
11:54 JB: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I gotta ask you this, I see,
11:55 and I think this is the "however."
11:58 Someone is watching this right now.
11:59 They say "I pastor the church" or "I'm the women's
12:01 ministry leader" or something like that "and we do yoga and
12:07 we just get the ladies or the men to stretch, and we're
12:09 doing this and we're finding that people are being
12:10 helped."
12:12 WB: The danger is that this type of yoga invariable leads
12:16 to transcendental-type meditation and it is the
12:20 practice of this transcendental meditation
12:23 that opens people up to demonic influence.
12:27 This is a Hindu-mystical occult practice and I suggest
12:32 that people keep away from it.
12:33 There are many other exercises you can practice
12:36 without getting involved in what is essentially a Hindu
12:40 spiritual practice.
12:42 JB: I've read some interesting articles about
12:44 yoga recently.
12:45 One of them -- and this is interesting -- one of these
12:48 articles about yoga said that not every yoga teacher is
12:51 qualified to teach yoga, and we're talking the stretching
12:53 aspects.
12:55 You can hurt yourself doing that.
12:57 And this was an article on a mainstream website saying
13:00 Please be careful.
13:01 It's not everything you think.
13:03 But the photograph of them showed when they had
13:06 finished, they were sitting in the lotus position with
13:12 their hands held just so.
13:14 There was more to it than just stretching.
13:16 WB: This is a spiritual exercise, a very dangerous
13:19 spiritual exercise.
13:20 JB: So for Christians who believe we can do this just
13:23 for the physical benefits, you are saying you cannot
13:26 possibly disentangle the spiritual danger from any
13:29 physical benefit.
13:31 WB: That is correct.
13:31 There are other ways of having spiritual exercises.
13:34 There are other methods of stretching.
13:36 There are other methods of dynamically exercising.
13:39 My suggestion, my recommendation, my plea: keep
13:43 away from yoga.
13:45 JB: And you know, you've written the book Deceived by
13:47 the New Age.
13:48 You know whereof you speak.
13:49 WB: Yes.
13:51 JB: I respect that and appreciate that very much.
13:53 Let's move to another subject here.
13:57 The Wicca religion, if we can call it that.
14:02 Very fast growing.
14:03 It's growing in number of adherence and in acceptance
14:06 in society today.
14:08 There is a British author who has written a number of books
14:18 dealing with a young fellow whose name was Harry Potter.
14:21 Now, a lot of people have spoken about Harry Potter.
14:22 This isn't new.
14:23 The Harry Potter books are all over now, but they are
14:25 still everywhere.
14:26 Many parents, even Christian parents, were saying at least
14:29 my kid is reading.
14:31 At least my child is enjoying literature now.
14:34 Can these books be innocuous and harmless when in the
14:39 hands in Christians?
14:40 WB: I would say my major plunge into New Age
14:45 spirituality occurred through reading fiction occult books.
14:51 JB: Can they be harmless or are they always harmful?
14:55 WB: I believe they are always harmful.
14:57 JB: You became, it says on the cover of your book, a New
15:00 Age Priest.
15:01 You were a card-carrying, fully paid up, totally
15:03 immersed, giving your life to this New Age movement.
15:06 You began through books and movies.
15:09 WB: Yes.
15:10 Occult books and occult movies.
15:12 Yes.
15:13 JB: There's somebody saying "You're saying that my kid is
15:15 going to turn into a devil because he is reading
15:17 Harry Potter books."
15:19 I don't think we're saying that every child is going to
15:21 slide all the way to hell because he or she looked at a
15:24 book, so explain to me why these books are so harmful
15:29 and why we cannot just pass them off as harmless fiction.
15:32 WB: Because the books are really not fully fiction.
15:36 They are what we would call fiction.
15:40 They are fiction books but they are best on genuine
15:44 occult information, occult experience and occult
15:48 teachings, and occult spiritual practice.
15:51 What happened to me when I started to look at occult
15:55 movies and started to read occult books, and in my heart
16:00 I had a sense that this isn't just fiction, there is
16:05 something real about the message in these books and it
16:09 was my striving, my goal to find the real power, although
16:17 I started out reading fiction books, I migrated over into
16:21 reading non-fiction occult books, because I was looking
16:25 for that kind of power.
16:27 Kids will read Harry Potter books and kids relate to
16:33 Harry Potter, to the challenges that he had to
16:36 make sense out of his life,to make meaning out of his life,
16:40 to have purpose in life and to have power over your life.
16:45 And they will want that same power, that same meaning, and
16:49 invariably having being subjected to the fiction
16:53 aspect, they will then start going to bookstores and
16:57 looking for the real books on Wicca or the witchcraft
17:01 religion.
17:03 JB: It seems to me too I could boil it down and make
17:04 it this simple.
17:05 You read about Superman and you say "wouldn't it be great
17:08 to be able to fly?
17:11 Wouldn't it be cool to be able to be as strong as
17:13 Superman."
17:14 But we are never going to be able to fly and we are never
17:16 going to bend steel bars in our hands.
17:19 But a child will read Harry Potter and say "wouldn't it
17:21 be cool to be able to do some of that stuff?"
17:24 The fact of the matter is, a kid could do some of that
17:27 stuff."
17:28 WB: He could.
17:29 Yes, through occult practices you do have the power to do
17:33 what is done in the Harry Potter books.
17:36 JB: Will, it's explosive stuff and it is very powerful
17:38 and it's very real.
17:40 Looking forward to coming back in just a moment and
17:42 speaking more with Will Barron about the New Age or
17:44 the New spirituality and how it's impacting and
17:48 infiltrating Christianity.
17:49 More, right ahead.
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18:18 JB: Thanks for joining me today on It Is Written.
18:20 With me, best-selling author Will Barron whose book
18:23 Deceived by the New Age ..
18:27 it wasn't written yesterday.
18:28 It's been out for 20 years now.
18:29 What is so interesting about this book, a best-selling
18:31 book is that its warnings sounded 20 years ago, are
18:36 more relevant today even than they were two decades ago.
18:39 Are you surprised by that Will?
18:42 You blew the whistle on the New Age movement two decades
18:44 ago but it's present in Christianity more strongly
18:47 now than it has ever been.
18:48 Are you surprised by that?
18:49 Not at all.
18:50 Because all this has been prophesied in the Bible.
18:53 The Bible does prophesy that there will be apostasy in the
18:56 last days.
18:57 It prophesy's that Satan will be at work with greater
19:02 power, with greater deceivableness and we are not
19:06 seeing it infiltrate more strongly in the Christian
19:09 church than ever before.
19:11 And in our regular secular world, New Age is no longer
19:14 weird, it is no longer off-beat, it is now becoming
19:19 mainstream part of American culture and culture
19:23 throughout the world.
19:24 JB: Where do we see it in American culture?
19:26 Give me an example of where you would say "here, and here
19:29 and here, this is where we see New Age phenomena"
19:32 accepted.
19:33 WB: For example, a lot of people are aware that
19:38 physical fitness leads to good health.
19:40 JB: Sure.
19:41 WB: But if you look at the advertisements for these
19:44 different fitness centers, they all promote yoga and
19:47 they all promote meditation as a form of relaxation.
19:51 Within the health professions now, you have a lot of
19:55 alternative health care practitioners at work within
19:59 mainstream medical practices who are now using mystical
20:04 power and mystical energies as a means of endeavoring to
20:08 produce healing, so you find it in the health professions,
20:12 within psychology.
20:15 A lot of psychologists now are adopting New Age
20:17 philosophies as part of their psychology discipline.
20:22 JB: I was very surprised speaking with someone close
20:24 to me recently who was very ill, describing this sort of
20:27 treatment being experienced, and it was mystical.
20:30 She runs her hand up my back and she can find the energy
20:33 centers and she tells me whether the energy is up or
20:37 down and then ...
20:38 this doesn't have a any basis in science.
20:39 It's not scientific.
20:41 You can't prove this stuff.
20:44 It's clearly mystical and it came directly from the New Age.
20:48 WB: Yes.
20:49 It's part of the main streaming of the New Age
20:52 spirituality movement.
20:54 JB: What you've already told me too is that the New Age
20:56 movement has been on a mission to mainstream itself.
20:58 WB: Absolutely.
20:59 JB: It's been very successful, hasn't it?
21:01 WB: Yes.
21:02 JB: Why are people buying it?
21:03 The person who told me this is a rationale thinker, a
21:07 clear thinking, a scientific thinker.
21:10 Now also is very sick.
21:13 Why are people falling for this?
21:15 WB: Because Satanic power is real.
21:18 These healers, through the agency of Satan's demons, do
21:25 have certain powers and we know from the book of
21:29 Revelation that there will be signs, miracles and wonders
21:33 manifested by Satan and his devils.
21:36 So when people go to a New Age practitioner who may not
21:39 be practicing under this world "New Age", they are
21:45 just practicing what they call alternative therapies or
21:48 natural therapies, they are using demonic power and this
21:53 power can be felt.
21:55 They can be sensations.
21:56 They can be feelings of warmth or feelings of
21:59 relaxation.
22:01 The demonic spirits are able to beam that kind of power
22:04 upon people and it looks like it works, in the short term,
22:09 but I know from personal experience the longer that I
22:12 was involved in the New Age, the sicker I became.
22:17 JB: Christians have, and rightly so, at least many
22:21 Christians, a desire to get closer to God, to know God
22:23 better, to enrich their spiritual life.
22:27 I've heard some talk about something called
22:29 Contemplative prayer.
22:31 Can you unpack that for me?
22:32 What is contemplative prayer.
22:34 What is involved in that and are there dangers in
22:37 contemplative prayer?
22:39 WB: Well, I think it is good, that Christians want to get
22:44 close to God, want to know God, want to experience God,
22:49 want to have intimacy with God.
22:52 This is wonderful.
22:54 The danger is that the contemplative prayer movement
22:58 has adopted eastern mysticism techniques as a means of
23:04 trying to get closer to God, and these are very, very
23:06 dangerous and I don't believe for one moment that it is
23:11 God's will that you use pagan Hindu mystical meditation
23:16 techniques as a means of getting closer to the God of
23:19 the Bible.
23:20 JB: Speaking of the God of the Bible, Will, are there
23:22 any Biblical principles or a couple of Bible verses that
23:25 you would recommend as being guiding principles to help
23:28 people steer clear of the New Age, new spirituality
23:32 corruptions and stay close to Jesus in this troubled world?
23:36 WB: What comes to my mind is the way Jesus lived, and the
23:40 spirituality that Jesus had.
23:42 In all the dialogue that Jesus had with the Pharisees
23:46 and the Sadducees and the priests, He constantly
23:50 referred to the Scriptures, constantly.
23:53 He would say "It is written."
23:56 If we want to know God, we can know God through the
24:02 Scriptures.
24:04 JB: If we stand on the Word of God, we are always going
24:07 to be okay, aren't we?
24:09 WB: Absolutely, yes.
24:10 JB: Will Barron, you wrote this marvelous book Deceived
24:13 by the New Age.
24:15 I am very thankful for it.
24:16 I am thankful that it has helped many people find their
24:18 way out of the New Age, out of what today we call the new
24:22 spirituality and to Jesus.
24:23 I am thankful for what God has done in your life and I
24:25 am very, very thankful that you have been here today to
24:28 share with people watching It Is Written.
24:31 It's wonderful what God has done for you.
24:34 Thank you very much.
24:35 WB: Thank you.
24:36 JB: I'd like to encourage you to go to out website,
24:38 itiswritten.com, where you will find additional material
24:40 from Will Barron, material that we have not had time to
24:42 include in today's program, and also remember, this is
24:44 Part 2 of the two part series.
24:46 Part 1 can be seen at our website
24:48 itiswritten.com/television.
24:52 Today we've been taking about a very important topic.
24:55 Something that affects many, many people.
24:56 Something that is confronting Christianity today.
24:59 Will, thanks for joining us.
25:00 But what I know, before we go, there are many people
25:03 that are wanting us and needing us to pray for them
25:05 right now, and ask for God's special power to be delivered
25:08 from the New Age, or that family members might be
25:11 delivered, as you were, by the grace of God.
25:13 Let's pray together, can we?
25:17 Our Father in heaven, we thank you for that great
25:19 promise in the Bible.
25:19 It says "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in
25:21 the world."
25:22 I pray that you would guide us, guide us on a clear path,
25:23 a safe path, on the narrow path that avoids the pitfalls
25:26 and the potholes of this new spirituality or the New Age
25:32 movement.
25:33 Certainly there are things that you can bring into our
25:37 lives to deepen our relationship with you.
25:39 But I pray that you will keep us from the bad, keep us from
25:42 the dangerous.
25:44 I know that right now there are people saying Lord, "free
25:46 me, freedom, Lord" and there are people who are crying out
25:49 "Lord, free my son or my daughter, free my brother or
25:53 my sister, and let your power work in those lives.
25:55 We thank you that we can be sure in you.
25:58 Keep us please.
26:00 Preserve us until the coming of Jesus.
26:02 We ask you in Jesus' name, amen.
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