It Is Written

Depression and Its Causes

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00:01 The Bible says that people should
00:03 rejoice evermore.
00:06 So what if you're somebody who suffers from depression,
00:09 as do one in ten American adults?
00:12 Depression can seriously impact a person's Christian
00:15 experience, and depression has been implicated in the
00:18 deaths of very many people.
00:20 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with Dr.
00:23 Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions.
00:27 Today, part one of a two-part series on depression, its
00:30 causes and its cures.
00:33 Thanks for joining me today.
00:42 It has stood the test of time.
00:46 God's book.
00:48 The Bible.
00:51 Still relevant in today's complex world.
00:56 It is written sharing hope around the globe.
01:11 Dr. Nedley, thank you very much for joining me today.
01:13 I'm just so thankful you've been able to make this time.
01:16 NN: Thanks for inviting me, John.
01:18 I'm glad to be here.
01:19 JB: Depression.
01:20 Let's start right at the beginning.
01:23 What is it?
01:24 NN: It is an epidemic in our society today.
01:27 It's dramatically increasing and it causes a lot of deep
01:31 sadness.
01:32 That's what most people equate with depression,
01:35 feelings of deep sadness.
01:37 But, you know, that's not the only symptom that you get.
01:40 You can actually not have that symptom, you can just
01:43 have a feeling of emptiness and have depression.
01:46 JB: Now when you talk about depression, you know, people,
01:48 PEOPLE have a bad day and they're not depressed.
01:51 People can be sad and not be depressed, they can just be
01:53 sad.
01:55 So there's a difference between being in a funk and
01:57 experiencing what is technically known as
01:59 depression.
02:00 NN: Yes.
02:01 JB: So how do we really describe this technical
02:03 depression?
02:04 If someone's depressed, they're going to exhibit
02:06 what?
02:07 NN: They're going to exhibit five, at least five of nine
02:10 symptoms for the majority of the time for the last two
02:13 weeks or more.
02:16 JB: Okay, so there are nine symptoms that qualify in this
02:19 basket known as depression.
02:21 NN: Correct.
02:22 JB: If you've got five of them, you're depressed.
02:25 NN: You have depression, yeah, as long as you have
02:26 those five the majority of the time.
02:28 So if you're sad for just one day out of 14, it doesn't
02:30 count.
02:30 But if you're sad the majority of the last 14 days,
02:35 then that would be symptom number one right there.
02:37 JB: Okay.
02:38 We're going to talk about those symptoms in just
02:39 a moment.
02:40 But first let's point out a couple of things.
02:42 One in 10 Americans suffer depression, correct?
02:45 NN: Correct.
02:45 Yes, right now as we're speaking.
02:47 JB: Okay.
02:48 And how does that break down by gender?
02:50 NN: Well, one of four women will suffer from it at some
02:51 point in their life.
02:53 One out of eight men.
02:55 So it's twice as common in women as it is in men.
02:58 And it's actually increasing.
02:59 Those are kind of old statistics.
03:01 It may be, this newer generation, it looks like
03:03 it's going to be a one out of two lifetime risk for girls
03:06 that are growing up today, suffering from major
03:10 depression.
03:11 JB: One out of two?
03:12 NN: One out of two is what it's looking like.
03:14 JB: That is an epidemic.
03:16 NN: It is an epidemic, yeah.
03:17 It's dramatically increasing.
03:18 Each successive generation when we look at it from
03:22 a epidemiological standpoint, each successive generation
03:25 has had significantly more depression than the previous
03:28 generation.
03:29 JB: And my understanding is that, I don't want to
03:32 overstate this, but I'll tell you what I think and you can
03:34 correct me if you need to.
03:36 The majority of people who suffer depression aren't
03:39 aware that what they have is depression.
03:41 NN: That's true.
03:42 Actually, it's been well documented that about half of
03:46 people with major depression in the United States alone
03:50 are not diagnosed with it.
03:53 In other words, they haven't sought help, they haven't
03:56 gone to a caregiver to find out why they're having the
03:58 symptoms that they're having, and they just think it's a
04:01 normal part of their existence for where they're
04:04 at in life.
04:05 But depression is not normal.
04:06 It shouldn't be considered a normal part of existence.
04:10 JB: So there will be a lot of people watching us today who
04:14 might be completely unaware that they suffer from
04:18 depression.
04:19 NN: Yeah, they might learn something as a result of this
04:21 and might realize that they're actually suffering
04:23 from it.
04:24 JB: Okay.
04:25 Today we're talking about depression and its causes,
04:27 and a moment ago we talked about these nine points, if
04:30 you have five of them for the majority of the time over two
04:32 weeks, you're depressed.
04:34 NN: Yes.
04:35 JB: What are those?
04:36 Do you have time to talk about what those five points
04:38 are?
04:39 NN: Sure.
04:39 Yes.
04:40 The first one would be either a deep sadness or emptiness.
04:42 Men tend to feel the emptiness, women more of the
04:45 sadness, although the men can get sad too.
04:48 Women will tend to have crying spells where something
04:54 they preferred not happen, happened and they start to
04:57 cry and they say, well, that wasn't that bad, why am I
04:59 crying?
05:01 And so they'll tend to seek help a little more than men.
05:03 Men just tend to feel empty and think that that's normal.
05:06 But either one qualifies as symptom number one.
05:08 The second is apathy.
05:10 This is where you wake up in the morning and you're not
05:12 really interested in the day's activities.
05:16 You get up out of a sense of responsibility but you're not
05:19 really interested in the day.
05:21 And that is not a normal symptom to have the majority
05:24 of the time, and so apathy is distinctly abnormal.
05:28 The third one is agitation.
05:32 This is where you're more irritable than you used to be
05:35 or you would also qualify for symptom number three if
05:41 you've had a slowing of your muscle movement.
05:43 You've just kind of slowed down.
05:45 A lot of people don't recognize this until they see
05:46 themselves on a video that they've slowed down, but the
05:50 irritability and the slowness, that's the one the
05:52 individual may not recognize themselves, and they'll have
05:54 to ask their spouse, am I more irritable than I used to
05:56 be?
05:58 The spouse will definitely tell you, or your friends
06:00 might tell you that as well.
06:01 The fourth is a lack of concentration.
06:06 This is where you don't really have the ability to
06:11 sort things through to make complex decisions and you
06:15 recognize that you're just not able to do that mental
06:19 task like you used to.
06:22 Another symptom is sleep disturbances.
06:24 The most common sleep disturbance in someone with
06:26 depression is early-morning awakening.
06:29 This is where they go to bed, they can sleep okay, but then
06:33 they wake up too early and can't get back to sleep.
06:36 But you would also qualify for this symptom if you had
06:39 insomnia.
06:40 In other words, you're not able to go to sleep well.
06:42 Or if you have hypersomnia.
06:44 Many people with depression suffer from just being sleepy
06:47 all the time.
06:49 We have people who come to our program who have been
06:52 sleeping 20 hours a day for weeks.
06:55 Severe depression.
06:57 And so that's another symptom.
06:59 Another symptom is weight or appetite changes.
07:01 The most common is weight gain.
07:03 People tend to self-medicate themselves with chocolate
07:06 and soda pop and food, and as a result of this
07:10 self-medicating they tend to gain weight, but rather
07:13 severe sudden onset depression often has anorexia
07:17 or weight loss.
07:19 JB: So it can go either way.
07:20 NN: It can go either way, yeah.
07:21 Another symptom is fatigue.
07:24 Now fatigue is different than apathy.
07:27 Apathy means that you don't have the interest in the
07:29 day's activities, fatigue means you just are tired
07:32 and you don't know why you're tired.
07:34 You run out of energy and you'd like to have more.
07:37 And that's a very prominent symptom in the people that
07:40 see me as a physician in an internal medicine office.
07:44 And then the more severe symptoms tend to be
07:47 associated with morbid thoughts.
07:49 This is where the individual has a preoccupation with
07:54 death or symbols of death.
07:57 And so it's not just thinking about taking your own life,
07:59 although that would definitely qualify.
08:01 It might be fantasizing about someone else being dead.
08:05 Or just preoccupation with death in general.
08:07 And we are seeing that a lot more commonly today with
08:10 people tattooing skeletons and symbols of death.
08:14 There's even a new bathing suit line that my wife showed
08:16 me in a fashion magazine that just came out where the
08:19 ladies' bathing suits are all skeletons, and people are
08:24 resonating with this.
08:25 If you resonate with that, it's a sign that it's a
08:27 morbid thought.
08:28 Not really normal, and if you have the other symptoms that
08:32 go along with it, it could be a clear sign that you're
08:35 experiencing depression.
08:37 And companies are capitalizing on people's
08:40 morbid thoughts by changing their fashion statements to
08:45 resonate with them.
08:46 JB: Right.
08:47 And if a person has five of those pretty consistently
08:49 over a two-week period, that person really might well
08:52 could be clinically depressed.
08:55 NN: Exactly.
08:56 JB: But there is a way out.
08:57 NN: There is.
08:58 JB: Thank God for that.
08:59 NN: Yes.
09:00 JB: And we're going to talk a little bit more about the
09:02 causes of depression, what causes this stuff to actually
09:05 take place in just a couple of moments.
09:09 Depression, serious business.
09:11 The Bible says that we ought to be full of joy as
09:14 believers in Jesus.
09:15 That's not always the case for everybody.
09:18 Don't go away, we'll be back in a moment with more.
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09:55 JB: Thanks for joining me today.
09:56 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with Dr.
09:59 Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions and
10:02 the founder of the Nedley Clinic.
10:06 Dr. Nedley, you are, in fact, an internal medicine
10:09 physician.
10:10 NN: Correct.
10:11 JB: But you've become very interested in and very
10:13 effective at treating depression.
10:16 NN: Yes.
10:17 JB: So how did you get from A to B?
10:19 How did that happen?
10:20 NN: Well, it's kind of interesting.
10:21 When I was a faculty member at Kettering Medical Center,
10:25 Wright State University, I used to teach residents.
10:28 And I used to teach my residents in internal
10:30 medicine that they needed to learn the common diseases
10:33 well.
10:35 I wanted them to learn pneumonia as good as a
10:37 pulmonologist.
10:38 I wanted them to learn congestive heart failure as
10:40 good as a cardiologist, or gastroesophageal reflux
10:43 disease as good as a gastroenterologist.
10:46 Why?
10:46 Because they were going to be seeing these diseases almost
10:49 every day of their life and they really needed to know
10:53 as much as the expert does in the common diseases.
10:57 After I finished my teaching career I set up a practice,
11:01 the Nedley Clinic, you just mentioned it, in Ardmore,
11:04 Oklahoma, and there was an article that crossed my desk
11:07 from the Archives of Internal Medicine showing that up to
11:11 one in three people that an internist sees is suffering
11:15 from major depression.
11:17 And I thought, well, that's not true in my patient
11:19 population in Oklahoma.
11:20 But I thought, you know, I can't just assume that, we'll
11:22 test them.
11:24 So I had them go through the little screening test,
11:27 the nine-point screening test that we discussed earlier,
11:30 when they came in and I found out that it wasn't quite that
11:33 high, it was about one in four, but then it struck me,
11:36 common disease.
11:37 Do I know this as good as a psychiatrist?
11:40 And I had to admit that I didn't and so I started to
11:43 learn at the feet of preeminent psychiatrists,
11:47 and then I recognized my need of more study because there
11:51 hadn't been enough research done on the actual underlying
11:53 causes.
11:56 And as an internist, when I see swollen feet, I don't
12:00 diagnose swollen-foot syndrome and send them out
12:03 the door with a diuretic, I try to find the cause of the
12:06 swollen feet, of which there can be about 100 different
12:08 causes.
12:10 And so I thought let's try to find out what are the real
12:13 causes of depression, and I did some extra research and
12:16 that's how I started to get very involved in this and
12:20 then started treating my own patients with results that
12:23 were far better than what I had ever anticipated.
12:26 JB: I've seen the results of what you've done.
12:29 Your depression recovery seminars have been held from
12:32 sea to shining sea in many, many places.
12:34 I recall seeing the results of depression recovery
12:37 seminars, no names were shown, I must point that out,
12:40 and my friend said, this red line is how depressed people
12:43 were, this green line is how undepressed they were, or how
12:46 they were at the end.
12:47 And I said to my friend, who had conducted this Neil
12:50 Nedley Depression Recovery Seminar, are you fudging the
12:53 results..
12:54 NN: (LAUGHTER) JB:...
12:55 because they were so dramatic.
12:57 Depression is something a person can come back from.
13:00 NN: Absolutely, absolutely.
13:02 JB: Okay, well, what causes it?
13:04 What are these underlying causes?
13:05 NN: Well, there are 10 categories of causes that we
13:08 uncovered in our research.
13:11 And there's actually over 100 separate identifiable causes
13:14 for depression, but they can be categorized in 10
13:18 different ways.
13:19 And you have to have four of those categories of causes
13:22 before you end up with depression or anxiety
13:25 disorder.
13:27 But one of them is frontal lobe causes.
13:29 That's the one that we deal with first.
13:32 The frontal lobe of the brain is the front portion of the
13:35 brain.
13:36 It's the analytical portion of the brain.
13:39 Scientific studies show it's the seat of spirituality,
13:42 morality and the will.
13:44 It's the reason why we are spiritual beings and human
13:48 beings worship because our frontal lobe size is so much
13:51 greater than cats and dogs that you don't see in worship
13:55 services, because they can't identify with it.
13:58 But the frontal lobe circulation when it goes
14:01 down, it is a major setup for depression or anxiety
14:06 disorders and there's a lot of different things that can
14:09 fit under the categories of what can suppress or enhance
14:11 frontal-lobe function.
14:13 JB: I've got to jump in with "such as" ...
14:15 give me three, four or five pretty quickly.
14:17 Things that suppress frontal-lobe functions.
14:19 NN: Well, for instance, rapid scene of reference,
14:23 entertainment television ...
14:24 JB: Oh, okay.
14:25 NN: ...
14:26 suppresses the frontal lobe of the brain.
14:28 It can actually set yourself up for an addiction.
14:31 JB: And most people are just feasting on that every day.
14:34 NN: Right.
14:34 Certain types of music.
14:37 The syncopated, boom-cha, rock-and-roll music can
14:41 actually suppress the frontal lobe of the brain.
14:44 JB: Something else that masses of population are
14:47 into.
14:48 NN: You know, the interesting thing about this, John, is a
14:50 lot of the things that I mention that detract from
14:53 frontal-lobe function people do to try to get happiness.
15:00 And this is the ironic thing; there are more fun things to
15:03 do than ever before in human history, but yet we have more
15:07 depression than ever before in human history.
15:10 If these fun things actually prevented or cured depression
15:14 we should see the lowest rates of depression on the
15:17 planet.
15:18 These rapid-moving video games can actually suppress
15:20 the frontal lobe of the brain.
15:22 A lot of this screen time, this entertainment screen
15:28 time that America is fascinated with, a lot of it
15:31 does suppress frontal-lobe function.
15:33 And then just when we're not really exercising the
15:39 spiritual part of our brain, when we're not involved in
15:42 worship, when we're not involved in spiritual
15:46 analysis or reading, like the Bible, and analyzing
15:51 scripture with scripture, that's going to be a hit as
15:53 well.
15:56 And it's not that necessarily we have to have the Bible,
16:00 but we need to have some sort of analysis, some sort of
16:02 abstract analysis that can help frontal-lobe function.
16:07 JB: Okay.
16:08 NN: So the second area is exercise, actually, lifestyle
16:13 causes.
16:14 Physical exercise actually helps the brain.
16:19 Under the lifestyle causes, sunlight.
16:21 The light and the blue sky that we're under here at
16:23 Weimar actually helps depression.
16:27 It improves serotonin levels in the brain.
16:28 So when we're indoors, not experiencing outdoor light,
16:32 we're getting a hit with that.
16:34 And then not regularly breathing fresh air.
16:37 Here at Weimar we've got these beautiful pine trees
16:40 exuding negative ions, just breathing that in can help in
16:44 regards to depression.
16:46 The third category is circadian rhythm.
16:49 This has to do with our sleep-wake cycle and our
16:52 regularity.
16:53 The more irregular we are in schedule, the more that is a
16:56 blow to the brain.
16:57 The brain likes a regular regimented schedule and the
17:03 best circadian rhythm as far as optimal performance for
17:06 the brain is early to bed, early to rise.
17:09 You make more melatonin and it's one of the reasons why
17:13 almost across the board successful business people
17:17 tend to be early-to-bed, early-to-rise people.
17:20 Highly successful.
17:21 The only exception to that is the entertainment industry
17:24 and those individuals, of course, have much higher
17:27 rates of depression, but they're late-nighters just
17:30 because of their occupation.
17:31 The fourth category after circadian rhythm is
17:37 nutrition.
17:38 What we are putting into our body actually gets turned
17:41 into neurotransmitters.
17:43 And so there's a lot to nutrition and the brain and a
17:47 lot to the typical American diet.
17:50 It's short in omega-3, not high in tryptophan and
17:54 carbohydrates to the degree to make enough dopamine and
17:57 norepinephrine and serotonin.
17:58 And so we really do a good nutritional analysis on our
18:02 patients and change that factor.
18:04 Fifth has to do with addiction hits.
18:08 If you're addicted to any substance or non-substance,
18:11 be it gambling, pornography, alcohol, any addiction can
18:16 actually be a setup for depression.
18:20 Not in and of itself causing it, but if you have three
18:24 other causes and that, it's going to tide you over into
18:27 rather severe depression.
18:29 JB: Let's touch on these remaining two or three or
18:31 four just quickly.
18:32 NN: In regards to our social situation, it can have a role
18:36 to play.
18:37 In regards to medical conditions, like thyroid,
18:41 that can have a role to play.
18:43 In regards to genetics, that can also have a role to play.
18:48 And then there is other factors that we lump under
18:53 toxins that can have a role to play.
18:56 JB: Sure.
18:57 Depression is a major issue affecting masses of people in
19:00 the United States and other countries around the world.
19:03 Who are getting depressed?
19:06 Who are the people suffering from depression today?
19:09 Is it the people you would expect or could it be that
19:12 nice lady living next door?
19:14 And what does the Bible say about depression and does it
19:18 shine a light on the lives of depressed individuals?
19:20 Were there people in the Bible who were depressed?
19:22 We'll have that information for you in just a moment.
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19:46 JB: Dr. Nedley, who fits the profile of the typical
19:51 depression sufferer?
19:53 NN: Well, you know, that profile is so broad.
19:56 It really is.
19:58 Very likely your next door neighbor.
20:00 It's probably someone you're working with.
20:02 In fact, chances are, not just chances, it's actually
20:07 basically a 100% chance that you know someone that has
20:10 depression.
20:11 Any viewer knows someone that has depression or they have
20:14 depression themselves.
20:15 That's how common it is.
20:16 JB: Speaking stereotypically, I admit I'm doing this, you
20:20 know, I'm thinking depression, a kid with black
20:22 clothing and long stringy hair who mopes around sitting
20:25 in a corner and whatever, but it could just as well be the
20:29 lady next door in the business suit who's taking
20:31 the bus to work.
20:32 NN: Exactly.
20:33 Yeah, both of them could have depression.
20:35 I mean, antidepressants are the number one selling
20:37 category of drugs today and they're flying off shelves in
20:42 pharmacies.
20:43 Anyone who works at a pharmacy sees all sorts of
20:46 people, even professional people, people with suits and
20:50 ties that appear to have some level of success taking these
20:54 in order to feel like they can function.
20:57 JB: Depression even goes so far as to wreak havoc with a
21:00 person's relationship with God, doesn't it?
21:02 NN: Oh, absolutely.
21:03 Yeah, I mean, because of what it does to the frontal lobe,
21:06 the area of spirituality and morality and the will, it's a
21:08 major threat to the spiritual part.
21:11 Now that's not saying that you can't run into depression
21:13 if you're a spiritual person.
21:18 We know from Elijah, Elijah was a very spiritual person
21:23 and very connected with God and believed his Word, but
21:26 slipped into very severe depression for good reasons.
21:30 JB: That's interesting, isn't it.
21:32 Fervent, committed, faithful believers in Jesus can suffer
21:35 serious depression.
21:37 NN: Yes, they can.
21:38 JB: And can we say through no fault of their own?
21:41 What I mean is they're not bad people, they didn't give
21:43 up on God, they just fell into some of these situations
21:46 that lead to depression.
21:47 NN: Yeah.
21:48 And they did it ignorantly, you know.
21:51 In Elijah's situation, he didn't realize what he was
21:53 doing to lead himself into it.
21:57 JB: We've got other people in the Bible, too, suffering
21:58 from depression?
21:59 NN: Yeah.
22:00 Saul suffered from depression and Saul had definite
22:02 reasons.
22:03 Unfortunately he went through a therapeutic program but he
22:06 never took care of the underlying distorted
22:09 thoughts.
22:10 That's another characteristic of virtually every depressed
22:12 individual.
22:12 They have thoughts on the surface that appear valid,
22:15 but when we actually delve into them, they are
22:20 irrational, just plain wrong, and twisted thinking is a
22:23 major cause of suffering.
22:25 And that was true with Saul, it was true with Elijah, he
22:28 had twisted thinking.
22:29 It was true with Solomon.
22:30 JB: Tell me about Solomon.
22:32 NN: Well, Solomon tried to do everything that would
22:35 experience pleasure and make him happy.
22:38 So he tried alcohol, he tried opium, he tried pornography,
22:42 had live pornography.
22:44 In fact, he said, anything that anyone else was doing
22:47 where it looked like they were having fun he wanted to
22:49 do it.
22:50 And he said, therefore he hated life and it brought him
22:52 to despair.
22:53 And so he got into the culture of today.
22:57 One of the reasons why we have so much depression and
22:59 that's why he wrote the book Ecclesiastes was to warn
23:01 young people to not go where he went, because it's going
23:05 to lead to problems.
23:06 JB: Strange isn't it?
23:07 You mentioned this before.
23:08 So much in the world that offers us fun and a thrill
23:11 and a good time and distractions, and yet we're
23:14 more depressed than we've ever been.
23:16 What?
23:17 Is it true?
23:17 Are we more depressed than we've ever been?
23:19 NN: Absolutely.
23:20 More depressed than we've ever been.
23:21 JB: God has a way out, yes?
23:22 NN: Absolutely.
23:24 JB: Okay.
23:24 Tell me a little bit about what the Bible says God's
23:28 willing to do in a person's life to bring him back to
23:30 where he wants him to be?
23:31 NN: Well, he is willing to change disappointment into
23:34 appointment.
23:36 And there are steps to get there.
23:38 JB: Okay, now ...
23:38 sorry, I'm jumping in here.
23:40 In your Depression Recovery Seminar you use that very
23:42 phrase.
23:44 NN: Absolutely.
23:45 JB: Tell me about that.
23:45 NN: From disappointment to appointment.
23:47 And we actually study, in order to get the frontal lobe
23:49 going, we study the book of Daniel.
23:51 Daniel's revered by the Jews, revered by the Muslims,
23:55 revered by Christians.
23:57 Even secular individuals.
23:58 Isaac Newton was very interested in Daniel, and
24:02 every story, every chapter in Daniel starts out with a
24:06 disappointment, ends with an appointment.
24:07 And there's a spiritual key that transforms it from one
24:11 to the other.
24:12 And that's part of the therapeutic program that we
24:14 put people on.
24:15 JB: How important do you think the Bible itself plays,
24:18 how important a role does it play bringing people out of
24:23 depression into the place God wants them to be?
24:25 NN: Well I think it plays a very important role, because
24:28 of that spiritual nature that we have in the frontal lobe
24:31 of the brain.
24:33 And so it plays a crucial role.
24:35 Yes, you can get rid of depression without it, but
24:38 you can also get rid of depression far faster and
24:41 also far more comprehensively when we have that spiritual
24:44 part intact, because that also gives us the ability,
24:48 the power to be able to do things that we don't want to
24:53 do now.
24:54 We may not want to go out and exercise.
24:57 We may not want to eat foods that are high in omega-3.
24:59 We may not want to get the light therapy.
25:01 Depressed people tend to not be very motivated people.
25:04 But when that spiritual part is there, the motivation can
25:06 come and they can start making significant changes in
25:11 their life for the better.
25:13 JB: Now, we talked about some of the things that cause
25:15 depression and we talked about some of those danger
25:19 areas that you identified several of them.
25:23 What should a person do who feels that he or she might be
25:25 dealing with depression?
25:27 NN: Well I would recommend that they maybe go to our
25:29 website, take the test.
25:31 We have a little test online that can tell them if they
25:33 have depression, anxiety, and it can also tell them which
25:37 one of those 10 categories of hits or multiple hits are
25:40 active in them, and then get the resources and get on the
25:44 program that will reverse it.
25:46 JB: www.drnedley.com Dr.
25:48 Nedley, thanks for joining me today.
25:49 NN: Oh, it's been great.
25:51 JB: Friends, thank you for joining me, too.
25:53 Depression is a serious, serious issue and it's so
25:55 serious that it can even get in between a person and God.
25:58 I don't want that going on in your life and if you know
26:00 somebody else who is at risk for that, then now you've got
26:03 tools to help that person get to the place that God wants
26:06 them to be, depression free and healthy and thriving in
26:10 the Lord.
26:11 Dr. Nedley, let's pray together and pray for the
26:13 many people, not only suffering depression, but who
26:16 are able to go and be agents of change in the life of
26:19 other people.
26:20 Let's pray.
26:21 Our Father in heaven, I thank you that in your presence
26:25 there is fullness of joy.
26:27 But owing to a variety of factors there are many people
26:29 who are not there and depression is holding them
26:33 down.
26:34 Dear Lord, I pray that you would break those bonds
26:37 and set people free.
26:39 Free to find joy and hope and wholeness in Jesus.
26:44 We pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
26:47 NN: Amen.
26:50 JB: In the past two programs I have been speaking
26:52 with Dr. Neil Nedley on the subject of depression.
26:55 Our free offer for you this week is a free DVD produced by
26:59 Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression.
27:03 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression
27:05 I encourage you to call us today and order this free DVD.
27:10 Now please note that this offer is limited to the supply
27:13 on hand.
27:14 Our toll-free number is 1-800-253-3000.
27:19 Ask for the "free depression DVD".
27:22 You could also request today's offer by writing to
27:24 It is Written, Box O, Thousand Oaks, California,
27:28 91359.
27:29 Thanks for your letters and for your continued support.
27:33 David wrote that in God's presence there is fullness
27:39 of joy and there is no question God wants you and me
27:43 to experience his joy today.
27:46 Thanks for joining me today.
27:47 Please do join me next time for part 2 of my discussion
27:51 with Dr. Nedley on this important subject
27:54 of depression.
27:55 Until then, please remember, "Man shall not live by bread
28:02 alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth
28:05 of God."
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