Participants: John Bradshaw
Series Code: IIW
Program Code: IIW001316
00:01 The Bible says that people should
00:03 rejoice evermore. 00:06 So what if you're somebody who suffers from depression, 00:09 as do one in ten American adults? 00:12 Depression can seriously impact a person's Christian 00:15 experience, and depression has been implicated in the 00:18 deaths of very many people. 00:20 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with Dr. 00:23 Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions. 00:27 Today, part one of a two-part series on depression, its 00:30 causes and its cures. 00:33 Thanks for joining me today. 00:42 It has stood the test of time. 00:46 God's book. 00:48 The Bible. 00:51 Still relevant in today's complex world. 00:56 It is written sharing hope around the globe. 01:11 Dr. Nedley, thank you very much for joining me today. 01:13 I'm just so thankful you've been able to make this time. 01:16 NN: Thanks for inviting me, John. 01:18 I'm glad to be here. 01:19 JB: Depression. 01:20 Let's start right at the beginning. 01:23 What is it? 01:24 NN: It is an epidemic in our society today. 01:27 It's dramatically increasing and it causes a lot of deep 01:31 sadness. 01:32 That's what most people equate with depression, 01:35 feelings of deep sadness. 01:37 But, you know, that's not the only symptom that you get. 01:40 You can actually not have that symptom, you can just 01:43 have a feeling of emptiness and have depression. 01:46 JB: Now when you talk about depression, you know, people, 01:48 PEOPLE have a bad day and they're not depressed. 01:51 People can be sad and not be depressed, they can just be 01:53 sad. 01:55 So there's a difference between being in a funk and 01:57 experiencing what is technically known as 01:59 depression. 02:00 NN: Yes. 02:01 JB: So how do we really describe this technical 02:03 depression? 02:04 If someone's depressed, they're going to exhibit 02:06 what? 02:07 NN: They're going to exhibit five, at least five of nine 02:10 symptoms for the majority of the time for the last two 02:13 weeks or more. 02:16 JB: Okay, so there are nine symptoms that qualify in this 02:19 basket known as depression. 02:21 NN: Correct. 02:22 JB: If you've got five of them, you're depressed. 02:25 NN: You have depression, yeah, as long as you have 02:26 those five the majority of the time. 02:28 So if you're sad for just one day out of 14, it doesn't 02:30 count. 02:30 But if you're sad the majority of the last 14 days, 02:35 then that would be symptom number one right there. 02:37 JB: Okay. 02:38 We're going to talk about those symptoms in just 02:39 a moment. 02:40 But first let's point out a couple of things. 02:42 One in 10 Americans suffer depression, correct? 02:45 NN: Correct. 02:45 Yes, right now as we're speaking. 02:47 JB: Okay. 02:48 And how does that break down by gender? 02:50 NN: Well, one of four women will suffer from it at some 02:51 point in their life. 02:53 One out of eight men. 02:55 So it's twice as common in women as it is in men. 02:58 And it's actually increasing. 02:59 Those are kind of old statistics. 03:01 It may be, this newer generation, it looks like 03:03 it's going to be a one out of two lifetime risk for girls 03:06 that are growing up today, suffering from major 03:10 depression. 03:11 JB: One out of two? 03:12 NN: One out of two is what it's looking like. 03:14 JB: That is an epidemic. 03:16 NN: It is an epidemic, yeah. 03:17 It's dramatically increasing. 03:18 Each successive generation when we look at it from 03:22 a epidemiological standpoint, each successive generation 03:25 has had significantly more depression than the previous 03:28 generation. 03:29 JB: And my understanding is that, I don't want to 03:32 overstate this, but I'll tell you what I think and you can 03:34 correct me if you need to. 03:36 The majority of people who suffer depression aren't 03:39 aware that what they have is depression. 03:41 NN: That's true. 03:42 Actually, it's been well documented that about half of 03:46 people with major depression in the United States alone 03:50 are not diagnosed with it. 03:53 In other words, they haven't sought help, they haven't 03:56 gone to a caregiver to find out why they're having the 03:58 symptoms that they're having, and they just think it's a 04:01 normal part of their existence for where they're 04:04 at in life. 04:05 But depression is not normal. 04:06 It shouldn't be considered a normal part of existence. 04:10 JB: So there will be a lot of people watching us today who 04:14 might be completely unaware that they suffer from 04:18 depression. 04:19 NN: Yeah, they might learn something as a result of this 04:21 and might realize that they're actually suffering 04:23 from it. 04:24 JB: Okay. 04:25 Today we're talking about depression and its causes, 04:27 and a moment ago we talked about these nine points, if 04:30 you have five of them for the majority of the time over two 04:32 weeks, you're depressed. 04:34 NN: Yes. 04:35 JB: What are those? 04:36 Do you have time to talk about what those five points 04:38 are? 04:39 NN: Sure. 04:39 Yes. 04:40 The first one would be either a deep sadness or emptiness. 04:42 Men tend to feel the emptiness, women more of the 04:45 sadness, although the men can get sad too. 04:48 Women will tend to have crying spells where something 04:54 they preferred not happen, happened and they start to 04:57 cry and they say, well, that wasn't that bad, why am I 04:59 crying? 05:01 And so they'll tend to seek help a little more than men. 05:03 Men just tend to feel empty and think that that's normal. 05:06 But either one qualifies as symptom number one. 05:08 The second is apathy. 05:10 This is where you wake up in the morning and you're not 05:12 really interested in the day's activities. 05:16 You get up out of a sense of responsibility but you're not 05:19 really interested in the day. 05:21 And that is not a normal symptom to have the majority 05:24 of the time, and so apathy is distinctly abnormal. 05:28 The third one is agitation. 05:32 This is where you're more irritable than you used to be 05:35 or you would also qualify for symptom number three if 05:41 you've had a slowing of your muscle movement. 05:43 You've just kind of slowed down. 05:45 A lot of people don't recognize this until they see 05:46 themselves on a video that they've slowed down, but the 05:50 irritability and the slowness, that's the one the 05:52 individual may not recognize themselves, and they'll have 05:54 to ask their spouse, am I more irritable than I used to 05:56 be? 05:58 The spouse will definitely tell you, or your friends 06:00 might tell you that as well. 06:01 The fourth is a lack of concentration. 06:06 This is where you don't really have the ability to 06:11 sort things through to make complex decisions and you 06:15 recognize that you're just not able to do that mental 06:19 task like you used to. 06:22 Another symptom is sleep disturbances. 06:24 The most common sleep disturbance in someone with 06:26 depression is early-morning awakening. 06:29 This is where they go to bed, they can sleep okay, but then 06:33 they wake up too early and can't get back to sleep. 06:36 But you would also qualify for this symptom if you had 06:39 insomnia. 06:40 In other words, you're not able to go to sleep well. 06:42 Or if you have hypersomnia. 06:44 Many people with depression suffer from just being sleepy 06:47 all the time. 06:49 We have people who come to our program who have been 06:52 sleeping 20 hours a day for weeks. 06:55 Severe depression. 06:57 And so that's another symptom. 06:59 Another symptom is weight or appetite changes. 07:01 The most common is weight gain. 07:03 People tend to self-medicate themselves with chocolate 07:06 and soda pop and food, and as a result of this 07:10 self-medicating they tend to gain weight, but rather 07:13 severe sudden onset depression often has anorexia 07:17 or weight loss. 07:19 JB: So it can go either way. 07:20 NN: It can go either way, yeah. 07:21 Another symptom is fatigue. 07:24 Now fatigue is different than apathy. 07:27 Apathy means that you don't have the interest in the 07:29 day's activities, fatigue means you just are tired 07:32 and you don't know why you're tired. 07:34 You run out of energy and you'd like to have more. 07:37 And that's a very prominent symptom in the people that 07:40 see me as a physician in an internal medicine office. 07:44 And then the more severe symptoms tend to be 07:47 associated with morbid thoughts. 07:49 This is where the individual has a preoccupation with 07:54 death or symbols of death. 07:57 And so it's not just thinking about taking your own life, 07:59 although that would definitely qualify. 08:01 It might be fantasizing about someone else being dead. 08:05 Or just preoccupation with death in general. 08:07 And we are seeing that a lot more commonly today with 08:10 people tattooing skeletons and symbols of death. 08:14 There's even a new bathing suit line that my wife showed 08:16 me in a fashion magazine that just came out where the 08:19 ladies' bathing suits are all skeletons, and people are 08:24 resonating with this. 08:25 If you resonate with that, it's a sign that it's a 08:27 morbid thought. 08:28 Not really normal, and if you have the other symptoms that 08:32 go along with it, it could be a clear sign that you're 08:35 experiencing depression. 08:37 And companies are capitalizing on people's 08:40 morbid thoughts by changing their fashion statements to 08:45 resonate with them. 08:46 JB: Right. 08:47 And if a person has five of those pretty consistently 08:49 over a two-week period, that person really might well 08:52 could be clinically depressed. 08:55 NN: Exactly. 08:56 JB: But there is a way out. 08:57 NN: There is. 08:58 JB: Thank God for that. 08:59 NN: Yes. 09:00 JB: And we're going to talk a little bit more about the 09:02 causes of depression, what causes this stuff to actually 09:05 take place in just a couple of moments. 09:09 Depression, serious business. 09:11 The Bible says that we ought to be full of joy as 09:14 believers in Jesus. 09:15 That's not always the case for everybody. 09:18 Don't go away, we'll be back in a moment with more. 09:22 In Matthew 4:4 the Word of God says "It is written 'Man 09:26 shall not live by bread alone but by every word that 09:30 proceeds out of the mouth of God'." 09:31 Every Word is a one minute Bible-based daily devotional 09:35 presented by Pastor John Bradshaw and designed 09:38 especially for busy people like you. 09:40 Look for Every Word on selected networks or watch it 09:43 on-line everyday on our website itiswritten.com. 09:47 Receive a daily spiritual boost. 09:49 Watch Every Word. 09:51 You'll be glad you did. 09:55 JB: Thanks for joining me today. 09:56 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with Dr. 09:59 Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions and 10:02 the founder of the Nedley Clinic. 10:06 Dr. Nedley, you are, in fact, an internal medicine 10:09 physician. 10:10 NN: Correct. 10:11 JB: But you've become very interested in and very 10:13 effective at treating depression. 10:16 NN: Yes. 10:17 JB: So how did you get from A to B? 10:19 How did that happen? 10:20 NN: Well, it's kind of interesting. 10:21 When I was a faculty member at Kettering Medical Center, 10:25 Wright State University, I used to teach residents. 10:28 And I used to teach my residents in internal 10:30 medicine that they needed to learn the common diseases 10:33 well. 10:35 I wanted them to learn pneumonia as good as a 10:37 pulmonologist. 10:38 I wanted them to learn congestive heart failure as 10:40 good as a cardiologist, or gastroesophageal reflux 10:43 disease as good as a gastroenterologist. 10:46 Why? 10:46 Because they were going to be seeing these diseases almost 10:49 every day of their life and they really needed to know 10:53 as much as the expert does in the common diseases. 10:57 After I finished my teaching career I set up a practice, 11:01 the Nedley Clinic, you just mentioned it, in Ardmore, 11:04 Oklahoma, and there was an article that crossed my desk 11:07 from the Archives of Internal Medicine showing that up to 11:11 one in three people that an internist sees is suffering 11:15 from major depression. 11:17 And I thought, well, that's not true in my patient 11:19 population in Oklahoma. 11:20 But I thought, you know, I can't just assume that, we'll 11:22 test them. 11:24 So I had them go through the little screening test, 11:27 the nine-point screening test that we discussed earlier, 11:30 when they came in and I found out that it wasn't quite that 11:33 high, it was about one in four, but then it struck me, 11:36 common disease. 11:37 Do I know this as good as a psychiatrist? 11:40 And I had to admit that I didn't and so I started to 11:43 learn at the feet of preeminent psychiatrists, 11:47 and then I recognized my need of more study because there 11:51 hadn't been enough research done on the actual underlying 11:53 causes. 11:56 And as an internist, when I see swollen feet, I don't 12:00 diagnose swollen-foot syndrome and send them out 12:03 the door with a diuretic, I try to find the cause of the 12:06 swollen feet, of which there can be about 100 different 12:08 causes. 12:10 And so I thought let's try to find out what are the real 12:13 causes of depression, and I did some extra research and 12:16 that's how I started to get very involved in this and 12:20 then started treating my own patients with results that 12:23 were far better than what I had ever anticipated. 12:26 JB: I've seen the results of what you've done. 12:29 Your depression recovery seminars have been held from 12:32 sea to shining sea in many, many places. 12:34 I recall seeing the results of depression recovery 12:37 seminars, no names were shown, I must point that out, 12:40 and my friend said, this red line is how depressed people 12:43 were, this green line is how undepressed they were, or how 12:46 they were at the end. 12:47 And I said to my friend, who had conducted this Neil 12:50 Nedley Depression Recovery Seminar, are you fudging the 12:53 results.. 12:54 NN: (LAUGHTER) JB:... 12:55 because they were so dramatic. 12:57 Depression is something a person can come back from. 13:00 NN: Absolutely, absolutely. 13:02 JB: Okay, well, what causes it? 13:04 What are these underlying causes? 13:05 NN: Well, there are 10 categories of causes that we 13:08 uncovered in our research. 13:11 And there's actually over 100 separate identifiable causes 13:14 for depression, but they can be categorized in 10 13:18 different ways. 13:19 And you have to have four of those categories of causes 13:22 before you end up with depression or anxiety 13:25 disorder. 13:27 But one of them is frontal lobe causes. 13:29 That's the one that we deal with first. 13:32 The frontal lobe of the brain is the front portion of the 13:35 brain. 13:36 It's the analytical portion of the brain. 13:39 Scientific studies show it's the seat of spirituality, 13:42 morality and the will. 13:44 It's the reason why we are spiritual beings and human 13:48 beings worship because our frontal lobe size is so much 13:51 greater than cats and dogs that you don't see in worship 13:55 services, because they can't identify with it. 13:58 But the frontal lobe circulation when it goes 14:01 down, it is a major setup for depression or anxiety 14:06 disorders and there's a lot of different things that can 14:09 fit under the categories of what can suppress or enhance 14:11 frontal-lobe function. 14:13 JB: I've got to jump in with "such as" ... 14:15 give me three, four or five pretty quickly. 14:17 Things that suppress frontal-lobe functions. 14:19 NN: Well, for instance, rapid scene of reference, 14:23 entertainment television ... 14:24 JB: Oh, okay. 14:25 NN: ... 14:26 suppresses the frontal lobe of the brain. 14:28 It can actually set yourself up for an addiction. 14:31 JB: And most people are just feasting on that every day. 14:34 NN: Right. 14:34 Certain types of music. 14:37 The syncopated, boom-cha, rock-and-roll music can 14:41 actually suppress the frontal lobe of the brain. 14:44 JB: Something else that masses of population are 14:47 into. 14:48 NN: You know, the interesting thing about this, John, is a 14:50 lot of the things that I mention that detract from 14:53 frontal-lobe function people do to try to get happiness. 15:00 And this is the ironic thing; there are more fun things to 15:03 do than ever before in human history, but yet we have more 15:07 depression than ever before in human history. 15:10 If these fun things actually prevented or cured depression 15:14 we should see the lowest rates of depression on the 15:17 planet. 15:18 These rapid-moving video games can actually suppress 15:20 the frontal lobe of the brain. 15:22 A lot of this screen time, this entertainment screen 15:28 time that America is fascinated with, a lot of it 15:31 does suppress frontal-lobe function. 15:33 And then just when we're not really exercising the 15:39 spiritual part of our brain, when we're not involved in 15:42 worship, when we're not involved in spiritual 15:46 analysis or reading, like the Bible, and analyzing 15:51 scripture with scripture, that's going to be a hit as 15:53 well. 15:56 And it's not that necessarily we have to have the Bible, 16:00 but we need to have some sort of analysis, some sort of 16:02 abstract analysis that can help frontal-lobe function. 16:07 JB: Okay. 16:08 NN: So the second area is exercise, actually, lifestyle 16:13 causes. 16:14 Physical exercise actually helps the brain. 16:19 Under the lifestyle causes, sunlight. 16:21 The light and the blue sky that we're under here at 16:23 Weimar actually helps depression. 16:27 It improves serotonin levels in the brain. 16:28 So when we're indoors, not experiencing outdoor light, 16:32 we're getting a hit with that. 16:34 And then not regularly breathing fresh air. 16:37 Here at Weimar we've got these beautiful pine trees 16:40 exuding negative ions, just breathing that in can help in 16:44 regards to depression. 16:46 The third category is circadian rhythm. 16:49 This has to do with our sleep-wake cycle and our 16:52 regularity. 16:53 The more irregular we are in schedule, the more that is a 16:56 blow to the brain. 16:57 The brain likes a regular regimented schedule and the 17:03 best circadian rhythm as far as optimal performance for 17:06 the brain is early to bed, early to rise. 17:09 You make more melatonin and it's one of the reasons why 17:13 almost across the board successful business people 17:17 tend to be early-to-bed, early-to-rise people. 17:20 Highly successful. 17:21 The only exception to that is the entertainment industry 17:24 and those individuals, of course, have much higher 17:27 rates of depression, but they're late-nighters just 17:30 because of their occupation. 17:31 The fourth category after circadian rhythm is 17:37 nutrition. 17:38 What we are putting into our body actually gets turned 17:41 into neurotransmitters. 17:43 And so there's a lot to nutrition and the brain and a 17:47 lot to the typical American diet. 17:50 It's short in omega-3, not high in tryptophan and 17:54 carbohydrates to the degree to make enough dopamine and 17:57 norepinephrine and serotonin. 17:58 And so we really do a good nutritional analysis on our 18:02 patients and change that factor. 18:04 Fifth has to do with addiction hits. 18:08 If you're addicted to any substance or non-substance, 18:11 be it gambling, pornography, alcohol, any addiction can 18:16 actually be a setup for depression. 18:20 Not in and of itself causing it, but if you have three 18:24 other causes and that, it's going to tide you over into 18:27 rather severe depression. 18:29 JB: Let's touch on these remaining two or three or 18:31 four just quickly. 18:32 NN: In regards to our social situation, it can have a role 18:36 to play. 18:37 In regards to medical conditions, like thyroid, 18:41 that can have a role to play. 18:43 In regards to genetics, that can also have a role to play. 18:48 And then there is other factors that we lump under 18:53 toxins that can have a role to play. 18:56 JB: Sure. 18:57 Depression is a major issue affecting masses of people in 19:00 the United States and other countries around the world. 19:03 Who are getting depressed? 19:06 Who are the people suffering from depression today? 19:09 Is it the people you would expect or could it be that 19:12 nice lady living next door? 19:14 And what does the Bible say about depression and does it 19:18 shine a light on the lives of depressed individuals? 19:20 Were there people in the Bible who were depressed? 19:22 We'll have that information for you in just a moment. 19:26 It Is Written is dedicated to sharing the gospel around the 19:29 world. 19:30 To discover more about It is Written, I invite you to 19:32 visit our website: itiswritten.com and browse 19:36 the dozens of pages that describe what we do and how 19:38 we do it. 19:40 Let's get to know each other better. 19:41 Visit our website: itiswritten.com today. 19:46 JB: Dr. Nedley, who fits the profile of the typical 19:51 depression sufferer? 19:53 NN: Well, you know, that profile is so broad. 19:56 It really is. 19:58 Very likely your next door neighbor. 20:00 It's probably someone you're working with. 20:02 In fact, chances are, not just chances, it's actually 20:07 basically a 100% chance that you know someone that has 20:10 depression. 20:11 Any viewer knows someone that has depression or they have 20:14 depression themselves. 20:15 That's how common it is. 20:16 JB: Speaking stereotypically, I admit I'm doing this, you 20:20 know, I'm thinking depression, a kid with black 20:22 clothing and long stringy hair who mopes around sitting 20:25 in a corner and whatever, but it could just as well be the 20:29 lady next door in the business suit who's taking 20:31 the bus to work. 20:32 NN: Exactly. 20:33 Yeah, both of them could have depression. 20:35 I mean, antidepressants are the number one selling 20:37 category of drugs today and they're flying off shelves in 20:42 pharmacies. 20:43 Anyone who works at a pharmacy sees all sorts of 20:46 people, even professional people, people with suits and 20:50 ties that appear to have some level of success taking these 20:54 in order to feel like they can function. 20:57 JB: Depression even goes so far as to wreak havoc with a 21:00 person's relationship with God, doesn't it? 21:02 NN: Oh, absolutely. 21:03 Yeah, I mean, because of what it does to the frontal lobe, 21:06 the area of spirituality and morality and the will, it's a 21:08 major threat to the spiritual part. 21:11 Now that's not saying that you can't run into depression 21:13 if you're a spiritual person. 21:18 We know from Elijah, Elijah was a very spiritual person 21:23 and very connected with God and believed his Word, but 21:26 slipped into very severe depression for good reasons. 21:30 JB: That's interesting, isn't it. 21:32 Fervent, committed, faithful believers in Jesus can suffer 21:35 serious depression. 21:37 NN: Yes, they can. 21:38 JB: And can we say through no fault of their own? 21:41 What I mean is they're not bad people, they didn't give 21:43 up on God, they just fell into some of these situations 21:46 that lead to depression. 21:47 NN: Yeah. 21:48 And they did it ignorantly, you know. 21:51 In Elijah's situation, he didn't realize what he was 21:53 doing to lead himself into it. 21:57 JB: We've got other people in the Bible, too, suffering 21:58 from depression? 21:59 NN: Yeah. 22:00 Saul suffered from depression and Saul had definite 22:02 reasons. 22:03 Unfortunately he went through a therapeutic program but he 22:06 never took care of the underlying distorted 22:09 thoughts. 22:10 That's another characteristic of virtually every depressed 22:12 individual. 22:12 They have thoughts on the surface that appear valid, 22:15 but when we actually delve into them, they are 22:20 irrational, just plain wrong, and twisted thinking is a 22:23 major cause of suffering. 22:25 And that was true with Saul, it was true with Elijah, he 22:28 had twisted thinking. 22:29 It was true with Solomon. 22:30 JB: Tell me about Solomon. 22:32 NN: Well, Solomon tried to do everything that would 22:35 experience pleasure and make him happy. 22:38 So he tried alcohol, he tried opium, he tried pornography, 22:42 had live pornography. 22:44 In fact, he said, anything that anyone else was doing 22:47 where it looked like they were having fun he wanted to 22:49 do it. 22:50 And he said, therefore he hated life and it brought him 22:52 to despair. 22:53 And so he got into the culture of today. 22:57 One of the reasons why we have so much depression and 22:59 that's why he wrote the book Ecclesiastes was to warn 23:01 young people to not go where he went, because it's going 23:05 to lead to problems. 23:06 JB: Strange isn't it? 23:07 You mentioned this before. 23:08 So much in the world that offers us fun and a thrill 23:11 and a good time and distractions, and yet we're 23:14 more depressed than we've ever been. 23:16 What? 23:17 Is it true? 23:17 Are we more depressed than we've ever been? 23:19 NN: Absolutely. 23:20 More depressed than we've ever been. 23:21 JB: God has a way out, yes? 23:22 NN: Absolutely. 23:24 JB: Okay. 23:24 Tell me a little bit about what the Bible says God's 23:28 willing to do in a person's life to bring him back to 23:30 where he wants him to be? 23:31 NN: Well, he is willing to change disappointment into 23:34 appointment. 23:36 And there are steps to get there. 23:38 JB: Okay, now ... 23:38 sorry, I'm jumping in here. 23:40 In your Depression Recovery Seminar you use that very 23:42 phrase. 23:44 NN: Absolutely. 23:45 JB: Tell me about that. 23:45 NN: From disappointment to appointment. 23:47 And we actually study, in order to get the frontal lobe 23:49 going, we study the book of Daniel. 23:51 Daniel's revered by the Jews, revered by the Muslims, 23:55 revered by Christians. 23:57 Even secular individuals. 23:58 Isaac Newton was very interested in Daniel, and 24:02 every story, every chapter in Daniel starts out with a 24:06 disappointment, ends with an appointment. 24:07 And there's a spiritual key that transforms it from one 24:11 to the other. 24:12 And that's part of the therapeutic program that we 24:14 put people on. 24:15 JB: How important do you think the Bible itself plays, 24:18 how important a role does it play bringing people out of 24:23 depression into the place God wants them to be? 24:25 NN: Well I think it plays a very important role, because 24:28 of that spiritual nature that we have in the frontal lobe 24:31 of the brain. 24:33 And so it plays a crucial role. 24:35 Yes, you can get rid of depression without it, but 24:38 you can also get rid of depression far faster and 24:41 also far more comprehensively when we have that spiritual 24:44 part intact, because that also gives us the ability, 24:48 the power to be able to do things that we don't want to 24:53 do now. 24:54 We may not want to go out and exercise. 24:57 We may not want to eat foods that are high in omega-3. 24:59 We may not want to get the light therapy. 25:01 Depressed people tend to not be very motivated people. 25:04 But when that spiritual part is there, the motivation can 25:06 come and they can start making significant changes in 25:11 their life for the better. 25:13 JB: Now, we talked about some of the things that cause 25:15 depression and we talked about some of those danger 25:19 areas that you identified several of them. 25:23 What should a person do who feels that he or she might be 25:25 dealing with depression? 25:27 NN: Well I would recommend that they maybe go to our 25:29 website, take the test. 25:31 We have a little test online that can tell them if they 25:33 have depression, anxiety, and it can also tell them which 25:37 one of those 10 categories of hits or multiple hits are 25:40 active in them, and then get the resources and get on the 25:44 program that will reverse it. 25:46 JB: www.drnedley.com Dr. 25:48 Nedley, thanks for joining me today. 25:49 NN: Oh, it's been great. 25:51 JB: Friends, thank you for joining me, too. 25:53 Depression is a serious, serious issue and it's so 25:55 serious that it can even get in between a person and God. 25:58 I don't want that going on in your life and if you know 26:00 somebody else who is at risk for that, then now you've got 26:03 tools to help that person get to the place that God wants 26:06 them to be, depression free and healthy and thriving in 26:10 the Lord. 26:11 Dr. Nedley, let's pray together and pray for the 26:13 many people, not only suffering depression, but who 26:16 are able to go and be agents of change in the life of 26:19 other people. 26:20 Let's pray. 26:21 Our Father in heaven, I thank you that in your presence 26:25 there is fullness of joy. 26:27 But owing to a variety of factors there are many people 26:29 who are not there and depression is holding them 26:33 down. 26:34 Dear Lord, I pray that you would break those bonds 26:37 and set people free. 26:39 Free to find joy and hope and wholeness in Jesus. 26:44 We pray in Jesus' name, Amen. 26:47 NN: Amen. 26:50 JB: In the past two programs I have been speaking 26:52 with Dr. Neil Nedley on the subject of depression. 26:55 Our free offer for you this week is a free DVD produced by 26:59 Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression. 27:03 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression 27:05 I encourage you to call us today and order this free DVD. 27:10 Now please note that this offer is limited to the supply 27:13 on hand. 27:14 Our toll-free number is 1-800-253-3000. 27:19 Ask for the "free depression DVD". 27:22 You could also request today's offer by writing to 27:24 It is Written, Box O, Thousand Oaks, California, 27:28 91359. 27:29 Thanks for your letters and for your continued support. 27:33 David wrote that in God's presence there is fullness 27:39 of joy and there is no question God wants you and me 27:43 to experience his joy today. 27:46 Thanks for joining me today. 27:47 Please do join me next time for part 2 of my discussion 27:51 with Dr. Nedley on this important subject 27:54 of depression. 27:55 Until then, please remember, "Man shall not live by bread 28:02 alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth 28:05 of God." 28:06 [Music] |
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