Participants: Kevin Hart, Tom Shepherd
Series Code: MBOTB
Program Code: MBOTB00006B
00:04 Welcome back to Books of the Book, we are in the
00:07 beautiful gospel of Mark and we're taking a look
00:10 at verse 15 of chapter 7.
00:11 Another riddle, professor help us out with this verse.
00:14 Alright let's look at verse 15 read it one more time.
00:16 It says, "there is nothing," these are the words of
00:19 Jesus, "there is nothing outside the man which can
00:22 defile him in if it goes into him, but the things which
00:25 proceed out of the man are what defile the man. "
00:27 I imagine anybody in the professional field of medicine
00:32 would probably argue that point.
00:34 You know if you were to say that to them at face fact.
00:36 It seems like this is an unusual statement where you
00:41 would think that which defiles you would come in,
00:43 but Jesus says it's that which goes out.
00:45 Kevin: So what did He mean?
00:46 It really is a riddle, that you have to
00:49 try to piece together.
00:50 On a previous program, we said that one of the ways you
00:55 could get out of a riddle, or some kind of text that
00:58 was difficult to understand, was to see how the author
01:01 uses the terminology in other places in the same book.
01:06 A lot of people when they read this verse they think
01:10 that Jesus was doing away with the laws of clean and
01:14 unclean meat, in Leviticus chapter 11.
01:17 So we want to keep that in mind as we looked through
01:19 the book of Mark, and we look at some of these different ideas
01:23 There is a few verses later on that we will take a
01:25 look at that will also have bearing on that subject.
01:27 Alright so we are going to look for words like clean, unclean or
01:33 cleanse, holy and the word common.
01:38 That would be something that would mean something
01:41 that wasn't holy, it was something used
01:45 commonly, not for God's use,
01:47 but we want to look at those terms and see
01:49 how Mark uses them.
01:50 We are going to look at several verses, but first
01:52 we are going to look at is Mark 1:23 and we are just
01:55 walking through Mark looking for verses that talk
01:58 about holy and unclean and so forth.
02:01 So Mark 1:23, would you read that for us Kevin?
02:04 Sure, "and there was in their synagogue a man with an
02:07 unclean spirit and he cried out. "
02:09 Alright here we have the first reference to,
02:12 one of the first references at least to unclean
02:14 and what is it linked to?
02:16 Kevin: A spirit, Professor: A spirit.
02:18 There is a Holy Spirit and there are unclean spirits.
02:22 These are demonic spirits, that would take
02:26 possession of people.
02:27 Our next verse is Mark 3:30.
02:30 Kevin: You want me to read that?
02:34 "Because they said he hath an unclean spirit. "
02:38 Professor: Who are they talking about,
02:39 do you have any idea?
02:40 Kevin: Jesus Professor: Yeah, Jesus, and they said
02:43 He has an unclean spirit.
02:45 Did Jesus have an unclean spirit?
02:46 Kevin: Absolutely not! Professor: No!
02:47 He had the Holy Spirit and when they said He had an
02:51 unclean spirit, they were using that against Him so
02:55 people would not listen to Him.
02:56 Kevin: They were trying to blacken His reputation.
02:58 Yes it is pretty dangerous to call the work of the
03:00 Holy Spirit, an unclean spirit.
03:02 We notice that this word unclean is often
03:06 connected with spirits.
03:08 Now we will look at another verse, Mark 5:2.
03:16 I'll read that one, Mark 5:2, "when He got out of the
03:18 boat," this is Jesus, "immediately a man at the tombs,
03:21 with an unclean spirit, met Him. "
03:23 Another person that is controlled by a demon,
03:27 actually this person by a legion of demons,
03:29 a whole bunch of them.
03:30 This is called an unclean spirit once again.
03:34 So far we have seen lots of tie-ins to the
03:38 idea of unclean spirits.
03:39 Let's go back Kevin: so far no reference to food.
03:41 Professor: No reference to food.
03:42 Kevin: Clean or unclean.
03:43 Professor: Not so far.
03:44 Professor: Let's go back to Mark 1:8 and get a little
03:47 idea about holy.
03:49 Kevin: Okay Mark 1:8, "I have indeed baptized you with
03:55 water, but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. "
03:58 Professor: The Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, there we
04:01 have the term holy, holy something pertaining to God.
04:04 Something that is pure and linked up with God, okay?
04:07 Okay so it is the Holy Spirit.
04:09 If we go over to Mark 1:24, these are the words
04:13 interestingly of the man with the unclean spirits,
04:17 the unclean spirit is speaking here.
04:18 Kevin: "Saying, let us alone, what have we to do with
04:23 thee thou Jesus of Nazareth, are thou come to destroy
04:26 us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. "
04:31 Professor: alright, so there is Jesus and
04:34 He is called holy, right?
04:35 Now this just gives us a little taste, actually if you
04:38 wanted to do a complete study of this, you would walk
04:41 through the whole book and look up all the uses okay?
04:43 We have a graphic that displays some of the concepts
04:46 of holy, clean and unclean.
04:49 The graphic goes like this, the term unclean is
04:53 applied to evil spirits that resists Jesus.
04:56 By religious leaders it is applied to Jesus Himself,
05:00 they say He has an unclean spirit.
05:01 The Word cleanse is used when Jesus removes leprosy,
05:06 that is in chapter one, and there is a reference in
05:09 our passage about foods being cleansed.
05:12 Then we have the word holy and it is applied to the
05:17 spirit of God, the Holy Spirit is applied to Jesus.
05:21 He is called the holy one of God.
05:24 John the Baptist is called a holy man.
05:26 And then Angels are also referred to as holy, all these
05:30 things seem to link up with or be tied into God.
05:33 Then we had this interesting word, common that stands
05:38 in contrast to the word holy and it is used to refer
05:42 to unwashed hands, to vices that defile a person
05:47 and those are in chapter 7.
05:51 So interestingly enough the term unclean
05:55 doesn't appear here.
05:57 Kevin: so is Jesus doing away with the food laws,
06:00 I mean I have to ask the question because what
06:02 we have been study and so far seem to
06:03 indicate the implied answer.
06:05 Professor: Now that is where people often take this,
06:08 is to say that Jesus did away with that.
06:10 We better see His explanation because the disciples
06:13 were also confused and wanted to understand.
06:17 So they come to Him in Mark 7 in starting in verse 17,
06:22 "when he had left the crowd," now you a notice we
06:24 talked before about insider and outsider's and now we
06:28 are in verse 17, it says, "when he had left the crowd
06:33 and entered the house and his disciple questioned him
06:35 about the parable. " That is the riddle in verse 15,
06:38 "there is nothing outside of the man which can defile
06:41 him if it goes into him, but the things that perceived
06:43 out of the man are what defile the man. "
06:45 That was Verse 15, alright so they said, they ask Him
06:49 about it, verse 18 and He said to them
06:50 "are you so lacking in understanding also,
06:53 do you not understand whatever goes into
06:58 the man from outside cannot defile him because,"
07:00 Verse 19 the key verse, "it does not go into his
07:04 heart but into his stomach and is eliminated,
07:08 thus He declared all foods clean. "
07:11 Kevin: That is not what the verse says.
07:14 Professor: Oh, let's have you read it, see I am using
07:17 the New American Standard Bible, okay the in NASB.
07:22 You are reading from the King James version,
07:23 would you read that for us in King James?
07:25 Kevin: Sure do you want me start in verse 18?
07:27 Professor: Start in Verse 18.
07:28 Kevin: "Are you so without understanding, "and I chuckle
07:32 again because that is for those circumstances or seems
07:35 like Jesus is being less than a savory approach to His disciples
07:41 He speaks strongly, strongly.
07:42 Kevin: Right, "do ye not perceive that whatsoever thing
07:45 from without that entereth into a man cannot defile him?
07:48 because the interest not into his heart but into the
07:51 belly and goeth out into the drought purging all meats. "
07:55 Professor: Right! so where did these in the translation,
08:00 I have of the New American Standard Bible, gets this
08:02 thus He declared all foods clean?
08:04 It is kind of an interesting passage now, I will say
08:09 an interesting thing about the New American Standard
08:11 Bible and some of the more literal translations like
08:14 this, is that when they add words in to clarify,
08:18 they are trying to clarify a translation and it
08:20 is not inappropriate usually to do with they do.
08:23 They will put it in italics so you have a way of
08:27 noticing when they have added a couple words in.
08:30 if I take out those words out in italics in the NSAB it sounds
08:34 much like the NKJV.
08:36 Let me read it "because it does not go into
08:38 heart but into his stomach and is eliminated
08:41 declaring all foods clean. "
08:42 the question is that very last little section,
08:47 What in the world does that mean?
08:49 Declaring all foods clean.
08:52 It's a little bit tricky, there is a variance in the
08:56 text and the different Greek manuscripts, but I prepared,
08:59 again, a translation that I did to kind of give a
09:02 little translation of verse 18 and 19,
09:04 and then we can unpack this.
09:06 Let us look at the translation in the graphic.
09:08 It goes like this, and he was saying to them,
09:11 "thus also are you without understanding?
09:15 Do you not understand that everything outside going
09:18 into the person is not able to make them common. "
09:21 That is to be defiled, "because it does not go into
09:25 the heart but into the stomach, and goes forth into
09:27 the latrine, cleansing all the foods?"
09:31 Now the question is what does that last phrase
09:34 link up with?
09:36 Is this for instance a comment by the evangelist
09:39 Mark, saying on the side to you, Pssst Jesus
09:43 declared all foods clean.
09:45 Or is this just an ending of the sentence where
09:49 it goes out into a latrine and that cleanses
09:53 all the food out of a person's body and that is
09:57 why it doesn't defile.
09:58 The interesting thing is that Jesus seems to be changing
10:01 or shall I say raising the concept of defilement.
10:06 For the religious leaders, defilement seemed to be
10:10 something on the outside.
10:12 This started off with a question of washing of hands.
10:15 Was He washing His hands correctly?
10:17 There were no unclean foods, there were no foods
10:21 against the Leviticus on the table.
10:23 these were all Jewish people.
10:24 the Jews had rules where if you were unclean for
10:28 some reason, un-pure, and you touched something you
10:32 would make it unclean.
10:33 And if I came along and touched it,
10:34 Professor: It would make you unclean, right!
10:36 So the question is you wash your hands ceremonially, then
10:39 you never have contact with this uncleanness.
10:42 But Jesus seems to be indicating that there is a
10:44 higher level here, if we turn a text in the Old
10:47 Testament it may help through a little light on this.
10:49 That is in Isaiah 1:, we have to go quickly but in
10:52 Isaiah 1:11-17 says this, "what are your multiplied
11:03 sacrifices to me says the Lord. I have had enough of
11:07 burnt offerings of Rams, the fat of a fed cattle,
11:09 and I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls,
11:12 lambs or goats. When you come to appear before me
11:15 who requires of you this trampling of my courts?
11:17 Bring your worthless offerings no longer, incenses is an
11:21 abomination to me; new moon and Sabbaths,
11:23 the calling of assemblies,
11:25 I can't even endure iniquity in this solemn assembly.
11:28 I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed
11:30 feasts, they have become a burden to me and I am weary
11:33 of bearing them. So when you spread out your hands in
11:36 prayer I will hide my eyes from you, yes even though
11:39 you multiply prayers I will not listen your hands are
11:41 covered with blood. Wash yourselves, make yourselves
11:45 clean; remove the evil of your deeds from my sights;
11:48 cease to do evil; learn to do good; seek justice,
11:51 reprove the ruthless, defend the orphaned,
11:54 plead for the widow. "
11:55 What he is saying, he is not opposed to
11:57 going to the temple.
11:59 What he is really saying is, it is much more important
12:02 how you treat people.
12:03 If you treat people poorly and then you go and pray
12:06 in the temple, that is worthless.
12:09 You must take care of people.
12:11 Isaiah is not opposed to going and worshiping in the
12:15 temple, but there's kind of like a hyperbole here.
12:17 So in Mark 7, Jesus isn't doing away with the unclean
12:23 food business, He is talking about the importance of
12:26 purity of heart.
12:27 Kevin: A very important thing to remember.
12:29 I cannot believe we are out of time once again.
12:31 Well professor just want to thank you once
12:35 again for joining us.
12:36 Kevin a pleasure to be with you and I thank you
12:38 for letting me be here.
12:39 Thank you very much.
12:40 Folks, it is not a matter of the outside, it's
12:43 a matter of the inside and what really defiles a man?
12:46 Think about that and keep an eye on your heart,
12:49 not so much what you look like on the outside.
12:51 Don't forget join us next time on Books of the Book.