Participants: Kevin Hart, Tom Shepherd
Series Code: MBOTB
Program Code: MBOTB00010A
00:20 Welcome to Books of the Book.
00:23 Have you ever wondered what your future holds?
00:25 You know I sure walking out through the check out
00:26 line you notice that all the magazine tabloids
00:29 everything else, predictions by Nostradamus and things that
00:32 are going to come in the future.
00:33 Well the disciples ask Jesus a question about
00:36 a prediction He had make concerning
00:38 the temple in Jerusalem.
00:39 Jesus gave them an answer but He didn't just give them
00:42 a peek into the future, He gave them a whole lot more.
00:44 With us today we have Professor Tom Shepherd from
00:47 Andrews University, he is a professor of New Testament
00:49 Interpretation, and welcome Professor.
00:51 Tom: It's good to be with you.
00:53 Kevin: now you teach Greek, is there
00:54 anything else you teach?
00:55 Yeah, I teach Greek at the seminary, I've also
00:58 taught the theology of 1 and 2 Peter, and I've taught
01:03 the gospel of Mark of course, and I will be teaching
01:05 the book of Revelation at the seminary as well.
01:08 Kevin: excellent!
01:09 Tom: it kind of goes along with our topic today about
01:11 what is going to happen at the and of time.
01:14 Kevin: good, well let's dive in and find out what is
01:15 going to happen at the end of time.
01:16 Tom: alright we're going to look at Mark chapter 13,
01:20 a very interesting chapter.
01:21 The big name for this is Eschatological discourse,
01:25 Eschatology means dealing with things of the last days.
01:28 So were are going to read, pretty much, a fair portion
01:32 of the chapter, we want to start with verse 1 - 4.
01:36 Mark 13 verses 1- 4.
01:39 Kevin: okay, "as he went out of the temple one of
01:43 his disciples said unto him, Master see what manners
01:46 of stones of the buildings are here? And Jesus
01:49 answering said unto him, seest thou these great
01:52 buildings, there shall not be left one stone upon
01:55 another that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat
01:58 upon the Mount of olives, over against the temple,
02:01 Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him
02:03 privately tell us when shall these things be
02:07 and what shall be the sign when all these things
02:09 shall be fulfilled. "
02:11 Tom: alright, will it is quite an interesting prophecy isn't
02:14 it - ah, huh - about the destruction of the Temple.
02:17 This temple was the most beautiful structure that
02:22 they had, probably in all Palestine.
02:24 It dominated the city of Jerusalem, huge stones.
02:28 Today the temple is completely gone, the only thing
02:32 that is left is one of the retaining walls and even
02:35 there the stones are just massive.
02:37 It was decorated with gold, it was just phenomenal
02:43 looking temple, it was all, of course, constructed without any
02:45 of the kind of equipment that we have today, cranes and all
02:48 kinds of strong equipment - it wasn't built overnight.
02:52 This was all done with manpower, in fact they
02:54 were still working on it, this temple and did so
02:57 up until about 65 A.D.
02:59 so for Jesus to declare that all these buildings were
03:05 going to be torn down.
03:06 - the disciples were like how?
03:08 Tom: how, this would be like 40 years before 9/11
03:14 2001, when the World Trade Centers were both destroyed
03:17 in that terrible tragedy.
03:19 40 years earlier for someone to predict that
03:21 would happen, people would be like what this is
03:25 never going to happen.
03:26 Jesus' prediction was really amazing and unusual.
03:31 The rest of the chapter is Him filling out the details,
03:36 because what He says here is do you not see these
03:41 buildings, verse 2, not one stone will be left upon another
03:45 which we'll not be torn down, this was the basic
03:47 prophecy that Jesus gave and they wanted details.
03:49 Tell us, when this is going to happen,
03:52 How's it going to take place?
03:53 We have another graphic that shows an outline
03:56 of the chapter to help us see how this was
03:59 going to take place.
04:00 The outline there is like 4 sections.
04:31 So we want to go through this step-by-step and
04:34 see what's going to happen and how Jesus
04:38 explained to the disciples.
04:40 It is important notice in verse 4, what they asked.
04:44 "Tell us they said, when will these things be?
04:48 And what will be the sign when all these things
04:52 are to be fulfilled?"
04:53 It is really two questions that they asked,
04:55 when and what.
04:57 Kevin: they wanted to be prepared - they wanted
04:59 to be prepared, and they want some indication of
05:01 timing, but they also want some indication of what
05:03 kind of events are going to take place.
05:06 So let's read verses 5-16 and see how Jesus went
05:12 about explaining what was going to happen.
05:14 Mark 13, starting in verse 5 and going
05:18 through verse 16.
05:20 I'll read verses 5-8, you can read from 9-16.
05:24 Okay, verse 5, "Jesus began to say to them, see to
05:30 it that no one misleads you, many will come in my
05:33 name saying, I'm he and will mislead many. When you
05:38 hear of wars and rumors of wars do not be frightened,
05:40 those things must take place, but that is not yet
05:44 the end. For a nation will rise up against nation and
05:48 kingdom against kingdom, there were be earthquakes
05:50 in various places, there were also be famines.
05:53 These things are merely the beginning of birth pains.
05:57 Tom: "but take heed to yourself for they shall
05:59 deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues you
06:02 shall be beaten, and ye shall be brought before rulers
06:06 and kings for my sake for a testimony against them.
06:08 And the gospel must be first published among all
06:11 nations, but when they shall lead you and deliver
06:14 you up, take no thought before hand what ye shall
06:17 speak, neither do ye premeditate, but whatsoever
06:21 shall be given you in that hour that speak ye.
06:24 For it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
06:27 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death,
06:31 and the father the son, and children shall rise up
06:34 against their parents and shall cause them to be put
06:36 to death. And ye shall be hated of all men
06:39 for my namesake, but he that shall endure
06:42 until the end, the same shall be saved, but when ye shall see
06:46 the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the
06:50 prophet standing where it
06:51 ought not, let him that readeth understand. Then let
06:54 them that be in Judea flee to the mountains, and let
06:57 him that is on the House top not go down into the
07:00 house, neither entered there in to take anything out
07:04 of his house. Let him that is in the field not turn
07:07 back again for to take up his garment. "
07:10 Kevin: quite a lot of stuff he talks about here.
07:12 Tom: yeah, what would you say is the feel for this?
07:15 What kind of feeling does this whole prophecy,
07:19 so far, give you?
07:20 Kevin: ah, something major is going to happen, be
07:23 prepared and when it does be ready to take action,
07:26 whether it be taking off fleeing to the mountains,
07:30 or don't worry about what you're going to say,
07:32 quite a lot of events.
07:34 Tom: it seems like a very somber kind of prophecy to me.
07:38 Kevin: yeah, very dark.
07:40 Tom: yeah He starts watch out, be on your guard, they
07:44 are going to try to deceive you, many will be deceived,
07:46 there will be false Christ's and false prophets
07:49 There will be wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence,
07:52 I mean it just sounds like a terrible series.
07:56 Kevin: the time you do not want to be living in.
07:57 Tom: yeah, just a terrible series of events it's
08:00 going to take place and then in verses 9-13, He says,
08:06 oh and this is what's going to happen to you.
08:09 What's going to happen to you is that you are going
08:12 to be delivered to courts, you're going to be flogged,
08:14 your children are going to turn you over, the fathers
08:18 are going to turn over the children.
08:19 Everybody is going to hate you, but the gospel is going
08:23 to be preached everywhere, but you will be brought
08:27 there so don't worry about what you are going to say.
08:29 But it just sounds like you'll, He says we will be
08:34 hated, everyone will hate you because of Me.
08:36 Kevin: He mentions this statement, the abomination of
08:41 desolation, what exactly is that?
08:42 Tom: ah, that is a very, very interesting term.
08:46 The abomination of desolation is a terminology that
08:50 comes from the book of Daniel.
08:52 It is actually refer to a number of times in the
08:55 book of Daniel and it seems that Jesus wanted people
08:59 to understand - right because it says let
09:02 him that readeth understand.
09:03 Tom: yeah right! This is actually the turning
09:06 point of the prophecy.
09:08 He says, when you see, before this He said when you
09:11 hear that and so forth, but He says when you see the
09:14 abomination of desolation that is the time to get away.
09:19 Flee, so we have try to understand what is this
09:21 abomination of desolation.
09:24 So we have to first go over to Daniel chapter 9.
09:26 It is not only referred to in Daniel 9 it is also
09:31 in some other places in Daniel, but this is one of
09:33 the main places and we have actually looked at Daniel 9
09:35 before, so it is really a very interesting prophecy.
09:39 Daniel 9:24-27 is a whole prophecy about the coming of
09:44 the Messiah, the 70 week prophecy and the Messiah would
09:48 come, and we talked about this a little bit before we talked
09:51 about chapter 1, when Jesus said the time was fulfilled.
09:53 That was the time of Daniel's prophecy, okay?
09:56 Now the prophecy continues in verse 26 and 27,
10:01 I'll read verse 26 and you read verse 27, see
10:04 if we can make sense of it.
10:06 "And then after the 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut
10:09 off and have nothing and the people of the prince
10:12 who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary,
10:15 and his end will come with the flood, even to the end
10:19 there will be war, desolation's are determined. "
10:22 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for
10:25 one week. And in the midst of the week he shall cause
10:27 the sacrifice and the oblation to cease for the over
10:31 spreading of abominations he shall make it desolate
10:34 even until the consummation and that determined
10:37 shall be poured upon the desolate. "
10:39 Tom: did you understand that?
10:42 Kevin: not in the King James, but even in any
10:46 translation is not an easy passage to understand.
10:49 Tom: it is not an easy passage to understand.
10:50 If we go back and look at this for just a few moments
10:53 we see in verse 26, that says, after 62 weeks the
10:57 Messiah would be cut off.
10:58 In the great prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 here,
11:03 there is a prophecy about the Messiah coming,
11:07 that came to fulfillment in the year 27 A.D.
11:12 when Jesus was baptized.
11:14 That was fulfilled, we don't have time to lay
11:16 out all the prophetic timeline, it would be so
11:19 interesting to do.
11:20 But you just maybe have take it for granted at this
11:24 point, it comes to a conclusion at 27 A.D..
11:27 There is one week of this 70 weeks prophecy left.
11:31 It's divided in kind of two parts because we read
11:36 that in the middle of the week He causes the oblation
11:40 to cease, and now we have a little graphic that helps
11:43 us to understand verses 26 and 27 a little bit better.
11:45 The Messiah in the Prince who is to come, they are not
11:50 actually the same individuals.
11:52 The Messiah is talked about in chapter 29:26a,
11:57 the first part of the verse, then after 62 weeks the
12:01 Messiah will be cut off and have nothing.
12:03 But then it says and the people of the Prince to come
12:07 and will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
12:09 That is actually a prophecy about the destruction
12:12 of Jerusalem that happened in 70 A.D.
12:14 so between 26 a. and 26 b.
12:19 There is a period of 40 years.
12:22 You notice 27a in our little chart says and the
12:26 middle of the week the offerings cease.
12:28 Actually 26a and 27a are both about the Messiah.
12:32 Then the second part 26b and 27b are about the
12:37 Prince who is to come.
12:39 You may say why did Daniel write it that way?
12:41 You know I can't get into Daniel's mind totally,
12:45 but as we look at this we start to see that this
12:48 verse is divided in two.
12:50 26a is about the Messiah, 26b is about the Prince to
12:55 come, that was Titus the man who was the leader of the Romans
12:59 who destroyed the city.
13:00 Then 27a, is again about the Messiah, He will
13:04 cause a oblation to cease, at Jesus death the Temple
13:07 curtain was torn in two and the significance of
13:10 the sanctuary service on earth came to a conclusion.
13:14 Then 27a again talks about that desolator,
13:17 the prince who is to come.
13:19 So the abomination of desolation is here in verse 27
13:25 and it is about the prince to come, so if we go back to
13:29 Daniel, I'm sorry back to Mark chapter 13 and we look
13:33 at verse 14 one more time so we get a little
13:36 clearer picture of this.
13:38 "So when you see the abomination of desolation standing
13:41 where it should not be, let the reader understand that
13:44 those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. "
13:47 Something was going to occur.
13:50 What Jesus said was a fulfillment of Daniel 9:27b,
13:57 the last part of verse 27.
13:58 That would be the abomination of desolation,
14:02 something related to the destruction of the city.
14:05 The question is what was it?
14:08 That is an excellent question but before we answer
14:12 that question we are going to take a break.
14:14 Stay with us we will be right back with
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