Participants: Kevin Hart, Tom Shepherd
Series Code: MBOTB
Program Code: MBOTB00010B
00:04 Welcome back to Books of the Book and we are
00:06 about to find out what is the
00:08 abomination of desolation, professor.
00:10 Tom: we are looking in Mark chapter 13:14, "but when
00:14 you see the abomination of desolation standing where it
00:17 should not be let the reader understand then those that
00:20 are in Judea must flee to the mountains. "
00:22 To understand this let me give you a little background.
00:24 The abomination of desolation in the book of Daniel
00:27 has been interpreted by many scholars, actually to
00:31 refer to an event that happened like a 160 years
00:34 before the time of Jesus.
00:36 This was when the Seleucid King and Antiochus Epiphanies
00:43 tried to wipe out Judaism.
00:44 There was a rebellion that happened in Palestine and
00:47 according to these critical scholars the book of Daniel
00:50 was written at that very time.
00:52 The abomination of desolation referred to Antiochus Epiphanies
00:58 coming to Jerusalem, setting up altar offering of pig on the
01:04 altar and setting up an idol there and so forth.
01:06 And desecrating the temple, and that Daniel was written not
01:11 by actual by Daniel in 600, 500 B.C., but much later.
01:16 In the time of the Maccabees, that is the very common
01:20 interpretation of this.
01:22 The problem is twofold, first of all none of the time
01:26 prophecies of Daniel, none of them fit Antiochus
01:31 Epiphanies in that is a stumbling block
01:33 for that interpretation.
01:34 The second thing is that Jesus in His interpretation
01:38 of abomination of desolation did not think of it as
01:41 an event past, He speaks of it as an event and future.
01:45 So for Jesus, this abomination is still future and it
01:48 is something tied up with the destruction of the
01:51 Temple in Jerusalem.
01:53 Now we know that the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.
01:56 by the Roman armies.
01:57 The question is, what exactly was this abomination that
02:00 was brought there and there has been many suggestions
02:04 that have been made.
02:05 Quite of few of them are not quite satisfying, one
02:09 suggestion is that when Titus came into the temple
02:13 area, when the Romans broke through and they came
02:16 into the temple area, they set up the Roman standards
02:19 that were pagan standards in the temple area,
02:22 and this was the abomination.
02:23 The trouble with that interpretation is it would be
02:26 a little late for getting away wouldn't it?
02:28 Kevin: absolutely, sure.
02:29 Tom: they had already broken in there is no hope.
02:32 Other suggestion has been about a statue of Titus,
02:36 that is historically disputed.
02:38 Statues of Pilate, or Hadrian that is too late
02:41 or too early.
02:42 The atrocities done by the Zealots during the time of the
02:46 war against the Romans, it is hard to see how that
02:51 fits with something standing.
02:53 There are just many of these things that are
02:56 problematic, so actually a very helpful thing here at
03:00 this point is to read a parallel passage in the book of
03:03 Luke chapter 21:20.
03:06 So we want to go there real quick to Luke 21:20, it's
03:09 the same eschatological discourse, the same discourse
03:12 about the time of end, the destruction of Jerusalem,
03:15 the time at the end and Luke describes this
03:19 a little bit differently.
03:22 So in Luke 21:20, if you have that
03:26 you can read that for us.
03:27 Kevin: "and when you shall see Jerusalem compassed with
03:31 armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. "
03:34 Tom: Luke does not use the term abomination of
03:37 desolation, but he says the desolation is nigh, and he
03:41 says when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.
03:45 So it may be that the surrounding of Jerusalem by
03:49 these pagan armies was acts of the abomination of desolation.
03:54 Now the problem is, that is when Jesus told people to
03:59 flee, isn't it a little bit late to flee when the Army
04:04 has surrounded the city?
04:06 It doesn't seem quite to work, will there is a very
04:09 interesting historical event that happened.
04:11 The Romans did come, they surrounded the city, and then
04:14 they left, they departed and the Christians recognized
04:18 that was the sign and they departed at that time.
04:22 Actually the Jewish zealots rebels chased after the
04:26 Romans, they thought they had really want a great victory.
04:29 The Romans returned later and destroy the temple, the
04:32 city and it was a terrible event.
04:35 Kevin: but it was within that time the Jewish Christians
04:38 took off - they took off and left.
04:40 They took off and left, we have really got to press on,
04:43 in Mark chapter 13 to get down to the rest of this
04:45 chapter so we want to read now verses 17-27.
04:49 Tom: I'll read 17-23 you read 24-27.
04:53 "But woe to those that are pregnant and to those who
04:58 are nursing babies in those days, but pray that it may not
05:01 happen in the winter. For those days will be a time of
05:04 tribulation such as not occurred since the beginning of
05:06 creation which God created until now and never will,
05:09 unless the Lord has shortened those days no life would
05:12 have been saved, but for the sake of the elect whom he
05:15 chose he shortened days. And then if anybody says to
05:18 you behold here's the Christ, or behold he is there,
05:21 do not believe him, for false Christ's and false prophets will
05:24 arise and will show signs and wonders in order to lead
05:27 a stray, if possible, the elect. But take heed behold I
05:31 have told you everything in advance. "
05:32 Kevin: "but in those days after that tribulation and
05:35 the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give
05:38 her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall and the
05:41 powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then
05:44 shall they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds
05:47 with great power and glory, and then shall he send his
05:50 angels, and shall gather together his elect from the
05:53 four winds from the uttermost parts of the earth,
05:56 To the uttermost part of heaven. "
05:57 Tom: alright now we know when we get down to the
06:00 end of this section that we are talking about
06:02 the second coming of Jesus.
06:04 And there is some kind of timeline that goes from
06:07 the destruction of Jerusalem to the end of the
06:11 world when Jesus returns.
06:13 Jesus calls this, a time of great tribulation, now
06:16 the question is when is this tribulation period?
06:19 If you just read the chapter through you might get
06:23 the idea that the tribulation is actually the
06:25 time when Jerusalem fell.
06:26 And you just keep reading and it seems like it's not
06:30 going to be that long and Jesus is going to return.
06:34 Well of course it's been almost 2000 years since the
06:37 fall of Jerusalem, so someone might wonder that
06:41 doesn't seem not to very short time.
06:43 How could this prophecy cover this entire period of
06:47 time and talk about it in such short verses.
06:51 Did Jesus not understand what was going to happen?
06:55 I brought with me a wonderful high-tech illustration
06:58 today and here I'll hold it up like this.
07:02 It is a ruler, a simple teachers ruler.
07:06 Now if I hold the ruler like this and you can look
07:09 straight at it and see it's a foot long.
07:11 If I turn it slightly like this, if I could keep a
07:16 level, now how wide does the ruler looked to you?
07:21 You say I can hardly see the ruler of all,
07:22 against your bow tie there.
07:23 I have to turn it back like this so you can see it,
07:26 but it is amazing how the ruler seems to change in sizes
07:31 as I turn it towards you, it becomes for-shortened.
07:34 So when Jesus described the prophecy, He's describing
07:38 it with a few verses and it looks really short, but
07:42 actually, what Jesus was doing, was talking about a timeline
07:45 that was much longer.
07:46 Kevin: so it depends on your perspective!
07:48 Tom: it depends on your perspective, and somebody
07:50 says why in the world would He do that?
07:51 Well He did that out of mercy to His disciples,
07:55 now if I were to tell you, will for instance if I were
08:00 to tell you the day when you were going to die,
08:02 somehow I knew, God showed me and I knew the day
08:04 you're going to die and it was 10 years from now.
08:06 I would say it was going be August 15,
08:10 in such and such a year.
08:12 What would you be thinking about between now and then?
08:15 You know I probably would enjoy life the first few
08:18 years and then I would really start really counting
08:20 down the minutes.
08:21 Tom: all you would be thinking about is that end point.
08:26 God in mercy covers over for us our future.
08:30 Kevin: in fact I believe another passage He tells His
08:33 disciples "I have many things to tell you now of which you
08:35 cannot bear them. "
08:36 Tom: you cannot bear them, you cannot take them now,
08:37 but in the future you will understand.
08:39 So God doesn't show us everything, He gives us enough
08:42 information so we know what we're supposed to do.
08:45 When the prophecies come true we say, wow the Lord
08:49 was in that and was watching over us, the Lord was taking
08:52 care of us, but He just doesn't tell us prophecies just to,
08:55 for our curiosity, to satisfy our curiosity.
08:58 That's what the Nostradamus tabloid things are,
09:01 you know to get people to buy magazines
09:03 and satisfy their curiosity.
09:05 No, God has a much deeper thing that
09:06 He is planning for us.
09:08 So now let's read a little bit further to see the
09:12 kinds of lessons that Jesus has in mind.
09:15 And we will come to a couple of verses that have
09:18 troubled people a lot, and those are verses 30-32.
09:22 So would you read those for us?
09:24 Kevin: "verily I say unto you that this generation
09:27 shall not pass until all these things be done.
09:30 Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words
09:33 shall not pass away. "
09:35 Tom: so these verses have really troubled people
09:39 because it says this generation will not pass away until
09:43 all these things take place, and they say wait a minute.
09:46 Wait a minute, Jesus hasn't come yet.
09:49 This generation that's been long dead,
09:52 is this prophecy not true?
09:54 Well if you study the prophecy carefully there is a
09:57 very interesting difference between the phrase "these
10:00 things" and "those days".
10:03 These things and those days, in fact if you look here
10:05 in verse 30-32 again, when you notice those terminologies,
10:08 He says, "truly I say to you this generation will
10:12 not pass away until till all "these things" take place.
10:15 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not
10:18 pass away, but of "that day" or hour no one knows not even
10:21 the angels in heaven, nor the son but the father alone. "
10:24 Now we have a little graphic here that illustrates the
10:26 difference between "these things" and "those days".
10:29 "These things", the term "these things", you go
10:32 through these passage you will find it is linked
10:34 to the fall of Jerusalem.
10:35 It can be known, you see these things happening.
10:39 You are to watch and when it happens you are to flee.
10:44 But when we come to the term "that hour", or "those days",
10:48 then we find there is a link to the second coming that
10:52 can't be known and that you are to watch and wait.
10:58 So if we go back and look at verse 30 we find that
11:02 this generation will not pass away until all these
11:06 things take place.
11:07 That's the things that we deal with the fall of
11:09 Jerusalem and all those things did take place with in
11:11 that 40 year period, of that time of that generation.
11:14 But those things, or "those days" and "that hour",
11:17 referring to the second coming of Jesus, we don't
11:20 know exactly when that will occur.
11:22 Kevin: they are future events!
11:24 Tom: they are future events still for our time,
11:26 it's a future event.
11:27 Now there are certain life lessons that I hope we can
11:29 gather from looking at this passage.
11:32 First of all there are really two in number,
11:35 trust God and keep awake.
11:38 Trust God and keep awake, Jesus told us that that's
11:42 what we are to do, we are to keep watch.
11:44 Now I actually teach people I have a little phrase
11:48 some time that's called eschatological temperance.
11:51 Eschatological, of course we've already said earlier
11:53 in this program, refers to something dealing
11:56 with the last days.
11:57 Okay looking for the last days the coming of the end.
12:00 Temperance has to do a self control, has to do with the
12:02 lifestyle that fosters wait-fullness.
12:06 This is staying away from things like tobacco and
12:10 alcohol, illicit drugs, and a way of life that put
12:13 you to sleep spiritually.
12:15 Eschatological temperance, we are looking for the soon
12:18 coming of Jesus, we must be ready for Him to come.
12:20 Kevin: sounds good to me.
12:22 Tom: the disciples watched and so should you and I.
12:25 Kevin: well that is some good life lessons that we
12:28 could pull out of this, because we don't always think
12:30 out of prophetic events that you can pull life lessons
12:33 out of them, but Jesus does say - He always has these
12:36 life's lessons, He's always about an ethic,
12:39 a wavelength that we are to follow.
12:41 Kevin: well professor once again I want to thank you
12:43 for coming and sharing, sharing what you have
12:44 learned in your research.
12:45 Tom: it's wonderful book to study the gospel of Mark and
12:47 these Eschatological discourse.
12:49 Kevin: remember everyone, get a good nights sleep,
12:52 but always stay spiritually awake.
12:54 Thank you once again for joining us, this has been
12:57 Books of the Book.