Night Light Live

Aspect of Jewish Work & Jewish Ministry

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Jim Gilley (Host), Alex Schlussler, Jeff Zaremsky, Ralph Ringer, Sasha Bolotnikov, Shawn Boonstra (phone)

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00:11 We welcome you back to this very special edition
00:14 of Night Light.
00:15 We're talking with four distinguished gentlemen,
00:19 Jeff Zaremsky, Alexander/Sasha Bolotnikov,
00:25 Ralph Ringer
00:27 and the Pastor of this very fine church,
00:29 Alex Schus... Schlussler.
00:33 We didn't make it easier on you did we?
00:35 No, you did not... Zaremsky, Bolotnikov,
00:37 Ringer and Schlussler... praise the Lord.
00:39 In the first half... we got into a very intense...
00:42 and I think very informative discussion
00:44 on work with... for... to... and among Jewish people
00:50 and some of the barriers
00:52 and some of the ingrained things
00:53 that are a part of Western culture...
00:56 Western theology...
00:57 American Christianity...
00:59 that are impediments to successful work
01:02 and successful sharing.
01:04 When we left, we were going to touch on this idea
01:08 of "Replacement Theology"
01:10 and my statement was
01:11 I think it was one of the greatest barriers
01:14 to successful work among our Jewish brethren
01:17 play with that a little bit, unpack that...
01:20 you may agree... you may disagree...
01:21 you're free to do so.
01:23 So, I think that maybe some people even get confused by...
01:28 when we're even talking about "Replacement Theology"
01:32 because it's become such a natural part of Christianity
01:36 things... you know, people...
01:38 just replacing what is in the Bible
01:41 with what people have taught or thought
01:44 you know... and... it came up in the first half...
01:48 this idea of... of... a change that took place
01:52 after the stoning of Stephen
01:54 and how it's regularly taught that...
01:56 that... "Okay, now God is done away with the Jews... "
01:58 and how Paul is misquoted in the fact that...
02:02 "Okay, he's done with the Jews and he's brushed them away"
02:05 but I think that this came out in the Program before
02:08 when Brother Jeff was speaking
02:10 but I think it's very important for us to...
02:12 to get ahold of this point and that is
02:14 that the big shift... the big change that took place
02:17 was that... this political entity...
02:20 this national entity that we want to call, "Israel"
02:24 or the Jews at the time of the first century,
02:26 now God said, "Okay, now wait a minute,
02:29 that's not where I'm putting my emphasis anymore,
02:31 now, I'm turning to a global situation
02:35 and I'm not done with the people...
02:39 I'm done with that entity... that political force... "
02:45 I don't just want to just say, "the nation"
02:47 because "nation" implies "people"
02:48 but God is never done with any "people group"
02:52 and to say that He has singled out a "group"
02:55 such as the "Jews" because of their action...
02:58 because they denied Jesus...
03:00 well, there isn't a "people group"
03:01 that exists on this planet
03:03 that they haven't... at one time or another,
03:05 denied Jesus...
03:07 so you just can't say,
03:08 "Well, it was for them and not for others... "
03:11 so we have to completely remove that thinking...
03:14 we have to remove that preaching from our pulpits...
03:17 okay, and that becomes one of the key stumbling blocks
03:20 that a Jew could walk into a congregation
03:24 and hear something which I've heard in the past,
03:26 someone once said that...
03:28 oh, whenever you read the book of Psalms
03:30 and you see the word "Zion" now, you put "Church" in there
03:34 because that's what it's talking about
03:36 which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard
03:39 but people were "Amen-ing"
03:41 because they've been taught
03:43 for as long as they've been sitting in the pews
03:46 that this is the right way to interpret Scripture.
03:48 Pastor CA: Ah ha... ah ha...
03:49 The roots of "replacement theology"
03:52 go as far back as the 2nd century
03:55 and they're rooted in the fact
03:58 that the Church Fathers of the late 2nd Century
04:03 were trying to find the ways to make...
04:07 to get away from the persecutions which were going on
04:11 and that's historical...
04:13 it's very clear that Romans did not differentiate
04:16 between Christians and the Jews.
04:19 For Romans... Christians were the part of Jewish faith
04:24 the same way as Pharisees, Sadducees...
04:27 like today's Christianity is fragmented
04:30 and the Muslim looks at Christianity from outside...
04:33 he doesn't care...
04:35 whether it's Protestant, whether it's Catholic,
04:37 whether it's Seventh-day Adventist,
04:39 so, the same way... for the Romans...
04:41 and so, the Greek Church Fathers of the 2nd Century
04:46 tried to distance themselves from their origin
04:51 and that's where it comes...
04:53 an extreme ridicule of the Jews...
04:57 it was the environment like this,
05:00 in fact, Romans ridiculed Jews and mainly for the Sabbath.
05:05 For example, they would have...
05:07 and it's in the ancient documents... it's written...
05:10 like, they would have a theatre
05:12 like the one we could see... good theatre in Caesarea...
05:17 and in theatre in Caesarea, they would bring a camel
05:21 and there was a sackcloth on a camel
05:24 and what they would say, "Why a cloth...
05:27 why a sackcloth is on the camel?"
05:31 And they answered, "Because it's a Jewish camel
05:35 and it's the Sabbath
05:37 and the Jew doesn't feed the camel"
05:40 and so... the laughter throughout this big theatre...
05:44 so, this was a big policy of Romans to ridicule Jews
05:49 and those Christians
05:52 wanted to get away from being ridiculed...
05:55 being persecuted...
05:57 and they began to teach what they did...
06:00 they started to mock Judaism.
06:03 there was a church father by the name: Origen,
06:07 he started to mock the Law,
06:11 so, he mocked the Sabbath in his work...
06:14 all kinds of things
06:16 and eventually, was growing, growing, growing
06:19 over 2nd Century, 3rd Century, 4th Century
06:23 and it culminated in Saint Augustine
06:26 who basically said, "You know what?
06:30 God rejected Jews... God rejected Jerusalem...
06:34 God rejected the Temple and gave it all to the Church. "
06:38 So, what do we have now?
06:40 Now, instead of Israel... we have a Church...
06:44 which he meant, back then, what would become a predecessor
06:48 of a Catholic Church.
06:50 He rejected Jewish priesthood
06:53 and now, we have our own "priesthood"
06:57 and if you look in the deep heart of that,
07:01 that's where Adventist beliefs in Antichrist is rooted in...
07:06 Revelation... the beast of Revelation 13
07:09 connected with the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8,
07:13 this is a false priesthood
07:16 that takes the place of Jesus as the High Priest
07:21 so, to prepare the hearts of the Christians
07:25 to this concept for two centuries...
07:30 the idea of God replacing Israel was playing out
07:34 and so, naturally, "Hey, the Temple is done away,
07:38 here's the Cathedral which is going to be the temple
07:42 where we serve the Mass...
07:43 and here is your Priest... here is your High Priest... "
07:47 which is one of the titles
07:49 of the Head of the Roman Catholic Church today.
07:52 It's one thing to say that "Replacement Theology" is wrong
07:56 we need to then look at, "Well, then what is right?"
07:58 And, see you've got
08:00 "Replacement Theology" on one side,
08:01 it says... okay... that
08:03 Israel was the Jewish people... the chosen people...
08:06 prior to the Messiah coming
08:08 and then it gets replaced with the church... with the Gentiles
08:11 "Dispensationalism" on the other side...
08:14 on the other ditch... on the other side of the road...
08:16 says that, Israel was the chosen people
08:19 before the Messiah,
08:20 and continues to be the only chosen people
08:24 and that Israel is it... forever.
08:26 Now, a balance in the middle if we look again Biblically...
08:29 we see that from the beginning,
08:32 it's never been just the Jewish people...
08:34 it's always been a mix of Jews and Gentiles...
08:38 again, David's great-grandmother right, Ruth...
08:42 and the Gibeonites and many others
08:45 who've come in... or were invited in...
08:46 the mixed multitude that came out of Egypt...
08:48 so it's always been Jews and Gentiles...
08:50 they were being just one group...
08:52 just given to one group,
08:53 and so, that's how it was before the Messiah came
08:56 and that's how it is after the Messiah came.
08:59 It's still Jew and Gentile... it's still for all
09:02 and it's still open for all... that we're all chosen by God...
09:05 and we're all chosen for one reason...
09:06 to share God's love with the rest of the world.
09:09 That's an important point, chosen... you said...
09:10 but chosen for what?
09:12 Chosen to share,
09:13 I mean, if He wanted to just keep them separate,
09:14 it could have been at Antarctica
09:16 but He put them there on the crossroads of the nation
09:18 so that there could be this flow-through
09:20 so that people could see and adopt...
09:22 and adapt and see what was going on.
09:24 C.A. I don't have time to go
09:27 into a nitty gritty of Hebrew syntax
09:29 but we often misunderstand the term, "Chosen"
09:33 because in minds of many people,
09:36 "Chosen" is somebody to whom God is playing favoritism,
09:42 God doesn't have... and never had favoritism...
09:45 the issue... the term... the way how it's used
09:48 in the book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 7
09:51 and in the book of Exodus Chapter 19,
09:53 "Chosen" implies the service of priesthood.
09:58 Well, if you look at the priesthood,
10:02 you have three... three distinct...
10:07 three distinct services...
10:10 priests do... did the service at the temple
10:14 ritual... sacrificial service...
10:17 this is no longer in human hands...
10:19 this is Christ...
10:20 priests and Levites... taught... were supposed to teach
10:27 the other Jewish people and the world
10:31 the Word of God and that is what's implied
10:36 in the Epistle of Peter when it says,
10:39 "You are the chosen priesthood"
10:41 so every believer is to be a priest...
10:44 but there is a third option... and the third option...
10:48 a third task that the priest did was to preserve the Scripture
10:54 and without Jewish people
10:58 who actually did preserve Scripture for us
11:02 there is no way
11:05 there could be even a reformation in Christianity
11:09 in Romans Chapter 3 verse 1 and 2,
11:13 it says very clearly... "What's the advantage of a Jew?"
11:17 And Paul speaks today... a great advantage...
11:20 because to them, the oracles of God were given.
11:24 Paul speaks after the crucifixion of Jesus,
11:28 Paul speaks, after the stoning of Stephen...
11:32 and assigns to Jewish people a special role...
11:36 not any more...
11:37 theocratic-temple-centered State of Israel
11:41 but to preserve the Word of God
11:43 look at the history of Luther... Luther...
11:46 and the Protestantism is rooted in the translation of the Bible,
11:51 so, how does Luther translate the Bible... the New Testament?
11:56 He knows Greek from the university
11:59 where he got is doctorate,
12:00 where does he know Hebrew?
12:02 He goes to the Rabbi in Worms
12:04 we have it documented
12:06 and studies at the synagogue
12:08 and then we have Luther Bible Translation...
12:11 what about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
12:14 I mean, today every evangelistic campaign
12:18 starts establishing the validity of the Word of God
12:21 and shows the Dead Sea Scrolls.
12:23 When were they discovered?
12:25 In 1948... guess what?
12:28 it's the same time when the State of Israel was discovered
12:31 and without the scholarship and the capacities
12:35 of Hebrew universities in the State of Israel,
12:40 we wouldn't have this most valuable resource
12:44 which we use today
12:45 to prove the unchangeability of the Word of God.
12:49 Amen.
12:50 C.A., I... going back to the "Replacement Theology"
12:55 one of the things that I have heard many times
12:59 by even ministers...
13:02 they say, "Well, remember at the crucifixion,
13:07 the Jews said, 'Let His blood be upon us... '
13:12 to Pilate... and our descendants...
13:16 and therefore, that is why it's no longer the Jews...
13:23 it's the Church... because they gave that up at the cross,
13:28 and they asked for it. "
13:29 But you know, that's only half of the story,
13:35 what did Jesus say on the cross after that had happened?
13:43 What did He... His prayer to the Father...
13:47 "Father, forgive them...
13:48 they don't know what they're doing... "
13:51 now, my question...
13:54 to answer those who say,
13:56 "They asked for it and they got it... "
13:58 Which one did the Father listen to?
14:02 Was it those crying for...
14:05 you know... "Let His blood be upon us... "
14:08 or Jesus saying, "Father, forgive them...
14:10 they don't know what they're doing... "
14:12 and how many of us... sometimes it's easy to say,
14:16 "They rejected Jesus... "
14:17 but how many of us at some time in our life
14:21 and I think Alex referred to that earlier...
14:25 how many of us have rejected Jesus in some way?
14:29 And we're all guilty of Jesus' blood
14:32 because we've all sinned.
14:34 And those that said that
14:35 were a mob that was hired... hired mob...
14:38 in the middle of the night...
14:40 that wasn't the representative of all the people...
14:42 That's right...
14:43 Now this is the heart of why we're discussing this
14:47 because there are so many people
14:50 who... when we begin to talk about reaching out to the Jews,
14:54 somehow have the feeling
14:56 that the Jews have had the unpardonable sin...
15:00 that there is no reaching of the Jewish people
15:03 with the Messiah...
15:05 and how wrong that is
15:07 and as we look at Scripture, we find it's wrong
15:10 and we look at the different ways, of course,
15:13 for reaching Jewish people.
15:15 As the Apostle Paul said,
15:17 "I've become all things to all people
15:19 that I might reach some... "
15:21 and everyone is not reached in this way,
15:25 you were not reached by a Jewish Adventist congregation,
15:28 neither were you,
15:30 you were not either...
15:32 and as I look at those like Doug Batchelor,
15:36 we looked at Clifford Goldstein, Mark Kellner, Steve Wohlberg...
15:42 these were not and there are so many others
15:45 there are hundreds of others
15:47 that are a very important part of preaching the gospel today,
15:53 we know that there are some individuals
15:56 who will never accept Christ,
15:58 there are some individuals who are non-Jewish,
16:02 who will never accept Christ,
16:04 but we go for the honest heart,
16:06 we go for the one that the Holy Spirit is speaking to...
16:10 different ways... you talk about the individual way
16:13 that has worked so well
16:15 particularly with the Jewish people
16:16 but 181 crusades... evangelistic meetings...
16:22 that Ralph has held...
16:24 100s and 1,000s of people have been baptized in those meetings,
16:29 so that works too... for some people
16:31 and even some of these guys came in... in Evangelistic...
16:37 Mark Kellner and some of these fellows
16:39 that came in as a result...
16:41 sometimes from watching television
16:44 so, there are different ways to reach...
16:46 we would, as Paul...
16:48 "become all things to all people... "
16:51 you're a Pastor of a church
16:53 which I believe is very Jewish friendly...
16:56 I don't have any question about that
16:59 because they're friendly to me
17:01 and this is a friendly congregation.
17:06 They've opened their arms to us
17:08 and even the Head Deacon here has been friendly to us
17:12 and... but when you walk in you see this cross on the wall,
17:17 so you're not hiding the fact
17:18 that this is a Christian Church that is friendly
17:23 to Jewish individuals
17:25 so, I'm excited about our reaching out.
17:29 You know, we talked about 3ABN...
17:31 I was in Israel again recently, we're going back again next year
17:35 we will have our 30th Anniversary Kick-off...
17:39 the beginning of our 30th Anniversary...
17:40 in Jerusalem next year that is... if God tarries...
17:45 and if He allows that plan to go through...
17:48 we're planning to be there... to have a massive service...
17:52 some beautiful music... a lot of the things like that
17:56 to begin the 30th year of 3ABN.
17:59 In fact, we're planning 30 different events
18:02 in that 30th year...
18:04 one of which will be our coverage of General Conference
18:07 which will be in San Antonio, Texas.
18:11 So, that 30th year, we're just praying that God will bless it
18:16 because we want to reach more people than ever before,
18:19 but when we were just there,
18:21 they shared with us that five wonderful Jewish people
18:27 recently walked through the door...
18:30 they've been watching 3ABN and...
18:33 they had no family opposition
18:35 because their family didn't know they were watching 3ABN...
18:38 until... when they walked into the church,
18:42 there... across the street from the YMCA,
18:45 and a catty-corner from the King David Hotel
18:49 which is where the location is, beautiful location
18:52 when they walked in there,
18:54 they walked in... believing this message
18:56 because they had studied it in their homes
18:58 and we want to do more and more to reach those people,
19:02 we're praying... and we ask the people to pray with us
19:06 that we can be on cable in all of Israel...
19:09 we've already started working on that...
19:12 we ask for your prayers because we believe
19:15 that this can reach a lot of people.
19:18 We won't believe this is going to reach everybody,
19:20 we don't believe it's a one-thing thing...
19:23 we believe they're doing all of these things
19:26 as Apostle Paul said, "Let... some will be saved...
19:30 regardless of what we're doing. "
19:32 Jim, can I give some examples
19:36 of what makes an unfriendly church?
19:37 I know it's good to stay positive
19:38 and be a friendly church to all people...
19:41 but, I think, one of the most common things
19:43 we've been talking about is
19:45 just the kind of thinking that will deduce,
19:46 "Jews rejected Jesus... "
19:48 and that thing comes out...
19:49 because we talk about the Jews every week
19:50 or we're reading the Bible or preaching the Bible
19:52 teaching a class... so it kind of comes out in how we talk
19:55 and so it comes out negatively.
19:56 That's the common... I think the most common
19:58 but then there are some extremes
20:00 one thing our Denomination doesn't do
20:03 but there are some Denominations that are boycotting Israel...
20:05 they're kind of trying to make a political statement
20:08 well, that's not going to win friends...
20:10 among the Jewish people and... and then...
20:12 some of the worst stuff I've heard...
20:14 one thing I was at... for example...
20:16 I was at... Alex was there too at a Ministers' Meeting
20:20 and had a guest Speaker,
20:21 this guy was a retired President of a University,
20:25 and in his talk he said,
20:27 "Peter was a Palestinian... "
20:29 and I... it just caught my...
20:32 and I thought, "Did I... did I hear that?"
20:33 And then he said it again the second time
20:35 and I looked around
20:37 and no one else seemed to even flinch...
20:38 and I was shocked...
20:40 and so, during the break, I went up to him
20:42 and I said, "Well, Peter wasn't a Palestinian"
20:44 he said, "Well, what was he?" I said, "He was Jewish. "
20:47 And he said... "Well, can I call...
20:49 can I say that he was Galilean?"
20:51 I said, "Well, yes, he was Galilean also but he was Jewish"
20:55 you know, and... so he said,
20:56 "Yeah, but wasn't he Galilean?
20:58 Can I just say, 'he's Galilean?'"
20:59 He refused to say that he was Jewish
21:01 and another gentleman there said,
21:03 "There's a Bible that has commentaries... "
21:06 kind of... commentary on the bottom
21:07 and it said that Paul traveled through Palestine
21:11 now, before that was published,
21:12 I saw that, I had a copy of it, a sample copy...
21:15 and so I wrote to them, I wrote to the Editors...
21:17 and I said, "Well, it wasn't called 'Palestine' then...
21:19 Paul never heard that term...
21:21 that wasn't until a 100 years later
21:23 and it was used for anti-Semitic reasons,
21:25 and it's not called that now
21:26 and hasn't been called that for a long time... "
21:29 and they still refused... they still put it in there
21:32 that Paul traveled...
21:33 that would be like saying, that Daniel was taken to...
21:36 to Greece... because Babylon was eventually called: Greece.
21:40 Jim: Iraq... right...
21:41 Pastor: Or even really... to Kurdistan...
21:44 yeah... that's really what it would be saying
21:46 to an area that's not even called by that name anymore.
21:49 Jim: Or Iraq... he was taken to Iraq.
21:51 Pastor: Iraq is an actual country...
21:52 Palestine is not... maybe someday it will be...
21:55 so people are like, saying, "He was taken to Kurdistan"
21:57 you see...
21:58 and then the refusal to not back off of that...
22:01 again, some... most of it that I experienced or seen...
22:05 is not purposeful...
22:07 is not intentionally anti-Semitic...
22:09 it's not of the heart...
22:10 but it... because again... just the... the...
22:11 the thinking... the way we've been taught
22:13 that's the kind of "Replacement Theology... "
22:14 There could not have been anyone more Jewish than Peter...
22:16 He wouldn't even...
22:17 he said, "I have never eaten anything unclean... "
22:21 he was so careful about being Jewish
22:24 that even when the Lord gave him a dream
22:26 and told him, "Kill and eat... "
22:28 He said, "No... I won't do it. "
22:30 Pastor: Right... right...
22:31 Jim: And so, that... that is...
22:33 I'm sorry... but that's ignorance...
22:36 it's just not... I don't think its prejudice...
22:38 but it's just plain out old ignorance.
22:40 I don't care if he's the President of 20 Universities...
22:43 that is not an intelligent statement.
22:46 Now, I'll get some mail over that,
22:48 I hope I'll hear from him.
22:49 Jim, to continue what Jeff was talking about
22:54 the example of Jewish unfriendliness...
22:56 I would say that the outward denial of the national home
23:02 for Jewish people is the most unfriendly thing
23:07 someone can imagine...
23:10 I'm not going to go into extreme...
23:12 I haven't heard it yet in... spoken in America...
23:15 although in some other countries
23:18 I heard the idea that the holocaust
23:22 was the result of Jews rejecting Jesus
23:26 and the holocaust was God's punishment to the Jews...
23:29 that's the worst thing you can imagine
23:32 and this is such a gross misrepresentation of God
23:38 but unfortunately...
23:39 and the third example I will give is...
23:43 and that happens in that spread is...
23:46 the denial of the existence of descendants of Abraham...
23:52 in other words,
23:53 the idea that the Jews who are in Israel today
23:58 cannot be traced back to the Jews who lived in Israel
24:02 2,000... 3,000 years ago
24:05 it's just a mixture of people
24:08 who somehow embraced Jewish religion.
24:12 Such an idea is absolutely... from historical perspective...
24:18 it is absolutely ridiculous because in the environment
24:22 when Judaism was hated and persecuted for so many centuries
24:27 for someone... non-Jew to become willfully a Jew
24:34 it meant a suicide...
24:37 and we do know a number of people... not Jewish
24:41 accepting Judaism, they were actually executed
24:45 over the centuries... you know...
24:47 marriage to a Jewish woman is punishable by death... anyway.
24:52 Well, we could tell these... these horror stories forever
24:57 but let's talk about winning people
24:59 and get away from that because, you know,
25:02 sometimes, people will tell Adventist horror stories
25:05 and horror stories are horror stories... so...
25:10 we do want to move on into reaching people.
25:12 I wanted to bring, I think, an important perspective
25:15 for us to think about also and this is...
25:17 for maybe any Jewish people that may be listening...
25:23 you know, it's very common
25:24 that when we begin to dialogue and talk about Jewish Ministries
25:29 or Jewish-friendly ministry,
25:32 the other side... and I'm going to talk about
25:35 a term that's used within Judaism that's anti-missionaries
25:39 those that are trying to teach the Jewish people
25:41 that everything that the Christians are saying
25:44 is false... is wrong...
25:45 is not a correct interpretation of the Bible
25:47 and believe me, there are as many zealots
25:49 on that side of the camp as there are
25:52 those that are trying to preach the good news
25:54 to the Jews and the Jews that are trying to understand
25:58 get caught in the middle
25:59 but here is the point that I want to make
26:01 is that, when we approach this...
26:03 that... "Oh, we're just looking to win a soul... "
26:06 it's just another notch on our belt...
26:09 all it does is... turn the Jews away
26:11 from any work that we could possibly do.
26:14 This is the reason why I feel so strongly that
26:17 a one-on-one friendship... "I get to know you...
26:21 I invest myself in you...
26:23 I'll share what God has done for me...
26:26 I provoke you to jealousy to ask...
26:29 not because I'm trying to win you
26:32 so that I can go back and put a number as a statistic...
26:35 'you're just one more that we got... '"
26:37 because that's exactly what the anti-missionaries will say
26:41 and they will look at congregations like,
26:43 where Jeff is ministering
26:45 and the Jewish-friendly congregations
26:47 all around North America and the world
26:49 and they will say,
26:50 "Look, the only reason they do that
26:51 is... it's like bait and switch... "
26:53 we're just trying to create Jewish trappings
26:56 to get the poor Jews that don't know any better
26:59 to come in through the door
27:01 and then we just fill them full of the wrong ideas
27:04 and we have to be very careful
27:05 just as much as in our great desire
27:09 to want to bring the message
27:11 when we present it in a wrong way
27:13 when we even come together in discussions like this
27:16 and we talk about winning Jews for Jesus,
27:19 okay, we are setting ourselves up
27:22 and giving ammunition to those that would say,
27:24 "These people aren't even genuine... "
27:26 What you're saying is absolutely true... and it is...
27:30 and one of the things that we must always remember
27:35 again, we have a friendly, loving, warm group...
27:40 that's number one...
27:42 number two...
27:43 allow the Holy Spirit to do the drawing...
27:46 allow the Holy Spirit and to pray
27:48 that the Holy Spirit will bring to us... the honest at heart.
27:52 People begin to hunger...
27:54 they begin to wonder what's... what's happening...
27:57 they need a place to go...
27:58 if there is no place for them to go...
28:01 then they starve... you might say...
28:04 but they begin to hunger.
28:06 There was a hunger in you
28:08 when you opened up the book of Matthew
28:11 and you read what you read...
28:13 there was a hunger in you
28:15 when you walked into that place where your mom was
28:19 and where she'd found love and acceptance
28:21 and just a community...
28:24 and you went there and the first thing you said was
28:27 "Why should we accept Jesus as the Messiah?"
28:31 Yeah, I think those were your first words...
28:33 Right...
28:34 In that worship...
28:35 and it wasn't long before you had accepted Him
28:38 but why?
28:40 Because also you'd seen the love to your mom
28:43 and the love and the warmth that was there.
28:47 It's becomes a natural... it's a natural... the Messiah...
28:50 it was Biblical Judaism
28:52 as opposed to Rabbinical Judaism
28:54 and that's what we're offering...
28:55 that's the difference that we're offering.
28:57 That's correct.
28:58 And you know what Alex mentioned...
29:01 there is a segment that we haven't talked about...
29:04 you find that there are Jews who are believers already.
29:11 They don't feel comfortable in synagogues
29:16 where they are against the Messiah,
29:20 some of them... with anti missionaries and what they say
29:24 and so on...
29:26 they're not comfortable in churches
29:29 for reasons that we've already said.
29:32 The Jewish Adventist congregation
29:35 is a solace... a place of rest
29:38 and when they can come... and so... it is a service
29:42 to those Jews who are believers...
29:46 many of them that are "closet believers"
29:51 because of issues in their own cultures
29:55 and also, they don't feel comfortable in a church.
29:59 There is a lot of pressure, in fact,
30:03 I'd like everyone that's listening or watching 3ABN
30:08 to pray for Mark... Sasha and I got a call today
30:14 three years ago, he has accepted his Jewish Messiah,
30:19 I won't go into the details
30:23 but because he has accepted the Jewish Messiah,
30:30 he is now... he has lost his job
30:34 and is being ostracized
30:35 by the very community he's a part of
30:39 and so, those kinds of people need a place to go
30:48 so that's additional reason for Jewish Adventist congregations
30:53 where they can go... yes it is a personal thing
30:56 but it also is corporate in the sense...
30:58 they can go... not have to leave their Jewishness
31:02 because we don't ask a person,
31:05 "You can't be Hispanic or you can't be German
31:09 or Russian to be a Christian... "
31:11 why should we say,
31:12 they can't be a Jew and be a Christian?
31:16 I think that... piggybacking on what you say,
31:18 I think that our viewing audience needs to understand
31:22 a really important thing and that is
31:23 that with Judaism... we can't just see it as a religion
31:27 because it is... it is a culture...
31:30 because there are many Jews... as Jeff even said in his talk
31:35 that aren't religious...
31:36 that have no connection with religion...
31:39 but if you ask them what they are,
31:41 they would say, "I'm Jewish"
31:43 from a cultural context
31:44 and along with that cultural context
31:47 comes all of the anti-Christian baggage
31:50 whether they're religious or not,
31:52 you can't just assume that because someone's Jewish
31:55 they know the Old Testament inside and out...
31:57 they may know nothing about the Bible
32:00 but there's something in them that says,
32:02 "It is us against them... I am a Jew... they're Gentiles,
32:07 there are Christians
32:08 and it's always been that way and it always will be that way"
32:12 and look, that leads me to one other really important thing
32:15 and that is this idea when we use...
32:17 the idea of converting, okay,
32:21 because that's like a death knell to the Jew
32:24 and I've run into that so many times
32:26 that they will say to me, "Listen, what you're...
32:28 what you're preaching...
32:29 in fact, there are some Jews that aren't believers
32:33 that come to Plantation...
32:34 I can't single them out...
32:36 they talk to me on a regular basis...
32:38 they say to me, "You know I'm Jewish
32:40 but I'm not a Christian"
32:42 and I've asked that question and the immediate response is,
32:47 "I can't convert...
32:49 I can't convert because I am what I am... "
32:52 and my first response to them is,
32:54 "Nobody is asking you to convert. "
32:56 Listen, I have to tell you a story,
32:58 when I first became an Adventist,
33:00 a dear sister... Jamaican sister came up to me and said,
33:04 "So, when did you stop being Jewish
33:07 and become a Seventh-day Adventist?"
33:09 And the only thing... in the moment that I could say is,
33:13 "Well, probably around the same time
33:15 you stopped becoming a Jamaican
33:16 and became a Seventh-day Adventist. "
33:18 And I wasn't being rude but... but it was the same thing.
33:22 Good answer.
33:23 So when we understand the cultural aspect of it,
33:27 we remove the religious component
33:30 and we say, "Okay, we're dealing with culture"
33:33 now all of a sudden this idea...
33:35 of creating a congregation
33:37 that is in the correct cultural context,
33:39 no longer is a stumbling block
33:41 because we do it all the time.
33:43 It's so hard for us... Western Christians...
33:46 because the sacrifice is much greater...
33:49 because we tend to segment our...
33:51 "I go to church on Sabbath or Sunday... "
33:54 that's one aspect...
33:55 then I got to work... I love my wife
33:57 and I love my car and I love my lawn mower,
33:58 and I love my church... and I love... "
34:00 and it's all very neat and segmented but... but...
34:03 as I understand, in the Jewish mindset,
34:06 the bond is so much tighter...
34:08 the "we" is so much tighter,
34:11 you don't have this segment
34:13 and so whether you are a religious Jew
34:15 or a non-religious Jew, you are a Jew...
34:17 and that's... you can't segment or separate that...
34:20 it's all part of one same package.
34:22 Absolutely.
34:23 Jim was asking about
34:25 "What do we do and what do we begin?"
34:28 And I believe that any witness to a Jewish person
34:33 needs to begin with a very simple principle,
34:36 "God is love... "
34:38 and in fact, I've learned that myself...
34:42 in my own story...
34:44 I was... when I was meeting Christians,
34:47 I didn't like the name, "Jesus"
34:50 I didn't like the name, "Christ"
34:53 and the...
34:56 one day, I walked into the room of my friend at the dormitory
35:02 and there was an Elder of the Church
35:05 and I remember... and I overheard how this...
35:08 my fellow classmate at the University... said to the Elder,
35:14 "Don't speak 'Jesus' speak about 'God. '"
35:18 What often we Christians don't understand...
35:22 they have their own assumption and Alex already mentioned it
35:27 saying that, "Oh, Jews know the Old Testament
35:30 they just need to know the Christ...
35:32 let's show them all the prophecies
35:35 and how dare don't they see it?"
35:37 This is a big mistake...
35:40 if we look at the Jewish person
35:45 as someone who needs to see God's love,
35:48 is a Jewish person will see in the Christian...
35:52 the love of God,
35:54 he or she will discover Jesus through the Holy Spirit
36:00 but the love of God...
36:01 the personal relationship with God...
36:04 the example... the example of life with God,
36:08 that's what needs to be presented.
36:11 All right. Yeah.
36:13 Very powerful.
36:14 You know something Gentlemen too...
36:16 Sasha hit a great point
36:18 but I want to expound that and just say,
36:20 "Look, that idea of preaching the love of God...
36:24 it's not just for the Jews... " right,
36:27 I mean, this is what all people in the world are looking for...
36:30 in this broken world...
36:32 and I think Jim... C.A...
36:34 the only thing that we're really trying to bring out
36:37 in the context of Jewish ministry
36:39 is, look... the Jews are people,
36:41 no different than any other people...
36:44 they need Jesus... they need God...
36:45 they need to know the love of God...
36:47 and the message of the gospel
36:49 but we need to understand
36:51 how to remove the stumbling blocks
36:53 that history has placed.
36:54 We don't have to keep revisiting the first century
36:57 and the atrocities...
36:59 you know, you want to learn history,
37:00 go to Wikipedia or whatever and you could find it there...
37:04 it's very plain but it's being sensitive enough
37:08 to say, "Okay, I have neighbors
37:11 and I want to be able to speak to them
37:14 and I want to be able to speak in a way
37:16 that I'm not going to be an offense to them... "
37:18 okay, I'm not going to go walking over
37:21 with a bottle of beer in my hand
37:23 and say, "Look at what a good Christian I am... "
37:24 and I'm not going to go over there
37:26 and start singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers... "
37:29 to a Jew... and expect them to join in the chorus,
37:31 so it's just common sense.
37:34 You know, we're talking about the horror stories
37:37 and I'm going to tell you one real quick.
37:39 When I was a kid,
37:42 we would go out on Sabbath morning handing out literature
37:45 because we had church on Sabbath afternoon
37:48 and so, I went up to a door and left a pamphlet...
37:52 I walked out of the... from the house...
37:56 and started walking...
37:57 a young boy came out... about my age
37:59 I don't know where he got the rocks...
38:02 he started throwing rocks at me
38:03 and he started calling me things and suddenly I realized
38:08 and I said, "Look, we love the same God,
38:11 I even go to church on the same day... "
38:13 he was Jewish...
38:15 and he never hit me with the rock
38:19 but it helped me realize
38:22 that there are two sides to that story that has taken place
38:28 horrors on both sides
38:30 and we need again to show the love of God.
38:36 I wanted to be friends with that kid,
38:38 I wanted to be friends with him so badly
38:41 but it was at that time no way...
38:44 now... one of my best friends in school was Larry Schoombrum,
38:47 an Orthodox Jew
38:49 and Mike Corey who also was Jewish,
38:53 but they were... these were individuals
38:56 that were in my classroom
38:58 and we became friends in that classroom
39:00 and had that relationship together...
39:03 the kid... when I put the pamphlet...
39:05 that evidently wasn't the approach at that particular home
39:10 because I never... I never became friends...
39:14 he didn't live in my neighborhood...
39:16 I was in a different neighborhood.
39:17 You know, talking about the flip side...
39:21 the good stories, though, and I could...
39:24 we don't have time for the longer version
39:28 but let me give you two very short things...
39:30 there was a lady in Chicago whose neighbor was Jewish...
39:39 she had no background but she loved and really...
39:43 the Jewish neighbor knew it
39:46 and to make a long story short...
39:49 even though she said and did many things
39:53 that upset... could upset a Jewish person,
39:57 Hannah... the Jewish lady...
40:01 saw the love and overlooked
40:05 all of the things
40:08 knowing that she didn't mean those things
40:11 and Hannah was baptized.
40:13 Another quick...
40:15 this... we don't have the end of the story yet...
40:18 I was in Hendersonville preaching about...
40:22 much of that... what I will be doing on Sabbath afternoon,
40:27 a young lady came up... she's a caretaker...
40:31 for an older Jewish gentleman who has a summer home there,
40:37 and... in that area...
40:41 and she was sharing... she had no idea...
40:45 she was asking me... when I mentioned about "Jewish"
40:48 she came up and she says,
40:49 "I'm working with this Jewish man...
40:52 I have... for two years, I know nothing about them... "
40:56 and she mentioned how she had done so many things...
40:59 and she told me some of the things... and I thought,
41:03 "Oh my! that's not the way to really win Jews...
41:06 or work with Jews... "
41:07 but that love so overwhelmed him...
41:10 that care... and what she did...
41:13 way beyond what was required of someone... a caretaker...
41:18 that this Jewish man who was very prominent
41:24 in Jewish circles...
41:25 told his family and others... when they gathered...
41:30 for like... a meal...
41:31 "Let her pray, and if she says 'Jesus'
41:35 that's her privilege, you don't bother her,
41:39 I know she loves God
41:43 and she loves us
41:46 and we don't need any friction... "
41:49 and... you know,
41:50 but that love was so overwhelming
41:54 and I want to share with everyone...
41:57 the number one thing that you can have
42:00 is care and love for them,
42:04 it will cover a multitude of sins, so to speak,
42:08 and while we should do the best we can,
42:12 when we are reaching out personally to those people
42:16 and they see the genuineness and love,
42:19 they will overlook those things
42:21 so, don't hesitate to show your love and acceptance
42:26 and relate to those people
42:27 even if you don't know exactly how.
42:32 But we can also know how
42:33 which would make it even that much better...
42:34 we start with love... and then the appropriate literature
42:38 and fortunately we've been producing...
42:40 we have a training school and then we have some literature
42:44 that's more appropriate
42:45 than some of the other literature...
42:47 just like the setting...
42:48 literature that is also set to...
42:50 to bring them the next steps, yes, start with love...
42:53 and so, some of the things we have...
42:55 there is a magazine now... an online magazine...
42:58 shalomadventure. com
43:00 which is geared for that... has articles...
43:02 every day new articles... that... lots of different topics
43:06 that are Jewish friendly
43:08 that still present the gospel... still present the love of God...
43:11 in a context that... presented in a loving way...
43:15 and a balanced way...
43:16 Jeff, why don't you mention some of the little early booklets...
43:21 There's another booklet... "Steps to Shalom"
43:24 which starts with the first chapter... "God is love"
43:27 and it goes through how to accept
43:30 or understand and know and receive the Messiah...
43:34 so steps to the Messiah...
43:36 so, "Steps to Shalom" it's called...
43:38 another book...
43:40 "Jewish Heritage Scripture Studies"
43:42 it covers a good portion of the Bible
43:45 including prophecy...
43:47 it gets into a whole bunch of different topics
43:49 as well as Jewish traditions and how the Jewish traditions...
43:52 the spiritual meaning behind them
43:54 and how they relate to us
43:56 as well as a whole bunch of testimonies...
43:57 there are 20... 30... or so testimonies
44:00 some of the people you mentioned and many others
44:02 Al Rhinock and Richard Oliver
44:05 and Barbara... my wife... and many others
44:08 testimonies in there so we got Bible Studies...
44:10 and testimonies and...
44:12 the Jewish Heritage Scripture Studies
44:14 all together in a book like that...
44:17 and so... producing different things...
44:19 They can get the "Steps to Shalom"
44:21 at the local Adventist Book Center.
44:24 As well as the Jewish Heritage Scripture Studies...
44:25 Yes, those are just some of the things...
44:29 there's another little book if you can run across...
44:32 "Gospel Made Kosher" that... is kind of a...
44:35 you know... a play on words there
44:39 but it really does a good job that...
44:44 they basically made Jewish-friendly...
44:49 the Gospel in a nutshell... and they...
44:54 they put it together and...
44:59 from a Jewish perspective and... that's another...
45:04 you find that little booklet...
45:05 the only way I've been able to get that...
45:09 Pastor: I've got a bunch of them.
45:10 You got... well... that's another thing...
45:13 check with Jeff... he has a lot of sources
45:16 on his website...
45:17 There's the shalomadventure. com
45:19 and then there's also: jewishheritage. net
45:21 I think one of the things that we're seeing, Gentlemen, is that
45:24 this is not McDonald's... this is not fast food...
45:27 that... that... if you're going to minister
45:30 to this particular constituency,
45:32 you're going to have love...
45:33 that love is going to have to reveal itself in patience
45:36 and in relationship...
45:37 the idea that you can shake your finger or preach someone in...
45:40 or attack someone in...
45:42 as we say, "Dog someone... "
45:44 that's not going to fly,
45:45 there's going to have to be a relational love...
45:46 and what we say for "Jewish Evangelism"
45:49 would go for almost any people-group
45:52 that is a little different...
45:53 if you have Arab neighbors or Middle Eastern neighbors
45:58 or East Indian neighbors...
46:00 you're going to have to be patient and show love,
46:03 now, I've had Jewish people in my orbit all my life.
46:06 My eye doctor was Jewish...
46:07 my General Practitioner is Jewish,
46:10 in fact, and I get to tell my little story...
46:12 my eye doctor could be your twin...
46:14 Michael J. Lieberman for 25 years...
46:16 I was sitting in his office one day...
46:18 dilated... couldn't see...
46:19 and I'm singing this... this... this song...
46:22 because I've always had Jewish friends...
46:24 Eloh isha... eloh isha sho may Ephraim...
46:29 eloh ehoh eloh isha...
46:31 next to me is... is...
46:32 is a fellow who's also got a patch on the eye...
46:35 he's blind because we're both dilated...
46:37 he happened to be a General Practitioner...
46:39 and he said, "Where did you learn that song?"
46:41 And I don't really remember where I picked it up...
46:43 I just had it...
46:44 so, he became my... my... my... my doctor
46:47 and was my doctor until... until he passed...
46:50 I would go to the synagogue on Friday nights with him...
46:53 sometimes he'd come to my church to hear me preach
46:55 and after... maybe a year or so of this...
46:57 I said, "You know, you're thinking about coming over?"
46:59 he said, "Are you kidding? I'm Jewish...
47:01 I'm your friend and I appreciate your preaching... "
47:05 which he said... "but I'm Jewish... "
47:07 and so, up until he passed, we... we...
47:09 I went to his church... he came to mine...
47:11 but he had no intention of... of... of...
47:14 changing his... his faith base.
47:17 Pastor: But his mind, C.A. was converting.
47:19 Yes... yeah...
47:21 Pastor: That's... that's the thing.
47:22 Yeah, yeah, and I realized that...
47:23 that kind of language has to be really expunged...
47:26 we've got to jettison that...
47:28 One of the important things for the Jews
47:30 and again, I'm not going to go into the history
47:32 but... is to make sure in the Jewish-friendly church
47:37 when we talk... is to make sure that
47:39 Jewish people don't change their identity...
47:44 because identity is one of the important things
47:48 that Jew has...
47:50 because if a Jew is no longer a Jew... who is he?
47:55 You know... that's... that's... that's what Alex was mentioning
47:59 and talking about resources...
48:01 Jeff talked about the Shalom Adventure...
48:04 I should probably mention the Shalom Learning Center
48:08 because, no matter how much time we spend here on television,
48:13 there's lots of things to learn about Jewish ministry
48:17 and Shalom Learning Center
48:19 is training leaders of the Jewish Ministry
48:23 but not only...
48:24 if you have friends... Jews or non-Jews...
48:28 Shalom Learning Center is opening the public classes
48:32 where people could take different courses
48:35 on different subjects... History... Bible... Torah...
48:39 Language...
48:41 and they could benefit from that
48:44 so, that's another very valuable resource that...
48:48 As well as learning how to become
48:49 a leader of a congregation.
48:50 Exactly... exactly... we have now the Florida Campus,
48:55 we mentioned... there are two campuses...
48:57 the Florida Campus continues with the leadership track
49:01 and the Northwestern Campus will be more focused on
49:06 public education and...
49:10 You know, C.A. if you would have approached
49:15 that man...
49:18 if we can get the seeds in our church members...
49:21 and our Pastors... can get the concept
49:25 not of conversion
49:27 but of a Jew accepting the Jewish Messiah...
49:34 and I can't say that enough... if we can get that concept
49:39 of helping the Jew accept the Jewish Messiah...
49:43 that takes away all of these walls
49:46 and see... it's a Jewish Messiah...
49:49 and they... and when they accept the Jewish Messiah,
49:53 they're doing what we do when we accept Jesus as our Savior
49:58 and so on... and yet... they're still Jewish...
50:01 they realize if they are accepting the Jewish Messiah,
50:04 they're still Jewish
50:06 who have accepted their Jewish Messiah...
50:08 if we can get that across,
50:11 that will make our churches more Jewish friendly
50:17 than most things we can do.
50:19 But I can't emphasize more
50:21 that it's not what we say to them...
50:24 okay...
50:25 it's how we live Jesus or Yeshua in front of them
50:29 like my testimony... the people that heard that last night,
50:33 I didn't come because somebody preached the gospel...
50:36 I came and opened my heart as a Jew...
50:39 to the Jewish Messiah...
50:41 because somebody was living the gospel
50:43 in front of me
50:44 and as the Scripture said, "I was provoked to jealousy... "
50:47 to say, "I want to know why that man is that way
50:51 because I've never seen that before... "
50:55 so, when we talk to our congregations
50:58 and we share and people ask,
50:59 "Well, how do I reach my Jewish friend?"
51:02 I don't say, "Go get a book... "
51:03 you know... you've already got the Book...
51:05 just start living it, okay
51:08 and trust me...
51:10 those that the Holy Spirit is moving on
51:13 when we present Jesus in the way we're supposed to...
51:15 they're going to come...
51:17 Yeah, you know, there is a Jewish Proverb,
51:18 it says, "We get too soon old and too late smart... "
51:22 and I realize that I thought I had enough equity with him
51:25 but I could stop becoming his friend
51:27 and try to become his "evangelist"
51:29 and he cut me off at the knees
51:31 and he let me... "Hmmm... hmmm... no that's not
51:33 we're always going to be friends
51:35 but you're not going to evangelize me
51:38 into the church... that's not going to happen"
51:40 I think we can never forget that...
51:42 even when you build up equity in a relationship
51:44 if the love Christ flowing always...
51:46 you can never take off your "friendship robe"
51:48 and put on your "Evangelist gown"
51:50 because it's just not going to fly.
51:51 It's a long-term commitment to work with Jewish people.
51:57 It's not a quick fix... it's not fast food...
52:01 it's not one of those things,
52:03 occasionally there might be someone...
52:05 accepts rather quickly...
52:06 but that's the exception,
52:08 we need to look at it as a long-term investment
52:12 not a... you know...
52:14 when we do that,
52:16 as that investment goes on and on
52:19 by a lot of people in the church,
52:21 then the results will start coming fairly rapidly
52:25 but it's a result of many years of work
52:27 not an investment of love and... and caring... and living
52:33 that actually provokes that to the place
52:38 that we see the result.
52:39 You know, I just had a thought when you were talking,
52:41 I think that in a lot of ways,
52:43 the Church per se has become spoiled
52:46 when it comes to evangelism and the results of evangelism...
52:50 and what it's done is... we have a... and we all know it
52:54 many, many Christians just look to the evangelist
52:57 that they're the ones going to come in with the big message
53:00 and people are going to accept Jesus and...
53:02 and cultures where they've heard Jesus their whole lives,
53:05 and they just haven't turned to it...
53:07 it's a quick thing
53:08 but when you're talking about a culture
53:10 that has been polarized by the word "Jesus" and turned away
53:13 now, all of a sudden, we have to do the right things
53:17 over and over and over...
53:19 and maybe the greatest thing that can happen
53:22 to the body of Christ
53:23 is to start understanding
53:25 that God has called us to be Christians...
53:29 to be "Jesus... " so that He can reach the Jewish people
53:32 because in turn... as we're doing that...
53:35 we're really becoming what we're supposed to be...
53:37 we're not looking to other people
53:39 to win souls and say, "Oh, we put it into play...
53:41 and someone won souls... look at what we're doing"
53:44 no, no, no, no, we're having to live the gospel
53:46 every moment of every day because, listen, make no mistake
53:50 your Jewish friends and neighbors or family...
53:54 as the case may be...
53:56 they're watching you...
53:57 if they know, you profess Jesus, they're watching you...
54:01 because I do believe that they want to see the truth
54:06 amen...
54:07 Sasha: We cannot over...
54:09 I'm sorry Sasha, but I wanted to just bring Jim in here
54:11 because you were talking about
54:13 something that Jeff had alluded to that
54:15 even though this is a daunting task,
54:17 that the Spirit of Prophecy... the Bible lets us know
54:21 that this work is going to be successful...
54:23 that there is going to be a great harvest
54:25 and you were just talking about that.
54:27 That's right... and there's going to be a breakthrough...
54:29 I believe... in... on many fronts...
54:30 I think through the Media
54:32 we're going to see a majestic breakthrough
54:35 and on a personal basis,
54:37 I think that we're going to see these...
54:39 like the Shalom Learning Center and like... what you're doing
54:44 with the congregations there at Saint Petersburg...
54:48 and New Port Richey...
54:49 these are going to...
54:50 are just going to grow leaps and bounds
54:53 but we're going to see a mighty movement
54:56 among these people
54:58 and go ahead Ralph
55:00 and then I've got an announcement I want to make.
55:02 Why don't you read this paragraph...
55:04 Why don't you read it to us.
55:05 Acts of the Apostles...
55:07 Microphone...
55:09 Acts of the Apostles... 381... first paragraph,
55:13 "And the closing proclamation of the gospel...
55:17 when special work
55:18 is to be done for classes of people
55:22 hitherto neglected...
55:24 God expects His messengers to take particular interest
55:30 in the Jewish people
55:31 whom they find in all parts of the earth
55:35 as the Old Testament Scriptures are blended with the new
55:39 and the explanation of Jehovah's eternal purpose,
55:43 this will be to many of Jews as the dawn of a new creation...
55:51 the resurrection of the soul
55:53 as they see Christ of the gospel dispensation
55:58 portrayed in the pages of the Old Testament
56:02 and perceive how clearly the New Testament explains the Old,
56:07 their slumbering facilities will be aroused. "
56:11 All right, thank you very much Ralph... and for reading that...
56:14 we're down to the last minute,
56:16 what a tremendous time we've had together...
56:19 and when we began this, we began talking about...
56:23 also the move that is all news to our people
56:27 in the Media Center...
56:29 Voice of Prophecy to Loveland, Colorado,
56:31 and I got a message here asking,
56:33 "Where are the others going?"
56:35 Well, I got the information here...
56:37 "La Voz" is moving to Riverside,
56:40 "Faith for Today" to Riverside, Loma Linda area,
56:43 "Jesus 101" to Riverside...
56:46 "VOP" of course, to Loveland...
56:49 and "It is Written"
56:53 not ready to be announced...
56:55 "Breath of Life" is going to Huntsville, Alabama...
56:59 Pastor: It's already there.
57:00 Jim: And... yes... so...
57:02 Pastor: 3ABN coming to Florida?
57:04 Jim: I don't know... we'll see...
57:05 well, listen, I want to thank each one of you
57:09 for being with us
57:10 and I want to thank each one of you
57:12 for staying with us tonight,
57:13 we'll be back tomorrow night at 7:00 p. m. Central time
57:18 for another...
57:20 and tomorrow night... Sasha will be speaking...
57:22 until then, remember to keep on...
57:25 keeping on with Jesus Christ
57:27 our Lord, our God and our Savior.
57:30 God bless you.


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