Participants: Ron Giannoni (Host), Lucy Lovi
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Program Code: NSN000148A
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01:12 Hi friends and welcome to another edition of NEWSTART Now.
01:17 I'm your host, Ron Gianonni. In our studio with me I have
01:23 the privilege of introducing to you Lucy Lovey from New York.
01:28 Well actually she's from San Diego via New York. Let's take
01:33 a look at when she first arrived
01:36 I had quadruple bypass and I had a hip replacement in my right
01:45 hip and then the year after I had my left hip replaced. I've
01:53 had two back surgeries, lower back, for spinal stenosis. Then
02:02 I had some vertebrae that had to be fixed. There's got to be some
02:10 place. I'm so sick of doctors. I'm so sick of pills. I'm so
02:14 sick of surgery and I keep getting worse. I said there's
02:18 got to be... I said they have fat farms, they have this, they
02:21 have that. They have all kinds of programs. Isn't there
02:24 something for people that can go and get a real wellness place.
02:31 I came here because my health has been deteriorating for the
02:36 past, actually for about the past 20 years, but it's gotten
02:44 much worse over the past five, six years. And I've had numerous
02:51 surgeries and nothing has seemed to help me. And I've gained an
02:58 awful lot of weight and that has been a real detriment. I want to
03:04 be able to have normal blood pressure because my blood
03:09 pressure has been very high and even with medication it's always
03:16 too high and has caused me to have kidney problems. I also
03:22 would like to lose as much weight as I can while I'm here
03:28 and then continue once I go home. And I would like to have
03:35 energy and be able to walk and not be all out of breath.
03:43 Welcome back friends, and as I promised... Lucy, how are you
03:48 dear. All right. Lucy Lovey. But as a I called you earlier Lovey
03:52 Buggy and I asked you if anybody called you that. You said a lot.
03:57 Not Lovey Buggy, just Lovey. I didn't get that other part. Just
04:02 Lovey. I heard something
04:06 different. So I'm going to call you Lovey. Is that okay?
04:09 Okay, that's fine. All right so you got here. We
04:14 saw when you first arrived we just say your interview, the
04:17 first one. What's changed? Has anything changed?
04:22 A lot has changed. I didn't know what to expect when I came
04:30 although I knew it was going to be positive. What I was not
04:36 expecting was it to be like a little bit of heaven here.
04:43 You weren't expecting that?
04:46 No, I was not expecting prayer before everything, even getting
04:53 on a bus we pray. The massage therapist before she touches me
05:01 she prays. The doctor prays before... I mean I'm so prayed
05:08 up. I mean I feel so elevated. I mean I feel so protected with
05:16 all these prayers constantly every day, all the time, no
05:21 matter who I talk to. So I was not expecting that. That was a
05:27 very pleasant surprise. I was expecting everybody to be nice.
05:33 You know I'm not surprised by that. But you know you could be
05:40 nice because it's your job and it's protocol. But you guys are
05:47 not nice because of that. You're nice because it's in your nature
05:53 God's nature is in you and you're genuinely nice. You don't
05:58 have to try, it just comes automatically. I feel that.
06:03 That's so precious.
06:05 I feel that and that is what I'm thinking and I'm going to feel
06:14 so drastically changed too because of it. You know people
06:18 are nice when I am but this is different. This is really...
06:24 This is like it's going to be like after Jesus comes back,
06:30 how everybody's going to be so loving and so carefree and so
06:35 nice, so genuine. It's going to be great. So I'm getting a
06:42 little glimpse of what I think it's going to be like in our
06:48 next life. So how about you physically.
06:53 What's happened? Are you still on medication?
06:58 Yeah. Physically I came with a lot of medical problems. Then I
07:05 got sicker because there were other things that were
07:10 happening that just kind of blossomed here. Not as a
07:15 consequence of being here but because they had them in me and
07:21 they just... Yeah. So, but I see the changes and I am getting
07:26 better. But it's a long process because you know when you have
07:31 so much to work with, you know.
07:36 So were you taken off any of your medications?
07:39 I've been kind of taking myself off a little bit. Dr. Lukens...
07:45 Then I got to go back because my blood pressure shoots up.
07:51 So we're both trying to get me off. When the blood pressure
07:55 goes up, so I'm back on medicine but I don't intend to be there
08:01 forever. I lost 10 pounds. I've got a whole lot to go but those
08:05 10 pounds, already I feel, you know, I'm feeling it and that
08:10 is a good thing. Dr. Lukens shared with me and
08:17 we're going to be interviewing him in just a little bit, that
08:21 your walk, he walked with you back up that little slope from
08:26 the medical facility, he said you did really, really well
08:32 compared to when you first arrived. So what do you think
08:39 of the food here? The food is, it's good.
08:45 It's not like we fix at home.
08:47 No but it's... The people use good imagination and they can
08:54 do miracles with vegetables. The only thing is that since I
09:00 love a lot of seasoning, I think I would do with even more.
09:06 Amen. See that's the way my wife cooks. We use a lot of seasoning
09:11 A lot of garlic and onions and a little seasoning.
09:16 I says I'll die of anything but I'll never die of cancer, not
09:19 with all the garlic I eat.
09:23 So are you satisfied with the results, really, truly satisfied
09:28 I'm looking forward to coming back. Yes, I'm looking forward
09:33 to coming back when I get quite a bit thinner because I wasn't
09:38 able to do what the other people did. I wasn't able to go on
09:42 hikes, I wasn't able to do all the... They would go and they
09:48 would come back. Oh I did three miles. I'd be pooped out just
09:53 going to the doctor's office and back, I'm panting, so I knew
09:58 I couldn't do it.
10:00 Well, we're going to get you back here and when you come back
10:03 can we interview you again?
10:04 Oh absolutely. So our viewers can see how
10:07 you've changed. Yeah. I would love to bring my
10:09 son here, one of my sons. He's in the restaurant business and
10:14 you know he goes to the kitchen and he'll pick a little and he's
10:19 getting... He's very muscular but he's getting a big gut.
10:26 And I tell him, I don't want you to wind up like me.
10:29 So we already covered the medication but have you stopped
10:36 any of the medication at all?
10:38 I'm on very little medication. It's only on blood pressure
10:43 medication. Primarily blood pressure.
10:46 That's all I take. So how's your heart feel after
10:49 being here for a couple of weeks?
10:53 Good. I'm out of breath but it's not
10:57 from my heart. It's from my lungs.
11:00 Yes. And how about your cholesterol numbers? Did they
11:05 change? I think they got a little higher
11:08 The doctor told me this morning the triglycerides went up a
11:13 little bit but he says those things happen. Some somehow I
11:18 wasn't concerned about that because I trust Dr. Lukens.
11:24 I feel that I lose a few more pounds and that will go down.
11:30 And I definitely am not going back to no cholesterol
11:34 medication. Lovey, we're out of time but I
11:37 wanted to thank you for coming here and sharing with us and
11:42 God bless you. I'll be in touch with you in about three weeks.
11:46 Yes okay. Friends don't go away, we'll be
11:50 back after this.
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12:23 Welcome back friends and help me welcome Dr. Lukens.
12:30 It's a pleasure. This is a very interesting case and it's a
12:33 little different than some so I think a lot of people can be
12:37 edified by this. Well it's a special case for me
12:40 because this is my sister, as I told you earlier. You said, well
12:43 how are you related. I said we're both members of the zipper
12:47 club. And the people who've had open heart surgery know what I'm
12:50 talking about. You have a big scar down your chest as you
12:54 know and it looks like a zipper for some folks. In any case,
12:58 let's talk about her and how she's doing.
13:01 Okay the main thing for her is that her heart has not been good
13:08 and that any time you have a major operation like that it's
13:14 tough on you and she kind of wishes that she had done this
13:20 instead because her heart could have gotten stronger and it's
13:25 getting stronger now. The thing is even after she's had the
13:30 operation the heart is still large and it's flabby and it's
13:34 not beating well. She still has a high blood pressure that she
13:39 had and she's still got marginal kidneys. The doctor said you
13:44 know Lucy your kidneys are just kind of holding their own but
13:47 they're not really good. You've got to stay on top of this.
13:52 So you know your kidneys are going to function for as long as
13:56 you need them. Then another thing is when she came in and
14:00 we didn't know this, because we didn't know her, she had high
14:05 blood pressure. We knew that she was on medications for heart
14:09 failure, we knew that she was on medications for edema; she was
14:13 having swelling in her legs and she was having all these things
14:19 but she just kept coughing. So the nurses go in to find out
14:26 what her O2 saturation was and it would go way, way down. So then
14:31 actually one of the nights both of them were right with her
14:36 during the night, they were really concerned about it. So we
14:40 couldn't tell is this because of heart failure, is this because
14:48 of ones that have like emphysema Is this because of some kind of
14:53 an acute process. Then when we got her blood back, we thought
15:00 oh no, her hemoglobin is only 9. You know and for a woman
15:05 labs are different but 12-14 is about right and when you have
15:11 kidney disease, chronic kidney disease, your kidneys stop
15:16 sending messages through to the bone marrow "make more red blood
15:21 cells. We're running out of oxygen. We need more red blood
15:26 cells. And we need more hemoglobin in the red blood
15:30 cells and we're starving for oxygen so make more. " When the
15:35 kidneys are damaged if it's diabetes, if it's from high
15:39 blood pressure, whatever, when the kidneys stop functioning
15:43 well and they stop sending that message through to the bone
15:47 marrow and when your hemoglobin gets low enough you're just kind
15:52 dragging around and you're not oxygenating your blood and then
15:57 you just feel very weak and you're just not functioning well
16:01 So then the idea would be to treat the kidneys. That'll take
16:05 care of a multitude of problems.
16:07 Yeah, but how do you treat the kidneys when you're ready for
16:10 dialysis. That's your job.
16:15 That's nobody's job. But there are companies that make
16:18 injections, they're very expensive and the injections
16:21 now tell the bone marrow now make more red blood cells, kick
16:27 up the hemoglobin so we can get more oxygen. But I mean
16:32 that's... But how is it that the
16:35 hemoglobin has raised to 10 and she's been here now and after
16:40 the second blood draw it is increased. Did she receive
16:44 injections. No but she forgot to tell us
16:48 that she was hemorrhaging. And that was the greatest thing,
16:53 that was the thing that just lifted my spirits because when
16:57 we got the first one they sent us the alert, you know, this is
17:02 too low. So then what I thought of that, Oh no. Now here's
17:05 somebody whose kidneys have failed enough she's going to
17:09 have to be on these injections at 85 years of age, you know,
17:12 who's going to pay for the injections and all this stuff.
17:16 So I was so thrilled because when she stopped the
17:20 hemorrhaging then within a little bit over a week the
17:24 hemoglobin came up to a gram- and-a-half more. She was in the
17:29 10s and so that was great. You know I was just like ho good and
17:34 that left a load off of me.
17:36 Now what about the heart? The heart has gotten better and
17:40 there's evidence of that.
17:41 Yeah, she was having trouble because trying to go down to the
17:45 clinic, you know, they had to help her down to the clinic.
17:51 And then she's one of these go getters. She's, like they
17:56 say, a self-made person. She's done a lot of things in her life
18:00 but she would try to get back up from the clinic and it's quite
18:06 an uphill climb. And so I would walk with her and I'd say now
18:11 Lucy use your walker and go along. You don't have to sit in
18:16 it you don't have to stand
18:18 there and puff to try to get your oxygen level back up again,
18:23 but just go slower so that on the next to the last visit, I
18:27 walked up with her. It was a beautiful, sunny day and she
18:31 would keep pushing on. I'd say no, no, no. So then what she
18:34 finally realized was let's just walk slowly and she walked all
18:38 the way from the clinic all the way up to the lodge and she
18:42 didn't have to stop. She's happy She knows this is the beginning
18:48 she's got to do this. There are two things that really help the
18:55 kidneys. One is is that the heart gets stronger. So her
18:59 heart when it's stronger it's going to pump better and so it's
19:04 going to have more pressure into the kidneys, more blood will go
19:08 into the kidneys and more blood will be filtered. The other
19:12 thing is, is that the plant based foods, the amino acids
19:17 the ratio of amino acids in plant based foods are the very
19:22 amino acids that the body needs to build good human albumin.
19:27 There's two factors here, two main factors. One is that within
19:32 three days her heart is pumping better.
19:34 Three days, wow!
19:37 Yeah we have people that pump a lot of water out of their legs
19:42 between Monday and Thursday. I think the record so far for a
19:46 week is 30 pounds of water pumped out. So anyway when the
19:50 heart is stronger then it can pump more blood through the
19:54 kidneys and then that makes the kidneys function better. The
19:58 other thing is the protein in the plant-based died is the very
20:03 protein, the amino acids, that the body needs and not the ones
20:07 that it doesn't need. So it's not such a big load on the
20:11 kidneys to try to get it all out. So those two main things
20:15 help and we have a lot of people that have never had to
20:18 go on dialysis. Well I'm so glad to hear that
20:20 she's doing better. What's the prognosis? What does she do
20:24 after she leaves here?
20:27 Well, she realizes she needs to stay on the diet and then...
20:32 See she was coughing, coughing, coughing because she also had
20:36 pneumonia when she came here. So she's got all these different
20:42 things. I saw her today and she's looking great compared to
20:46 then. I said, you were pretty sick when you came here. And she
20:50 said I was very sick.
20:52 I gave a lecture and you walked in last Sabbath and she coughed
20:58 most of the time.
21:02 Yeah, that was the last part of her pneumonia, yes. Yeah, we had
21:06 to put her on antibiotics too.
21:09 Well she looks better in any case and I will be following up
21:15 with her as I do with all guests that want us to follow up
21:20 and hopefully inspire her to continue on.
21:24 Yeah, well she feels strong enough now to be directive to
21:28 her children again so they're going to realize that she's
21:31 better and they want her to do well.
21:33 Now how'd she do on the second treadmill, did she do okay?
21:37 No she didn't do the treadmill.
21:39 Oh, she didn't do that. Okay. So how is it that you're aware
21:44 that the heart is doing a better job?
21:46 Well when she first came they had to bring her down to the
21:52 clinic to take her to her first appointment and then now she's
21:57 able to walk down and then on the way back she'd have to just
22:01 stop and walk a few steps and then stop and walk a few steps.
22:05 Now she's able to walk without any problems.
22:08 Yeah. She still uses her walker for her balance, yeah.
22:14 Okay, well that's good news. So any other problems that we
22:19 could talk about with regards to her?
22:22 No. The fact that she's going to tell you that she's doing better
22:26 Well I want to thank you once again. You're always so welcome
22:30 here and it's always great to see you and talk with you.
22:34 Friends thank you for joining us. We've got a message to
22:38 follow. Hold on there. Don't go away.
22:40 First deadly psychological sin is criticism. Criticism. I don't
22:48 know if you've borne the brunt of being raised in a critical home
22:55 but human beings are by nature negatively focused and problem
23:01 focused. In fact, research has shown that 75 per cent of the
23:06 interactions between teachers in elementary school and their
23:11 students is negative. Research has also shown that in a child's
23:15 lifetime from birth to 18 years old he hears the word no from
23:20 his parents 148,000 times. Bottom line of all this is that
23:25 positive interaction, and particularly affirmation versus
23:29 criticism is a learned skill. It's something we have to do
23:33 proactively and intentionally or we will revert back to our
23:37 critical patterns. The story is told of a young man who was
23:41 complaining about the hymns at church. He said they were very
23:44 boring. His father said well if you're going to complain about
23:47 it then write one of your own. The boy went into his bedroom
23:51 and he wrote the hymn When I Survey the Wondrous Cross. The
23:56 young man was Isaac Watts and he went on to write over 350
24:01 many of them famous hymns including Joy to the World.
24:03 So there's a place for criticism Criticism serves a function. We
24:07 by nature as human beings are capable of reason and what we
24:12 call critical thinking. All criticism is not bad but we need
24:15 to sort of capture this beast and train it so that it benefits
24:19 us and others. Scientific research has shown that people
24:24 that are raised in critical environments where there's much
24:29 criticism among the family of origin tend to have more
24:32 depression diagnoses and more depressive symptoms. In fact a
24:37 critical environment at home has been associated with a
24:40 broad spectrum of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia
24:44 and other psychotic disorders. I have a quote here from
24:47 Abraham Lincoln...
24:52 In order to find out if you have the heart to help that person I
24:56 recommend that you ask yourself three questions before
24:59 criticizing them. Number one: Do I love to criticize or do I hate
25:02 to criticize. If you love it I think you need to give yourself
25:07 pause there. Number two: Am I doing it to help? Is that my
25:11 motive? Number three: Will I do it kindly and will I do it to
25:17 that person's face? Beware of Cyber criticism. Cyber criticism
25:22 can easily turn into a form of cyber bullying. It's really best
25:26 when you're addressing sensitive topics to talk to that person
25:29 eyeball to eyeball so to speak. The replacement for criticism
25:34 I'm sure you're dying to know. Very simple. It's affirmation.
25:37 Learn to affirm people. This does not come naturally to us.
25:41 I recommend that if you're a critiholic, we might call it,
25:45 that you go on a criticism fast for two to three weeks where
25:49 you criticize nothing, no one, not even yourself, for three
25:54 weeks. I challenge you to try that. Then after than when you
25:58 issue a criticism always do it in affirmation sandwich style.
26:03 You affirm that person, then you issue the criticism and then you
26:07 follow it up with another affirmation. This helps to
26:10 soften the blow. Marriage expert John Godman says that in order
26:15 to neutralize the emotional impact of the criticism one must
26:19 affirm five times. So remember that ratio. Five affirmations
26:24 to one criticism. What is the effect of an affirming
26:28 environment in the home. We've talked about the effect of a
26:31 critical environment. What's the effect of an affirming
26:34 environment? Some research has shown that there's a positive
26:40 correlation between fatherly affirmation and high self-
26:44 esteem in girls. There's a negative correlation between
26:49 fatherly affirmation
26:52 and fear of intimacy. So in other words, if fathers affirm
26:56 their daughters, they're likely to feel good about themselves
26:59 and they're likely to be able to develop healthy relationships
27:02 Sounds like a good thing to do. Try starting today affirming
27:05 someone that you would normally criticize. And usually, I hate
27:08 to say it, but it's those that are closest to us that we tend
27:11 to be so critical of. But try turning that around and
27:15 intentionally proactively affirming that person.
27:18 They won't know what happened.
27:20 Well friends that's it for today but join us next week for
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