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01:10 Friends, don't turn that dial, we have an amazing story
01:16 to follow in the next 29 and 1\2 minutes.
01:19 You're going to witness a miracle.
01:22 In our studio with me today is Dr. Lukens.
01:27 How are you, doc? Thank you, sir.
01:28 I'm always happy to talk about this miracle.
01:30 I can't wait to see her interview
01:34 and then come back with you.
01:38 So let's breakaway for that interview, okay?
01:43 Welcome back, friends.
01:44 Rosie, how are you, dear?
01:46 I'm good. Good.
01:47 Good.
01:48 Let's get right into your story here.
01:51 Okay. When I first came here, I wasn't happy.
01:56 Why weren't you happy?
01:57 because, I mean, I tried to lose weight,
02:01 it didn't work.
02:03 Why do you think that's so?
02:05 Because I wouldn't eat a proper diet.
02:08 Okay.
02:09 And so you were depressed?
02:12 Well, kind of, not really.
02:14 But kind of? Just kind of sad.
02:15 That's depressing to me.
02:17 Yeah.
02:19 Yeah, they said I didn't have much color in my face,
02:22 I wasn't happy, you know.
02:24 Well, you got color now.
02:25 But everybody said, you know,
02:28 "Since you've been here for a week,"
02:31 they say that, "you're looking happy,
02:34 you've got color in your face, and you just look overjoyed."
02:38 Yeah.
02:39 I said, "Well, I am for the most part
02:42 but I have this crazy cough,"
02:44 and that kept me kind of druggy, a little bit,
02:49 kind of tired and stuff.
02:53 So I didn't want to get out and do anything.
02:55 Yes.
02:56 But now that it's gotten a little better,
02:59 I'm able to get out and walk two miles
03:03 almost every day.
03:05 Good job.
03:06 And it just helped my leg altogether,
03:11 it doesn't hurt no more, hardly.
03:13 And what about your insulin resistance?
03:16 And I've been on insulin for 32 years.
03:20 Thirty two years.
03:21 And when I got here,
03:24 Dr. Lukens took me completely off of my insulin,
03:28 completely out my metformin, and off on my lipitor
03:33 which is my high cholesterol pill.
03:37 And he's very proud.
03:39 He says my pancreas is making more insulin than normal.
03:45 And my blood sugars are slowly coming down,
03:49 but they're not down to the normal range yet.
03:52 He said it might take another three to six months.
03:55 Now did your doctor at home tell you
03:57 you'd be on insulin all your life?
03:59 Mm-Hm.
04:01 How did he break that news to you?
04:05 Well, she didn't actually tell me
04:07 that I was going to be on insulin the rest of my life,
04:10 she told me I was going to be on metformin
04:13 for the rest of my life.
04:14 So you'd be diabetic for the rest of your life?
04:16 Yeah. I see.
04:17 And so now that I'm off of my insulin,
04:20 off of the metformin, I'm feeling a whole lot better
04:24 'cause the insulin, you know,
04:26 I've been insulin dependent for 32 years.
04:28 Wow!
04:30 And it's just a miracle that I'm off of it.
04:34 Wow. Praise god.
04:36 So I'm very, very happy.
04:38 Is that expensive?
04:40 Yes, it's one of the most expensive prescriptions I have.
04:44 Really?
04:46 What other prescriptions you have?
04:48 Oh, I have the metformin
04:50 And I had teranol.
04:54 I got two...
04:55 I'm on a water pill lasix
04:57 for edema and a potassium pill.
05:03 And I'm on two different pills for my restless leg
05:09 that I have at night especially, and that's it.
05:13 Yeah. That's it.
05:15 Well, do you see that staying on this program
05:18 that you've learned in the last 16 days,
05:22 you may be able to get rid of those two?
05:24 Yes.
05:26 Yeah. Yes. Good.
05:27 How do you weight? How are you doing your weight?
05:29 I've lost 13 pounds total.
05:32 And my goal that i told my husband
05:35 that I'm going to lose was 10-15 pounds.
05:38 Well, you're right there.
05:39 I got two more to go to my goal.
05:41 And you got a couple more days.
05:45 You loosed about two pounds a day.
05:47 Yep.
05:48 So you can expect to lose another two pounds.
05:51 Yeah, I hope.
05:53 Good job. Good job.
05:54 Yeah, hope to lose more.
05:56 So what did you like most about our program here?
06:01 It was just the caring of the nurses,
06:04 caring of the doctors,
06:07 and just the people that I'm here with,
06:10 they all cared.
06:12 They all care.
06:13 Have you ever been around a group of doctors
06:16 or nurses that cared so much?
06:20 No. No, neither was I.
06:23 Not till I came here.
06:24 How you liked the food?
06:26 Oh, it took me a while to get used to it.
06:29 But now I enjoy it now.
06:33 Did Michele teach you some good things?
06:35 Oh, yes, she did.
06:36 Isn't she a delight?
06:38 Yes. Yeah.
06:39 She taught us how to make
06:41 banana-Strawberry ice cream today
06:44 with just a fruit.
06:46 With just a fruit.
06:47 And it was good.
06:48 She freezes it and put it through the champion.
06:50 She took it out of the freezer
06:52 and put it in the vitamix blender
06:58 and, you know, it took a little time
07:00 to break up the fruit because they were frozen solid.
07:04 Yes.
07:06 It was really good.
07:07 Everything we did so far has been good.
07:10 Good. Everything.
07:13 Now what about the hydro and the massage?
07:16 Oh, I enjoy those.
07:18 Who was your therapist?
07:21 I can never pronounce her name,
07:24 Nishong, something like that.
07:27 Yeah. Yeah, Nishong. Yep.
07:29 Oh, good. Yep.
07:31 I told myself yesterday,
07:33 I said, "I like to have another massage please.
07:36 My shoulder is hurting again."
07:39 Well, I get one tomorrow, so that's okay.
07:43 So when you get home, what are you going to do?
07:48 Continue on the diet, continue on walking,
07:51 continue everything I've done here at home.
07:54 What about your husband? How's he?
07:56 Is he going to be out walking with you?
07:58 He will be on the weekends
08:02 because he works away from the house a lot,
08:04 so he eats on the run.
08:06 Okay.
08:07 So it will be, you know, hard for him
08:09 to do it during the week, but on weekends, he says,
08:11 "Well, I'll eat whatever you cook
08:13 because everything in the house
08:15 is going to be what you can eat."
08:17 Amen.
08:19 So he's supposed to have everything
08:21 out of the refrigerator and freezer
08:23 that I'm not supposed to have, and cupboards.
08:26 Good job.
08:27 So he agreed to do that for me,
08:29 so I wouldn't have to do it when I get home.
08:31 I go, "Whoa! That was really good."
08:34 I want to thank you for taking your time
08:36 and being willing to come here.
08:38 God bless you, dear.
08:39 God bless you too.
08:41 And we will be in touch.
08:42 Don't go away, friends, 'cause Dr. Lukens is up next.
08:48 Welcome back, friends.
08:50 Dr. Lukens, it's so good to see you.
08:52 Yeah, very, very good.
08:54 You know, I'm really excited about this interview today
08:58 because we're going to talk about another miracle.
09:01 And so what I want to get from you
09:04 if you would please, from a doctor's perspective,
09:08 tell us about what has happened here,
09:10 why is this so unique?
09:13 Well, it really isn't that unique,
09:16 but it's unique to what usually is told to the patients
09:21 because this is a delightful lady,
09:25 but she is overweight, a lot.
09:29 And when she went in to see the doctor,
09:31 he told her, he said, "You're going to be on insulin
09:34 for the rest of your life
09:35 because you're not making insulin anymore."
09:38 And, you know, I didn't know what all she had done
09:42 and, you know, they said what they understand.
09:45 And so I thought, "Well, maybe she isn't."
09:48 But she was on just under 400 units of insulin.
09:53 And, of course, we talk about this.
09:56 When they come in,
09:57 they get some food for a day and a half,
10:00 and then we put them on a fast.
10:02 Even if she were a type 1,
10:03 we would take her off of her insulin
10:05 because you just have to.
10:08 And in type 1s, they freak out when we say that,
10:10 but we watch them very closely.
10:13 So she came in and her blood sugars range,
10:16 she said between 250 and 550,
10:20 and that's on the insulin.
10:23 And it's really hard to chase it,
10:25 you also can't lose weight on that because,
10:28 you know, your blood sugars are all over the place.
10:30 So when she came in, it's kind of like,
10:32 "So we're going to fast? This is no food fast?"
10:36 "Yeah, that's it."
10:37 And her blood sugars went down to,
10:39 like 120-140
10:43 during that time.
10:45 So now here is the kicker on this one,
10:49 as she went off the fast,
10:51 she had developed a urinary tract infection,
10:54 and upper respiratory infection,
10:57 and she was coughing during the night,
10:59 so she wasn't sleeping well.
11:00 And all of those stressors
11:03 shot her sugar back up to 450 and 550.
11:08 Well, you know, she was concerned,
11:09 "Shouldn't I be taking some insulin?"
11:11 I said, "Well, let's see what happens."
11:13 So we've got a special test, it's called c-Peptide.
11:16 And she was making twice the amount of insulin
11:21 that we normally see.
11:23 And so I thought, "Okay, insulin is not the problem.
11:26 So let's have her continue to do this."
11:28 And slowly, slowly she's come down.
11:30 And from our experience, we can see that the people,
11:35 as the adipose tissue comes off,
11:37 as the fat comes off,
11:39 especially as they're exercising,
11:41 it doesn't take very much or any insulin
11:45 to get the sugar into the muscles.
11:47 And so now she's, you know, she's beaming, she's smiling
11:51 because those things are gone
11:53 and her blood sugar is coming down now,
11:55 and she's happy, and she's off of almost all the medications.
12:00 And then to be told that she'd be on the,
12:02 you know, those fingers and the injections,
12:04 and she was doing five injections a day.
12:09 And it's just an entirely different life now.
12:13 Let me add a point here.
12:15 A lot of you diabetics out there
12:18 know what doctor is talking about.
12:21 There are other viewers that don't know.
12:24 And let me just describe it this way,
12:26 we are watching a miracle happen,
12:28 a woman that's been told she's not making any insulin,
12:33 we're finding out she's putting out twice
12:35 as much as she needs,
12:37 she gets off the insulin and other drugs,
12:40 medications that she's taking, and she's doing well, right?
12:43 Yes.
12:45 She's thrilled because she keeps talking
12:47 to her husband and he's delighted as well.
12:50 He's just happy as a clown.
12:51 Yeah because, you know, he loves her character.
12:53 Or i should say her character.
12:55 But, you know, I mean,
12:57 this is something that impacts the whole family.
13:01 Amen. Amen.
13:04 And when she's having trouble, whether her blood sugars
13:06 are too low or too high or whatever,
13:09 and, you know, they love each other to pieces,
13:13 but sometimes, there is a lot of pieces.
13:16 Yeah, lot of stress. Yeah.
13:18 So what's her prognosis?
13:21 What does she do from here now?
13:23 She's going to stick with the program I'm sure.
13:25 Okay,
13:27 well, we need to make sure that she does that.
13:28 We've had other people
13:30 that are in a similar situation.
13:32 And if somebody out there wants to know,
13:35 you go to TED Talks, and look at Neil Barnard,
13:39 N-E-I-L B-A-R-N-A-R-D.
13:44 And he will tell you that type 2 diabetics,
13:47 from a big government funded study,
13:50 type 2 diabetics
13:52 don't have to be diabetic anymore.
13:54 And that came up in 2012,
13:57 and it's the most wonderful thing,
13:59 I just keep showing it to people wherever I go.
14:01 Well, I keep showing people your interviews
14:04 because I placed a value here, right here,
14:08 because you've taught me in the last 12 years,
14:12 seeing hundreds of people reversing their diabetes
14:15 over and over and over again.
14:17 It's nice that Neil Barnard is doing that
14:21 because he has a huge following.
14:23 But, you know, we will too.
14:25 The thing is that people probably,
14:28 you know, there's people that say this
14:30 and there's people who say that and you think,
14:31 "What are they talking about?"
14:33 But when somebody has a government study
14:36 and can make those, it's very, very incredible.
14:39 More credible, more credible. Yeah.
14:41 Then the other doctors say, "Well, you know..."
14:43 And then Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
14:47 "Oh, not so much".
14:49 But it's there,
14:51 and if you want to get off of most of your medications
14:55 and eventually, probably, all of them,
14:57 as you stay on this program,
14:59 you will be wonderfully surprised.
15:02 She's not the only one in this session,
15:04 we've got four others.
15:05 Yes. We've run out of time.
15:08 But I want to thank you, doctor.
15:10 Yeah, well, thanks for doing this.
15:12 Oh, yeah, well, thank you for being here.
15:14 And thank you, friends, but don't go away
15:18 Pastor Snead is up next.
15:24 Every year in America,
15:25 there are over one million deaths
15:27 because of type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity.
15:30 This includes heart attacks and strokes.
15:32 That's six and a half 747s crashing every day.
15:36 What's even worse is that the fix is easy.
15:39 It's your lifestyle.
15:41 Wouldn't it be nice if you could actually add
15:43 quality years to your life
15:44 rather than dying one organ at a time?
15:47 Obesity and diabetes are the cause
15:49 of over a million deaths per year.
15:51 Most diseases are reversible
15:53 because most diseases are lifestyle diseases,
15:56 especially type 2 diabetes and chronic obesity.
16:00 Seriously, now they can be reversed
16:02 and the quality of your life can be renewed.
16:05 Call NEWSTART today at 1-800-525-9192.
16:12 You will see dramatic changes
16:13 in the first few days at our program,
16:15 and you will be on the road
16:17 to a better more robust quality of life.
16:19 The NEWSTART programs are simple and effective.
16:26 Welcome back, friends.
16:28 Pastor Snead, good to see you, my brother.
16:30 Thank you. How you doing?
16:32 I'm doing great, and I know you're doing great
16:34 because you had four baptisms out of this group.
16:38 Yes, sir.
16:39 You know, doesn't that just make you excited?
16:42 What Don Mackintosh says, "It's our payment."
16:44 "It's our payment." That's how we really get paid.
16:47 And these graduations which is tomorrow night,
16:51 I love to attend the graduations.
16:53 Yes, sir.
16:54 But let's talk about Miss Rosie.
16:56 Sure. Sure. Okay.
16:58 And you described her, before we got on the program,
17:02 as being, you know, kind of quiet,
17:04 a little withdrawn, a little depressed,
17:07 little of this, little of that, what happened?
17:10 Well, I misjudged her at first. I thought...
17:13 When I first see, I'm always evaluating
17:16 everybody who's going, I think it's going to be work,
17:17 and when I saw her, she was a moper,
17:20 very quiet, very withdrawn.
17:22 Later, I got to realize
17:24 that she was battling some depression
17:26 and feeling really terrible.
17:28 And so, you know, everyone got that sense from her,
17:30 we were just kind of worried about her
17:31 and how she was going to do the program,
17:33 she didn't seem to be participating
17:35 with a lot of people.
17:36 And, of course, by the second week,
17:39 everyone's talking about Rosie.
17:41 Everybody's talking about...
17:42 Yes, I mean I saw it probably the Tuesday,
17:47 the second week, the Tuesday there.
17:48 I was walking down the hallway, and I looked at her,
17:51 and I was like, I said,
17:52 "Miss Rosie, you look different."
17:54 She was smiling, she had this grin on her face,
17:57 and happy, and talking, and engaging,
18:00 and you have to know that
18:02 that's got everything to do with the health aspect
18:05 of this thing.
18:06 Something's happening in her heart,
18:08 in her mind.
18:09 But surely you know by now, and I know you know this,
18:13 the most people coming here are depressed.
18:16 And, you know, I was one of them.
18:19 I was depressed when I got here.
18:21 But who wouldn't be with all the sicknesses,
18:23 I don't know if I'm dying or what's going to go on.
18:28 And a lot of these people here are at the end of their rope.
18:32 They don't know if they're going to die
18:33 of a heart attack or stroke, they don't know
18:36 if they ever going to be well again.
18:38 And then they come here
18:40 and all of a sudden they find hope
18:42 through our pastor, through our doctor,
18:45 our nurses, the food, the cooking classes,
18:49 all these contribute to the whole
18:53 and help make person or all persons whole again.
18:57 Sure. Sure. Well, you know, I talked to her this morning,
19:01 she was spending nearly a thousand dollars a month
19:05 on medicine for 32 years.
19:09 She got type 2 diabetes when she was pregnant.
19:12 The doctor said, "You're done.
19:13 It's going to be for the rest of your life."
19:16 That is a lot of money over a lot of years.
19:19 So, friends, had she caught this years ago,
19:23 she could have saved $360,000,
19:29 and like you said, that's a house in California.
19:31 That's a house in California. Or three in Texas.
19:34 Yeah, unless you're in Austin.
19:38 And so they feel when they get here,
19:40 they're like, "Well, maybe it'll work,
19:41 maybe it won't."
19:43 And, you know, they are depressed.
19:44 Well, yeah.
19:47 You know, part of her happiness,
19:48 you know...
19:50 She was telling me this morning, she says,
19:51 "I'm off all but just a few minor meds."
19:54 So she says, "I've got nearly a thousand dollars a month
19:57 to spend on what we want to, so this is happy...
20:01 I need a thousand dollars a month."
20:03 But yeah, part of the joy is being free from that burden
20:08 of medicines, and drugs, and things like that.
20:12 You know, you bring to mind,
20:14 I remember, about the third of the way
20:16 or maybe it was halfway through the program,
20:18 when I came here, I was doing some figuring.
20:21 I said to my wife, I said, "Honey,
20:23 do you realize by becoming vegan,
20:25 and stopping alcohol,
20:28 and the other things we're doing,
20:29 eating out so often,
20:31 we're going to save about $2,500 dollars a month."
20:35 And I realized, when you look back,
20:37 people who drink alcohol, easily spend a $1,000 a month,
20:42 and with dinners out at a $100, $200 a dinner,
20:46 you know, anyway that was then.
20:48 Of course, my life is different now,
20:50 after 12 years especially.
20:53 So would you say that
20:58 we have a huge change in this situation?
21:04 Oh, well, with Rosie,
21:06 as what I have been seeing again
21:08 for nearly a year and a half now,
21:10 the health, getting the health better,
21:13 she, of course, is very spiritually aware now.
21:15 She's very excited
21:17 about her relationship with God again.
21:19 She's actually, you know, she was non-Adventist
21:21 but she said, "I'm studying now."
21:24 I gave her a set of Bible studies this morning,
21:26 she wants to continue studying the things that we learned.
21:29 One of the things she told me this morning was
21:31 she had no clue
21:33 that the will of faith worked that way.
21:34 She said, "I've been raised in church my whole life."
21:36 She goes, "I've never seen all these things
21:38 put together that way."
21:39 And she's excited about learning a little more.
21:42 So I gave her something
21:43 to kind of continue her education.
21:46 Amen. We're out of time, pastor.
21:48 Thank you so much, Damon. Oh, yeah.
21:50 And thank you, friends.
21:51 Don't go away, we have a tip for you following this.
22:30 Welcome to NEWSTART Now.
22:32 I'm Dr. Neil Nedley, President of Weimar Institute.
22:35 And with me today is Dr. Eddie Ramirez,
22:37 one of our physicians,
22:39 as well as one of our researchers,
22:41 and very active in teaching at the college,
22:44 research methods, and advanced research methods.
22:47 In fact, if you know any students who want to excel
22:50 and be very successful throughout their careers,
22:53 Weimar Institute is the place to send them
22:56 'cause they'll learn how to do this research
22:58 on nutrition and lifestyle right here,
23:00 and it's by publishing in the scientific literature
23:03 that you're able to change the world.
23:05 And this study is exciting
23:07 'cause it just came out a couple of days ago,
23:09 Dr. Ramirez. That's right.
23:11 So this is hot off of the press,
23:13 and this was published in the American Journal
23:15 of Lifestyle Medicine,
23:17 the November- December issue of 2016.
23:21 And this is a study looking at what now?
23:25 What we are focusing here
23:27 is the heart of the depression recovery program.
23:32 Okay.
23:33 As a physician, you learn that a good physician
23:37 learns the causes of the problem
23:40 because if not, you waste your time
23:42 just dealing with symptoms.
23:44 But if you're able to put your finger
23:46 where the problem lies, then there is hope
23:50 and that's what this paper is all about,
23:52 about hope for the depressed and the person with anxiety.
23:55 That's important because depression doesn't have
23:58 the same cause in every individual.
24:01 There are some people that can be severely depressed
24:03 for one set of reasons
24:04 and another group of people who can be depressed
24:07 for a whole different group of reasons.
24:09 And so there's many factors
24:11 that can affect brain chemistry.
24:14 What are some of those factors that can affect brain chemistry
24:17 the study looked at? That's right.
24:19 In this study,
24:21 there are 10 hits or causes of depression.
24:26 And from those 10,
24:29 2 you cannot change, the rest of the 8,
24:32 they are potentially reversible.
24:35 The two that you cannot change are the genetic
24:37 and the developmental, the way you grew up
24:39 and the genes that you received from your family.
24:41 Yeah, if you're already an adult,
24:44 and of course,
24:45 we can't go back and have you be born again,
24:47 so to speak as far as the genetic part.
24:50 And of course,
24:51 we can't have you go through childhood again.
24:54 And so those two things tend to be fixed.
24:56 But everything else, we actually can change
24:59 in the biology of the brain and that's exciting.
25:04 What did this study actually show as far as causes?
25:09 How many...?
25:11 I think this study showed
25:12 that depression is not just one cause.
25:14 That's right.
25:16 In fact, you can have bad genes,
25:17 you could've been raised in a very dysfunctional home,
25:20 but you don't have to have depression
25:23 if you don't have other causes.
25:24 And that's the beauty of this study that...
25:26 They are in prints
25:27 that you can actually access for free.
25:29 When we published this,
25:31 we paid more than $3,000 dollars
25:33 to make it open, anybody can access this paper
25:36 if you Google the words Nedley and hypothesis.
25:39 The first hits on your Google are this study.
25:43 And what we're showing is that
25:45 in order for you to have depression,
25:46 you need to have four or more of these factors
25:51 active in your life.
25:53 Okay, so four or more
25:55 and then you're going to have depression,
25:56 and that means all of us can succumb to depression.
25:59 If we have four different categories of causes,
26:02 you're going to end up with depression, or anxiety,
26:04 or some other mental illness.
26:07 And the good news is these changes, these hits,
26:11 or risk factors can be reversed.
26:13 And if we take it down to two or less,
26:16 then the depression and anxiety goes away.
26:18 That's right.
26:19 And that's the beautiful thing about this
26:21 that the person can use these causes
26:24 as a motivator for them and a goal to change
26:28 and to improve their mental health.
26:30 Now one of the ways
26:31 you as a listener can access this
26:33 or someone else you know and love,
26:35 just look at depression anxiety assessment test,
26:39 the DAT Test.
26:40 You can look that up, and you can actually find out
26:42 the causes that might be operative
26:44 in your loved one or you.
26:46 And then there can be a little subscription there
26:48 or prescription as regards to what you can do differently
26:52 to get rid of this depression and anxiety.
26:55 So this produces a lot of hope.
26:57 Yes, and many people have been helped,
26:59 more than 6000 people around the literal globe
27:03 have been helped with this principles.
27:05 You know, interestingly,
27:07 the average medicine for depression
27:08 that's released on the market has less than 1000 patients
27:11 that have taken that medicine.
27:13 This is a program that's far more tried
27:15 and true than medication,
27:18 and it actually works far better than medication.
27:21 And we have published more than 20 papers
27:23 related to that topic.
27:25 If you keep watching this program,
27:27 you will learn more about those studies
27:29 that we have published.
27:31 Thank you for watching NEWSTART Now.
27:33 I'm Dr. Neil Nedley.
27:34 Join us again next week for another exciting study.
27:40 Well, friends, that's it for today.
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