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Sabbath School / Interview With A Muslim Guest

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Participants: Rodney MacCullum

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01:02 You know if you have come here to
01:04 Michigan Men of Faith.
01:08 You've come to be blessed for sure,
01:13 but I believe that you are probably here because
01:16 you have a determination in your heart that you're
01:20 not just going to be one of those kind of men,
01:25 who follows along behind whatever wind is driving
01:30 itself through the church or through the world.
01:33 You're here because you believe
01:36 God can lead through you.
01:39 You will be a soldier of Christ then in God's army.
01:44 Let's sing that song Soldiers of Christ Arise.
01:58 Soldiers of Christ, arise, And put your armor on,
02:07 Strong in the strength which God supplies,
02:12 Through His eternal Son;
02:16 Strong in the Lord of hosts,
02:21 And in His mighty pow'r,
02:26 Who in the strength of Jesus trusts
02:31 Is more than conqueror?
02:37 Stand then in His great might,
02:41 With all His strength endued;
02:47 But take, to arm you for the fight,
02:51 The panoply of God;
02:56 That, having all things done,
03:01 And all your conflicts passed,
03:06 You may o'ercome through Christ alone,
03:11 And stand entire at last.
03:17 From strength to strength go on;
03:21 Wrestle, and fight, and pray;
03:27 Tread all the power of darkness down,
03:32 And win the well-fought day:
03:37 Still let the Spirit cry
03:41 In all His soldiers, "Come!"
03:46 Till Christ the Lord who reigns on high,
03:52 Shall take the conquerors home.
04:00 Amen! Well if you're going to be a
04:03 Soldier of Christ, how many of you think
04:06 that you can just branch out on your own
04:10 and you can walk the path alone and you can fight
04:13 the battle alone. You think you need help,
04:17 amen. We can use help from each other,
04:20 but unless we have Jesus walking with us,
04:23 we won't accomplish much, will we,
04:25 we'll be overcome. And so let's sing the
04:28 next song I Want Jesus to Walk With Me.
04:41 I want Jesus to walk with me
04:51 I want Jesus to walk with me
05:02 All along my pilgrim journey,
05:12 I want Jesus to walk with me
05:23 In my trials, Lord, walk with me
05:33 In my trials, Lord, walk with me
05:43 When the shades of life are falling,
05:53 I want Jesus to walk with me.
06:04 In my sorrows, Lord, walk with me.
06:14 In my sorrows, Lord, walk with me.
06:24 When my heart within is aching,
06:35 I want Jesus to walk with me
06:46 Amen! Thank you. Amen, amen!
09:35 Good morning men, happy Sabbath.
09:37 Good morning. I want to thank Byron Graves,
09:40 our music teacher here our band and
09:44 bell choir teacher here at
09:45 Great Lakes Adventist Academy,
09:47 and I want to thank all of you students for
09:49 coming and be in willing and sharing your talents
09:52 with us this Sabbath day. You know it's just such a
09:56 privilege to be able to come together as men
10:00 and to be able to worship God.
10:04 This is the day that the Lord has made for us
10:09 to get to know Him, and for us to be reminded
10:14 that He created us, He loves us,
10:19 and He wants to spend time with us,
10:23 like never before the enemy of our souls,
10:26 the enemy of God is doing everything
10:29 he can do to try to ruin our experience.
10:33 As men, he wants to slam us, he wants
10:38 to degrade us, he wants to be little less,
10:42 he wants to weaken our faith.
10:44 If you turn on any television show
10:47 and you look at any family on there,
10:51 the man might have the nice house but
10:53 he is projected as an idiot.
10:58 We are under attack men, but we are called today
11:04 to come together as men to strengthen one another,
11:09 to build faith and to be reminded that
11:12 there is a God in heaven that loves us.
11:16 There is a God in heaven
11:17 that has paid for our sins. Amen!
11:23 That God became sin for us
11:30 and He took our penalty, He took our shame.
11:36 This morning I invite you to bow your heads
11:40 with me as we pray and as we ask the
11:45 presence of God to be here with us.
11:47 Father in Heaven, we want to thank you so much
11:51 for this day tha you've given us.
11:54 This isn't a day where we come to be entertained.
12:01 This is your Holy Sabbath day.
12:06 We have come to worship you amen men. Amen!
12:12 We have come to praise you and give you honor.
12:16 We have been under attack but you are a God
12:20 that can and will help us.
12:26 We know that you love us within everlasting love,
12:30 and so today Lord we pray that you would help us
12:35 to forget about everything else,
12:40 everything in this world is gonna burn anyway,
12:45 and help us to focus on what you have to say to us.
12:53 Lord we want to be the man you want us to be,
12:56 but it's impossible without your help.
13:01 So Lord we just want to invite you into our hearts
13:08 work through work that you need to do.
13:11 I ask your blessing on every speaker,
13:16 and everything that happens today may Jesus
13:20 receive the praise and the glory. Amen!
13:26 I want you to turn with me in your Bibles
13:28 to the Book of Acts.
13:42 In the Book of Acts, it's an amazing book of
13:47 stories of men that, had once been disappointed
13:54 and Jesus has strengthened them,
13:56 and they were on fire, they were filled with the
13:59 Holy Spirit in the 4th chapter of Acts.
14:03 I want you to look at verse 13; you see
14:08 Peter was called before they send Hedren.
14:12 You know Peter's story, he was zealous for God.
14:17 He wasn't ashamed of God at that garden,
14:22 and he took that sword and he cut off
14:25 Malchus' ear. God, I am with you
14:28 if everybody else leaves you, I am with you,
14:32 I've got your back and he had God's back.
14:37 In only a way a sinful man could have God's back,
14:41 he cut off the ear of Malchus and Jesus,
14:45 He put it back together and He said
14:47 that's not what I am all about Peter.
14:50 Not long after that we find Peter warming
14:54 himself up to a fire denying Christ,
14:57 I don't know him, I don't know him,
15:00 maybe a few swear words were appropriate
15:03 are in order, I don't want to be associated
15:07 with this. I was with God,
15:11 I had His back in the garden, but I don't know
15:14 how to deal with the cross,
15:18 I don't know how to deal with this.
15:22 And Jesus has been taken captive;
15:24 He is not doing His stuff. He is not performing
15:27 the miracles. I don't know how to deal with this.
15:33 In fact I don't understand the cross.
15:36 I am ashamed of the cross
15:40 and Peter is denying his Lord
15:44 and the rooster crowed. Peter remembers the
15:49 words of Christ, I can only imagine Peter going
15:53 and weeping what if I die, what if I die.
16:03 Jesus meets Peter after the resurrection,
16:06 and how they were fishing you know the story,
16:08 He meets Peter and He says Peter,
16:11 He says do you love me. Peter says you know
16:14 I do Lord. Feed my sheep, He asked him that
16:20 three times Peter, he is starting to get it,
16:26 he is starting to understand the cross,
16:29 sacrifice. He is starting to understand the
16:32 commitment that God ask for His people
16:38 that being a Christian is not about,
16:40 okay God I am on your side, now you've got to
16:42 help me pay my bills, you've got to help
16:44 me do this, you've got to help me do that,
16:46 if you take care of me I am with you.
16:49 But wait a minute the least inconvenience,
16:51 and I am not sure that I want to follow you.
16:56 Today, Jesus is telling us through Peter
17:01 and through all of those that have lived
17:03 and followed Him that the cross demanded sacrifice,
17:11 a commitment and I want to ask you men,
17:15 is Jesus Christ enough for you and I today.
17:21 The world is looking for miracles,
17:23 manifestations to be taken care of,
17:26 to be the least inconvenienced.
17:31 Is Calvary enough for you
17:35 or must you have a feeling,
17:40 must you always be on a high.
17:50 In the 13 verse of Acts chapter 4 something
17:55 happened to Peter, something happened
18:00 to Peter, and when they saw the boldness
18:05 of Peter and John and perceived that
18:10 they were uneducated and untrained men,
18:14 they marveled and they realized that
18:20 they had been with Jesus. Amen!
18:26 I want to ask you this men,
18:30 today when you leave this place of worship,
18:37 will your wives, will your the people that
18:40 you work with, or will your kids know
18:42 will those that you associate with.
18:47 Will they say wow! What has happened to you,
18:51 you've been with Jesus. Amen!
18:58 You see it's really up to you, because Jesus,
19:05 He has a message for us. I want to turn,
19:11 ask you to turn with me one more time just
19:16 a page over to chapter 5,
19:21 the apostles has been beaten,
19:27 they had been beaten in verse 40,
19:33 and they agreed with him and when they had called,
19:36 I am in Acts chapter 5 verse 40
19:39 are you with me say amen. Amen!
19:42 And they called for the apostles and beaten them,
19:45 they commanded that they should not speak
19:48 in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
19:53 Verse 41, so they departed from the
19:55 presence of the council, rejoicing
20:00 that they were counted worthy to suffer shame
20:05 for His name. And daily in the temple,
20:10 and in every house, they did not ceased teaching
20:15 and preaching Jesus as the Christ. Amen!
20:23 Something had happened, something had clicked.
20:32 They realized that they didn't have to live
20:37 their life by feeling that they could live
20:43 their life by faith in Christ and if that meant
20:47 suffering hardship, if that meant suffering
20:51 pain and humiliation who at one time
20:55 Peter was not willing to go through.
21:03 But something had taken place,
21:07 they began to understand Calvary.
21:13 I want to ask you men,
21:18 are you willing to spend that time with Jesus,
21:26 we beg for the times that you have denied
21:30 Christ we all have, we all have fallen short of
21:34 the glory of God. We've all denied
21:36 Him in someway. We've all, we all have
21:42 misunderstood His mission and His plan,
21:45 but it takes time, it takes time to be able to
21:50 come together to be able to take that quite time
21:56 as well and to be able to say Lord
22:00 would you deepen my understanding
22:02 of the Calvary? Would you deepen my
22:06 understanding of your love for me?
22:08 Would you help me, because I want to go
22:16 through the pain and the sorrow of what
22:21 the last day prophets have told
22:24 we would go through, with your presence
22:28 by me rejoicing, thinking that I am nothing,
22:34 I am worthless without you,
22:39 but I am everything with you? Amen!
22:44 This morning we have that opportunity
22:47 to pause and to pray.
22:51 I want to ask, if you men would ask for the
22:57 Holy Spirit to be with each of you,
23:00 that you would get in prayer of men's of two's
23:02 and three's here in just a minute,
23:06 three's four's put your arms around each other,
23:12 pray for one another, and pray that the
23:14 Holy Spirit would be here today.
23:19 And it's not just for the inconvenience
23:21 that you're gonna have to go through waiting
23:23 for the meal today because you will.
23:25 We've got to feed 500 plus, now it's gonna be
23:28 a thousand here today.
23:31 It's not the inconvenience as
23:34 you may find in your everyday life
23:36 whether or not you know you get the choice
23:41 or you have to wait so long for your meal
23:45 at a restaurant. Are you willing to die for Jesus?
23:55 Are you willing to say yes Jesus is my Lord.
23:59 I don't care what you think about me,
24:01 but I do care what you think about Him. Amen!
24:06 I ask for you to divide up now and pray for
24:09 one another and pray for the Holy Spirit because
24:12 I believe that we assembled here like
24:15 this can move the right arm of our
24:19 Father in Heaven, and Jesus who is in the
24:22 most holy place right now where judgment
24:26 is about to end.
24:28 Here is our prayer and will commission
24:31 angels to work for us, let's pray.
25:15 Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
25:23 Look full in His wonderful face,
25:31 And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
25:41 In the light of His glory and grace.
25:54 Good morning Michigan Men of Faith.
25:56 It's wonderful to see you here today.
25:58 And the Lord has given us a beautiful day.
26:01 I've Rodney MacCallum here and with me
26:05 he is a Bible teacher for the Michigan Conference,
26:09 and he is, his ministry is directed toward
26:14 reaching out to our Muslim friends you know
26:18 there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world
26:22 somewhat like that and Jesus loves them
26:26 and we want them to hear God's last warning
26:29 message before Jesus comes. Amen!
26:32 And, so he has been, been doing this
26:36 and he has been very clear who he is,
26:39 he is the Seventh-day Adventist, a Bible teacher.
26:42 And, so we are going to share this morning
26:45 some of experiences that God has been giving
26:48 him and the doors that are been open.
26:50 So I would like to turn to you Brother Rodney
26:53 and let you began by maybe sharing
26:56 what happened recently in Australia.
26:59 Now when you hear him speak you know
27:00 he is not from Michigan, but he has got a
27:04 beautiful Australian accent that
27:06 we all enjoy hearing, but he was back home
27:09 getting his visas cleared away and what happened?
27:16 I, as Jay Gallimore has said I, I am a guest
27:21 in this country and my visa end,
27:25 periodically I have to, have a checked
27:27 and I sent to the consultant in Sydney,
27:30 Australia. And, the next person who followed
27:35 me in was, was a wonderful Muslim lady,
27:39 she was running late for her appointment,
27:41 I was early so I insist that she get before me.
27:44 We fell into a wonderful conversation
27:48 and this is a special lady. And about 45 minutes
27:52 afterwards when it came to a point
27:54 where this lady had to prove that she could
27:58 cover the cost of her visa,
28:00 she had a Debit Card and surprisingly the,
28:04 the US Consulate doesn't accept the debit card,
28:07 she didn't have cash or credit,
28:10 and I could see what was going to happen
28:12 because she needs to be in this country for the
28:17 birth of her grandchild, if she left the Consulate
28:22 to find an ATM machine she would lose her place,
28:25 and she would lose a month.
28:27 So, I just simply step forward and I covered
28:30 the cost of the visa for her.
28:35 Now that active kindness and there is a huge
28:39 lesson there for all of us as we,
28:41 as we share God's love with our Muslim friends,
28:45 a huge lesson that active kindness
28:47 what did that happened, you didn't do it for
28:51 anything except just to be a blessing to her
28:53 but God used it.
28:56 The result of that was the some of the Islamic
29:02 community in Sydney, they invited me to speak
29:07 in the mosque as a Seventh-day Adventist
29:10 to present whatever message I believed
29:13 that Islam need to hear from a
29:16 Seventh-day Adventist. Amen!
29:19 Now, so here you are invited and
29:22 you're gonna see a Michigan connection
29:24 here a little bit, God just keeps opening marvelous
29:27 doors so he went there and what did you say
29:31 what did you tell folk.
29:34 Well, when I, everything that I spoke
29:40 and I was hesitant, I was nervous,
29:46 but the Muslims very quickly made me
29:48 feel at ease, and when I did start to speak
29:52 sitting down up in a rest room, the hall
29:56 that I speaking in was packed,
29:59 people were standing around the walls.
30:01 So, so I spoke about, who we are a
30:05 Seventh-day Adventist. I used the 391 years
30:12 and 15 day prophecy as the tool.
30:16 The loss of autonomy of the Ottoman Empire
30:20 and on eleventh floor we sat in forty
30:23 and that day for Seventh-day Adventist
30:25 is very important because it is a linchpin
30:29 for the accuracy or our understanding
30:31 of the accuracy of that prophetic message
30:33 and prophetic understanding.
30:35 So, here you have the demise of Ottoman Empire
30:42 from that date you know the rise of this,
30:45 this wonderful understanding of prophecy
30:48 that we have, yes, and they saw that.
30:56 So I, I spoke actually I have some notes
31:00 here to make it simpler for me,
31:01 show us right now. Spoke about, Jesus in the Quran,
31:11 they use. Now that probably a surprise to
31:13 lot of people, people will don't, they often
31:16 think the Muslims don't really know much
31:18 about Jesus, but the truth is He is actually
31:21 in the Quran. Very much so, they up hold
31:26 Jesus Christ says certainly as a prophet
31:30 the word of God, the spirit of God, a sign,
31:37 the mercy of God. They look forward to the
31:42 second coming of Jesus Christ, the return of
31:44 Jesus Christ or Esa Al Masseh is the name
31:47 they used for Jesus the Messiah.
31:50 Esa being Arabic for Jesus
31:53 Al is the word for the, and Masseh with Messiah.
31:59 So, so here in the Quran, I mean the Quran
32:03 looking forward to the coming of Jesus,
32:07 yes, just as we are in a sense,
32:10 they are looking forward to the coming of Jesus.
32:12 So that gives you some common knowledge,
32:14 where did that, where did you go from there?
32:20 The bottom line for Muslims in ourselves is
32:23 of course you know the God their understanding
32:26 of God, the understanding of
32:28 Jesus Christ and so I went to the
32:31 Old Testaments sanctuary just
32:34 explain that. I spoke about the corruption
32:40 of the Bible, the Quran points to the Bible,
32:45 but Muslims believe that because we don't have
32:47 the original manuscripts then with in this
32:50 translations that has been corrupted
32:52 and I spoke in a manner I explained our
33:01 perspective and they were, they were happy
33:04 with that at the end of that,
33:05 and I just add when I started to speak
33:10 I was given the half-an-hour to speak
33:11 it was from 8.30 un till 9.00 pm in the evening,
33:14 was the Friday evening and Sabbath for us.
33:17 When it came to 9 pm I look down to the
33:22 gentleman who would have invited me,
33:25 he is the sheik, and I said I think my
33:28 half hour is up and he said keep going
33:32 take as long as you want this is important.
33:34 So, instead of stopping at 9 pm I stopped at
33:40 10 past 11, but I, I spoke about Israel
33:49 simply being a flag today,
33:52 Israel is a big issue for Muslims as
33:54 we are all aware. And, we believe that Israel
34:00 is on your flag also. I spoke about the
34:04 children of the East started in Genesis
34:06 went through all the way through to
34:08 The Book of Revelation following the children
34:11 of the East all the way, all the way through.
34:14 And at the end of it I spoke about ourselves
34:18 as Seventh-day Adventist and I said that
34:22 if we as Seventh-day Adventist have vines
34:24 growing over our doors even over the doors
34:27 of our churches, then our doors are close
34:33 to God. And, I also flipped it over to the
34:38 Muslims and I said if your doors are close
34:41 to us to the rest of humanity,
34:44 if your doors have wines growing over
34:49 you know the doors today mosque's then speaking
34:54 to the Muslims you know your doors
34:56 are closed too a lot. And, and they got instantly
35:02 and then I, I finished up really by,
35:06 by an invitation to them saying that if ask
35:10 them if I had found faith in their eyes that
35:14 I was willing to come back to explain our
35:19 prophetic message, the prophetic warning
35:21 for all of mankind which I had stress through
35:25 my lecture. And, it was unanimous that I return,
35:31 they were insistent that I return. Amen!
35:35 They actually voted it, they put it to vote,
35:37 am I correct. Yes and they made me stand up
35:39 and, and it's in a room like this and I had to
35:42 look all the hands and they,
35:45 I am not embarrassing anything they were
35:50 all smiling and I mean it was a special moment
35:53 it's one of the honestly it's one of the highlight
35:56 of my life. So you did go back, yes,
35:59 and what did you talk about when you went back?
36:02 When I went back my colleague Sam Bonello
36:08 is an other Australian, there is two of us
36:10 involved in this ministry here in Michigan and we,
36:14 we had to decide we'll had to re-approach
36:17 this and we chose to start with Daniel 2
36:22 in a conventional manner, because if our message
36:29 was accepted by Islam then everybody in this
36:34 room all you men already have the tools
36:37 available to you to share out our prophetic
36:42 warning with the Muslims.
36:44 So we started with Daniel 2 currently
36:46 we are up to Revelation 14.
36:53 We didn't understand initially but after a
36:56 few presentations we learned that it was being
36:59 live streamed to most of the world
37:04 and it's just phenomenal. This, here the teachings
37:12 of the, of this wonderful books of Daniel,
37:15 Revelation going to our Muslim friends
37:18 and you know here in the United States
37:21 because of what happened of course on 9/11 there,
37:25 there are lot of views of Muslims
37:27 that are incorrect. Much of the Muslim world
37:30 are very fine good people, absolutely,
37:34 and we want to do now this particular part
37:38 of the Muslim world that you are connected
37:40 with is one of the most spiritual parts
37:43 of the Muslim world they am I right.
37:46 That's correct yes. They are Sufi,
37:51 now Sufi's can be a Shia they can be Shia
37:55 and they can be Sunni, but there is no question
37:59 that it was, they represents the spiritual
38:02 side of Islam and they are truly spiritual people.
38:06 And, these people, the people I am proud
38:11 to call my dear friends.
38:13 Yes, now you left them a book,
38:16 do you tell us a little bit about that?
38:19 I did leave them a book. The book is called
38:24 The Great Controversy. Amen!
38:26 And, it was the hard copy possession that
38:29 happened to be just by not by designed,
38:32 it happened to be Illustrated Great
38:34 Controversy and it had immediate resonance
38:38 with them. The photographs when they ended up
38:42 they said there is a Muslim photographs,
38:46 photographs that they identified with.
38:48 In a five weeks period that book went
38:51 to Egypt and return. Now this is may shock you,
38:56 certainly shocked me, a girl in our office
39:01 photocopied it six times that's what
39:04 approximately 550 pages time six.
39:09 It was staple together two chapters at a time
39:14 and handed out through the mosque,
39:15 so all the mosque could read this book.
39:20 And when I return to the mosque to start
39:24 delivering out prophetic message we had
39:29 a greeting which I lasted say minute-and-half
39:33 and they immediately went into describing
39:36 this book and telling the story I just told you.
39:39 And, the summary of the book was this is the
39:45 most profound book. And we would agree, amen,
39:52 is a most profound book and has huge implications
39:56 here in the time at the end, oh absolutely.
39:58 And I am so grateful that they've seen the value
40:03 of this and as we've seen the value of this.
40:06 Now, as you've continued to visit with them
40:11 what is going on now? You are back here
40:13 in the United States, so is Rodney,
40:16 I mean not Rodney but Samuel caring this on?
40:19 Sam, Sam is, in the last two days just returned
40:24 from Australia, there was a meeting in Australia
40:27 between the leadership of at church
40:31 Seventh-day Adventist church and
40:35 the representatives of Islam down in Australia
40:40 just because they are in Australia doesn't mean
40:42 that it might be down at the bottom of the world
40:49 but it doesn't mean there this is no influence
40:51 from other parts of the world trust me.
40:54 And, this meeting we had represented this from
40:59 a great from the General Conference.
41:04 The meeting was a huge success and
41:08 where we go to from here we will,
41:10 we will hear in the future but it was positive,
41:16 it was huge success and we'll be moving
41:18 forward to, this is all unchartered territory.
41:23 Now what he is sharing is that out of this came
41:26 an invitation and opportunity for the
41:30 leadership of the General Conference of
41:32 Seventh-day Adventist to me with the leadership
41:35 of the Muslim world in Sydney there,
41:39 and they have met, they had a wonderful meeting
41:42 together, and these are all great bridges that
41:47 we are grateful for. Talk to us a little bit
41:51 about the visions that how Muslims view visions
41:55 are in dreams? Muslims put great importance
42:02 on dreams and you know certainly divine
42:08 dreams they respond to, and they are very,
42:11 very in tune, very sensitive to dreams.
42:14 And, the Quran the book of Quran which is the book
42:22 of course the Muslims use that is to say
42:24 their holy book which I think I've said
42:27 you know points to the Bible. It's speaks about
42:33 the people of the book, the people of the Bible
42:36 the Christians and the Jews and they,
42:41 I am just paraphrasing this, it basically it says
42:45 they are apostate, but within that group of
42:48 people it's a small group that do keep the
42:51 commandments of God and they counted as
42:53 righteous. Now, I mean that has to be us,
42:57 and they had, had to come to that conclusion
43:01 but it's interesting that the sheik had
43:05 a vision to that, to that affect,
43:09 he was very excited he contact to me said that
43:12 he had this vision that Seventh-day Adventist
43:14 the true people of the book. Amen!
43:16 And then there is, there is a whole list of
43:21 comments that have streamed out from that
43:24 which I would like to share if I may,
43:29 I was challenged in the most Christ like manner,
43:33 I might had but I was challenged.
43:39 I just put some old background,
43:40 Islam has been looking for this group of people
43:44 but they've never been able to find until
43:47 they've met us, and I was given a mild rebuke,
43:55 how is it possible that your people
43:57 are 150, 160 years of age, Seventh-day Adventist
44:02 church and Islam has never heard it.
44:06 How is it possible if you, who you claim to be
44:09 that we don't wh you are, now it was just
44:10 a mild rebuke, but quickly these people
44:17 went on to say that Seventh-day Adventist
44:22 have a responsibility before God to take our
44:26 message to the whole world if we don't
44:30 we will be, we'll be judge by God that we not
44:33 to compromise our boundaries,
44:35 our doctrines for anyone. We are not to step
44:39 over our borders not even for a Muslim.
44:46 That, we ought to be a Seventh-day Adventist,
44:54 we've to be like ants busy, busy, busy
44:57 and I mean do we see ants working,
45:00 do they make any noise no, I've never heard
45:03 an ant and they said that's how you need
45:06 to be busy, busy, busy like ants and make
45:10 no noise. We, just use my notes
45:18 to tell me here, that we,
45:28 if ever we have a problem we don't have an answer
45:32 to a problem pray to Jesus.
45:37 That's the advice tools, yeah and we will get out
45:40 our answer. We, there is a very profound comment
45:47 that was made to me that Islam is this huge
45:52 sleeping giant it's been waiting for a spiritual
45:55 trigger to acknowledge it. Now, to me that is a
46:02 profound mark and directed, directed to
46:07 to our denomination. The muslim world
46:13 is now quickly learning who we are.
46:16 The muslim world has been being told that
46:19 we are to be left alone we are not to be converted,
46:24 because we are countered as right just before God.
46:30 Its exciting things happening.
46:33 You know the Lord, the Lord loves 1.2 billion
46:37 people He loves all the people of the world
46:39 and he has you know they correctly identified
46:43 the fact that as Seventh-Day Adventist.
46:45 We have something for everybody,
46:47 we have something for a protestant
46:49 brothers and sisters, we have something
46:50 for a roman catholic brothers and sisters,
46:53 we have, we have something for Atheist
46:55 and agnostics we have something
46:56 for the Hindu world, we have something
47:00 for the muslim world because Jesus them all
47:03 and the whole world needs to hear this message
47:06 of the soon coming savior. You know I think
47:09 there is some real challenges here for us
47:12 to really be that was righteous people
47:15 of that book to actually make sure about
47:19 the grace of God that we can live up
47:22 to that calling. We, we share so much with
47:26 muslim in set at conduct how we live our lives
47:32 and yet I would have to say that many
47:35 of the things that we inspire to certainly
47:38 when it comes to modesty for example you know
47:41 we inspire to modesty and there is no question
47:44 of that, but if we were to you know go to a
47:49 mosque I mean you see an application of modesty
47:53 and there are challenges to us,
47:56 these people want to come they want to learn
48:00 who we are, they want to learn what we know
48:04 and reality is as standard that we are sparked
48:10 to we really have to step up to that standard,
48:12 if we are too really accommodate these people
48:16 where they will feel comfortable.
48:20 We, if I can just switch to America, yes,
48:24 Sam and I went to a conference we are invited
48:26 to get to a conference as Seventh-Day Adventist
48:29 this was the Muslim conference here
48:30 in North America. 40,000 Muslims,
48:36 very similar to our general conference
48:38 session but that happens of the year
48:40 and the main speaker who happened to be
48:48 North America's best popular Islamic Scholar.
48:53 He came seeking trying to find these two
48:57 Seventh-Day Adventists, he found us in amongst
49:00 the booth and he, we had a conversation
49:03 for 35 or 40 minutes he went to the auditorium
49:08 stepped up his speak and he spoke about two
49:11 Seventh-Day Adventist brothers to do had a
49:14 conversation with he spoke about the conversation
49:18 we had and then he and this is televised around
49:21 the whole Islamic world and he upheld the
49:24 Seventh-Day Adventist church.
49:26 Now, that hasn't been an isolated incident
49:31 not to move on such a grand scale but
49:34 it has happened also at else where,
49:38 you know here in North America.
49:40 And, if I can just some simple things that
49:47 you may not know about, about Islam about
49:51 the Quran they tend to keep Friday,
50:00 but the Quran rebukes the Jews they say
50:05 in the Quran it speaks about those who
50:07 don't kept the Sabbath as apes to me,
50:13 and to be and to be despise the men identifies
50:16 the true Sabbath which is important to an Adventist
50:20 you know that's one of our identifying
50:24 your marks. These people you know we've heard
50:31 lecturers in the mosque from Matthew chapter 24,
50:36 the sings of second coming,
50:42 the second coming, we've heard lecturers from
50:47 Ephesians chapter 6 putting on the Armor
50:50 of God to protect oneself to be prepared
50:54 for the principalities of darkness.
50:57 Matthew chapter 6: why do we worry in this world,
51:04 why do we worry when God looks after the birds,
51:08 and in our communities there are people that
51:11 are dying that have no eternal future because
51:17 they don't know their goal, and you know
51:21 we need to be, I think we need to be very careful
51:24 speaking about Islam and Muslims we need
51:29 to be mindful of the Ninth Commandment
51:31 not to be a false witness. And, you know
51:36 we've we are well aware that there is an element
51:39 within Islam that causes world of problem,
51:42 it causes Islam a problem. And, and that concern
51:49 we need to keep at in the context that even
51:54 within our own ranks and certainly within
51:57 Christianity there are some French people
52:01 that yeah it cause the world problems as well.
52:07 And, the bulk of Islam is like the bulk of
52:10 Christianity certainly the bulk of
52:12 Seventh-day Adventism. These are good people,
52:17 these are good people, you know they are
52:20 descendants of Abraham, sort of same as ourselves.
52:23 Yeah, so as you, as you have talk to these folks
52:29 and going back again to Australia they keep
52:34 reaching out to you they keep giving you this
52:37 advice you've got this wonderful message
52:39 be true to your own faith.
52:43 We like what we are hearing that demonstrates
52:46 that there is a longing in the heart of many
52:49 Muslim people and religious leaders of the
52:51 Muslim faith, a longing for the coming of the Lord
52:55 and for an end to this world and it's all of its
52:58 trials and sorrows? Absolutely, they,
53:03 they have an understanding of end time
53:05 events, there is, there is trouble,
53:06 there is calamity coming upon this world,
53:09 they believe that we right on the brink of it.
53:12 This world is not going to last very long,
53:15 we are on the same page. And, if I could just,
53:23 I receive e-mails from these people,
53:26 and I just want to want to share some words,
53:29 they suggest the end some words at the end
53:32 of two emails that was sent to me recently
53:35 and they really touched my heart.
53:39 The first one is and he is finishing up an email
53:43 to me and I ask him, I ask him who holds everything
53:47 in his hand to make this openings and journeys
53:51 to him smooth and fruitful.
53:55 Your friend did unimaginable travel
53:58 to the truth and then just now I didn't, amen,
54:03 just beautiful words, then one that only arrives
54:05 the other day the acceleration of
54:08 enlargement of our relationships with
54:11 Seventh-day Adventist is amazing.
54:14 Obviously God has the plan and pulls
54:18 the strings, we must do our best to understand
54:21 each other, exchange our knowledge
54:24 and start to collaborate. Amen!
54:30 Yours in truth. Here a part what you didn't
54:34 read here it this, please pray for us I love
54:38 and deeply respect you. I miss that I am sorry.
54:41 Yes, and now this was to be yet in a quite
54:51 two weeks ago just leading up the
54:52 meetings in Sydney. You know here in
54:57 North America we you know we've been asked
55:03 for our theological books which are now in a
55:08 Islamic library, some of those books
55:11 you've personally signed and they were almost
55:17 bashful when they asked you know would
55:19 it be possible to have a Seventh-day Adventist
55:23 books. The first book we gave them was of course
55:27 we gave them the Bible, but then we gave them
55:30 so many other books Great Controversy,
55:32 even down Bible Readings for the Home.
55:37 They have had Seventh-day Adventist
55:40 hand book of theology. These people are serious,
55:45 these people are serious they are messing around.
55:48 What can we do at to reach out to our
55:52 Muslim friends, who I am sure filled the weight
55:56 as you say of the tragedies in a society
56:02 that many times they probably feel the anger,
56:05 undeserved anger towards them first,
56:07 what can we do as Seventh-day Adventist
56:10 Christians to be God's love and to be able to
56:14 reach out to our friends as we,
56:16 they are all around us. If I may just use a very
56:21 simple answer for us to be Christ like,
56:24 it really is simple as that for us to be everything
56:28 that we claim to be and it was said to me
56:34 as I was leaving Australia in February one evening
56:38 at the Sydney airport, it was very late
56:41 and the Concord was nearly empty
56:45 and my Muslim friend came along the Concord
56:48 and he had come to say goodbye
56:51 and this is in a big city and where parking is
56:54 horrendous at Sydney airport.
56:58 We got it easier to the church trust me.
57:00 And, he just out of nowhere,
57:04 we spoke for an hour-and-half two hours
57:07 out of nowhere he said Rodney the way to a
57:10 Muslim is not theology, all of theology
57:14 in the world will not work, but if you love us
57:19 and we connect heart to heart,
57:21 heart to heart love we will ask you feel
57:25 theology and that's what happening. Amen!
57:28 You know my appeal to us as Seventh-day Adventist
57:31 Men of Faith. My appeal to us is let's really be
57:36 the real people of this book.
57:39 Let us have our hearts filled with the
57:42 love of Jesus. Amen! Let us not be detracted
57:46 by all the political things that roll around us,
57:48 we have a great and marvelous message
57:51 and Jesus his heart is filled with such love for
57:57 people all over the world and
57:58 for our Muslim friends, and we have something
58:01 we need to share, but let them feel and sense
58:06 our love for Jesus, our love for them,
58:10 and our loyalty and love for this book.


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