Participants: Ivor Meyers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000003A
00:31 We are back in the Book of Revelation.
00:33 Now when we left off in our last session,
00:35 we had just gone through some sanctuary symbolism,
00:38 that's what Ivor shared with us.
00:40 And it was good, it was great,
00:42 I think it's going to be important for us
00:44 though to go through that again.
00:45 I just want us to get a fuller picture
00:49 of the symbolism of the sanctuary.
00:50 And the reason why is because the symbolism
00:53 of the sanctuary is really an outline
00:55 of the plan of salvation.
00:57 The program that we're doing is called Salvation
01:00 in Symbols and Signs.
01:02 And one of the greatest symbols in the Bible of the plan
01:06 of salvation is found in the sanctuary.
01:08 The whole sanctuary service was
01:09 all about the plan of salvation,
01:11 and that's why it's incorporated
01:13 in the Book of Revelation,
01:14 because the Book of Revelation
01:15 is all about the plan of salvation.
01:17 And so, if you only understood the symbolism of the sanctuary
01:21 in the Book of Revelation,
01:22 you didn't understand the beast,
01:24 you didn't understand the dragon,
01:25 you don't understanding anything,
01:26 just the symbolism of the sanctuary,
01:28 you could find the plan of salvation
01:29 laid out perfectly.
01:31 And not only the plan of salvation
01:32 but its historical demarcations
01:34 where it lay, how it plays out in history,
01:37 all the way down on second coming of Jesus,
01:39 just in the symbolism of the sanctuary.
01:41 When I think about, again,
01:44 the fact that this is by divine design.
01:47 It's so amazing to me that God has implanted in this book,
01:53 you know, and throughout the word
01:55 we have elements of the sanctuary
01:57 in different places, so it to me,
02:00 God is just, He is so incredible,
02:02 the way He has given us the plan of salvation.
02:05 Thy way, O Lord, is in the sanctuary.
02:07 So we can see His way through the sanctuary,
02:12 and now you're telling us that
02:15 the sanctuary symbolism is here in Revelation.
02:18 Amen. Absolutely.
02:19 Jason, have a word of prayer for us and let's dive in.
02:22 All right.
02:23 Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank You
02:24 for blessing us with the opportunity
02:26 to even be able to read Your word,
02:30 and we ask that as we study and unpack Revelation
02:33 that You will be with us
02:34 and guide us and tell all truth.
02:36 In Jesus' name we pray, amen.
02:38 Amen. Amen.
02:39 Ivor, pick up where you left off.
02:40 Get us back on track here,
02:42 we want to get into the sanctuary symbolism.
02:44 Right, so as we've looked
02:47 at the Book of Revelation previously,
02:50 we've seen Revelation broken down
02:51 into various sections.
02:54 If we were to juice that, okay,
02:57 Revelation would be broken down really into two sections,
03:00 Revelation 1 to 11,
03:02 right that covers the seven churches,
03:05 seven seals and the seven trumpets.
03:08 And then from Revelation 12,
03:10 what you call the seven salvation signs
03:14 from Revelation 12 on to the end of the book.
03:18 So what we have there is a picture of the sanctuary
03:23 in the first half of the book
03:26 pointing to the candlesticks, the altar of incense
03:31 and the table of showbread, and we'll show that
03:33 in little bit more detail later on.
03:35 And then the last half dealing with those seven signs,
03:38 so how does the sanctuary in the Old Testament
03:43 help us to understand
03:44 what these two halves of the book are about.
03:49 So let's go back again and we'll recap,
03:51 just we're refreshing now with the sanctuary.
03:54 And we saw that in the outer court,
03:55 there was the altar of sacrifice,
03:58 and there was the laver.
03:59 The altar of sacrifice is how God forgives
04:02 and that points to the cross.
04:04 The lamb is taken to this altar and sacrificed with the sins.
04:07 The lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
04:10 Revelation 13.
04:11 And then the laver shows us how God purifies.
04:17 Okay, so if you were to take the New Testament as a whole,
04:23 And understand that Revelation
04:24 is the last part of the New Testament.
04:26 What we discovered
04:27 is that the entire New Testament
04:29 is actually written
04:31 on the pattern of the sanctuary.
04:34 So... The whole New Testament.
04:35 The entire New Testament,
04:37 so think about it, Matthew, Mark,
04:39 Luke, and John.
04:40 What article of furniture do they point us to?
04:42 They point us to the altar of sacrifice...
04:46 Because those four books...
04:47 The lamb, the lamb, slain, slain, slain, right?
04:50 So those are the first four books.
04:52 The next article of furniture, so by the way
04:55 those four books teach us the lesson
04:57 of how God forgives, okay?
05:01 The next article of furniture we saw was the laver,
05:04 how God purifies.
05:06 Well guess, well both comes
05:07 after Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
05:09 You've got the Acts of the Apostles, right?
05:11 And there you have the baptism of the early church,
05:14 and everything from there on, from the Book of Acts
05:18 all the way to Jude is the process
05:20 whereby God cleanses us.
05:22 This is what it means to live a cleansed,
05:26 purified life, okay.
05:28 So it's like gospel instruction.
05:31 Now, remember when we get to the holy place,
05:35 there are three articles of furniture.
05:36 Okay, there is the seven branched candlestick,
05:39 the altar, the table of showbread
05:41 and the altar of incense.
05:43 Well guess what Revelation Chapter 1 introduces us to?
05:47 The seven branched candlesticks.
05:49 Yes, Christ is standing in the midst of it.
05:51 Christ standing in the midst of these seven candlesticks.
05:53 So, whoa, if I'm seeing the pattern then I can expect,
05:58 with the seven churches are unfolding,
06:00 and he actually says the seven candles
06:02 which you saw are the seven churches.
06:05 Okay, well, I'm making a connection here
06:07 between the seven branched candlestick
06:09 of the Old Testament sanctuary
06:11 and the message to the seven churches.
06:14 The very next in Revelation Chapter 4 and 5,
06:17 you have a scene of the table of showbread.
06:21 And we're gonna get into more detail
06:23 about that a little bit later,
06:24 but what you see there is the table of showbread,
06:27 that throne, that is where Jesus is standing,
06:33 we're going to find represents the table of showbread.
06:36 Underneath that table,
06:37 you have the unfolding of the seven seals.
06:42 By the way, it's under the seven seals
06:45 that you have the mentioning of the 1,44,000.
06:50 or 144 is 12 times 12,
06:54 what's on the table of showbread,
06:56 12 loaves of breads.
06:58 So understanding the 1,44,000
07:05 will have a lot to do with our understanding
07:07 of the table of showbread, under which it unfolds.
07:10 So what does the table of showbread represent again?
07:13 So the table of showbread represents the word of God.
07:15 Man shouldn't live by bread alone.
07:17 But it also represents the people of God.
07:18 Remember we talked about 12,
07:20 how in the Old Testament, God's people, right?
07:23 So, you know, give us to stay our daily bread.
07:26 The bread was what Ivor is saying is that
07:28 the bread on the table of showbread was stack
07:30 into two stacks of six,
07:33 which is another interesting point
07:34 because we have 66 books in the Bible.
07:37 So if the bread represents the word of God,
07:39 and there is two stacks of six, six, six.
07:41 And 12, they are representing God's people.
07:43 So it's really the symbolism is,
07:45 it can go on and on and on, it's rich.
07:48 It's beautiful, and that's why
07:49 when you study the Book of Revelation,
07:50 it's like, oh, that's a new thought,
07:52 that's a new thought.
07:53 Oh, 30 years later, oh, that's a new thought.
07:55 Oh, yeah, yeah.
07:56 It keeps unfolding.
07:57 For eternity we are going to be studying these things.
07:59 And this is why I believe it's so important for us
08:01 to study the Bible with the focus
08:05 as Jason brought out on the love story,
08:08 on the lamb, on the plan of salvation.
08:11 Then the villains in the Book of Revelation get,
08:15 have their proper perspective.
08:17 They are second.
08:18 Jesus is first, they are second.
08:20 Our next meet we're going to Jesus first,
08:22 they become secondary, and they don't loom up,
08:25 you know, there is a hymn and the words go like this.
08:29 "Anywhere with Jesus I can safely go."
08:34 Anywhere, fear I cannot know.
08:36 Now, some people say,
08:38 "You know why does God bring out
08:39 all these fearful characters in the Book of Revelation.
08:41 We talked about that earlier, because He wants to prepare us
08:43 for what's around the corner.
08:45 But first He brings us Jesus,
08:46 because anywhere with Jesus I can safely go.
08:49 And so, by the time we get to Revelation 14,
08:53 which is right in the climax of the controversy.
08:55 We have a people who follow the Lamb
08:58 wherever He goes.
09:00 And that's how we get past the beast and the dragon
09:03 and the mark and the image,
09:04 by following the Lamb wherever He goes.
09:06 And they are safe because of Him.
09:08 Yes, in Daniel, you think
09:10 the same picture is delivered to us.
09:12 And the picture is then Michael shall stand up,
09:14 that great prince would stand for the children of thy people,
09:17 and they shall be delivered everyone
09:19 that's written in the book.
09:21 In Revelation 13 it's, everyone's going to worship
09:23 the beast except those who are written in the book,
09:26 so the connection there is similar.
09:28 So what you have here, you know,
09:30 we just saw the seven churches,
09:32 the seven seals unfolding at the table of showbread
09:35 and then the seven trumpets
09:37 unfold under the altar of incense.
09:39 That's Revelation 8 and 9.
09:40 Okay, Revelation 8 actually feud to Revelation 11.
09:44 So those three articles of furniture
09:47 we saw earlier was how God sustains His people.
09:51 I thought I've been forgiven and cleansed.
09:52 How does God sustain me?
09:54 By His word, through intercession,
09:56 and through His light, right.
09:58 Let your light shine,
09:59 study your word everyday, pray everyday.
10:01 That's how we are sustained.
10:03 So guess what? What does that tell us?
10:05 The seven churches, the seven seals,
10:07 and the seven trumpets is a Revelation
10:10 of how Christ sustains His church throughout the ages.
10:17 See, now, here's the interesting thing,
10:20 'cause when we get to the most holy place,
10:22 this is where we see, this is how God eradicate sin
10:27 and sinners, un-repenting sinners.
10:30 While turning your Bible to Revelation 11:19.
10:32 Remember we talked about the two divisions of the book,
10:35 you have one, Revelation 1-11
10:38 and then Revelation 12-22, right?
10:40 In Revelation 11:19,
10:45 we are introduced to the most holy place.
10:48 It says, "And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
10:51 and there was seen in his temple
10:53 the ark of his testament."
10:54 So Revelation 11:19 moves us from holy place imagery
11:01 to a most holy place context.
11:04 And so now...
11:05 In the context of sanctuary symbolism?
11:07 In the context of sanctuary symbolism.
11:08 And so we know that everything from Revelation 12 onward
11:12 is how God is going to finally eradicate the sin problem.
11:16 Yes, because that's what happened
11:18 at the earthly sanctuary,
11:19 so in the earthly sanctuary, everyday there was a sacrifice,
11:22 there was this laver
11:24 where the priest would cleanse themselves
11:25 and go into the holy place.
11:27 And everyday there was an offering
11:28 that was brought into the holy place
11:29 in the morning and the evening,
11:31 a sacrifice is made and offering was made
11:32 and there was a ministry that went,
11:34 took place in the holy place
11:36 for the whole camp for God's people,
11:38 but once a year there was a final atonement
11:40 that took place in the most holy place.
11:43 And that was a symbol, that was a representation
11:45 of what I was saying here of the final cleansing
11:47 of the year for sin and sinners.
11:49 And that's what we see
11:50 in the final half of the book of Revelation.
11:52 That's why the final half of book of Revelation,
11:54 so full of judgments and final seven last place,
11:57 and all those finality.
11:58 Is that then the sanctification pieced?
12:01 The sanctification piece is taking place
12:03 in holy place, but...
12:04 Within the holy place, not the most holy place.
12:07 You could break it down this way.
12:08 Actually, it's a good question.
12:09 If you look at the sanctuary imagery,
12:11 there are three places in the sanctuary images,
12:14 it's the court yard, the holy place
12:16 and the most holy place.
12:17 If you look at the Christian experience,
12:19 there are three stages in our experience.
12:21 There is justification, which is forgiveness of sins.
12:24 That will correlate with the court yard,
12:26 we're forgiven by the blood, then sacrifice is made.
12:30 Then there's sanctification,
12:31 which is where we are empowered to overcome sin.
12:34 How He preserves us.
12:36 That takes place through the word,
12:37 through prayer, through incision,
12:38 through witnessing.
12:40 Then there is glorification,
12:42 when we are finally changed and perfected,
12:44 made perfect in His image.
12:46 And that is the most holy place.
12:47 And so, you could say that Revelation 12 onward
12:50 is the process of glorification.
12:53 Preparing for that glorification,
12:54 'cause for the final glorification,
12:56 which Revelation 12 and onward
12:57 really highlights is going to take place
12:59 at the second coming of Jesus.
13:01 Now, James, I was going to say,
13:02 what happens at the end of the Day of Atonement?
13:05 What did the priest, the high priest do?
13:09 He laid his hands on the head of a scapegoat.
13:13 And a scapegoat was sent out into a desolate place.
13:16 Well, guess what happens in Revelation Chapter 20?
13:19 An angel descends, and the Bible says
13:22 he laid hold on the dragon,
13:24 but if you look at the term laid hold on
13:26 and check it out in your concordance,
13:28 it actually means laid hands on.
13:31 So right there at the end of the process
13:34 of the scenery in the most holy place,
13:38 you have this being descending and laying hands on the dragon
13:43 almost as if sins are being transferred.
13:47 And that dragon is being sent out into a desolate place.
13:52 And so what you have here is that
13:54 entire Book of Revelation,
13:56 go through the process of holy, most holy,
13:59 ending with the feast of tabernacles behold.
14:02 The tabernacle of God is with men.
14:05 That's exactly how the Jewish year went.
14:08 And so looking at that example, we can see here is the pattern
14:13 and the Book of Revelation follows that pattern clear.
14:15 Wow, do you know I have heard some people say,
14:19 it's sacrilegious to say
14:21 that the sins were laid on the scapegoat.
14:25 And the scapegoat represents Satan,
14:27 but supposed to be that our sins were laid on Christ.
14:30 How would you answer that?
14:32 The best answer to that question is found
14:35 when you look at a verse in Hebrews Chapter 9.
14:38 And now Hebrews is all about sanctuary imagery.
14:41 So you want to understand the sanctuary
14:42 from a New Testament perspective,
14:44 you got to be in the Book of Hebrews.
14:47 And as Paul is going through here,
14:49 in Hebrews 9:22,
14:51 he explains something very significant
14:54 about the sanctuary service of the Old Testament
14:58 for the New Testament believer.
15:00 Hebrews 9:22, you want to read that verse for us?
15:04 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood,
15:07 and without shedding of blood is no remission."
15:10 Okay, the scapegoat did not shed blood.
15:15 Scapegoat is no blood as you can see.
15:17 Now see, I hadn't heard that. That's the key right there.
15:20 It is the blood of Christ that cleanses us from all sin.
15:23 The scapegoat specifically, it was not slain.
15:27 It bore the weight of guilt, responsibility for,
15:30 that's why it is a outline,
15:33 a symbol representation of Satan,
15:35 Because he is the one who is ultimately responsible.
15:37 But Jesus took our guilt upon Him
15:39 and shed His blood, He died for us.
15:42 Just like that lamb's throat was cut, he died for us.
15:45 And that bled shed brought remission,
15:46 but Satan's, the guilt that he bears
15:49 doesn't bring any remission, he is no savior.
15:50 So the actual laying on of hand's then is,
15:53 it's not with the expectation
15:57 that our sin is taken away by the scapegoat.
15:59 It's the responsibility.
16:01 Yes, here is the difference,
16:02 when the hands of the sinner was laid on the lamb
16:05 in the court yard, the lamb was then slain.
16:09 His throat was cut, his blood was spilled
16:11 and the blood itself was taken in the sanctuary
16:13 to atone for sin.
16:14 When Satan has the hands laid on,
16:16 when the scapegoat has the hands laid upon him,
16:17 symbolically representing Satan.
16:19 He is not slain, and he is not taken
16:21 into the sanctuary, nothing is taken
16:22 into the sanctuary, he is led out
16:24 into the wilderness to die.
16:25 That's good.
16:27 It's your fault, you've been irresponsible.
16:28 Yes, that's rich, good, thank you.
16:30 I think that could answer a quite
16:33 'cause that is the question...
16:34 Key difference between the two,
16:36 and there is no remission of sin without that,
16:37 so, no matter what you say about that scapegoat,
16:40 it doesn't remit sins, or it's not a savior.
16:42 Right, well, that's good.
16:44 I remember in Leviticus, Psalm 16,
16:46 it actually says, one goat was the Lord's goat,
16:50 and the other the scapegoat.
16:52 So the question is, if these,
16:54 both these goats belong to the Lord,
16:55 why would one be called the Lord's goat.
16:57 Yeah. Oh, that's good.
16:58 You know, it's obvious that if one is for the Lord,
17:03 then the other which is called something else
17:05 must not be for the Lord.
17:08 Good point.
17:10 And the process of that
17:12 whole process of cleansing is super important.
17:15 And I like to kind of explain it like this,
17:17 'cause we go through this process
17:19 like everyday in our houses, you know,
17:21 when you, everyday you clean your house
17:25 and you put the garbage at the side of the house.
17:28 You're free from the garbage in a sense,
17:31 but you know you've got, the garbage is still with you.
17:34 On one day of the week, the day...
17:37 Come on. Come on. Come on.
17:40 You will get that garbage shed out...
17:42 You know, the garbage one is out to the front.
17:44 Guess what?
17:46 You're going to be stuck with that garbage, right?
17:48 So that's the process,
17:49 the divine garbage truck, right,
17:53 comes on that special day and takes that garbage where,
17:57 out to a desolate place.
17:59 This is exactly...
18:01 To the dump... To the dump.
18:02 Oh, I love that.
18:03 This is exactly what Jesus does,
18:05 He says listen, I have been collecting your sins
18:07 and yes, you are forgiven
18:08 but there is still a memory of sins.
18:10 When this process is done,
18:12 there is no remembrance of sins, right?
18:16 So that whole process again is revealed
18:19 in the Book of Revelation.
18:20 So as we begin to understand this pattern,
18:24 now we can jump in and say, okay, yeah,
18:26 this part of the Book of Revelation,
18:28 this part of the Book of Revelation,
18:29 I can see the sanctuary coming out of it,
18:31 and that just gives you a better footing
18:35 to grasp what's been discussed in the book.
18:39 Amen. Illustration.
18:40 Isn't it? Perfect.
18:42 And it's really beautiful
18:44 because again the whole sanctuary symbolism
18:47 of the Old Testament is being brought to be
18:50 right here in Revelation.
18:51 And in this transition,
18:53 now, I want you to notice something here,
18:54 it's really interesting.
18:55 In this transition point, Revelation 11:19,
18:59 you have us seen for the first time,
19:02 the most holy place which is identified here
19:04 as the "The temple of God being opened in heaven,
19:07 and the, in his temple was seen the ark of his testament."
19:13 And that is the place
19:15 where the Ten Commandments were kept.
19:17 Which is the same as the Ark of the Covenant?
19:19 Yes, the Ark of the Covenant.
19:20 Well, the testament is the covenant.
19:22 Is the covenant. Yeah.
19:23 And, so, we're looking now into the Ark of the Testament,
19:26 the Ark of the Covenant in the most holy place
19:28 and we are looking at the Ten Commandments.
19:29 We are transitioning now to the final phase
19:32 of salvation history.
19:34 Before Revelation 11:19,
19:37 Revelation 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
19:42 never is the commandments of God mentioned.
19:46 They are not there.
19:48 As soon as we get to the most holy place,
19:52 as soon as we move into the most holy place,
19:55 we see the Ark of the Testament,
19:56 now all the sudden we have a people
19:58 who keep the commandments of God.
20:00 Oh, come on now.
20:01 What are they doing?
20:02 They are stepping into this final phase,
20:04 this glorification phase, this final phase,
20:06 this mystery of God is going to be finished,
20:08 they step and this took place in our history,
20:10 this took place post 1844.
20:12 So I sense you could say, that most,
20:15 the majority of the prophecies
20:17 of the first half of the book are pre 1844.
20:21 And the prophecies that we're going to be looking at
20:23 by far the large part of these prophesies
20:25 'cause each one of them touches on like
20:27 all of the churches and seals and trumpets,
20:29 touches on the second coming of Christ.
20:31 And even Revelation 12 and 13,
20:33 looks back at the history that has already.
20:36 But the point of looking back is to take us forward,
20:39 and the point of all this history is
20:41 to move us to the second coming.
20:42 But the primary emphasis of these prophecies
20:45 in Revelation 12 and onward is going to be post 1844.
20:49 And it's going to be point to a people
20:51 who will keep the commandments of God,
20:52 who keep the commandments of God,
20:53 who keep the commandments of God,
20:55 and the faith of Jesus, and the faith of Jesus.
20:56 So this is how the sanctuary tells us
20:59 where we are in history.
21:00 Historically, that's why historically
21:03 you can't apply the trumpets and the seals
21:05 in the churches post 1844.
21:09 You can't, because the sanctuary symbolism
21:11 tells us it's pre 1844.
21:12 The sanctuary symbolism actually identifies
21:15 these symbols as the holy place time,
21:17 and the holy place time is pre 1844.
21:19 Absolutely, in other words the holy place events
21:21 don't occur after the Day of Atonement.
21:23 Right they occur before the Day of Atonement.
21:26 So the first part of the sanctuary service,
21:30 a holy place, the last part most holy place.
21:33 So seeing that these trumpets, seals
21:36 and our churches unfold under candlestick,
21:41 altar of incense, table of showbread.
21:43 You now know, okay, yeah,
21:45 I can't take the seven churches and say that's future,
21:48 how do I know that? Because that would destroy
21:50 the sanctuary symbolism.
21:53 Because it's in order,
21:55 It's in order.
21:56 There is a divine pattern.
21:57 This is... This is, isn't it rich, Jay?
22:00 That's what I say.
22:02 Yeah, I have to study, study, study.
22:05 That is so rich.
22:07 I want to reemphasize that, we talked about checking our,
22:11 like math problem, you check it.
22:12 Well, God has even given us the feast days
22:15 to show us the same thing, okay.
22:17 So the first four feast days Passover, unleavened bread,
22:21 first fruits, all point to the sacrifice of Christ.
22:24 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
22:25 What's the next feast? Pentecost.
22:29 That's the Book of Acts, right?
22:31 The next feast is the trumpets
22:33 which are a warning of coming judgment.
22:36 So we can say from Romans all the way into Revelation,
22:40 all the way up to Revelation Chapter 11
22:43 are all warnings of judgment is coming, judgment is coming.
22:45 Then Revelation 11:19, Day of Atonement.
22:50 So from Revelation 11:19,
22:51 the final feast, Day of Atonement,
22:53 all the way to Revelation 20
22:55 and then guess what Revelation 21 and 22 end with?
22:57 The Feast of Tabernacles.
22:59 God is gonna tabernacle,
23:00 my tabernacle would be with them.
23:02 And I would be with them.
23:03 I would dwell with them.
23:04 Absolutely, so understanding these,
23:06 you know, we think about,
23:08 I'm just going to jump to Book of Revelation,
23:09 but really it's an understanding
23:11 of the sanctuary patterns and those things,
23:15 you know, think of Revelation as the rooftop
23:17 and the Old Testament as the foundation.
23:20 If you get the foundation right,
23:22 then the rooftop is going to be straight,
23:25 secure, but a lot of people jump into Revelation
23:28 without securing the foundation.
23:32 And so, you got all kinds of things coming out the roof
23:34 and there is no rhythm, rhyme or pattern.
23:38 Yeah, yeah, wow!
23:39 It really helps because what we're doing now is
23:42 we're setting the foundation that allows us
23:44 to be pretty sure in the way
23:47 that we interpret these symbols.
23:49 And that's what's important, is under...
23:52 I mean when I first read Revelation's trumpets,
23:54 so I'm reading Revelation trumpets,
23:55 I'm going through here in Revelation Chapter 9,
23:58 I know we are jumping around a little bit here,
23:59 but this is a good analogy.
24:01 And I come to Revelation Chapter 9,
24:03 and I read in verse 4,
24:05 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt
24:07 the grass of the earth,
24:09 neither the green thing, neither any tree,
24:11 but only those men which have not the seal of God
24:13 in their foreheads."
24:15 Now as a new believer,
24:16 I have been studying about the seal of God
24:18 and that's an end time thing.
24:19 By the way, there are aspects of the church's seals
24:22 and trumpets which were all end time
24:24 because they take us down through history,
24:25 so the last church,
24:27 the last seal, the last trumpet,
24:29 those are all end time, you understand.
24:31 Okay, so I read this and I'm thinking,
24:34 the seal of God, Revelation 9,
24:36 this must be post 1844,
24:38 this is the seal of God, you see.
24:40 And for long time I thought futurist
24:42 because these trumpets must be all future
24:44 because this is the seal of God and that's an end time thing.
24:46 Then I read in Revelation Chapter 9
24:49 and now notice this in Revelation 9,
24:51 this is the next world, that was the first world,
24:53 this is the second world and it says verse 13.
24:56 Jason, would you read that verse for us, Revelation 9:13?
25:00 "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice
25:02 from the four horns of the golden altar
25:05 which is before God."
25:06 The four horns of the golden altar,
25:08 you know what altar that is?
25:09 That's the altar of incense. That's in the holy place.
25:12 So it's not the...
25:14 It's not, you got it, you got it.
25:16 Just from the sanctuary symbolism,
25:18 we have just identified the fact
25:19 that whatever is taking place in here is still holy place,
25:22 that's still pre 1844 right there.
25:25 So then I had to go back and I had to say,
25:26 well, was the seal of God ever talked about
25:29 other than in the end of time, and I realized it is.
25:32 In Ephesians Chapter 1 and Ephesians Chapter 4,
25:34 it talks about God's people being sealed
25:36 with the seal of God in earnest of the Holy Spirit.
25:38 In other words, the seal of God isn't just an end time idea.
25:42 It's funny because, you know, we as Bible students,
25:45 one of the things we often quote is,
25:47 Isaiah 8:16
25:49 "Seal the law among my disciples."
25:52 And that was way back in the Old Testament.
25:54 Yeah. Yeah.
25:55 You know, so what we have to see
25:57 is that there are patterns to how,
26:00 there are laws that govern how we interpret.
26:04 We don't just say, okay,
26:06 I think this should mean this,
26:07 no we got to figure out the laws
26:09 and then let everything we interpret
26:11 fall into the laws.
26:13 If it doesn't fall into the laws,
26:14 we have to push it out because these laws are,
26:18 you know, they are what governing
26:19 our interpretation, not the other way around.
26:22 So one of those laws, or one of those principles
26:24 that we just talked about is the sanctuary symbolism.
26:26 Does where we put this fit
26:28 and meet the sanctuary symbolism?
26:30 Another law of principle is repeat and enlarged.
26:34 In other words, is the way we are interpreting this,
26:36 fitting into the repeat and enlarge sequence?
26:39 Another law of principle that we're looking at
26:41 is Christ, the plan of salvation.
26:45 Does this fit the plan of salvation,
26:47 the outline of the plan of salvation
26:48 that we've seen in the Bible, the message
26:50 that's communicated in the Bible?
26:51 And as we start identifying, we can call them laws
26:54 and principles of interpretation,
26:56 it's really going to help us
26:57 to understand the Book of Revelation.
27:00 It's going to be able to help us to piece in together
27:01 point by point and see where things fit
27:04 and keep us from the error that comes in
27:07 when we just, we don't have any of that foundation,
27:08 we are not sure what to do
27:10 you know, because, whoa, this could mean this,
27:12 that could mean this, it could fit here,
27:13 it could fit there.
27:14 And God in His wisdom
27:16 has put the Book of Revelation together in this way
27:19 so that if we will take the time
27:20 to understand these principles, it will all come together.
27:24 It's kind of like a jigsaw puzzle,
27:26 you like doing the jigsaw puzzle?
27:27 No. No?
27:30 It is a challenge.
27:31 I hate to say over though, I know, I know.
27:33 Well, we will talk a little bit about that.
27:35 I love the illustration of jigsaw puzzle.
27:37 Now, we've run out of time right now,
27:39 but we'll talk a little bit about the jigsaw puzzle
27:41 and how that works in relation or illustrates
27:43 that the way we study Revelation,
27:45 the way we study prophecy in our next session.
27:47 Well, let's just close with a word of prayer.
27:49 Jason, would you pray with us? Sure.
27:51 Dear Heavenly Father, we thank You for being with us,
27:53 as we've been discussing Revelation.
27:57 Please be with the people that are watching this program
28:00 and help them to get a better understanding as well.
28:06 Please be with us and help us
28:08 to retain this information, in Jesus' name we pray, amen.
28:12 Amen. Amen.