Participants: Ivor Meyers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000005A
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00:31 This is fantastic...
00:33 we are about four meetings in to the Book of Revelation 00:36 and we are realizing 00:39 that this is going to be a long-term project, 00:41 our goal, of course, has been to move through the Book 00:44 in fact we could have called this, "Moving through the Book," 00:46 it's, "Salvation, Symbols and Signs" 00:49 or "Revelation Simplified," there's just so much here 00:54 and I think, Jason, you were mentioning 00:56 that you might even have your AARP Card... 00:59 Jason: By the time we get through it, yeah... 01:02 I'll be retired and be like a grandpa... 01:04 And that's... and that's... and that's good... 01:07 Yvonne: In fact, we'll be grandparents, you and me... 01:09 James: I'm there already... 01:13 No, that's good because our goal 01:14 is not to rush through the Book, 01:16 our goal is to go through it systematically 01:19 verse by verse, point by point, 01:21 truth by truth so that... 01:23 so our Viewers can really get 01:25 a grasp of the Book of Revelation, 01:27 so that we can really get a grasp of the Book of Revelation 01:28 and I don't know about you guys 01:30 but even when I've studied this Book for over 30 years, 01:33 I've been learning things 01:34 as we've been going through this that I didn't know before, 01:36 I think that's part of our goal, 01:38 we want to be open for the Holy Spirit to actually teach us 01:41 while we're going through the Book, 01:43 and I thought it would be really good, 01:45 we've gone through four meetings so far, 01:47 we've done an overview, we've done an introduction, 01:49 we've looked at the Sanctuary symbolism, 01:51 we've looked at Jesus first and some of the themes 01:55 and some of the tools, if you will... to the Book, 01:59 you know, when we buy stuff... when I go to IKEA, 02:03 I buy a bookshelf or a piece of furniture 02:06 and when I get it home in the box, 02:07 I'll take out the instructions and the instructions will say, 02:10 "Here are the tools you're going to need to put this together, 02:13 you're going to need a screwdriver, 02:15 you're going to need a hammer, et cetera," 02:16 you know how it is and, you know, sometimes guys... 02:19 I don't know why... or what it is about us 02:21 but sometimes we just want to put that thing together 02:22 and not worry about the tools, we just want to figure it out, 02:25 not even right before we read the instructions, 02:27 Yvonne: I know, I know, it's true. 02:30 I'll tell you what! I've learned over the years 02:31 it may take a little time to read those instructions 02:34 and get those tools together 02:35 but it's a lot faster when you get it done right 02:38 and that's the goal for this Book of Revelation 02:41 we want to jump in, 02:42 and we want to just kind of figure it out, 02:44 no... we need to look at the instructions 02:45 and to look at the tools... 02:47 use the tools that God has given us, 02:48 and so we're laying out these tools, 02:50 these tools are basically principles 02:51 that help us to understand how the Book is laid out, 02:54 and we've... we've touched on a number of those principles 02:57 so let's... let's just start... 02:58 open up here with a word of prayer 03:00 and as we... as we get into the Book, 03:02 let's review... let's recap for us and those listening, 03:05 let's recap what we've learned so far, 03:06 Yvonne, would you like to pray for us? 03:08 Sure... "Father God, what a privilege it is 03:10 to come before You, the Creator of the universe, 03:14 the Divine Designer, our friend 03:17 and we can lay everything at your feet 03:19 and right now, we're asking you 03:21 to be in this conversation, 03:22 to let your Spirit who is responsible 03:25 for guiding us into all truth, let your Spirit be with us, 03:28 let your anointing be here, Lord... 03:31 your presence be felt and help us, Lord God, 03:34 as we move through the Book, help us to understand, 03:37 comprehend and to be able to apply what we learn 03:41 thank you again for all that you do 03:43 and for who you are, in Jesus' name... amen... 03:46 All: Amen... 03:47 Ivor, I'm thinking about this... 03:49 tell me what you think... 03:50 we have a lot more 03:52 experience in Revelation 03:54 and perhaps we'll remember more of these things 03:56 because we've studied them more, so I'm thinking, 03:59 we should let these guys go first, 04:00 like... "What do you guys remember?" 04:02 And then we can fill in the gaps... what do you think? 04:04 Yeah, I think it's a good idea, just before we do that, 04:07 you were talking about the tools 04:09 and how we often like to skip the tools 04:12 and just try to put it together, but there is the... 04:16 the other problem of asking 04:18 someone else to put it together for us, 04:20 you know, "Hey, I don't even know it, 04:22 you do it, you're the expert... " 04:24 people will often come to the Book of Revelation 04:27 looking for someone else to put it together for them 04:31 and so, what we're trying to do on this Program, 04:34 is give you the tools and the confidence 04:38 to know that if you have the right tools 04:42 and you have the right principles, 04:44 you don't need an expert, you can look at the... 04:49 at the framework and say, 04:53 "Yeah, this goes here, this goes here" 04:55 and it empowers you as a student of the Word of God 05:00 to be able to understand your conclusions 05:04 and to know that they make sense 05:06 and to know that... "Yeah, I'm not off in... 05:09 left field somewhere this looks accurate" 05:12 so, yeah, I absolutely think it's a great idea 05:16 that as you were going through this, 05:19 you guys can recap and say, 05:20 "Hey listen, this is... am I right or am I wrong on this? 05:23 These are the principles that we've learned 05:25 and this is how we learn to apply it, so yeah... 05:29 let's go ahead... hear what you guys... 05:31 now you're in the hot seat. 05:33 Now, with that, correct me if I'm wrong 05:38 when I'm going over this stuff... 05:39 Ivor: Sure... sure... 05:41 All right... so we learned about some really important 05:43 numbers... the number three... 05:46 represents like... life and death, 05:49 you have the number four 05:51 which is inclusive of all the people on the earth worldwide... 05:54 the north, east, south... 05:56 north, south, east and west type of thing, 06:00 the number 12 represents God's Kingdom, 06:03 Old and New Testament... 06:06 then we have the number seven 06:09 which represents a complete cycle of time 06:11 so, there are a lot of numbers, 144,000 and 2300 days... 06:21 which I'm sure we'll touch on 06:23 but those are some of the things that I remember. 06:26 Yeah, those... that's great... those are really key 06:29 to understanding some of the things that are taking place, 06:32 the understanding of those numbers 06:33 because again, the Book is symbolic 06:35 and the numbers represent more than just numerical value, 06:39 they might have a symbolic representation. 06:41 One of the things that really stuck out with me 06:45 is the whole idea of the Sanctuary symbolism 06:49 because I had not... in my reading... 06:52 previously... that had not... 06:55 I had not connected with that so that's really juicy for me 07:00 because it kind of gives me... 07:02 again, a framework for the overview, 07:06 if you have that overview... that framework that... 07:10 that outlining of principles, like "repeat and enlarge," 07:13 you can then navigate through the Book 07:18 and kind of know how to apply that as you navigate, 07:22 and what you just said 07:23 was really important, Pastor Ivor, 07:26 about being able to do this on your own, 07:29 not looking to you guys necessarily, 07:32 to be our "experts" even though you are, 07:34 you're giving us the tools that we need 07:37 to study this on our own, 07:39 God gave us minds, so, we are to use the intellect 07:43 and talents that we have to learn 07:46 we're getting the tools from you 07:49 and then we take those tools and apply it so that's important 07:52 with the Sanctuary... I made some notes... 07:54 the way the Sanctuary was laid out, 07:58 you have the Outer Court, 08:00 you have the Holy Place and Most Holy Place, right, so, 08:04 you have the Alter of Sacrifice and the Laver, 08:09 the Alter of Sacrifice and the Laver, 08:12 the Alter of Sacrifice represents the lamb 08:16 which is Jesus Christ, all right, 08:18 and then the Laver is the purification 08:21 so it's actually forgiveness and purification 08:24 represented in those two areas in the Sanctuary 08:27 and then... we've got in the Holy Place, 08:30 the Table of Shewbread, the Alter of Incense, 08:33 the Candlestick and... I can't read my own writing, 08:38 and it says... so, those three things are: 08:43 how God sustains the repentant sinner, 08:47 so all of these things... 08:49 we can find represented in Revelation 08:54 which I had never seen before 08:56 and then, one of the things that you said, Pastor James, 09:00 that was so good for me was that 09:02 the whole pre- and post-1844 interpretation 09:06 and I had never seen that either 09:09 so if the Alter of Sacrifice is mentioned, 09:13 then we know that that's pre-1844 09:17 so all of that... I never knew that before, 09:20 this is so great for me because I love learning all that stuff 09:24 so that plus the numbers that Jay mentioned... 09:29 those things are really important 09:32 and then the whole "repeat- and enlarge-thing," 09:34 we're going to see here, 09:36 then you're going to see it here with a little bit more detail, 09:39 then you're going to see here with a little bit more detail 09:42 and so, you're seeing the Divine Designer in action, 09:46 you're seeing how you just broadens this whole thing 09:51 He's making sure that we know it and the last thing... 09:55 you guys didn't hear me before. 09:57 James: The more you say the less we have to. 10:01 Yvonne: And the last thing... 10:02 is the whole, which for me 10:04 as being like the romantic person that I am, 10:07 is a love story, Jesus loves us so much 10:10 that He would put in this book 10:14 how He's going to protect, provide and profess 10:19 his love... which is us... 10:22 so, to me, 10:24 thinking that Revelation now is a love story, that's beautiful. 10:30 Ivor: Divine Romance... 10:32 Yvonne: Divine romance... I love it, 10:34 that's another title we can use... 10:36 Ivor: Divine Romance... Yvonne: Divine Romance. 10:39 I just want to touch on this, Yvonne, since you brought it up 10:42 so that we can all be really clear on the language, there's, 10:46 there's... the language itself is found 10:48 in Revelation chapter 21, 10:50 it says here in Revelation chapter 21 10:54 and verse 9, 10:57 "And there came unto me one of the seven angels 11:01 which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, 11:04 and talked with me, saying, Come hither, 11:06 and I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. " 11:10 There's the... the language is explicit... 11:13 it's just not symbolic, it's explicit 11:15 and so you have this... these... 11:17 these seven letters to the churches, 11:19 these are love letters, 11:20 in fact in the last letter He said, 11:22 "as many as I love" and all the way through 11:26 you have Jesus Christ wooing and calling... 11:30 the Book of Revelation could be summarized in that sense 11:32 by John 12:32, "And I, if I be lifted up 11:36 will draw all unto me... " 11:37 He's knocking on the door, 11:39 He's throwing the little pebbles at the window, 11:41 He's beckoning, beckoning, beckoning, 11:44 "Come, come, follow me, follow me, follow me... " 11:46 and finally there is a group of people 11:48 that follow the Lamb wherever He goes, 11:50 they don't love their lives 11:51 and they've fallen in love with Jesus 11:53 and they... and they... this is manifest 11:56 in Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12 11:59 by two verses that indicate that there's a people 12:03 who keep the commandments of God, 12:05 now if you compare that with John, 12:07 the gospel of John, chapter 14 and verse 15, 12:11 you'll find what Jesus says there, 12:14 "If you love me, keep my commandments" 12:16 they've fallen in love with... 12:18 the fact that they keep the commandments of God 12:20 indicates they've fallen in love with Jesus, 12:21 "If you love me, keep my commandments" 12:23 now prior to that time there are a number of... 12:25 I would say, religious experiences 12:28 that we have, that others have... 12:30 that... that the world has 12:32 that keep the commandments of God out of obligation, 12:34 the Jews kept the commandments of God out of obligation... 12:37 not all of them but many of them that turned from Christ 12:40 and crucified Christ, they still kept the commandments 12:43 they wanted to keep the Sabbath, 12:44 but it was obviously out of obligation, 12:46 they hadn't fallen in love with Jesus... 12:47 they hadn't fallen in love with God, 12:49 but here's a people who are going to fall in love... 12:51 so in love with Him that, "well, if you love me... " 12:53 then they're going to keep His commandments. 12:55 So that love story theme is just beautiful 12:57 and I really appreciate... as we talked about that, 12:59 Ivor kind of brought this out and I said, 13:01 I knew that words were there, 13:02 "oh, the bride... the bridegroom... " 13:04 but as he... it's the... 13:06 it's a theme, it's s tool, it's the tape measure, 13:09 it's the hammer, it's the screwdriver, 13:11 whatever it is, it's a theme, I thought, 13:12 "Whoa, we really have to nail that because that is powerful. " 13:16 Yvonne: Powerful, yes. 13:17 Okay, anymore that you guys can remember, 13:20 anything else that you can remember 13:21 before we add a few to it? 13:22 Jason: Just that there's pretty much like a check... 13:26 checks- and balances-type system so... 13:29 like you were saying, you can realize... 13:32 you can find out whether or not you're in left field 13:35 or if what you're learning is correct and true 13:38 and test it and prove it. 13:40 James: Love it... Ivor: It's all good... 13:43 Yvonne: It's rich... this is some rich stuff right here 13:45 and I'm thankful because, again, 13:47 it's giving me a different feel for the Book 13:51 because it... actually I mean, 13:53 and I'm sure that I'm not the only one that feels this way, 13:55 you know, I've read it but I'm like, 13:57 "I'm just reading through it just like... reading it... 13:59 just not... " not connecting the dots 14:01 so what you are telling us is helping to connect the dots. 14:06 James: Amen... Yvonne: Well, praise God... 14:08 All right so... another principle I think 14:11 is important for us to look at too, is Jesus first... 14:13 we talked about that... we mentioned it 14:16 but it's in the Book of Revelation... 14:18 it is clear that Christ is the first thing that John is shown, 14:24 the first person that John is shown, 14:25 the first vision that John is shown is a vision of Christ 14:27 and the first message that John is given 14:29 is the message of Christ's love, 14:31 it's the gospel in Revelation 1 verse 5 14:34 from him who loved us and washed us from our sins 14:37 in His own blood and it's the vision of Christ 14:39 amidst and among the candlesticks 14:42 that John has first seen, 14:43 it's not showing the vision of the dragon 14:45 or the beast or the horses... any... 14:47 he's shown a vision of Christ and, you know, we talked about 14:50 the words of that hymn, "Anywhere with Jesus... " 14:53 Yvonne: Yes, "I can safely go... " 14:55 James: "Anywhere, anywhere... fear I cannot know... " 14:58 and so that's the point, 15:00 the point is that the Book of Revelation 15:02 introduces us to the One who displaces all fear 15:05 because Jesus... God is love... 15:07 and the Bible says in 1st John chapter 4, 15:10 that love casts out all fear. 15:12 So we want that love... that will cast out all that fear 15:16 so Jesus first is another principle, 15:18 if you're studying the Book of Revelation, 15:20 look for Jesus, look for Him first 15:22 and He is going to be able to guide you 15:24 as you focus on Him, He will be able to guide you. 15:26 Jason: And that's not usually presented that way, 15:30 it's usually the beast, the leopard and the spots 15:31 and all these other stuff, 15:33 they're not usually presented in that... 15:35 James: Which is there but it is in chapter 13, 15:37 and many times we want to jump in there, 15:39 when I was... Ivor talked about this 15:41 in his experience, when I was a teenager... 15:44 and I was raised as a Christian, 15:46 I said my prayers every night whether I was drunk or sober 15:49 but I didn't have a relationship with God 15:51 but I was interested in Revelation 15:54 and we watched the same movies about, you know, 15:56 all this stuff and what the 666 is 15:58 and I remember when we... 16:00 we partied and we'd opened up the Book of... 16:02 we'd talk about Revelation 13... 16:04 666... 16:06 so in our minds, Revelation 13 was 666... 16:08 Revelation... and what... Jesus, Jesus... no, no, no... 16:12 Revelation 13 is 666, that's it... 16:14 that's the Book of Revelation, it's all scary stuff 16:18 so, we missed the first half of the Book many times 16:21 and God... I believe... understands 16:23 that the world itself and we as individuals 16:27 are attracted by the idea of all of the mystery and the number 16:31 and so it's there to attract us. 16:34 Most people that you'll talk to... 16:36 if you're out doing door-to-door work 16:39 and you have two books and one says, 16:41 "Steps to Christ" 16:43 the other one says, "The Mark of the Beast" 16:44 "Oh, give me the book on the Mark of the Beast, 16:46 I want to know about the Mark of the Beast," 16:47 see, a lot people are in that... so God allows that 16:50 because He knows that would get our interest 16:52 but, lo and behold, what do you know? 16:54 Here is a book about the Mark of the Beast 16:56 that actually starts with Jesus, 16:58 well, what do you know about that? 17:00 And so that's where I think we want to be, 17:02 is... we want to be starting where God starts, 17:04 God starts with Christ and we want to start with Christ. 17:07 You guys talked about tools 17:11 and having the tools and reading the instructions beforehand, 17:14 people might be wondering like what... 17:16 just like how you have course work, right, 17:19 when you're in college, there are certain prerequisites 17:21 you have to take before you get into your Major, 17:23 so what are the prerequisites 17:25 for reading the Book of Revelation 17:28 and understanding the Book of Revelation? 17:30 James: That's a good question. 17:31 I would say, first of all, 17:35 the Book of Daniel and Revelation go hand-in-hand 17:38 and Daniel was written first for a reason, 17:41 the Book of Revelation is based upon the Book of Daniel 17:45 and so, we're going to be covering Daniel in this series 17:50 as well... or in this Program as well, 17:52 a little bit further down the road 17:55 but understanding the Old Testament in general... 17:59 the Book of Revelation is the consummation 18:01 of all the books of the Bible, 18:02 okay so, from the Book of Revelation 18:05 you're going to find ideas and themes 18:09 that were woven throughout the entire Scripture 18:11 which almost sounds kind of daunting, 18:14 "You mean, I have to study the whole Bible 18:16 in order to get the Book of Revelation?" 18:17 James: That's the prerequisite, 18:19 you've got to be a student of the Bible... 18:21 Ivor: Yeah, in reality, it's... 18:23 this is how I'd like to compare it, 18:26 imagine in your... 18:30 I don't know if you ever played the game called "Concentration" 18:33 when I was a child, you know, you have the cards 18:35 and you... all the cards are facing down 18:38 and then you flip a card... you have to find the match 18:41 right? somewhere else 18:43 and so, as you're going through the game, 18:44 you have to remember, 18:46 "Man, where was that... five or where was that... three?" 18:48 And when you find a match you're like, "Ah, I got it. " 18:51 The Book of Revelation is much like that, 18:54 compared to the whole Bible, 18:55 so as we're reading these stories in the Old Testament, 18:59 you're going to find themes 19:01 in the Book of Revelation and you're... 19:03 "Where, where have I seen this before or something like it?" 19:07 And when you can identify those pictures and make a match, 19:10 you get excited, "Oh, man, look... " 19:13 so, the key thing is, 19:15 you have to have those pictures in your mind, 19:17 right? you have to have the... 19:19 you have to have those pictures, 19:20 you have to be familiar with those stories 19:23 of the Old Testament, so, for example, 19:26 in the Book of Revelation, 19:28 there's a story about three unclean... 19:30 there's a particular verse about three unclean spirits 19:32 come out like... like frogs coming out of the mouth of 19:35 the Beast, Dragon and the False Prophet, 19:38 "Where have I heard about frogs before? 19:40 Oh, you know what? I've heard about frogs before 19:43 in the story of the plagues of Egypt... " 19:45 so, now I'm going to go back there to see 19:48 does the story of the plagues of Egypt give me any insights 19:51 into the frogs in Revelation chapter 6, right? 19:54 So the more we're able to do things like that, 19:57 right, that's the basis for which... 20:01 those are the... the... 20:03 you know we talked about the tools and then... 20:05 you're putting a bike together, 20:06 you got the tires, you got the... 20:08 all the different parts for the bike, 20:10 the different parts for the Book of Revelation, 20:12 are in the other books of the Bible. 20:15 So once we can get those ideas and bring them together, 20:19 that is the prerequisite 20:22 to understanding the Book of Revelation. 20:24 Yeah, that's powerful 20:26 and we see that over and over again, 20:27 and when we get into the churches, 20:29 we'll read about, for example, Balaam, 20:30 we'll read about Jezebel 20:32 and that's why it helps us 20:34 because we recognize that these are 20:36 Old Testament illusions or illustrations, 20:39 these are Old Testament characters 20:40 that have been brought into the Book of Revelation, 20:42 they're not literal people now 20:44 in the literal churches that are mentioned here, 20:48 these are illusions to people whose story inform us 20:51 about what's going on in the history of these churches 20:54 and so you go back to the story, 20:56 you've gone... or what's gone on in the story, 20:57 you bring it back now to the history of the church, 21:00 you see where it fits in our Christian history 21:03 and say, "Oh, yes, okay, that's where we're at... " 21:05 and you're going to see this over and over again 21:08 in the Book of Revelation because, 21:09 primarily the Book of Revelation is a revelation of history, 21:12 it's the story of the world, 21:15 it's the story of the church in the world... 21:17 it's the story of how the world 21:18 tries to encroach upon the church, 21:20 it's the story about how Jesus rescues His bride from the world 21:22 protects her, woos her and finally purifies her 21:27 Revelation chapter 12 verse 1 is really our goal, 21:32 a lot of times when we talk about 21:33 the Book of Revelation, we jump, you know, 21:36 and think about Revelation chapter 13 21:38 but I want you to look at Revelation 12 verse 1 21:40 because we were alluding to 21:42 the words in Revelation, for example, 21... 21:46 talk about the bride... making herself ready, 21:49 well, Revelation 12:1 says, 21:50 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; 21:52 a woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, 21:56 and upon her head a crown of 12 stars... " 21:58 this is the bride right here, this woman is the bride... 22:01 she's clothed in white, she's clothed in the sun, 22:03 white righteousness of Jesus Christ, 22:05 according to Malachi chapter 4 and verse 2 22:08 and this is our goal, once we get to this goal, 22:11 we've arrived... we're where God wants us to be 22:14 and then, the dragon is left loose, 22:16 see, it's not until Revelation 12 22:18 that we see the dragon let loose, 22:19 the dragon... we get his history... 22:21 we understand what he's all about, 22:23 and what is he trying to do? 22:24 well, he's trying to woo that woman 22:26 who has been prepared for Christ, 22:27 he's trying to woo that woman away, 22:29 just like he did in Eden, 22:30 that's why in the context of Revelation 12, 22:33 he's called the serpent. 22:34 Yvonne: Ahhhhhhhh... 22:36 Because he wooed her away in the garden 22:37 and now he's getting another chance in the end of time. 22:40 There is something else... that thing about this theme 22:43 of the love story, in Revelation 17 and 18, 22:48 what you have there is the harlot 22:52 and I'd like to call her the devil's girlfriend, 22:55 so, here you have the devil's girlfriend, 22:57 right? trying to turn the world 23:00 against the true bride of Christ, 23:03 and in fact, you should be aware 23:06 of the company you hang out with, 23:08 the devil's girlfriend is trying to tell the true church, 23:11 "You don't need a man... " you know, 23:14 "you don't need Christ in your life... " 23:16 in other words, she is trying... 23:18 the devil sends his girlfriend out to try 23:20 to corrupt the Bride of Christ. 23:24 Every story in the Book of Revelation, 23:27 every chapter in the Book of Revelation, 23:29 as we look at it in the context of a love story, 23:32 so you look at it in the context of this... 23:35 the stories given in the Old Testament, 23:38 you begin to see pictures emerging 23:41 that reveal divine things, right? 23:45 Again, the Book is not just thrown together 23:47 and, "Okay, this chapter is talking about this... 23:49 and everything is disconnected... " 23:50 everything is connected revealing an amazing story, 23:54 a story that Hollywood couldn't even put together, 23:58 and in fact Hollywood usually lifts its stories 24:02 so again... understanding these things 24:08 and in fact, in the Book of 1st Corinthians 24:10 it says that "things that were written aforetime 24:12 were written for our admonition 24:15 upon whom the ends of the world are come... " 24:17 the Book of Revelation is really 24:20 a revelation of a repeat of history, 24:23 you have so many things repeated 24:26 in the history of Israel in the Old Testament, 24:29 in New Testament Israel, in Spiritual Israel 24:32 so understanding the history of Israel 24:35 then being upon the borders of the Promise Land 24:38 gives us an insight of where we are 24:41 and what the devil is trying to bring at us 24:43 as we are upon the borders of the heavenly promise land, 24:47 and so, understanding these things again 24:50 really help to crystallize 24:52 and bring together the Book of Revelation 24:54 in a... in a beautiful way. 24:55 And as Ivor and I were talking yesterday, 24:57 he was sharing with me that also, it's, in a sense, 25:01 the Book of Revelation is an outline 25:02 of a repeating of the life of Christ 25:05 and so you see Christ in His life, 25:08 walking through these different areas 25:10 of growing up as a child, being baptized, 25:13 going out into the wilderness, 25:15 being met out in the wilderness, 25:16 in Revelation 12, we see the woman 25:18 led out into the wilderness, 25:19 we see the church anointed with the Holy Spirit, 25:22 Christ was anointed with the Holy Spirit, 25:23 we see the woman being tempted, to be unfaithful to God, 25:27 the hour of temptation comes upon the whole world, 25:31 the Mark of the Beast is enforced, 25:32 that's that pull that... and so we see all of this 25:36 in the life of Christ is a picture, if you will, 25:39 of the experience of God's people 25:41 because it's Christ in you, the hope of glory 25:43 and so when Christ comes into us 25:45 and we live the life He wants us to live, 25:46 the devil comes against us, 25:48 the same way the devil came against Christ, 25:50 there's nothing new under the sun, he has no new schemes, 25:52 he just comes... in these different angles 25:54 and it's the same basic history 25:56 that we see repeated all over again. 25:57 Ivor: Yes... 25:59 Well, we have run out of time again and I'm thinking 26:01 as we move through this, that there's going to be people 26:05 listening who are going to have questions 26:07 and we want to encourage questions 26:09 that's why I think it's so good that we're all here together 26:12 because we... even on the Set we're having 26:14 these different questions that are coming up, 26:16 "Hey, what about this, what about that?" 26:18 And this is a very informal, very casual study, 26:22 it's not... we're not having an agenda, 26:23 we got to get through this and this and this 26:25 and so, I'm thinking... 26:26 we want to encourage people in their questions. 26:29 Yvonne: Yeah, and they should send them to sss as in 26:34 Salvation in Symbols and Signs, sss@3abn. org 26:40 James: sss. @3abn. org 26:42 James: And we will take questions 26:44 and we'll try to answer them, 26:47 we'll throw them out there and... 26:49 Yvonne: And we want videos... 26:50 James: And video questions that we can put up... 26:52 oh, that will be so... that will be super... 26:55 Everyone can do video questions now, right with their iPhones? 26:57 Yvonne: That's right... 26:59 Take your phone, just ask the question and 27:02 send it to... forward it to us, sss@3abn. org 27:05 James: Now, that's a good idea. 27:07 Jason: By submitting it, they agree to be on TV. 27:10 James: Okay... you'll be on worldwide 3ABN television, 27:12 and get your face up in there. 27:15 Yvonne: Yeah... and they can include their e-mail address 27:17 so we can send them a release form and that kind of thing... 27:19 James: Okay. 27:20 Yvonne: But if they just send it to us and we can... address it 27:25 because as things come up, 27:27 people are going to have questions 27:29 so we need to be able to address those. 27:30 James: Okay, praise the Lord. Yvonne: Yeah... amen... 27:33 James: Ivor, close us out with prayer. 27:34 Ivor: Yeah, let's do it. 27:36 "Heavenly Father, 27:38 we are so thankful that you are giving us the opportunity 27:41 Lord, to open your Word, to go through it, 27:44 to understand the tools and the principles 27:48 and the laws that govern your Word, 27:49 Father, we pray that you would 27:51 continue to guide us in our study, 27:52 we pray that you will continue to open our eyes 27:55 and give us new revelations of your glory and character, 27:59 we thank you Lord for answering this prayer 28:02 because we pray it in Jesus' name... amen. 28:04 All: Amen... |
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