Salvation in Symbols and Signs


Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Ivor Meyers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis


Series Code: SISS

Program Code: SISS000008A

00:30 Well, we are continuing our study on the Book of Revelation,
00:33 we've actually entered into the churches,
00:36 we've moved past chapter one, we've laid the foundation
00:38 and we're in the Seven Churches,
00:40 Revelation chapter 2 is where it begins,
00:42 we began though by looking at Christ among the churches,
00:46 the fact that Christ is among all seven churches
00:49 even though five of them have major problems,
00:51 two of them are... you know... doing pretty good,
00:54 but five of them have major problems,
00:55 reminded us of the grace of God, of the love of God...
00:58 the unconditional love of God,
00:59 we looked at some illustrations of that in the Bible,
01:02 with the woman at the well and with the disciples
01:05 who forsook Christ even though He would not forsake them
01:08 and we recognize that
01:10 one of the preeminent foundational truths
01:13 of the gospel is that God is with us
01:15 even though we've forsaken Him,
01:17 that when we ate of the
01:19 Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,
01:20 we were hiding from God in the Garden...
01:22 He came looking for us,
01:23 we had changed but He hadn't changed,
01:25 "I'm your Lord your God, I change not...
01:27 and therefore, ye sons of Jacob are not consumed"
01:31 and this is the picture that Revelation's presenting to us,
01:34 we look at the church in Ephesus
01:36 and we understood to be the early Apostolic age
01:38 and we see in that church
01:41 a group of people who are on fire for Jesus
01:44 and they've got faith, they've got love,
01:46 they've got works, they've got patience,
01:48 they tried those and say they're apostles... they're not...
01:50 we found them liars and got more faith
01:52 and more love but they've lost what...?
01:53 All: Their first love... James: Their first love,
01:56 they've lost their first love and without that,
01:58 all the other stuff is meaningless
02:00 and so, we identified this as the apostolic church
02:04 in the Historicist's understanding of prophecy
02:07 but we also recognize as a message for us today
02:10 and so we want to go from there now,
02:12 we want to move into the next church
02:14 which is the church of Smyrna,
02:15 and we want to identify some of the characteristics here
02:18 historically and then look at how it applies to us today.
02:21 Remembering where we are... time and location...
02:26 keeping those two things in mind,
02:28 what time period are we in?
02:29 Are we looking at one of the three time prophecies?
02:34 70 weeks... 1,260... or the 2,300...
02:38 and... where in the Sanctuary are we located
02:42 and we've already determined
02:44 that we are located in the Holy Place
02:47 at this time which means pre-1844, right.
02:50 Definitely, and we're going to be moving now
02:53 from the 70-week prophecy,
02:54 we're going to be moving into that 1,260-day period
02:56 and we'll identify this, okay,
02:58 so we should start with a word of prayer... always...
03:00 and Jason, would you like to pray for us?
03:02 All right... "Dear Heavenly Father,
03:05 thank you so much for blessing us with another day of life
03:07 and another opportunity to study your Word,
03:09 now as we study your Word, please lead, guide and direct us
03:12 in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
03:13 All: Amen...
03:15 So let's start in verse...
03:17 let me just get my glasses on here...
03:19 verse 8, Yvonne, would you like to read for us,
03:23 verses 8, all the way...
03:25 just let's read all the verses all the way through to verse 11?
03:28 Sure, "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;
03:32 These things saith the first and the last,
03:34 which was dead, and is alive;
03:36 I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty
03:39 but thou art rich, and I know the blasphemy of them
03:42 which say they are Jews, and are not,
03:44 but are the synagogue of Satan.
03:46 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
03:49 behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
03:53 that ye may be tried:
03:54 and ye shall have tribulation ten days:
03:56 be thou faithful unto death,
03:58 and I will give thee a crown of life.
04:00 He that hath an ear, let him hear
04:02 what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
04:04 He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. "
04:09 All right, it's short and sweet, one, two, three, four verses...
04:14 and basically this church is the first church
04:17 that we're going to read about of two churches in the seven
04:20 that have nothing said against it, nothing negative,
04:23 it's all affirmative and the reason for that is
04:25 because we're going to find that in the Bible,
04:28 Old and New Testament...
04:29 that when God's people undergo heavy persecution,
04:32 it purifies the church,
04:34 so the two characteristics of the churches
04:37 that have nothing against them is,
04:38 persecution and love,
04:40 when God's church is filled with love,
04:42 now, Ephesus has lost it's first love,
04:44 it's losing it's first love and yet the church in Philadelphia
04:48 has that... that love... and the church in Smyrna...
04:51 this church right here is undergoing heavy persecution,
04:53 that purifies the church
04:54 so what we have here... is we have four verses that describe
04:58 the condition of the church, the Christian church
05:01 during a period of time that we're going to label
05:04 from about a 100 A.D. to about 313 A.D.
05:08 313 A.D. ends the
05:11 heavy persecution of the pagan Roman Emperor Diocletian
05:14 and makes a transition to Constantine
05:17 and a drastic change takes place in the church under Constantine,
05:20 you can read a little bit about that in the prophetic book
05:23 of Daniel chapter 11,
05:25 where this transition takes place
05:27 and the church gets back
05:29 all of the things that were taken from it
05:30 under the Diocletian rule but going back here,
05:33 I just want to look at this... this first... this first section
05:37 "I know thy works and thy poverty and yet thou art rich"
05:43 how can you be in poverty and yet be rich?
05:47 What is that "wealth" that they have?
05:49 Yvonne: It has to be the knowledge of Jesus... right?
05:53 James: Yeah.
05:54 Yvonne: They might... they have...
05:56 might be broke finally...
05:58 they might be broke but they're not poor.
06:02 James: And I love that... that's basically what...
06:05 doesn't James say something about that...
06:08 let me just look here, he talks about how
06:11 we are rich in faith, I'm looking for the verse
06:15 I have it marked here, James chapter 2 verse 5...
06:20 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
06:23 James: "Hearken, my beloved brethren,
06:26 Hath not God chosen
06:28 the poor of this world rich in faith... "
06:30 "the poor of this world... rich in faith... "
06:33 okay, I just want to make this point,
06:35 the Book of Revelation... we've said this before
06:39 it's worth repeating,
06:41 the Book of Revelation is
06:43 boring from the rest of the Bible,
06:45 it's not off on an island by itself,
06:47 it's not a book that should be
06:48 separate from the rest of the cannon,
06:50 it is a summation of the rest of the Bible
06:52 and so when we see this phrase here,
06:55 "I know that your... your poverty but you're rich...
06:57 I know your poverty...
06:58 it's borne from the Book of James,
07:00 it's borne from the picture that God has given us
07:02 which is... and that connection is vital
07:04 because that helps us to interpret the book,
07:05 what does it mean? "You're poor and yet you're rich"
07:07 well, James tells what it means.
07:09 Jesus says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit
07:12 for theirs is the kingdom of God"
07:14 so, this... this... poverty and yet richness,
07:20 there's persecution and yet faith
07:24 is being presented here in this period
07:27 and that's what they're going through...
07:30 this time period where
07:31 Rome began to heavily persecute the Christian church
07:37 beginning about 195 A.D. John is sent out of Patmos
07:43 where he, of course, receives the Revelation
07:45 but then you have this persecution of Rome
07:49 trying to destroy and wipe out Israel,
07:52 what is significant about that
07:55 is that there was another persecution
07:57 in the Old Testament
07:59 where someone tried to wipe out Israel...
08:04 tried to basically destroy
08:05 and just really keep down the children of Israel
08:08 and that was Pharaoh during the time of...
08:11 the Children of Israel being in Egypt,
08:14 what's happening is, you have the first church
08:20 which was perfect
08:22 and then fell from its first love
08:24 and we already said, "Wow! that kind of reminds us of
08:26 the beginning of creation of mankind...
08:28 perfect but then fell in Creation"
08:31 and then that's Genesis, the next book is Exodus,
08:34 where we now have this spirit of persecution
08:37 and we're looking at church one and two, we're going,
08:40 "Wow, this is like history repeating itself... "
08:45 now will that pattern hold out for the rest of the churches?
08:48 We'll find out... but what we see so far
08:52 is look, "This history is almost like it's being repeated...
08:55 the things that happened to Old Testament...
08:57 the Old Testament people of God looks like it's being repeated
09:00 in the history of Spiritual Israel,
09:03 so they're being persecuted but God is telling them,
09:07 "Listen, be faithful even in this persecution
09:10 and going back to the theme of the Book of Revelation
09:13 as a love story, what I see happening here,
09:16 is that... it's almost like Satan's saying,
09:21 "Yeah, you love Jesus?
09:22 All right, well let's see how much you love Jesus,
09:25 let's see how much you love Jesus
09:26 when they put you in the Coliseums with the lions,
09:30 let's see how much you love... " and... I mean... think about it,
09:34 Jesus is here looking at His church
09:36 during this period of time stand faithful...
09:40 rathering to suffer with lions and fire and...
09:44 now, what that must do to His heart?
09:46 How can He have something to say against this church?
09:49 It's a demonstration of the love of the church during this period
09:55 for their... for that husband...
09:59 Two things here...
10:01 Ivor, just building on what you said,
10:03 one of them is in Ecclesiastes,
10:05 and I just wanted to bring this out
10:06 so that we can all see it,
10:07 because it is a Biblical principle,
10:09 "The thing that has been, is that which shall be... "
10:13 verse 9 of Ecclesiastes 1,
10:15 "and that which is done is that which shall be done:
10:18 and there is no new thing under the sun.
10:20 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new?
10:23 it hath been already of old time,
10:24 which was before us. "
10:26 In other words, "Yes, we're seeing these...
10:29 this repeat principle over and over again,
10:32 why? because human nature is the same,
10:35 human beings are the same,
10:36 the history of the Bible is the history of human nature,
10:40 it's the history of us,
10:42 yes, there's some variations here and there
10:44 and sometimes people say,
10:45 "Well, how come God selected
10:47 that history and that history... and that history,
10:50 there's a lot more history in the world... "
10:51 well, because, He just pulled out
10:53 some history that was basically illustrative...
10:56 illustrating the history of all of us,
10:59 here it is and He stepped into that history
11:01 to show us how He can change the course of our history
11:04 and make us... bring us back
11:07 to the image in which we were created.
11:09 And one thing we can also see is that
11:11 Satan doesn't change either, so we can look and say,
11:15 "Okay, well, if we can figure out what it is that Satan did
11:19 in the Old Testament,
11:20 and how he attacked the people of God in the Old Testament,
11:23 then ah... we're going to have a better idea
11:25 of what he's trying to do in the Book of Revelation
11:28 and in the New Testament. "
11:29 So God is showing us, that's why He says that...
11:32 that the things that were written for Israel,
11:35 are written for our admonition
11:37 upon whom the ends of the world are come.
11:40 So, let us take heed lest our promise being left us
11:44 we should fail to enter into it
11:46 because of the same mistakes that they made in the past.
11:50 And then the other thing here I think that's significant
11:54 in... along the lines of what we're talking about is
11:57 in verse 9 it says, "Okay, I know thy works,
12:00 thy tribulation, thy poverty, but thou art rich,
12:02 I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
12:06 and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. "
12:08 So, part of the reason why this persecution is taking place is
12:12 because it is actually separating
12:15 those who are and those who aren't...
12:17 those who are named and those who aren't.
12:19 This phrase, "those that say they're Jews,"
12:22 we need to understand that in the spiritual sense,
12:25 at this point in time, the church has settled in,
12:28 and the new Christian church has settled in with...
12:30 to the fact that they are spiritual Jews...
12:33 that they are spiritual Israel,
12:35 and we know that from a couple of verses,
12:37 one of them is found in Romans chapter 2 verses 28 and 29
12:43 and maybe Jason, would you like to read those verses for us?
12:48 Romans 2:28 and 29...
12:50 Jason: I'm not there yet.
12:52 James: That's okay... we'll wait... with all patience.
12:56 Waiting for Jason to find the verse.
13:01 Jason: Let's see here... all right...
13:06 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
13:10 neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
13:14 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly:
13:16 and circumcision is that of the heart,
13:19 in the spirit, and not in the letter;
13:22 whose praise is not of men, but of God. "
13:24 Okay, so here Paul is identifying who Jews really are,
13:29 it's no longer the literal Jews and the literal circumcision,
13:33 Jews are those who are circumcised in the heart
13:36 and so when it says in Revelation and this is now...
13:41 we're in the second century, third century,
13:43 it says in Revelation chapter 2 and verse 9,
13:46 "I know those who say they are Jews... "
13:48 it's not talking about literal Jews,
13:50 it's talking about those who say they're spiritual Jews,
13:52 who say they're circumcised in the heart,
13:54 who say that they're Abraham's seed,
13:56 who say they're part of the Christian church,
13:57 but they are of the synagogue of Satan,
14:00 "don't worry... I know who they are...
14:02 this persecution you're going through right now
14:05 is going to show who those people are
14:08 because those who are not truly a 100 percent in the heart
14:12 converted to Christ
14:14 and dedicated to Him aren't going to survive through this,
14:16 they're going to compromise" and that's what takes place
14:18 as we follow in the next church
14:20 that's what's going to take place.
14:21 And when you think about it... when the Children of Israel,
14:25 the Jews, left out of Egypt,
14:27 out of persecution, there was a separating...
14:30 there were those who weren't "Jews" in name
14:34 but you see a lot of separation happening...
14:38 James: Mixed multitude...
14:39 Ivor: Mixed multitude,
14:40 those who are claiming to be of God
14:42 but stirring up rebellion and doing these kinds of things
14:46 so again we see that history being laid out
14:48 and God is saying, "Look, look...
14:50 and what happened in the Old Testament
14:51 because those things are going to be
14:53 important for you to understand
14:54 in reference to what will happen at the end of time
14:58 or throughout history
15:00 or of the history of the New Testament Church. "
15:02 Now, I love this next verse and I have to say...
15:04 I really like the way, Yvonne, that you read it,
15:07 "Fear none of those things which you shall suffer:"
15:10 I love that... "behold, the devil will cast
15:13 some of you in the prison,
15:14 you will be tried;
15:16 and you will have tribulation ten days:
15:18 be thou faithful unto death,
15:19 and I will give thee a crown of life. "
15:20 We read that that way because we have experienced
15:24 some of this verse ourselves, we understand,
15:28 this verse is personal,
15:29 we're not just reading this verse as we read other verses,
15:33 we recognize that the devil is coming against us
15:36 and the devil sought to persecute us
15:38 and the devil sought to destroy our faith, our grasp,
15:42 our dependence on Christ
15:44 and he's done it through various means
15:47 and through tribulation
15:48 and the tribulation that we face today
15:50 may not be thrown into a colosseum
15:52 filled with lions who are ready to eat us,
15:54 sometimes it's just words and words can be harder to endure
15:58 than martyrdom at times, they can, you know,
16:01 "Sticks and stones may break my bones
16:03 but words will never hurt me"
16:04 that's not true,
16:06 words hurt and they go deep, especially as God restores in us
16:10 his image and we become more sensitive
16:13 because His love renews in us the feelings and emotions
16:17 that he created us to have and or that we're afraid to have
16:20 and we try to numb them with drugs and with the world
16:25 because this world is painful,
16:27 it's a painful place to be when you have feelings.
16:28 Yvonne: Yeah.
16:30 Jason: Are those ten days symbolic of anything?
16:32 The ten... all these numbers...
16:34 James: hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... hmm...
16:35 that's a good question,
16:37 it's interesting that
16:39 in the controversy
16:41 over the idea of these churches being literal churches
16:45 in John's day which is Preterism
16:47 versus them being symbolic of the church in the ages
16:51 from the Apostolic Age all the way down to Second Coming
16:55 which is Historicism, there is... there are little
16:59 evidences, if you will,
17:02 that Historicism is the one that bears sway here
17:05 and this is one of those evidences,
17:07 I mean, if John is writing a letter to these churches
17:11 and he says to Smyrna,
17:12 "You're going to suffer for ten literal days
17:14 under persecution, be faithful, I'll give you a crown of life,"
17:16 and it's like, "Ten days?
17:18 well, why are they the only church that's suffering ten...
17:20 what about Ephesus,
17:21 what about all the other churches?"
17:23 So, yes, this period of time
17:25 is one of the places
17:27 where we see the principle of "day for a year,"
17:29 so when we study this prophecy we think,
17:32 "Okay, this... if this isn't ten literal days,
17:35 then it must be ten literal years...
17:37 each day must represent a year... "
17:40 now in order for us to affirm that,
17:42 in order for that to be confirmed in our interpretation
17:45 in our understanding... to be confirmed...
17:47 our interpretation being confirmed,
17:48 we would need to find a place in history
17:50 where that actually happened where for ten years
17:54 God's church... some time after the Apostolic Age
17:58 underwent heavy persecution and we find it...
18:01 we find it from the year 303 A.D. to the year 313 A.D.
18:06 and it happened under Diocletian,
18:09 heavy persecution took place
18:11 and the church was not only persecuted
18:16 but if you remained a Christian,
18:18 your land was taken away from you,
18:20 your houses were taken away from you,
18:22 churches were taken away from you,
18:24 everything was torn away from you,
18:25 everything earthly was taken away from you,
18:27 it was heavy-duty persecution
18:28 and it was in this time... that the period of time
18:33 that the church in Smyrna was described as, I think,
18:37 going under... undergoing...
18:39 well the word Smyrna itself means, "bitter sweet myrrh"
18:42 and it's the kind of stuff that was used from embalming people
18:45 there was a lot of death, there was a lot of persecution
18:48 they had a bitter-sweet experience,
18:50 the bitterness, of course, going through the persecution,
18:53 sweet experience... being rich in faith
18:55 and having the church purified
18:57 and having nothing said against it
18:59 and I think that we as people, Christians...
19:03 that we are afraid of persecution
19:06 but at the same time,
19:08 "Fear none of those things which shall come upon you"
19:10 because I want to make a distinction
19:12 between those who say they're this...
19:13 "they are Jews" and those who aren't,
19:15 and you're going to be rich in faith,
19:16 your faith is going to grow through this time,
19:18 I remember the story years ago and this is going way back
19:22 before your time, Jason, perhaps... to the 1980s
19:28 when the USSR was a prominent power in the world,
19:33 Communism in Eastern Europe and Russia
19:36 had its iron grip on many, many people
19:40 and there were people that would get our of Russia...
19:43 they considered themselves fortunate,
19:45 there was an Adventist family that got out of Russia
19:48 and came to the United States during that time
19:50 and they considered themselves fortunate,
19:52 a few years later they decided to go back to Russia
19:54 and their conclusion was that...
19:57 "It was easier for us to be faithful to Christ in Russia
20:01 than it is for us to be faithful to Christ
20:03 here in the United States
20:05 because it was easier for us to be Christians
20:07 under that persecution than it was for us
20:10 to live a Christian life in this wealthy,
20:12 compromising environment that is the U.S... USA"
20:17 so they... they went back to Russia
20:18 and that's what we're talking about here,
20:21 sometimes we're afraid of persecution,
20:23 persecution can actually be a good thing.
20:25 Yvonne: When you think... oh sorry...
20:27 Ivor: No, no, no, you go...
20:28 When you think about...
20:29 when is it that you find yourself drawing closer to God?
20:35 Not necessarily in the good times...
20:38 but in the bad times
20:40 when you really need to reach out to Him
20:43 that's when... when you... everything is honky dory...
20:48 we tend to... we can put God on the back burner which is wrong,
20:52 but... but when you're going through it
20:56 and that's when you reach out, "God help me... "
20:59 and you're on your knees,
21:01 you're on your knees for your children
21:03 or you're on your knees for your spouse or your...
21:06 whatever it is... your job... whatever it is...
21:09 you're on your knees so that persecution...
21:12 that suffering... though we don't want it,
21:14 I found for me that the closest times
21:18 that I have with the Lord are when I'm going through...
21:21 and you don't want that, it's not like you pick that
21:24 and say, "Okay, I want to suffer now,"
21:27 no, you don't want that but when you are suffering
21:31 the only place to go is God.
21:35 You're going to find that principle
21:38 to be revealed to be true when we get to the next church,
21:42 because when things ease up and things get good,
21:46 it's human nature to begin the compromise
21:50 but looking at this reward for the church of Smyrna,
21:55 the reward is a crown of life
21:57 and it's interesting that God uses that reward
22:01 because He realizes and recognizes
22:03 what they're going through here,
22:06 He acknowledges what they're going through
22:07 and says, "Listen, even though
22:10 you're suffering death right now"
22:12 in fact it's the last verse, verse 11,
22:16 "He that has an ear,
22:17 let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
22:19 he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. "
22:23 So, Jesus is telling the church here,
22:27 "Even though you're suffering the first death,
22:29 don't worry about it... you're going to have a crown of life,
22:31 you're not going to experience the second death. "
22:36 The second death is... death forever,
22:38 right, there's not return from that second death
22:41 so... so, He's saying,
22:42 "Listen, what you're going through now is just a sleep,
22:45 I'm going to wake you up in the morning
22:48 I'm going to put a crown on your head... and be faithful. "
22:52 so that's the reward,
22:53 that's the encouragement He's giving to His church
22:56 in this stage, He's telling them,
22:58 "Be faithful... and don't worry about
23:01 what the devil is throwing in your face
23:03 because I'm going to give you something better. "
23:05 James: Let's build on that a little bit,
23:06 Ivor...
23:08 really the only place that the phrase, "Second death"
23:13 is used in the Bible is in the Book of Revelation,
23:18 the only place,
23:20 it's used in Revelation chapter 2
23:22 and it's also in Revelation chapter 20,
23:24 so, the reason why God did that
23:28 and it's clear in the Book of John
23:31 when you read about the story of Lazarus,
23:34 it's very clear that God identifies death
23:37 in relation to what we experience
23:41 as mortals, He identifies it as a sleep...
23:44 He identifies it as a sleep,
23:46 so, over and over again, He tells the disciples,
23:49 "Lazarus is sleeping... Lazarus is sleeping,
23:52 Lazarus is sleeping" and the disciples don't get it,
23:54 they don't get it,
23:56 "Well, if he's sleeping, he's doing good
23:57 because when you're sick... when you got a sore throat...
24:00 and you need to sleep... you need a rest... "
24:04 so, finally, Jesus says to them, "Plainly... " verse 11,
24:10 John 11 verse 11, Jesus says to them,
24:14 "Plainly... our... " excuse me...
24:17 that's not the verse I'm looking for,
24:20 it's verse 14...
24:23 "Jesus said unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. "
24:27 He didn't say, "second death,"
24:28 they didn't get... that sleep and death are synonymous,
24:34 they didn't get that, okay,
24:36 so then Jesus tries to clarify a little bit more,
24:38 a little bit later here,
24:39 He's talking to Martha... to the sister of Lazarus,
24:42 and He says in verse 23, "Jesus said unto her,
24:46 Thy brother shall rise again.
24:47 And Martha said to him, I know that he shall rise again
24:50 in the resurrection at the last day,"
24:51 which is what we were talking about
24:53 and then He goes on...
24:54 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection,
24:56 and the life: he that believes in me
24:58 though he were dead, yet shall he live... "
25:00 now get this, verse 26,
25:01 "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall... " what?
25:04 Jason: Never die...
25:05 Then He asks a question, what's the question He asks?
25:07 All: "Believest thou this?"
25:09 James: "Do you believe that... do you believe that?
25:11 Do you believe that you will never die?"
25:14 So really, in this church statement here,
25:17 okay, when you read Revelation chapter 2 and verse 10,
25:20 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
25:23 behold the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
25:26 and ye may be tried;
25:27 and you shall have tribulation ten days:
25:29 be thou faithful unto... "
25:31 Ivor: Sleep...
25:33 James: Sleep... right? Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm..
25:36 James: because you won't be hurt of... death...
25:38 Yvonne: Right...
25:39 James: That's the way a Christian reads these verses,
25:43 "be faithful unto sleep...
25:45 because you won't be hurt of death... "
25:46 Yvonne: Yes...
25:48 James: The only reason why it's death and second death
25:49 is because we never got to sleep that part
25:51 and so this is clarification for us.
25:54 The first death is a sleep.
25:56 So that's even more powerful
25:58 because that's basically what Jesus is saying to us,
26:00 He's saying, "Hey you're just going to sleep,
26:01 just be faithful, you're just going to sleep
26:03 you won't be hurt of death, you won't die,
26:05 if you believe in me, you'll never die. "
26:07 Yvonne: So we're not saying... we need to clarify...
26:10 we're not saying that you don't go to sleep in death
26:13 but that death is "a sleep.. " it's a temporary sleep...
26:17 just like you go... you go to bed...
26:19 you go to sleep and you wake up the next morning
26:22 you've been asleep but you're not permanently gone.
26:26 James: But the second death... or death itself is permanent.
26:29 Yvonne: Right.
26:31 Ivor: Let's just recap something very quickly,
26:33 first church... 31 A.D. roughly to about a 100 A.D.
26:37 that brings the 70-Week Prophecy into view... the first church...
26:42 the second church... we're in an interim...
26:44 between the 70 Weeks and the 1,260...
26:48 we've left the 70-Week... we're not yet at 1,260...
26:51 so we're in an interim...
26:53 and so we just want to keep that in mind as we move on.
26:56 James: Timeless... Yvonne: Time and location...
26:58 James: And again we want to emphasize,
27:00 questions, questions, questions, send in your video questions.
27:04 Jason: There you go... to...
27:06 sss@3abn. org
27:10 "s" as in Salvation in Symbols and Signs.
27:12 James: Salvation in Symbols and Signs.
27:14 Yvonne: Yeah!
27:15 James: So we are excited... this is just a great journey...
27:20 I think... it's... I'm learning as I'm going...
27:23 and I think we all are and we're taking our time...
27:26 we're not... we don't have an agenda
27:27 we're just moving through it and God is blessing
27:29 so Yvonne, close us out with a word of prayer, would you?
27:32 Yvonne: Sure... "Father, thank you so much
27:34 for the richness of your Word
27:37 and for allowing us to just break bread together,
27:40 thank you, Lord... we just praise you and bless your name
27:43 and help us to be ready when you come back, Lord Jesus,
27:47 in Jesus' name we pray, amen."
27:48 All: "Amen..."


Revised 2016-08-08