Participants: Ivor Meyers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000023A
00:31 Okay, we are still in Revelation chapter 6...
00:34 we are going to summarize the message of the four horses
00:37 and then we're going to look at an incredible parable
00:41 that parallels... a parable that parallels...
00:45 a parallely parable...
00:46 All: laughter...
00:47 Jason: Tongue twister... Yvonne: A tongue twister...
00:50 James: I just say a lot...
00:52 so we're going to look at the four horses
00:54 in relation to a parable that Jesus gave
00:57 in Matthew chapter 13 of the sower and the seed
00:58 and we're going to see some incredible connections
01:00 that take place there, so this is just a summary... I'm just...
01:04 I'm believing that as we've gone through this
01:06 you guys have said, "Yeah, that makes sense
01:08 yeah that makes sense, yeah that makes sense...
01:09 let me rephrase the white horse, let me rephrase the red horse,
01:14 let me rephrase this dark horse, let me rephrase the pale horse
01:17 and just summarize a couple of points that I got out of that
01:21 and then we'll just blow it up with this parable... parallel...
01:24 okay, let's start with a word of prayer,
01:25 Jason, pray for us would you?
01:26 Jason: Sure, "Dear Heavenly Father,
01:28 thank you for another chance to study your word, Lord,
01:31 please be with us, lead and guide our discussion
01:34 as we go over Revelation, in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
01:36 All: "Amen... "
01:38 James: Okay, so we've got this white horse
01:39 coming forth in the first seal, it goes forth... it says...
01:42 "and he that sat on him had a bow;
01:44 a crown was given unto him,
01:45 he went forth conquering, and to conquer,"
01:47 give us a couple of sentences on that, tell us what it means.
01:49 Jason: So the white horse has to do with Christ
01:52 and His people and so
01:54 when it says "conquering and to conquer"
01:57 so when Christ... when you accept Christ into your life
02:01 and He takes over... and it's a daily surrender
02:05 and so He continues to conquer.
02:07 James: Amen...
02:08 Jason: Then... we have the black horse...
02:11 James: Wait right there... no, no, no, no, no...
02:13 you're pulling out there, you're on a roll aren't you?
02:15 We've got to interrupt that roll...
02:17 we're going to interrupt that roll
02:18 and we're going into the red horse and it says here,
02:21 in Revelation chapter 6 and verse 4,
02:23 "And there went out another horse that was red:
02:25 and power was given to him that sat thereon
02:27 to take peace from the earth,
02:29 that they should kill one another:
02:30 and there was given unto him a great sword. "
02:33 Yvonne: What did I do with my notes,
02:35 I'm looking for my notes here feverishly...
02:37 James: Awww... you don't need notes...
02:39 Yvonne: Awww see, easy for you all to say, I know,
02:42 well, the bottom line is that that red...
02:45 equals the dragon or persecuting power
02:49 and it also, we think of red... we think of blood...
02:53 we think of the blood of the saints,
02:56 we think of the church that is associated with...
03:00 with this horse... or the... corresponding...
03:03 and that would by Smyrna, right, and that...
03:07 there was persecution with Smyrna...
03:09 and so, that's what we think of
03:13 when we think of the red... that power...
03:16 and... you know what's interesting to me,
03:19 you guys... too... is that the correlation here
03:22 with the Sanctuary, the Table of Shewbread...
03:25 the "sitting on the north... " because the great controversy
03:31 between God and Satan is ever present
03:35 in these verses to me so when we're looking for
03:40 the great controversy also in the verses we see
03:44 that... you know... the red... equals the dragon
03:48 and persecuting the people of God...
03:50 so to me... that's very...
03:52 James: Yeah, trying to take the place of God...
03:54 trying to take the seat of God,
03:55 trying to be in the sides of the north
03:57 and get the people to his side...
03:59 and he uses persecution to do that,
04:01 that's one of the first ways he uses to do that,
04:03 okay, what's our next horse,
04:04 can you read the next verse for us, Ivor?
04:07 Black horse...
04:08 Ivor: 6:5... it says,
04:12 "And when he had opened the third seal,
04:14 I heard the third beast say, Come and see.
04:16 And I beheld, and lo a black horse:
04:19 and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
04:22 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
04:25 A measure of wheat for a penny,
04:27 and three measures of barley for a penny,
04:30 and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. "
04:32 James: All right, Jason, what you got?
04:35 Jason: Man! see we should have done this, like two minutes ago.
04:39 All: Laughter...
04:42 Jason: All right, So the black horse represents compromise
04:45 and false balances and then you have...
04:49 it says the wheat and barley represented the bread of life
04:58 which is the Word of God
05:00 and for a penny... which I believe we stated that
05:05 that was like a day's wages so it made it hard
05:11 for people to get the Word of God
05:12 and there was like a famine pretty much, that's what I got.
05:17 James: Good stuff... and oil and wine representing
05:20 those who were filled with the Holy Spirit
05:22 trusting the blood of Christ they were...
05:24 and that's going to take us into the pale horse
05:26 because you got people trusting the blood
05:28 and the pale horse comes and looks like it's...
05:30 Yvonne, what does it look like, tell us.
05:31 Yvonne: okay...
05:33 James: Oh, let's read the verse first...
05:34 Yvonne: Okay... you want me to read it? James: Go ahead...
05:36 Yvonne: So we're in Revelation 6 verse 8,
05:39 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse:
05:42 and his name that sat on him was Death,
05:44 and Hell followed with him.
05:46 And power was given unto them
05:48 over the fourth part of the earth,
05:49 to kill with sword, and with hunger,
05:51 and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. "
05:53 More? James: That's it.
05:56 Yvonne: Okay... so the pale horse
05:59 I had never thought about this before
06:03 when I read the pale horse, why was he pale?
06:05 What did that represent? But... you brought out that
06:09 it represents... you know when you think of somebody
06:11 that's pale... you think of the absence of blood...
06:14 so there's the absence of blood in this horse
06:18 that indicates the blood of Jesus being not...
06:22 people weren't applying the blood of Jesus
06:26 for righteousness so...
06:27 the blood of Jesus was not in this horse so people were not...
06:30 they were not using or applying the blood of Jesus,
06:36 so this led... if the blood is withdrawn...
06:39 because we know that the life is in the blood,
06:42 right, where it says... if the blood is withdrawn...
06:45 now, that leads to us... not us... them...
06:49 not being willing to acknowledge God... leading to Atheism
06:56 so, we look at this whole thing as... this period...
07:02 that was the dark ages, that led into
07:05 Atheism. James: Amen, and that's...
07:07 and another connection there, of course, is death and hell
07:10 so death and hell is connected with that because
07:12 as the blood is removed... you got it...
07:16 Yvonne: That's major... and I... that shouldn't be left out
07:19 because again, it is a misrepresentation
07:23 of God's character to take away the blood of Jesus
07:28 and to use death and hell as a way... as subterfuge...
07:33 it's a way to trick people into thinking that
07:37 God is... God is... a cool tyrant...
07:41 and so, death and hell... the pale horse...
07:46 on that pale horse sat death and hell.
07:50 James: Oh yes...
07:52 Ivor: I think something that's really, really significant is...
07:55 and the Bible says,
07:57 "Greater love has no man than this,
07:58 that he lay his life down for his friend.
08:00 God so loved the world
08:01 that He gave His only begotten Son... "
08:03 that blood is really the most potent representation
08:07 of the love of God, so when the love is removed,
08:11 when the blood is removed,
08:12 you have a picture of a God who is a tyrant,
08:15 who is just... want to be afraid of...
08:18 not want to love and that's the picture that this
08:21 pale horse is presenting of God...
08:23 "Look, there's no blood, there's no love,
08:25 yet, God is the kind of God that will do this forever,
08:28 you know, that will burn you forever,
08:29 and one of the things that we were just talking about
08:33 is the fact that when you look at these last two horses,
08:36 the black horse and the pale horse...
08:37 I bet that it was during the period of the black horse
08:39 that we have instituted the first Sunday Law,
08:43 Sunday sacredness...
08:44 and under the fourth seal... the fourth horse,
08:46 we have this issue of the state of the dead...
08:49 so, these are the two great errors...
08:52 Sunday sacredness and the state of the dead...
08:55 that apostate Christianity uses to deceive the world.
09:00 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
09:01 Ivor: I'm going to find those two issues coming back
09:03 as we move further in the Book of Revelation
09:06 so it's just very interesting that under these two seals...
09:09 these are the two things that are made prominent,
09:12 the changing of the Sabbath and the balance between
09:16 Sabbath and Sunday... "let's compromise"
09:18 and the teaching of death and hell.
09:20 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
09:22 James: And this is why it's so important for us
09:24 to be able to apply these symbols in history
09:26 because you can look at the symbols and you go,
09:29 "Where is the Sabbath in the dark horse right there?"
09:31 What we're doing is, we're showing
09:33 that in the churches and in the seals
09:35 and in the trumpets we're looking at epochs of history,
09:38 these histories in succession
09:39 and when we go back to this historical time,
09:42 in... for example... the time of Constantine,
09:45 we see in history... a change in our Sabbath to Sunday
09:48 and that reminds us that wow! that's when that took place
09:51 and therefore this black horse represents a time
09:54 when the Sabbath was changed, okay,
09:56 an attack on the Sabbath
09:58 and then we go to the history following that and we see...
10:01 oh, this is the time... the church brought in
10:03 this misunderstanding of hell, this misunderstanding of death,
10:07 yes, and these ideas really from...
10:10 a lot of it from Greek thinking...
10:13 of... the ended up becoming
10:17 a total misrepresentation of God's character
10:19 which led people to just turn away from God... Atheism,
10:22 "Oh, this is the basis for spiritualism...
10:25 this is the basis for
10:26 misunderstanding the state of the dead,
10:29 oh, these are two great errors in history
10:31 that are symbolized here in these horses,
10:33 in history we see this phrase, we see the connection,
10:36 oh yeah... and then we get back into the...
10:38 over into the end of the Book of Revelation, we have...
10:41 what's going to come out? It's going to come this way,
10:43 it's going to say in Revelation chapter 14,
10:46 "All nations are drunk
10:48 of the wine of the wrath of her fornication... "
10:50 Okay, "Oh, what's the wine of the wrath of fornication?"
10:51 In her cup she has a...
10:53 in her hand she has a cup filled with wine...
10:56 "What is that wine?" Wine is doctrines... teachings,
10:59 in that context...
11:00 Ivor: The wine is a counterfeit of the blood of Christ,
11:05 James: Yes! the blood of Christ, the wine...
11:08 Ivor: It's a false covenant that they have partaken of
11:12 it's a false understanding of who God is
11:14 His character... His love... His covenant.
11:17 James: And so, right now, someone's listening...
11:19 they're watching this, they're listening to this
11:22 so if someone's had a Bible Study and they said,
11:23 "Oh," like me... "Sunday, that's always been the day... "
11:26 "Well, it's not in the Bible. "
11:28 "It's not in the Bible, where did it come from?"
11:29 "Oh! history... you see... history... "
11:31 you have to go back to history, when we go to history...
11:33 we find, "Oh, Constantine... " "Where is that?" "Right here,"
11:36 you see... we make the connection,
11:38 God is giving us the connection right here...
11:40 He's not giving it to us once in the churches, you know,
11:43 He's not giving it to us twice in the seals...
11:44 He's not giving it to us three times in the trumpets
11:47 He has given it to us four times,
11:48 five times even when you go to Daniel, six, seven, eight,
11:51 you know, because Daniel talks about changing times and laws
11:54 "and then it will come... " and so we've got this...
11:56 just this... layer after layer after layer,
11:58 reaffirmation, reaffirmation, reaffirmation...
12:00 so when we lay all these layers out
12:03 and we look at history and check it all out...
12:04 all this comes down, comes down, comes down...
12:06 it's a powerful picture.
12:08 Ivor: So, what you need to
12:09 understand in the Book of Revelation
12:11 is you need to have the understanding of history,
12:13 once you have the understanding of history,
12:15 you just... you study the Book of Revelation
12:17 and I say, "Where does this fall in history? What... "
12:20 and that's why the Historicists' method of interpreting
12:23 the Book of Revelation is so important
12:24 because history verifies... with these other Schools...
12:28 Futurism... you have... you're just guessing
12:30 "this may happen... and we think this will happen...
12:33 and it may happen here or... "
12:34 you're basically left in the dark and you're just guessing.
12:37 Ivor: Preterism... there is no history,
12:40 it's just all in the past, and so
12:43 this is just another reason why
12:45 it's crucial for us to understand
12:47 that without Historicism,
12:50 you cannot understand the Book of Revelation.
12:51 James: Preterism is a little bit of history...
12:54 Ivor: A little bit... but it's all in the past.
12:56 James: Yeah, there's no process, no succession.
12:57 Ivor: Yes.
12:58 Yvonne: For those who did not see the former programs
13:01 about Historicism, what is it?
13:04 James: Historicism is a way we approach the Book of Revelation
13:07 by saying that it's past, present and future,
13:09 so God introduces Himself in the Book of Revelation,
13:12 "I am He that is... that was... and is to come... "
13:15 that's past, present and future,
13:17 "write those things which you have seen,
13:19 the things which are and the things which must be hereafter"
13:22 That's Revelation chapter one verse 19...
13:24 Revelation chapter one, I think it's verse 9...
13:27 and Revelation one verse 4,
13:29 so all of those verses are showing us
13:31 in the introduction to Revelation
13:33 how the Book of Revelation is to be understood
13:35 because John says that he was shown things
13:37 which must shortly come to pass,
13:38 well, that goes all the way back to his time...
13:40 and that's the Apostolic Age,
13:41 well, now we know that there are things in Revelation
13:44 that have to do with the end of time,
13:46 so you've got things that are happening in John's time,
13:48 things that are happening in the end of time,
13:49 what about in between?
13:50 Absolutely, you're looking at Revelation and going,
13:52 "Oh yeah, look at that...
13:53 that's the history that took place here,
13:55 and that's... this... " so you see... that's Historicism
13:57 looking at the whole... in other words...
13:59 sometimes we look at Historicism and say,
14:00 "Oh, you're saying everything's in the past... "
14:02 no, that's Preterism...
14:03 Historicism allows past, present and future,
14:06 and the reason why I think it is the best way
14:09 other than the fact that it's based on
14:11 the introduction to Revelation is that it includes Futurism,
14:14 it includes Preterism, it even includes idealism
14:17 and Idealism is the theological term that... that is used for
14:21 what we've been talking about when we say,
14:23 "This history has application to us in principle... "
14:26 taking the history and learning
14:28 the principles that apply to us is Idealism,
14:29 in other words... Idealists' approach to Revelation...
14:32 they don't care about History at all... they just say,
14:35 "Oh, there's a principle there that applies to us today,
14:37 there's a principal there that applies to us today... "
14:38 Ivor: We need to live with the white horse,
14:40 we need to have our lives...
14:41 we need to go out and spread the gospel,
14:43 but it's all, "How does it deal with me personally, not... "
14:46 James: Not the history at all. Yvonne: Okay, okay...
14:49 James: So, all of that is in Historicism,
14:51 okay, we got to move to Matthew 13,
14:53 this is so beautiful, so powerful,
14:56 Jesus Christ is teaching here, okay,
14:58 and He's teaching...
15:00 and I'm just going to give an overview,
15:02 He's teaching a parable to His disciples
15:04 and in that parable...
15:06 which is called the Parable of the Sower and the Seed,
15:09 He's talking about how the Word of God is going to be sown
15:12 in all of the world, okay, now,
15:14 given that basic understanding
15:17 of the parable of the sower and the seed,
15:19 I'm going to ask you guys,
15:21 knowing the parable of the sower and the seed,
15:23 the sower goes out to seed and he seeds in this ground,
15:27 how many types of ground that he sow seed into?
15:30 Ivor: Four...
15:31 James: How many horses are there? All: Four...
15:33 James: Four... okay... when the sower sows seed,
15:36 how many of those grounds end up being good grounds?
15:38 All: One...
15:39 James: One... how many of the horses are good?
15:41 All: One...
15:42 James: Okay... as he's sowing seed,
15:44 how many of those four grounds end up being bad grounds?
15:45 Jason and Yvonne: Three.
15:46 James: Three... how many bad horses are there?
15:48 Jason and Yvonne: Three.
15:49 James: See... so what you have here... you have
15:51 a perfect connection between what Christ is teaching
15:54 in Matthew 13...
15:56 and what Christ is teaching John in Revelation 6,
15:58 now who opens the seals? Yvonne: Christ...
16:00 James: The Lamb opens the seals, Christ opens the seals,
16:02 so He's opening these mysteries, right,
16:05 He's opening these mysteries...
16:06 things that people can't understand...
16:07 that's what He's opening, so, with that in mind,
16:10 read Matthew 13... and I want you to read
16:12 verses... to start with... verses 13... 15 and 16
16:16 just those two verses, or, excuse me, 15 to 17...
16:21 Yvonne: You want Jay to read or me?
16:23 James: Yes...
16:24 Yvonne: That was very diplomatic, by the way...
16:29 Jason: "For this people's heart is waxed gross,
16:34 and their ears are dull of hearing,
16:36 and their eyes they have closed;
16:38 lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
16:42 and hear with their ears,
16:44 and should understand with their heart,
16:46 and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16:48 But blessed are your eyes, for they see:
16:51 and your ears, for they hear.
16:53 For verily I say unto you,
16:55 That many prophets and righteous men
16:57 have desired to see those things which ye see,
17:00 and have not seen them; and to hear those things
17:03 which ye hear, and have not heard them. "
17:05 James: And the next verse, sorry.
17:07 Jason: "Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. "
17:10 James: Okay, do you get what's happening here?
17:12 This is Jesus... and He's saying,
17:14 "People can't understand what I just said to you,
17:17 because they don't really want to,
17:18 they don't really want to be converted
17:20 but you guys... blessed ye... "
17:22 now, where do we find another blessing?
17:24 Yvonne: Matthew 5?
17:26 Jason: Revelation, is it the first... first chapter?
17:29 James: Yes... "Blessed is he that readeth,
17:30 and keep those things... blessed are you...
17:32 many righteous men have wanted to see this
17:34 now I'm going to tell you, I'm going to unseal it for you. "
17:36 Ivor: Come and see...
17:37 James: Come and see... come and see, come and see...
17:40 it's the same thing... okay, in other words...
17:42 Jesus is on the earth He's walking on earth...
17:44 He's getting inspired... and people aren't getting it,
17:47 so then when He's summarizing the entire Bible
17:49 and the gospel and salvation, He gets these four horses
17:51 and people are like, "oooh... what are those?
17:53 oooh let's check this out... " see...
17:56 it's curiosity that draws us and as we're drawn...
17:59 then Jesus unfolds the gospel of salvation all over again,
18:02 see that's His point,
18:03 it's not some mysterious, terrible war,
18:05 it's the gospel of salvation, it's a war...
18:07 but it's the gospel of salvation...
18:09 the war... the conflict... between good and bad...
18:12 okay, now, let's just read and as we read,
18:16 Ivor, read these verses for us
18:17 and as you read... I want these guys to identify for us
18:20 what horse connects with each one of these types of ground.
18:24 Jason: Okay, so I'll start with verse 19...
18:26 and it says, "When anyone heareth the word of the kingdom
18:29 and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one,
18:32 and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.
18:35 This is he which received seed by the way side. "
18:38 James: Okay, misunderstanding God,
18:40 what force generates a misunderstanding of God?
18:44 Okay, read verse 20.
18:48 Jason: "But he that received the seed into stony places,
18:52 the same is he that heareth the word,
18:54 and anon with joy receives it;
18:56 Yet hath he not root in himself, but endures for a while:
19:00 for when tribulation or persecution arises
19:03 because of the word, by and by he is offended. "
19:05 James: Okay, what horse connects
19:07 with tribulation and persecution?
19:10 Yvonne: Three... is it the third horse?
19:13 Oh persecution... that's the one, I get it,
19:16 um... the red horse...
19:18 James: The red horse... all right,
19:20 so we got one horse hooked up right now, right,
19:23 red horse is the sowing of the seed in this ground
19:26 where we have tribulation and persecution coming up,
19:30 all right... next verse... verse 22...
19:33 Jason: Verse 22... "He also that receives seed
19:36 among the thorns is he that hears the word;
19:38 and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches,
19:43 chokes the word, and he becomes unfruitful. "
19:48 Jason: I would say that that's the black horse...
19:53 James: That's the black horse... you've got the world coming in
19:56 you've got the world choking out...
19:58 okay, let's go to verse 23.
20:02 Jason: "But he that received seed into the good ground
20:05 is he that hears the word, and understands it;
20:08 which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth,
20:11 some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. "
20:14 James: Okay. Yvonne: That's the white horse.
20:16 Ivor: That's the white horse. James: So what horse is left?
20:18 Jason: The pale horse...
20:19 James: And the pale horse is all about misrepresenting God,
20:23 misunderstanding God... see that?
20:25 Jason: Now the pale horse is that like...
20:28 salvation by works...
20:30 James: Yes, absolutely, and so is the black one
20:34 and so is the red one, what's really interesting...
20:37 when you get to the trumpets,
20:39 we're going to have a revelation of all these "isms"
20:42 Judaism... Paganism... Islam... Catholicism... all... Atheism...
20:48 all these "isms... " but they all have one things in common
20:50 all of them have a basis...
20:52 are based on the foundation of future merit.
20:54 The only way you can get out of that foundation
20:58 in any religious institution or teaching... is grace...
21:01 grace is the unique ingredient
21:04 that is brought to us in the gospel of Jesus Christ,
21:08 unmerited favor... and when... as soon as you stir from grace,
21:11 as soon as you pervert grace, as soon as you change grace,
21:14 as soon as you mess with grace,
21:16 you undermine the gospel completely,
21:17 because... because unmerited favor
21:19 motivates the heart,
21:21 unmerited favor just takes hold and captivates us...
21:23 captivates us... takes us prisoner.
21:26 Ivor: I'm going to share something
21:28 that I think is really interesting
21:30 in terms of this sower... you know the sower is Christ
21:34 and as I've read this parable, you know,
21:37 if you want to be efficient in seed sowing... what do you do?
21:41 You're going to put the seed
21:43 where it's going to produce fruit,
21:45 but I've read this... I'm like...
21:48 "Why does the sower allow seed
21:50 to fall on these different grounds?"
21:53 The seed is the Word of God, okay
21:55 and to me it just says, "You know what?
21:58 To Christ it doesn't matter whatever condition you are in,
22:00 he's going to throw that seed... "
22:02 and here's how we know
22:04 that Satan is deathly afraid of the seed
22:06 because look right there in verse...
22:10 verse 19... "When anyone heareth the word
22:13 of the kingdom and understandeth it not,
22:15 then cometh the wicked one
22:17 and catches away that which was sown
22:20 in his heart... " and if you go back over...
22:22 just look at verse... let's see, verse four, I believe it is,
22:28 verse 3... "And he spake many things
22:31 unto them in a parable, saying,
22:32 Behold, a sower went forth to sow:
22:33 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side,
22:36 and the fowls came and devoured them up... "
22:39 so here's the question,
22:40 if the seed falling on the wayside means,
22:43 "Oh yeah, nothing's going to happen"
22:44 why wouldn't the fowls just leave the seed alone?
22:47 Why wouldn't they just... "oh... "
22:49 no... but the devil is so afraid of what the Word of God can do
22:53 even when it falls by the wayside
22:55 that he'll come and snatch it, he'll come and snatch it...
22:58 he can't run the risk of these wayside hearers,
23:01 these stony ground... because guess what...
23:03 before we came to the Lord, we were one of these grounds,
23:07 All: Hmmm... yes...
23:09 Ivor: We weren't good like... "I am good... " no...
23:10 I was a stony... we were stony hearers...
23:13 we were one of these other grounds
23:15 and the seed was able to penetrate that ground
23:18 and turn us into the...
23:20 James: The Word of God is powerful.
23:21 Ivor: Exactly, so... none of us are born on a white horse,
23:24 right... we come into this world...
23:28 it's just like... you know... okay, we're dealing with red...
23:30 we're dealing... we hate...
23:32 we're dealing with anyone of these...
23:34 James: Compromise... Ivor: Exactly...
23:36 James: bloodless... lifeless...
23:37 Ivor: Yes, so the rider on the white horse is going forth
23:39 to conquer and to pull people
23:42 from these different grounds into where He is.
23:45 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... James: Yeah, yeah, powerful.
23:47 Yvonne: That's the good Word...
23:49 James: It is and this is...
23:50 another thing that's really significant about this is,
23:52 this is the gospel of Matthew,
23:54 this isn't the Book of Revelation
23:56 this is the gospel of Matthew, okay,
23:58 so, this is Jesus talking in the gospel of Matthew,
24:02 but it's Jesus also in the Book of Revelation,
24:05 see... it's the revelation of Jesus Christ,
24:07 it is the gospel... I like to say it this way...
24:11 Revelation is the fifth gospel of the Bible...
24:14 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and Revelation
24:18 because the Book of Revelation
24:19 is the revelation of Jesus Christ
24:21 and it is the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ
24:24 and when we get past the symbols
24:26 and we identify what they mean, "Whoa, wait a minute... "
24:28 okay, these symbols represent these four horses...
24:31 they are four ages in time
24:33 and they represent in symbolic language
24:36 the Christian experience, you have the Apostolic Age
24:39 and you have: accepting Christ, uniting with Christ,
24:41 bringing Christ forth, His birth, His life, His death,
24:45 His resurrection, that's what you're all about
24:46 and as you do that, you connect with him,
24:48 you go forth conquering and to conquer
24:49 and Satan hates that so he tries to persecute you,
24:52 that was in an age in time but it's applicable to us today
24:55 and if that doesn't work he tries to get in there
24:57 and compromise, he gets you to compromise,
24:58 you know, compromise...
24:59 and then he comes and he tries to misrepresent God's character,
25:04 he tries to get you off thinking... "Well, you know... "
25:06 and I know... I've... every one of us probably knows somebody
25:09 or is close to somebody who was a believer or a Christian
25:12 but something happened in their life,
25:14 maybe a death in the family and they're like,
25:17 "How can God allow this to happen,
25:19 how can God allow my dad to die, my child to die?"
25:22 And so, that rider on that pale horse is trying to
25:26 separate us from Christ... the White Horse,
25:29 but... and here's the verse I love
25:31 us to just close with on this whole thing,
25:34 to summarize all of this is... it's in John chapter 1,
25:36 can you read in John chapter 1, Jason read for us
25:38 John one and it's talking here about our...
25:45 it's talking about Jesus,
25:46 I'm going to give you the context but read
25:47 because we're running out of time... read verses 4 and 5.
25:50 Jason: Four and five... James: Hmmm... hmmm...
25:51 Jason: "In him was life;
25:53 and the life was the light of men.
25:55 And the light shineth in darkness;
25:56 and the darkness comprehended it not. "
25:58 James: "Did not overcome it, did not overcome it. "
26:01 That is what we find in various translations of the Bible
26:06 that the translation of that word... "comprehended"
26:09 it means to overcome... to take a hold of...
26:13 to apprehend... and then as Ivor was sharing earlier,
26:17 verse 9 says, "That light was the true light
26:21 which lights every man that comes into the world"
26:24 stony ground here,
26:25 thorny ground here... wherever you are...
26:27 it lights every man that comes into the world,
26:29 that light lights every man that comes into the world,
26:31 so this is just a beautiful picture
26:32 of the gospel in the four horses.
26:34 Jason: Amen... Yvonne: Amen... it's rich.
26:37 James: We need to close out but before we do,
26:41 we need to remind our Viewers
26:42 that they can send their questions in.
26:43 Jason: To sss@3abn. org
26:48 as in Salvation in Symbols and Signs.
26:50 James: @3abn. org and we are looking forward
26:53 to getting those questions, we want to answer those
26:56 in future programs together, so, anyway,
26:59 we need to close out with prayer, who wants to volunteer?
27:01 Ivor: I'll pray. James: Thank you Ivor.
27:03 Ivor: "Heavenly Father, we just want to thank you
27:05 for opening the Word to us,
27:08 for giving us an understanding of the Scripture,
27:10 and Father, we just ask
27:12 that you would continue to open our eyes,
27:14 continue to win our hearts, continue to conquer us Lord,
27:17 may we surrender to your will
27:19 and may we do that which is pleasing in your sight
27:22 may we understand the grace that you have given to us
27:26 and Father, thank you again for your love for us,
27:29 we pray this in Jesus' name, amen. "
27:30 All: "Amen... "
27:32 James: So just in the last few seconds...
27:33 it's going to be important for us...
27:35 to transition now to the fifth horse...
27:38 not the fifth horse... the fifth seal...
27:40 and we've been just looking at this history
27:42 and we're going to find that connects very much with
27:46 what's going to transpire next,
27:48 so we're going to take all the information we've gathered
27:50 and we're going to use that to transition to our next seal
27:53 and as it opens up, poof...
27:55 it's just going to be... it's going to be powerful.
27:57 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... James: Praise God.
27:58 Yvonne: Amen...