Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000037A
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00:29 Okay, we are marching through the trumpets
00:32 and we just finished trumpet number 3 00:35 and moved into trumpet number 4 00:37 and we're going to pick up trumpet number 4... 00:39 review a little bit and then finish it off 00:42 and maybe we'll even get into the fifth trumpet 00:44 which by-the-way is called the "woe," 00:46 in fact there are three... 00:48 the last three trumpets are all called woes 00:50 which is something we need to talk about a little bit 00:52 just so that we can clarify that and understand how that relates 00:55 to the last three trumpets 00:57 but first we need to start with a word of prayer, 00:58 Jason, you want to start us out with a word of prayer 01:00 and then we'll go right into it. 01:02 Jason: "Dear Heavenly Father, as we go into our study today 01:05 Lord, we ask that you would send your Holy Spirit to be with us 01:08 and we are covering some deep material 01:11 and need help understanding it, 01:14 getting a full grasp on it 01:16 please be here with us, in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 01:18 All: "Amen... " 01:20 James: So just to recap what we have taking place here 01:23 is basically this outline of history... prophetic history 01:26 and we paralleled it with the churches and with the seals... 01:29 really with the churches a lot 01:31 because we've been looking at some of the similarities 01:33 between the two and we're in this place 01:35 where Jerusalem is fallen and then you've got 01:39 paganism fallen... Pagan Rome... 01:41 you've got Jerusalem, Judaism, 01:43 Papal... Pagan Rome falling 01:45 and in filling up the vacuum of Pagan Rome 01:48 is the rise of a compromised church, 01:51 it's the "falling away" that Paul predicted 01:53 where the church 01:54 extends out to... it's arm and it's hand to the world 01:58 and they come together but in that process 02:00 this compromising takes place and what that does is... 02:03 it affects the waters of salvation that are made bitter, 02:08 it affects the lights of the heavens so that we don't see 02:13 what's really going on in heaven with Christ 02:15 in mediation and intercession which... 02:16 to this... to Daniel chapter 8 02:18 and the Sanctuary and the truth being cast to the ground 02:21 and it's time prophecy predicting 02:22 it will be for so many days... 2,300 days... 02:26 and here that whole history is summarized 02:29 in the context in verse 12 of the fourth angel sounding 02:33 and the third part of the sun 02:35 and the moon and the stars being smitten 02:37 because when this compromise took place, 02:38 there were a lot of people who said, 02:40 "No, we're not going to compromise our faith, 02:42 we can't compromise Christ, we can't change what we believe, 02:45 we're going to hold to what the Bible says" 02:47 and a divide took place, a division took place 02:50 and those who held to the truth of the Bible 02:52 during the Dark Ages as that compromise began to take place, 02:56 they we persecuted by those who did not. 02:59 The gospel doesn't call us to persecute anyone. 03:01 Yvonne: Right. 03:03 James: Jimmy Carter once said, 03:04 "The religion of Christ never persecuted anyone" 03:05 but when you hold to the gospel and refuse to give it up 03:09 and others have compromised that gospel, 03:12 then, an enmity can develop there 03:15 where they will actually persecute you 03:17 because you hold to that truth 03:18 and that's what happened, for example, with Cain and Abel. 03:21 Yvonne: Persecution from within. 03:22 James: Yeah, the persecution with those who... 03:24 who profess to be holy, 03:26 Cain and Abel, both were worshipping God. 03:28 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 03:29 James: Supposedly... but one was holding to the gospel, 03:31 the lamb... the sacrifice... and the other was not, 03:33 he slipped into a righteousness by works 03:36 and when he was rebuked by his brother, 03:37 he killed his brother... he persecuted his brother. 03:40 Ivor: We can take it back to heaven again, 03:42 remember in heaven there was war 03:43 and one-third turned on the two-thirds, 03:47 right, one-third... that number of rebellion 03:49 that was supposed to represent God's people 03:52 are warring against those... 03:54 so... that vision that you're talking about... that split... 03:57 is what we see occurring here... all in the name of Christ 04:00 and yet what you have is the wheat and the tares 04:04 right, you have those who claim to worship God. 04:07 Jesus said, "The time is coming where they that kill you 04:10 will think they're doing God a service. " 04:13 Jason: You know, sometimes change can be uncomfortable 04:16 and it seems like some people pick their religion 04:19 based on their lifestyle so they try and choose a religion 04:23 that fits their lifestyle rather than 04:25 changing their lifestyle to fit what Christ asks of us. 04:29 James: That's a really good point, Jason, I like that, 04:33 and that is so true because even when we look for 04:36 religions that are going to allow us to continue 04:39 living or doing the things that we do, 04:40 we're not going to necessarily find the truth, 04:42 but when we find the truth, but here's what's really... 04:45 I think it's really powerful, 04:46 I was telling you about my Catholic upbringing 04:47 and God is merciful 04:50 but He wants me to come to a knowledge of the truth 04:53 but He doesn't want to violate my freedom of choice 04:56 and my conscience and... so I'm living this life 04:58 and my life is getting worse and worse and worse, 05:01 in many respects and I'm making choices 05:03 that are okay with my church, let's say, 05:05 as long as I go to confession every week 05:06 but they're bringing dire results... into my life, 05:10 dire experiences into my life 05:12 and finally, I'm just completely exasperated 05:16 with religion and I cry out to God 05:18 and I experience Christ in a personal, powerful way 05:23 and it liberates me from things 05:25 that I knew I couldn't get rid of like alcohol, for example, 05:29 He liberates me and in that newfound freedom, 05:32 I fall in love with Him and in falling in love with Him 05:35 when I read Bible verses that say, 05:37 "If you love me, keep my commandments" 05:39 I start thinking, "Whoa... I do love Christ, 05:43 I'm going to keep His commandments" 05:45 and I start going to church on Sunday 05:46 because I didn't know any 05:49 different than going to church on Sunday 05:50 but I knew that was the Commandments, 05:52 the Commandments... you know, you go to church, 05:53 you keep the Sabbath day, 05:54 "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... " 05:56 and then I'm challenged by my sister 05:58 who happens to be studying the Bible 06:00 which I've never studied up to that point 06:01 and she tells me, "Actually, the Bible teaches 06:05 you should go to church on Saturday" 06:07 and I'm thinking, "That's crazy... that's nuts... 06:11 nobody goes to church on Saturday" 06:12 well, by the way, there are a few million people 06:14 that do and always have gone to church on the Bible Sabbath, 06:17 and so... the point is though 06:20 is that as I fall in love with Jesus, 06:23 as He is placed into the bitter waters, 06:25 as He becomes the center of Bible prophecy 06:27 then it is... that I have the motivation 06:29 the love of Christ constrains us... 06:31 rather than looking for the religion 06:34 that will fit my lifestyle, 06:35 I'm simply looking to submit my lifestyle to the Bible 06:39 because I found the Savior, 06:40 I found someone that can actually take... 06:41 change my lifestyle and cause me to love those things 06:44 that I don't really care for 06:46 and to hate those things that I once lived for 06:49 and that motivates me to be open to whatever the Bible has to say 06:53 that's... and so that's what we want to introduce people to 06:56 not just to truth... but to Jesus 06:57 we want to introduce them to Jesus... 06:59 and that's what Satan is about here 07:01 in Revelation chapter 8 and verse 12 07:03 it says, "And the fourth angel sounded, 07:05 and the third part of the sun was smitten, 07:07 the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; 07:09 so the third part of them was darkened, 07:11 and the day shone not for a third part of it, 07:13 and the night likewise. " 07:14 The day and the night... I think it's extra emphasis, 07:17 I think this is a key verse, a pivotal point in this prophecy 07:22 and so there's emphasis on all this light... 07:25 not just the heavenly luminaries but the day and the night 07:28 day is day because of the sun 07:32 and night is night in relation to the moon 07:36 and there's something very simple 07:39 and very practical about understanding 07:42 that those two luminaries are darkened, 07:44 the first one is Malachi, for example, chapter 4 verse 2 07:49 if you can look that verse up, Yvonne, 07:50 Malachi 4 verse 2... really interesting verse... 07:54 when it comes to describing the sun 07:59 and then another one, Jason, 08:01 that I was thinking, maybe you could look up would be... 08:03 John chapter 1... John chapter 1 08:08 and I'm going to give you a bunch of verses there 08:09 but if you can just start with verse 1 08:12 it seems Yvonne's done with Malachi 4:2. 08:15 Yvonne: Malachi 4:2, "But unto you that fear my name 08:18 shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; 08:21 and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. " 08:25 James: "The Sun of righteousness... " 08:26 how does that spell that sun? 08:28 Yvonne: Sun... James: Sun... 08:29 James: Okay, so here is a direct connection again 08:33 to our Bible verse... the day is when the sun shines, 08:36 sun... what is the sun that's being obscured? 08:39 What is the day that's being obscured during this apostasy? 08:42 The Sun of righteousness... Jesus Christ. 08:44 He's being obscured... He's being counterfeited... 08:46 He's being left out of the picture... 08:48 His High Priestly work... 08:49 the work that He is doing in the Heavenly Sanctuary 08:51 is being left out of the picture. 08:52 Ivor: And so, when the sun is darkened, 08:54 I mean, when the sun is not shining, 08:56 you have darkness, 08:57 this entire period of time is called the Dark Ages, 09:01 they shut out the light of Christ 09:04 so if you shut out the light, then... what do you have left? 09:08 Darkness... but even in darkness... 09:10 God doesn't leave us without... without light. 09:13 Yvonne: Hmmm... 09:14 Ivor: So what light does He give us in the darkness? 09:17 James: Yeah, let's go to these verses and I ask 09:21 Jason to read and then that's... I like... I like that. 09:24 Jason: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, 09:27 and the Word was God. " 09:29 James: Verse 4... Jason: Verse 4... 09:30 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. " 09:33 James: Ooooh... verse 5... 09:34 Jason: "And the light shineth in darkness; 09:36 and the darkness comprehended it not. " 09:37 James: And then verse 9... 09:39 Jason: "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man 09:42 that cometh into the world. " 09:44 James: Light, light, light, light, light... 09:46 it's all about Jesus, it's all about Jesus 09:48 but I want you to notice again, verse 1, 09:50 can you read that first verse again? 09:52 Jason: Sure, "In the beginning was the Word, 09:54 and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. " 09:56 James: The Word... so we're not just talking about 09:59 anything... we're talking about the Word... 10:01 the specific attack was not just on the righteousness of Christ, 10:05 but it was also on the Bible... 10:06 the Word of God itself was being attacked during this time 10:09 the Bible became a book 10:11 that was not made available to the people 10:14 and it was also a book that it was illegal to have, 10:17 you could not have a Bible, 10:19 common people didn't own one, 10:20 they didn't know what the Word of God taught, 10:22 so, of course, if you're a religion 10:24 that assumes to have the prerogatives of Christ on earth, 10:30 and you're teaching things that are wrong, 10:33 how are people going to know that if they don't have a Bible? 10:35 Yvonne: Right. Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:36 James: So this is one of the ways 10:38 that so many people were put in the darkness 10:40 because the Bible wasn't made available. 10:42 Jason: That's a thing to... I guess, something to look at 10:46 in today's time too because there are a lot of people 10:49 that go to church and they just 10:51 take what the Preacher's saying, 10:52 you have to study the Word for yourself 10:54 because you can still end up lost... 10:57 you don't know if... I mean... your Pastor is human, 10:59 he might misquote something by accident, 11:01 or he might do it on purpose, you never know 11:04 and if you're not in the Word of God yourself, 11:07 you're not going to know the difference. 11:08 James: It still applies to us today... 11:10 we've got to be in the Word of God today, 11:12 we've got to be following the Bible today. 11:13 I think one of the dangers that I've experienced 11:16 in the modern world is that there are so many Bibles 11:18 and so many Bible translations 11:20 and I think that we need to remember 11:22 that the Bible today 11:24 is the best-selling book in the world every year, 11:28 it would be on America's top bestseller list 11:31 every single year... but it's just taken for granted, 11:35 I mean, in other words, 11:37 you can't just put it on there every single year, 11:39 but it is... and one of the... 11:41 one of the negatives about that is that 11:44 there are a lot of companies that produce Bibles, 11:46 simply to make a profit 11:48 so the Bible is produced to make money 11:50 not because the people producing it 11:52 necessarily believe in it or believe that it's a book 11:54 that needs to be duplicated and what happens is 11:57 these companies... in order to make money... 11:59 you have to have a Bible 12:01 that's not copyrighted by somebody else 12:02 because you're not going to make the money 12:04 on somebody else's Bible, it's copyrighted... 12:05 so you have to... and in order to have your own Bible, 12:07 you have to change the Bible enough 12:09 a certain percentage 12:11 in order for you to have your own copyright. 12:12 Jason: That's a scary thing. 12:14 James: So every year we have new Bibles coming out, 12:16 we have, The Teenager Bible 12:18 and the Kids' Bible and the Fisherman's Bible 12:20 the Hunter's Bible, we have Sports Person's Bible, 12:22 we have the Grandpa's Bible and the Aunt's Bible, 12:24 and we have the Ladies' Bible and we have the... 12:26 all these different versions, The Chronological Bible... 12:28 you start reading through... 12:30 I read through The Chronological Bible 12:31 a couple of years ago, I don't recommend it to anyone 12:33 because the footnotes are terrible, 12:34 the footnotes actually undermine the Bible, 12:37 I'm thinking, "Why are they saying this? 12:40 This is the Bible... " it... it was amazing 12:43 but it was published by a secular company 12:45 basically to make money... 12:46 and so we can see the same thing happening today 12:49 that we're talking about here in this prophecy. 12:51 Yvonne: So, scholarship wise... 12:53 which Bibles do you guys recommend? 12:55 If our Viewers want to know, "What Bible should we get?" 12:59 Because there are so many versions out there 13:02 and sometimes it's really nice to do the 13:04 parallel version comparison you know, 13:07 but you want to make sure that you have a standard 13:10 against which you can base all of them. 13:13 James: So, I absolutely recommend... 13:16 every single person needs to have in their library 13:19 King James or a New King James, that Bible stands alone 13:22 as the standard... it's based on the Textus Receptus, 13:25 it's a completely different set of manuscripts 13:27 than most of the other modern versions 13:30 which are all based on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus 13:32 the Westcott-Hort Greek or the Nestles 13:36 and they are two different families of manuscripts 13:40 that bring us to those versions 13:41 so a lot of people like the NIV... the ESV... the NAS... 13:45 all of those are easy re-translations 13:48 and some of them are more accurate than certain verses 13:51 in the King James or the New King James 13:53 so it's not an issue of excluding modern versions 13:57 or excluding all those versions 13:58 but it's an issue of... like you said, 13:59 of having a standard and for me, it's the King James 14:02 or the New King James... that's the standard 14:04 and if you're really going to study the Bible, 14:06 you've got to have a King James and a New King James 14:08 because that's where you're going to find the Bible 14:10 in it's whole... some of these other versions 14:13 even in the margin it will say, 14:15 "These verses aren't found in the earlier manuscripts" 14:18 and I could go into all the history of that 14:20 but we don't have time, or... they aren't there... 14:22 there'll be verses that actually aren't there, 14:24 they're not in there. Yvonne: Right. 14:26 James: So that's my take on that. 14:28 Ivor: KJB... and I'll use other translations 14:32 and kind of compare and... so, I think it's good to... 14:36 I'll just always love the KJB, 14:38 that's what I came into the church... I mean... 14:40 I didn't even know they had other translations 14:42 so I was like, "Okay, KJB, here we go" 14:44 I had no idea that there were other translations 14:47 until sometime afterward but it's just my favorite, 14:51 I think it's... for me it reads the best 14:53 and it just... I think... comparing the other Scriptures 15:01 you use the other versions to what you see here, 15:04 can sometimes help round out a picture for you 15:07 but this is what I use, that's what I have so... 15:11 but regarding the night... 15:15 and we're talking about the Bible and the Sun... 15:19 in the night... we were saying that God still leaves us a light 15:24 right and in 2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 19 15:26 and I'll... I'll go ahead and read it 15:29 because I have it open right here... here is what it says, 15:31 "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; 15:35 whereunto you do well that you take heed, 15:38 as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, 15:41 until the day dawn, 15:43 and the day star arise in your hearts... " 15:45 Ivor: So, in this verse... prophecy is that light 15:50 when there's darkness around right, 15:53 so we're to be dependent upon prophecy 15:57 when there's darkness until the day star arise in your heart... 16:01 until the day dawns... so, okay, 16:03 they block out the Sun... all right, there's darkness... 16:05 okay, but you know what? 16:06 In darkness, prophecy can guide us 16:09 and keep our steps and so, what do they do? 16:12 They shut out the light of the night as well, 16:15 in other words... they manipulate Bible prophecy 16:20 right... to... because here's what was happening, 16:24 we have the Reformation coming up on the... 16:27 upon the scene during the time of this... 16:30 James: And even Paul is predicting the very falling away 16:34 that is being fulfilled by this... 16:36 Ivor: Absolutely, absolutely, and so what they're doing is... 16:38 as more and more fingers eventually begin to point 16:41 to the Papacy as... "wait a minute... you... 16:44 wait a minute... wait a minute, 16:45 bitter waters... sun being darkened, moon... " 16:49 and as more fingers are pointing and realizing, 16:52 "Wait a minute, the Papacy is actually in Bible prophecy" 16:55 they're like, "No, no... " 16:57 they're obscuring those prophecies to say, 16:59 "That's not us... no, no, no, no, no... 17:01 that's some other time... " 17:03 we kind of talked about this a little bit earlier, 17:04 Futurism and Preterism... 17:05 the sun and the moon we're told... 17:10 were put in the sky to help us discern times and seasons, 17:14 according to Daniel 7, the Bible says, 17:17 "This little horn will think to change times and laws... " 17:21 in other words... "We're going to manipulate prophecy 17:24 so that you can't point to us as a fulfillment 17:27 of the very things we're fulfilling. " 17:29 Yvonne: Ah... 17:30 Ivor: But there's another verse I'm going to show you, 17:31 just go back with me to the Book of Proverbs 31 17:34 and then we can elaborate on this a little bit more 17:37 but in Proverbs 31 we talked about 17:40 the fact that Proverbs 31 describes the woman... 17:43 right, who was a representation of the church... the true church 17:47 and in Proverbs 31... verse... I believe it's verse... 17:53 let's see here... verse 18... 17:56 speaking about this woman, it says, 17:59 "She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: 18:01 her candle goeth not out by night. " 18:05 Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:06 Ivor: "Her candle goeth not out by night... " 18:09 so here you have this true woman 18:11 the Bible says, the true church... 18:12 the true woman... she has the light of prophecy, 18:15 that light doesn't go out by night 18:17 but in Revelation you've got this power... 18:20 seeking to darken the light that is given for those in darkness. 18:25 All: Hmmm... 18:27 Ivor: Taking away prophecy... 18:28 and we know that this is exactly what happened 18:30 during the Dark Ages... 18:31 the Word of God is tampered with 18:33 as a result, prophecy is misunderstood, 18:36 I mean, they're keeping the Word of God from the people, 18:39 there's compromise... all these things are happening 18:42 and what's important for us to... and this is something... 18:45 remember in the last program I was like, 18:47 "I'm going to say something... no I shouldn't say it... " 18:48 Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah... yeah... 18:50 Ivor: Well, I'll say half of it now 18:51 and half of it now is this, 18:53 you'll notice that the 3rd and 4th trumpets 18:56 appear to deal with doctrinal issues, 19:00 with spiritual teachings... right... Bible... 19:04 prophecy... light... what we're going to see 19:09 as we get to the 5th and 6th trumpet, 19:12 is that these seem to be more military... 19:15 right, more political as it were in nature... 19:19 now remember, what is the Papacy? 19:21 It's a Church... James: Ecclesiastical Power... 19:25 Ivor: State... Entity... 19:26 it is a religio-political power so, if we're right, 19:31 then look at what's happening 19:32 in trumpets 3 and 4, God is revealing the weakness 19:38 of the "religion side" of it, 19:41 in trumpets number 5 and 6, we're going to see 19:44 the political or military aspect 19:47 and both of these together combined 19:50 is what helps to bring down the fall of the Papacy in 1798, 19:56 remember when the trumpet is blown, 19:57 it means the enemies of God's people are going to fall, 19:59 we don't see a fall... 20:01 we saw a fall in the first trumpet, 20:03 you know, Jerusalem fell, 20:05 we saw a fall in the second trumpet... Rome fell... 20:08 but in trumpet number 3 we don't see a fall... 20:10 we see something being revealed 20:12 in trumpet number 4 we don't see a fall... 20:14 in trumpet number 5 and 6 when those are completed... 20:18 guess what we end up having? The fall of the Papacy... 20:22 those four trumpets together 20:24 help bring about the fall of this religio-political power. 20:28 First two trumpets, trumpets 3 and 4... 20:32 religious in nature, 20:34 trumpets 5 and 6... political in nature... 20:38 James: Okay, a couple of verses that I want to use 20:41 us to look at to confirm this, Yvonne, 20:43 if you can look up for us Daniel chapter 7 20:45 and begin with verse 2 and then I'm going to give 20:48 Jason, Matthew 2:12 to 14... 20:51 so, just picking up where Ivor left off 20:56 on the night... because Daniel 7 verse 2... 20:59 because I've always understood that Sun 21:02 but the night has been a little bit difficult for me, 21:04 and I definitely can connect 21:07 with that verse in 2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 19, 21:09 but as I was thinking about this 21:12 and Ivor and I were chatting about this, 21:13 all of a sudden it hit me, the night... the night... 21:15 the night... what does God do... 21:16 what light does God give us in the night 21:19 that would have been obscured by this power... 21:21 Ivor already nailed it but I want Bible verses 21:23 so Daniel chapter 7 verse 2 21:25 and I want you to read verses 2, 7 and 13. 21:28 Yvonne: "Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, 21:32 and, behold, the four winds of the heaven 21:35 strove upon the great sea. " 21:37 James: Okay, stop right there, he saw where? 21:39 Yvonne: In the night... 21:41 James: In his visions at night, what visions were they? 21:43 Prophetic visions, 21:44 7 prophetic visions, okay, verse 7. 21:46 Yvonne: "After this I saw in the night visions, 21:49 and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, 21:53 and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: 21:56 it devoured and brake in pieces, 21:58 and stamped the residue with the feet of it: 22:00 and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; 22:03 and it had ten horns. " 22:05 James: Okay, now verse 13. 22:06 Yvonne: "I saw in the night visions, and behold, 22:10 one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, 22:13 and came to the Ancient of days, 22:15 and they brought him near before him. " 22:17 James: Night vision, night vision, 22:18 night vision, night vision. Yvonne: Yeah. 22:19 James: Do you have night vision? Do you have night vision? 22:22 See, God's people have night visions 22:25 and those night visions come from God 22:27 and they help us to understand where we are 22:29 especially when the sun is obscured, 22:31 the night vision helps us to understand where we are. 22:33 So, he's trying to obscure the Sun... 22:34 Christ's righteousness, the gospel 22:36 and he's also trying to obscure prophecy... see that... okay 22:40 what else does prophecy do, Jason, Matthew chapter 2 22:43 verses 12 through 14. 22:45 Jason: Okay, "And being warned of God 22:47 in a dream that they should not return to Herod, 22:50 they departed into their own country another way. 22:53 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord 22:56 appeareth to Joseph in a dream saying, 22:59 Arise, and take the young child and his mother, 23:01 and flee into Egypt, 23:02 and be thou there until I bring thee word: 23:04 for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. 23:08 When he arose, he took the young child 23:17 and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt. " 23:20 James: Okay, the angel is coming to the Magi... the wise men 23:23 telling... "Hey, don't go back to Herod" 23:25 when does he come to them? At night. 23:26 The angel comes to Joseph, 23:28 "Hey, you need to flee into Egypt" 23:30 which, by the way, was a prophecy... 23:31 of Him fleeing into Egypt. 23:34 God's people were also taken into Egypt by Joseph 23:40 you remember that? Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 23:42 James: Joseph took them in to take care of them 23:44 so, Egypt was a place where God's people were 23:46 protected for a while in the Old Testament, 23:48 Egypt was a place where Jesus was protected for a while 23:51 in the New Testament, 23:53 and both of those visions were given... 23:55 well, both of those visions... 23:56 the specific vision that Joseph had was given to him at night. 23:59 So God, not only gives us prophetic visions 24:02 but also gives us instruction, direction, 24:05 that's being obscured by this power, 24:08 when it says the sun and it says the night... 24:10 all of that is being obscured by this power 24:11 so we won't have the direction of the Word, 24:13 we won't have the direction of prophecy, 24:14 we won't have the instruction 24:17 that God wants to give us from heaven... 24:19 those luminaries are obscured... 24:21 darkness... and we don't know what to do. 24:22 Honest people have not known what to do 24:25 because those visions and those prophecies 24:28 were obscured or they were... they were misinterpreted 24:30 to mean something that... that God never intended. 24:33 Ivor: I'm going to mention something here 24:35 that I think... will set us up for our next program as well. 24:37 James: Okay. 24:38 Ivor: Is that what... and this is the... 24:40 this is the principle that... 24:42 another principle that we should mention 24:45 is the way that we come to the Book of Revelation 24:50 to understand it is that we allow prophecy 24:53 to show us what history we're looking for. 24:56 James: Yes. 24:58 Ivor: We don't look at history 24:59 and then go back and try to find it in prophecy 25:02 right, we understand the prophecy... 25:05 we understand... we try to understand the prophecy first, 25:08 what is the framework? What should I be looking for? 25:10 And then once you get that, 25:12 "Okay, now I know what I'm looking for... " 25:14 and you go and you find it in history. 25:15 What gets a lot of people in trouble is that, 25:18 they'll look at something historical 25:19 and go, "Okay, this must be prophecy" 25:21 and then go back and... you see what I'm saying? 25:23 So we become more "history based" 25:26 in our prophecy... "What is...?" 25:28 Versus, prophecy based... in our prophecy... 25:30 so, for example, as we just said, 25:32 looking at these four trumpets so far... 25:35 we were able to say, "Look, according to the prophecy 25:38 these are the things we should be looking for" 25:41 not... "Is there history that fulfills it. " 25:43 "Ah, yes there is... look... look... " 25:45 it's obvious, right? 25:47 We know we're looking for... we know the generals... 25:49 and so, we're like, "Okay, this fits in... " 25:52 this is going to be crucial when we get to trumpet number 5 25:56 and trumpet number 6 because all we have to do 25:58 to understand the parameters, all we have to do 26:01 is say, "Okay, well, let's look for the history," 26:03 we know what we're looking for, 26:05 "Where is the history?" And guess what? 26:06 It's right there before our eyes. 26:08 Yvonne: Hmmm... 26:09 Ivor: So I just thought it's important for us 26:10 to kind of set the path as we get into trumpet number 5. 26:15 James: Okay, and then one last thought here 26:17 and that's verse 13 26:20 which really isn't a trumpet, per se... 26:23 it's kind of... instruction 26:24 and the instruction that we have here is, 26:26 basically telling us that the last three trumpets 26:29 are called, "woes. " 26:31 Verse 13 in Revelation 8, "And I beheld, 26:33 and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, 26:36 saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, 26:39 to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices 26:43 of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!" 26:45 The last three trumpets are called "Woes" 26:48 and I just want to clarify this, 26:50 it's not that there are three woes and three trumpets, 26:52 so six... that's not what he's saying here, 26:55 he's simply saying, "the woes are the trumpets" 26:57 but these specific trumpets are called, "woes" 26:59 and that's for a specific reason 27:02 and the "woes" are to the inhabitants of the earth 27:04 and we can close this with the idea that... 27:07 that we don't want to be an inhabiter of the earth, 27:10 we want to be sitting in heavenly places 27:12 with Christ Jesus. Yvonne: Amen. 27:14 James: And when we find ourselves 27:15 sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus, 27:16 we're going to find that these woes aren't really for us, 27:20 we are going to be protected or covered, if you will, 27:25 in fact, in the first one, it talks about 27:27 "not hurting those who have the seal of God" 27:29 we're going to be protected or covered 27:31 from these "Woes" 27:33 that are coming upon the inhabitants of the earth 27:35 and that's really what we want. 27:36 Yvonne: Amen. 27:37 James: So, Jason, what do we have for connecting with us 27:40 for those who have questions? 27:42 Jason: Oh, if they have questions, 27:44 they can submit it to sss@3abn. org 27:46 we'd love some video questions. 27:49 James: Yes, video questions, any questions you have 27:53 bring them to sss@3abn. org now when we get together, 27:56 again, we're going to be moving right in 27:57 to Revelation chapter 9. |
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