Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000041A
00:29 Okay, we are moving on... maybe... okay...
00:33 we're done with Revelation 9, kind of...
00:37 we're in Revelation chapter 10,
00:39 we're going to be looking at the little book
00:40 but we want to seal this up, we just...
00:43 there are a couple of areas
00:44 where maybe you got some questions
00:46 I think would be good for our Viewers to just rehash
00:48 and make sure we nail it down so we'll go through those
00:51 then we'll move into Revelation chapter 10
00:53 and we'll read verses 1 through 7
00:54 and then we'll take off... it's going to be good because
00:58 Revelation chapter 10, it's like... phew... finally...
01:01 we're in this chapter that's a little easier
01:02 you know, Revelation 8 and 9... those are hard chapters...
01:05 and if our Viewers are struggling with some of that...
01:08 I don't blame them... because it is...
01:10 it's difficult stuff... it's difficult territory
01:11 and that's why I think it would be good for us
01:12 to review a couple of points there
01:14 that maybe we need to cover with more clarity.
01:15 Yvonne: Yeah.
01:16 James: So, Yvonne, have prayer for us can you
01:18 and then we'll get into it.
01:19 Yvonne: Sure, "Father, thank you so very much
01:21 for all that you've been doing for us and through us Lord, God,
01:25 we just pray to be used by you, we pray for your Spirit
01:29 to prevail here... that every Viewer, every Listener
01:33 will be blessed and hearts will be turned to you,
01:36 thank you so much for the presence of your Holy Spirit
01:39 in Jesus' name, amen. "
01:41 All: "Amen... "
01:42 Yvonne: I have a question. James: Let's go for it.
01:46 Yvonne: Okay, in Revelation 9 and it's verse 19...
01:50 James: Gotcha...
01:52 Yvonne: And it says,
01:53 "For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails:
01:56 for their tails were like unto serpents,
01:59 and had heads, and with them they do hurt. "
02:01 Heads and tails... what are those?
02:03 James: Whew... heads and tails,
02:05 I'll do the heads and I'll let Ivor do the tails.
02:06 Ivor: Yeah... hmmm...
02:08 James: Okay, so the powers and the heads...
02:10 remember, this is a religio-political power
02:12 so, militarily the "heads"
02:15 it's talking about the use of gunpowder,
02:18 it's talking about the fire... in the previous verse it says,
02:21 "By these three were the third part of the men killed,
02:25 by the fire, the smoke and the brimstone. "
02:26 Yvonne: Hmmm...
02:28 James: The Ottoman Empire was the first Empire
02:31 to use gunpowder in battle and it was specifically used
02:34 against Constantinople and when they marched into war,
02:38 when they went to war, they went...
02:39 they were on horseback... that's why it says there,
02:41 "the horses were a thousand times ten thousand...
02:43 two hundred thousand thousand"
02:44 horses were the main mode of operation for the Ottomans,
02:49 for the early rise of the Muslim power
02:52 and they plate armored their horses
02:54 and they'd have these muskets
02:56 and they would shoot the muskets
02:57 and it looked like the fire was coming out
02:59 of the mouth of the horses that looked like lions
03:01 because they looked, you know, like they were going...
03:03 so, that's the part of it that deals with the "heads"
03:06 their power... the power to bring down Constantinople,
03:09 the power to win these victories came from their development
03:13 invention... development... of gunpowder in battle,
03:15 what about their tails?
03:16 Ivor: Isaiah 9:15, the Bible tells us there
03:21 that the prophet that teacheth lies... he is the tail...
03:24 "the prophet that teacheth lies... he is the tail"
03:27 and... so when you look at this Movement,
03:30 again it's a religious... religio-political movement
03:33 but they have at the head, a prophet,
03:36 and the prophet denies the Son of God as the Messiah
03:42 and also the Holy Spirit
03:45 so this is just pointing to the fact that this is another power
03:48 it's not necessarily... like, God used Babylon...
03:52 which was not really submitted to the will of God,
03:56 but He uses this Gentile power, as it were,
04:00 as a chastisement upon His apostate people
04:04 so we find in the very same way that...
04:07 He uses one false religion against another false religion
04:11 and so that's basically what the tail would point us to.
04:15 Yvonne: Good, thank you.
04:17 James: And the power there is the influence that it has.
04:18 Ivor: Exactly...
04:20 James: These teachings have great influence
04:21 I mean, we're talking about over a billion people worldwide,
04:23 they're influenced by these teachings
04:25 they're not totally...
04:26 Ivor: They were stung... they were stung by the tails...
04:28 so there were forced conversions "convert to Islam or die... "
04:33 and this was only to those that they felt were...
04:37 were idols... or were idolaters...
04:40 so, again, they did not touch
04:43 those who had the Seal of God upon their foreheads
04:47 but only those who... they felt were idolators...
04:50 "convert or die... "
04:52 James: "So, if you don't comply to what we teach... it's over. "
04:53 Ivor: Yeah...
04:55 James: Basically... so that's what we see in the history
04:57 and it continues to this day. Yvonne and Ivor: Yes.
04:59 James: And even Papacy continues to this day...
05:01 all of this continues to this day
05:02 and we're going to see an amazing summary of all of this
05:05 when we get to Revelation 17. Yvonne: Hmmm...
05:07 James: Revelation 17 goes through each one of these.
05:09 Ivor: Yeah, and just remember, this is exactly...
05:11 this was the exact technique of the Papacy...
05:13 "convert or die... "
05:15 Yvonne: So... there are two...
05:19 these two powers then that are using the same methods.
05:23 Ivor: Exactly, exactly, so remember,
05:26 "he that kills with a sword... must be killed with a sword. "
05:28 "He that leads into captivity must go into captivity"
05:32 remember, under the trumpets,
05:35 everything that they tried to use to their advantage,
05:38 becomes... is used against them. Yvonne: Hmmm...
05:41 Ivor: And so that's what we're seeing here
05:43 throughout each trumpet,
05:45 the error they teach... it turns back on them
05:49 as we'll see in our presentation on Revelation 11
05:53 with the rise of Atheism coming out of an abyss
05:57 that really... they helped bring about...
06:01 they brought about these Dark Ages
06:04 and so... okay... here comes these things
06:06 out of what... yeah... as a result of what you've done.
06:10 Jason: I wonder if that's where the saying,
06:11 "Live by the sword... die by the sword" comes from.
06:14 James: It is... in fact that's a Biblical saying.
06:17 A lot of sayings that we use in secular society
06:19 are based on the Bible, like "scapegoat"
06:22 "Don't make me a scapegoat... " that's based on the Bible.
06:24 James: "Handwriting on the wall. "
06:26 "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. "
06:28 Jesus actually said that to Peter
06:30 in the Garden of Gethsemane,
06:31 when Peter pulled out his sword and got ready...
06:32 "Put away your sword...
06:34 he that kills with a sword must be killed with a sword. "
06:36 That's right out of the Bible and there's a ton of sayings...
06:39 that we use in secular society today
06:41 that actually have their origins in the Word of God.
06:44 All right, think we've sewn up Revelation 9?
06:45 Yvonne: Yeah.
06:47 James: Okay, let's move into Revelation 10.
06:48 Jason, take us into Revelation 10
06:50 and read for us verses 1 through 7, please.
06:52 Jason: All right, "And I saw another mighty angel
06:55 come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud:
06:57 and a rainbow was upon his head,
06:59 and his face was as it were the sun,
07:01 and his feet as pillars of fire:
07:03 And he had in his hand a little book open:
07:06 and he set his right foot upon the sea,
07:09 and his left foot on the earth,
07:11 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth:
07:14 and when he had cried,
07:15 seven thunders uttered their voices.
07:17 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices,
07:20 I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven
07:23 saying unto me, Seal up those things
07:25 which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
07:28 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
07:32 lifted up his hand to heaven,
07:33 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever,
07:36 who created heaven, and the things that therein are,
07:39 and the earth, and the things that therein are,
07:42 and the sea, and the things which are therein,
07:44 that there should be time no longer:
07:47 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
07:50 when he shall begin to sound,
07:52 the mystery of God should be finished,
07:53 as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. "
07:56 James: You did a great job reading the King James Version
07:59 it is not easy to read that sometimes
08:01 especially in verse 6 there... you did great.
08:03 Okay, I think we should start at verse 1
08:06 and just go through it step by step by step,
08:08 just do a systematic interpretation
08:10 of the seven verses so going back to verse 1,
08:12 "I saw another mighty angel come down from...
08:15 and He is clothed with the sun" okay oh,
08:17 "clothed with the cloud," excuse me,
08:20 and "a rainbow was upon his head
08:21 and his face was like the sun, his feet as pillars of fire"
08:23 this is a description of what we find
08:26 also in Revelation chapter 1 which describes the Son of man,
08:29 let's look in Revelation chapter 1
08:31 and look here in verses 10, 11, no, not 10... 11...
08:40 I'm thinking of verses 13, 14, 15.
08:44 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
08:47 James: Yvonne, do you want to read those for us?
08:50 Yvonne: Sure, "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks
08:53 one like unto the Son of man,
08:55 clothed with a garment down to the foot,
08:57 and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
09:00 His head and his hairs were white like wool,
09:02 as white as snow;
09:04 and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
09:06 And his feet like unto fine brass,
09:09 as if they burned in a furnace;
09:11 and his voice as the sound of many waters. "
09:13 James: Now, I want you to open to the book of Daniel
09:17 chapter 10... Daniel chapter 10...
09:21 I want you to look at the description that we find here
09:23 in Daniel chapter 10, this is going to be significant.
09:26 In Daniel 10 I want you to look at the description
09:28 in verses 5 and 6...
09:31 Yvonne: You want me to read it? James: Yeah, please.
09:34 Yvonne: "Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked,
09:37 and behold a certain man clothed in linen,
09:40 whose loins were girded with the fine gold of Uphaz:
09:43 His body also was like the beryl,
09:46 and his face as the appearance of lightning,
09:48 and his eyes as lamps of fire,
09:50 and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass,
09:54 and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. "
09:57 James: Okay, you see the similarities
09:59 between these descriptions? Yvonne: Yeah...
10:01 James: These descriptions are all pointing us to
10:04 someone who's coming in this glorified image
10:08 and in Revelation 1,
10:10 He's identified as the Son of man... Jesus Christ...
10:13 in Revelation chapter 10 He's identified as an angel
10:16 in Daniel chapter 10... He's identified as "a certain man"
10:21 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
10:22 James: I want you to look in Daniel chapter 12
10:25 and we're going to make an amazing connection here
10:27 between Daniel 12 and Revelation 10,
10:31 here's where the connection is going to be...
10:32 between these two chapters, what I wanted to mention was
10:35 that there are a couple of places in the book of Revelation
10:37 that connect very strongly
10:39 to the book of Daniel. Yvonne: Hmmm...
10:40 James: The first place is Revelation chapter 10,
10:43 Revelation chapter 10 makes a strong connection
10:45 to the book of Daniel which we're about to find
10:47 and then Revelation 13 also makes a strong connection
10:50 to the book of Daniel and so,
10:52 this is where we're going to connect the two books together
10:54 so... so Jason, Revelation chapter 12
10:57 and I want you to read for us...
10:59 Yvonne: Revelation 12 or Daniel 12?
11:01 James: Daniel chapter 12, thank you, Yvonne,
11:03 I want you to read for us... let's just start with verse 4
11:07 because that will give us the information we need
11:09 to understand what's happening in Revelation 10,
11:11 so, Daniel 12, verses 4
11:13 and read all the way through to verse 7.
11:16 Jason: Okay, "But thou, O Daniel,
11:18 shut up the words, and seal the book,
11:21 even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro,
11:24 and knowledge shall be increased.
11:27 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold,
11:29 there stood other two,
11:31 the one on this side of the bank of the river,
11:34 and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
11:37 And one said to the man clothed in linen,
11:40 which was upon the waters of the river,
11:42 How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
11:45 And I heard the man clothed in linen,
11:48 which was upon the waters of the river,
11:50 when he held up his right hand
11:52 and his left hand unto heaven... "
11:54 Yvonne: Wow! Jason: Hmmm...?
11:56 Yvonne: No, I'm sorry, I just said, "Wow!"
11:58 James: She got an "ah ha moment"
11:59 Yvonne's having an "ah ha moment. "
12:01 Yvonne: I did... I did... James: She's like, "Oh... "
12:04 Jason: "and sware by him that liveth for ever
12:08 that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;
12:11 and when he shall have accomplished
12:14 to scatter the power of the holy people,
12:15 all these things shall be finished. "
12:17 James: Okay, and we can read on and we could find
12:19 that a couple more time prophecies are given
12:21 so here's the picture,
12:23 I just want to give you an overview of the picture.
12:26 In Daniel 10... this certain man comes to Jesus,
12:28 to Daniel... in this appearance with face like the sun,
12:34 pillars of fire... he's glorified
12:36 he comes to Daniel...
12:37 Daniel says, "Whoa, this certain man... "
12:39 in Daniel 12, this "certain man" is standing
12:42 on the waters of the river
12:43 and he is asked by another certain being,
12:47 "How long is it going to be?"
12:48 Daniel's book is sealed up...
12:50 "How long is it going to be that Daniel's book is sealed up?
12:52 How long is it going to be sealed up for...
12:54 so that it can't be understood?"
12:55 And he lifts his hands to heaven
12:57 and he swares by Him that lives forever and ever... and he says,
12:59 "It's going to be for a time, times, and half a time"
13:02 okay, now, we go back to Revelation chapter 10.
13:05 Ivor: Hold your place right there.
13:06 I want to read verse 8 and 9
13:08 just to connect that scene, right...
13:11 Ivor: In Daniel 12 verse 8 and 9 it says,
13:13 "And I heard, but I understood not:
13:14 then said I, O my Lord,
13:16 what shall be the end of these things?
13:17 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up
13:22 are sealed till the time of the end. "
13:24 So, this connection of "Well, how long?"
13:27 He's not asking how long...
13:30 the question isn't, "how long until the end of the world?"
13:32 The question is: "How long till the end of these things?"
13:35 Well, what things?
13:36 An angel tells us, "Look, at the time of the end
13:39 of this prophecy the book is going to be opened,
13:43 the book will no longer be sealed... "
13:46 and so, that's what we're looking for, go ahead.
13:48 James: That's what we're looking for.
13:50 Daniel's book was sealed and Daniel is asking,
13:52 "How long is it going to be sealed for"
13:54 and the angel stands on the waters,
13:56 lifts his hands to heaven, swears by Him that lives forever
13:58 and says, "It's going to be for a time, times, and half a time
14:00 and all these things are going to happen in these time periods
14:03 and then when you come to the end of these time periods,
14:05 Daniel, you're going to stand in your lot...
14:07 and your book is going to be opened again. "
14:08 All right, now we go to Revelation 10,
14:10 a mighty angel comes down, he's clothed with a cloud,
14:13 with a rainbow on his head, face as the sun,
14:15 feet as pillars of fire...
14:17 same description, okay,
14:18 he has a little book...
14:19 what is the description of the book?
14:21 Open in his hand...
14:23 was there ever a book in the Bible that was ever sealed?
14:26 The book of Daniel was sealed, this is the first indication,
14:29 this is the book of Daniel
14:31 because it's sealed there... it's open here.
14:33 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
14:34 James: Okay, so that's the first connection,
14:35 actually it's the second connection,
14:37 the first connection is, the glorified being that comes
14:39 okay, the second connection... the book is opened,
14:41 notice where he's standing,
14:43 "right foot on the sea... left foot on the earth"
14:47 see... so now in Daniel, he's on the rivers of the waters
14:50 which indicates a limited proclamation of his book...
14:54 but now he's on the sea... on the earth...
14:55 which indicates a worldwide proclamation of his prophecies
14:59 they're no longer going to be sealed
15:01 they're not going to be limited to a certain area,
15:02 they're going to be opened up for the whole world.
15:04 We're going to skip verses 3 and 4,
15:06 and we're going to go to verse 5,
15:08 "And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
15:11 lifted up his hand to heaven... "
15:12 "Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we doing here?"
15:14 Same thing we did... he lifted up his hand to heaven,
15:17 now notice verse 6,
15:18 "And he sware by him that liveth for ever and ever"
15:21 that's the same thing he did in Daniel 12,
15:23 "he swore by him that liveth forever and ever"
15:25 and the things... who created heaven,
15:28 and the things that therein are,
15:29 and the earth and the things that are therein,
15:31 that therein are... and the sea" see you did a good job in that
15:35 "and the sea and the things which are therein,
15:37 that there should be... " what? "time no longer"
15:39 what time is he talking about?
15:41 What time could he be talking about?
15:44 Yvonne: It's the end of time...
15:45 James: Yeah, this is the same time
15:46 during which Daniel's prophecies were to be sealed up.
15:49 They were sealed up for time, times and half a time.
15:52 All that time's over now, your book's open now...
15:55 it's no longer sealed, it's opened up...
15:56 those times have come to an end, "just like I swore by Him
16:00 that had been sealed up for a certain time,
16:01 now, I am coming and I'm swearing again
16:03 and it will be opened, that it's opened. "
16:05 Time no longer... so now, what are we waiting for?
16:08 We are waiting for verse 7,
16:09 the mystery of God to be finished.
16:11 All: Hmmm...
16:13 James: We're no longer waiting for
16:14 a time prophecy to be fulfilled.
16:16 All of the time prophecies are coming to their end right here
16:20 and Daniel's book is going to be unsealed
16:23 and it's going to give an incredible message...
16:26 the message is identified in verses 3 and 4
16:30 as the message of the seven thunders.
16:31 Yvonne: Right.
16:33 James: That message is going to bring
16:35 an end to the mystery of God... that's going to bring
16:38 a fulfillment of the mystery of God
16:40 so what we've got to understand is...
16:41 what we want to understand is this,
16:43 first of all, what are the seven thunders?
16:45 Second of all, what is the mystery of God?
16:47 And third of all,
16:48 what are these final verses talking...
16:50 how do they connect us to all of this...
16:52 to understand all of this?
16:53 Ivor: Let's look at something else, very quickly
16:57 and that's back in verse 1,
16:59 where it talks about... this "being" comes down...
17:03 and His face is... as it were... the sun...
17:07 this is very significant because
17:09 first of all, the time period mentioned in the book of Daniel
17:12 is time, times and a half... 1,260 years
17:15 which is the Dark Ages... and the end of that period, 1798
17:22 it is significant that under the 3rd trumpet...
17:25 under the... I'm sorry, under the 4th trumpet...
17:29 5th trumpet... you have this darkness.
17:34 James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
17:35 Ivor: And at the end of this time period,
17:38 what you have is this "being" that comes down
17:41 with His face like the sun.
17:43 James: Which had been darkened for all those years.
17:45 Ivor: So... and He's got this book that's opened...
17:48 so... light... book that's opened...
17:51 the verse says,
17:53 "darkness... and book doing it's work under persecution,
17:58 book closed up... chaos... "
18:02 this signifies that the people of God
18:05 would be enlightened as it were,
18:08 the Word of God would be opened
18:11 and again, it's significant to see where Revelation...
18:14 where Revelation 10 falls...
18:15 right, we've just come out of the...
18:18 we're looking at what's been going on in the Dark Ages
18:23 and now... we saw previously the work Papacy would do
18:27 and how God would counter that work through
18:30 the Ottoman Empire
18:33 and now we have this book being opened
18:35 which is about to bring understanding...
18:38 this understanding is going to help the people of God advance
18:42 now, something crucial that I want to point out as well,
18:45 Revelation chapter 10 is going to...
18:49 we haven't gotten there yet but we're going to look at
18:52 what we understand... what we call it...
18:54 "the Great Disappointment. " Yvonne: Hmmm...
18:56 Ivor: You'll see as we refer to that
18:58 John is told to "eat this book"
19:00 the book is going to be sweet in his mouth...
19:03 but bitter in his belly... that's not a good experience...
19:07 okay, so, somehow this is going to be a great disappointment
19:11 but were it not for this chapter
19:13 the disappointment would have been so great
19:17 that it would have caused the Movement of God
19:20 to totally disband. James: Hmmm... hmmm...
19:22 Ivor: So this chapter actually helps
19:29 the people of God in their disappointment
19:32 to not totally just say...
19:34 "all right, we're not moving forward anymore...
19:35 there's nothing to move forward for... "
19:37 okay, that's what we're going to see...
19:39 and remember, in connection with the prophecies
19:41 that we just saw fulfilled... in the previous program,
19:44 1840... and 1798... looking at these two dates
19:49 gave momentum to the Movement of God
19:52 and then they run into this roadblock
19:55 which we're going to see in this chapter
19:57 and it's like, "What just happened?"
19:59 they could have turned away just like...
20:01 walked away from it all...
20:03 but this chapter saved the Movement of God.
20:05 James: Yeah... I love that... that sun... that sun revelation
20:08 because we noted in the previous study
20:11 when we talked about what the work of the Papacy was doing
20:14 it was seeking to block out the sun and the night,
20:17 the day and the night didn't shine for them
20:18 and remember how we interpreted the night?
20:20 The day, of course, was interpreted as the Word of God,
20:25 the righteousness of Jesus Christ
20:27 the Son of righteousness and that was blocked out...
20:32 it was obscured... it was replaced by a priestly...
20:34 an earthly, priestly ministry that pointed people to men
20:38 rather than Jesus for forgiveness,
20:39 but the night...
20:41 we know that was interpreted as Bible Prophecy...
20:44 a light that shines in a dark place
20:47 and Daniel received his visions, "in the night vision I saw... "
20:51 "in the night vision I saw... "
20:52 and by the way... in the night vision,
20:53 he saw the establishment and the rise of Little Horn Power
20:56 so, it's really interesting here...
20:59 in Revelation chapter 10 you have
21:01 "his face shining as it was the sun"
21:03 so that's being restored...
21:04 the sun of righteousness being restored...
21:06 and then you have a little book open...
21:08 and the little book is a book of...?
21:09 Daniel... so you have prophecy, prophecy is being restored.
21:12 Ivor: Absolutely.
21:14 James: So you have the day being restored
21:15 and the night being restored, yeah, I really like that.
21:17 Okay, so what about this... this as we move on...
21:21 what about this seven thunders that cries out...
21:24 the thing I want you to notice here,
21:26 that I think is really significant is...
21:28 when the seven thunders utter their voices,
21:31 they're obviously uttering their voices
21:33 from the book of Daniel... that's where it's coming from
21:36 because he sees the book open
21:38 and he hears the voices coming forth from it,
21:39 don't get all mystical on this...
21:42 it's very clear... it's very simple...
21:44 what's happening here...
21:45 seven represents complete and perfect
21:48 and thunder represents the voice of God.
21:50 So it's the complete and perfect voice of God
21:53 that has been communicated to us
21:55 from the prophecies of Daniel, and John is so excited...
21:58 he's like, "Yes, yes... "
22:00 he's probably understanding stuff
22:02 that Daniel just didn't get...
22:04 because you know, he's on the other side,
22:05 he's understanding stuff that Daniel didn't get
22:07 and he says, "Yes, oh man, get me my coat,
22:10 get me my ink, boom, let's write this out"
22:12 and what does he hear?
22:15 Immediately, he hears this voice let's look at it again,
22:17 here it is, in verse 4, who wants to read that?
22:24 Jason: "And when the seven thunders
22:26 had uttered their voices, I was about to write:
22:28 and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
22:30 Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered,
22:33 and write them not. "
22:34 James: "What! I thought this was the revelation...
22:36 I thought the book of Daniel was open... I thought the book...
22:38 I thought we were supposed to understand all of this... "
22:41 what's happening right here, see, Daniel is really...
22:44 excuse me... John is really excited
22:45 about Daniel's prophecies
22:47 but the reason why he's told not to write them
22:49 is further explained in verses 8 and 9
22:54 where we see the development of what Ivor just explained
22:57 as this Movement and disappointment,
23:00 let's just read verses 8 and 9.
23:03 Yvonne: "And the voice which I heard from heaven
23:06 spake unto me again, and said,
23:08 Go and take the little book which is open
23:10 in the hand of the angel
23:11 which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
23:13 And I went unto the angel,
23:15 and said unto him, Give me the little book.
23:17 And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up;
23:20 and it shall make thy belly bitter,
23:22 but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. "
23:24 James: And then verse 10.
23:26 Yvonne: "And I took the little book
23:27 out of the angel's hand, and ate it up;
23:28 and it was in my mouth sweet as honey:
23:31 and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. "
23:33 James: Okay, check this out... check this out...
23:36 John is told not to write
23:40 what he hears from the book of Daniel,
23:43 because it's already written...
23:45 Yvonne: Hmmm...
23:47 James: It's already written,
23:48 it's already been written in the book of Daniel,
23:49 "so you don't need to write it again, John,
23:51 that seven-thunder message that you're hearing
23:53 from the book that's open...
23:54 the seven-thunder message you're hearing
23:56 you don't need to write it out, what you need to do... "
23:57 same voice that told him not to write it,
23:59 "what you need to do is, go to the angel
24:01 and grab the book and eat it... you don't need to write... "
24:04 sometimes we get so caught up in writing, writing, writing,
24:07 writing, writing... and we're not assimilating anything
24:09 and that's what I'm hoping with our Viewers now,
24:11 I'm hoping we just not... it's not that we're just...
24:14 we need to assimilate...
24:15 that's why we're trying to go so slow in this program
24:17 you know, we don't have the time pressure
24:19 and we're not like... "Okay, we got to... "
24:20 we need to assimilate so Daniel's book had been written
24:25 but it hadn't been assimilated
24:26 and even Daniel didn't fully understand it himself
24:29 and so what God is doing here is He's saying,
24:30 "Okay, I'm going to connect you
24:32 with the book of Daniel right now
24:33 okay, those of you who are reading...
24:34 do you see the connections?
24:36 See how we're going through the same parallelism right here,
24:38 "the swearing... the swearing by him...
24:40 that created heaven, time prophecies...
24:42 given time prophecies coming to an end... "
24:43 you see all the connection here,
24:45 "the certain man that's glorified,
24:46 the angel that's glorified...
24:48 the little book that's sealed... the little book that's open...
24:49 standing on the rivers and the waters...
24:51 standing on the sea and on the earth"
24:52 see all the connections? Yvonne: Yeah.
24:54 James: Okay, now, Daniel's book is open
24:57 "whew, look at all the stuff in there, I got to write this... "
24:59 "Wait, wait, wait, don't write it,
25:01 it's already written... don't waste your time there,
25:03 go and get the book that's written already
25:05 and take it and start eating it"
25:06 and this is what we see taking place in history,
25:09 so we go back to history, we go back to the history of
25:12 the Ottoman Empire... unbelievable what happens here
25:15 as the Ottoman Empire is falling...
25:18 and when I say "falling" I'm not saying "coming to an end... "
25:21 I'm saying... Ivor: Wounded...
25:24 James: Or yeah, seceding to the Christian nations...
25:27 to England and Prussia and Russia and Austria...
25:30 as it's seceding to these nations,
25:32 a Movement is coming up that's noting that
25:35 and actually making the very predictions
25:37 that had not yet been fulfilled, Josiah Litch...
25:40 the Millerite Movement...
25:41 these guys are taking the book of Daniel and they're eating it
25:46 and they're just excited about the prophecies
25:48 that Daniel didn't fully understand...
25:50 the 2,300 days... they're excited about these prophecies
25:52 and they're studying these prophecies
25:54 and it's leading them to a conclusion
25:56 that there are some significant things that are going to happen
25:59 at the end of the 2,300 days
26:01 and the end of the 391 days... years and 15 days...
26:05 and they start making predictions
26:06 and one of the predictions they make
26:08 is the Ottoman Empire is going to fall...
26:09 another prediction that they make... or secede...
26:11 another prediction they make is that the...
26:13 the Lord Jesus Christ is going to return to the earth
26:17 and cleanse the earth with fire in 1843 and then 1844
26:20 and they set a couple of dates
26:22 before they finally get the final one. Yvonne: Hmmm...
26:24 James: And this is what we see taking place
26:26 as Ivor said earlier,
26:28 these guys go through this amazing experience
26:31 of the Millerite Movement
26:32 and then they go through this tremendous disappointment
26:34 and when they're disappointed... what happens?
26:37 Well, the cornfield... we're going to get to that...
26:39 but one of the things that happens is
26:41 they go back to these prophetic verses
26:43 and they realize, "Wait a minute...
26:45 this has been prophesied...
26:47 God actually wrote about our experience... "
26:50 I mean, it's kind of like the disciples...
26:52 if you think about it... they denied the Lord...
26:55 but then they go back and they say,
26:56 "Wait a minute, this has been prophesied...
26:58 God actually predicted we were going to do this. "
27:00 Ivor: And what's interesting here is...
27:03 verse 11... it says... "He said unto me,
27:06 Thou must prophesy again... " Yvonne: Hmmm...
27:08 Ivor: Yeah, all right... we went through
27:14 this... and I guess we'll cover it in our next Program
27:19 but we go through this great disappointment
27:21 it's so great that "I guess, we may as well just hang it up"
27:24 but He says, "No, you're going to have a bitter experience
27:27 and I want you to know the bitter experience was prophesied
27:30 the bitter experience was prophesied
27:33 because I told the angels,
27:35 'don't write' so you were missing some information
27:39 that was on purpose because I had to do something... "
27:42 and we'll find out what that is in our next program
27:46 so another cliffhanger... Yvonne: Oh...
27:47 Ivor: "The information is there, but you were missing it. "
27:50 James: Yeah... yeah...
27:51 Ivor: "And don't worry, your disappointment...
27:53 even that was prophesied...
27:55 you must prophesy again, keep moving forward. "
27:58 James: Amen. Yvonne: All right... amen.