Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000053A
00:29 Okay, we're in Revelation 13,
00:31 this is a huge chapter
00:34 because unlike a lot of the previous prophecies,
00:37 this one is building to our present time,
00:39 actually, to our present time and beyond.
00:42 We are going to be looking at material right now,
00:44 we're going to be looking at prophecy right now
00:46 that takes us back to the book of Daniel...
00:48 lays a foundation
00:50 for the history that we've already covered
00:51 but catapults us into the future...
00:54 into the direction that we're going right now.
00:57 Actually, if our listeners are really careful
01:01 and follow us step by step,
01:03 we're going to be predicting the future of this world,
01:06 not just this country but this entire world,
01:08 and it's not us who's doing that, of course,
01:11 it's the Word of God that's doing that
01:12 but we're going to be looking at the prophecies
01:14 that predict the future of this country and of this world
01:16 in Revelation chapter 13.
01:18 It's a really important chapter, in fact, I have this page...
01:21 it's removable in my Bible...
01:23 my Bible is old enough to where it came out,
01:25 I think I used it so much so that it came out
01:27 but it's kind of handy when I teach class on Revelation 13,
01:30 I can just take this one page and so it's really nice, so...
01:33 but we're going to start, of course, with a word of prayer
01:35 and then we want to get into a question
01:37 we're trying to answer one question per program
01:38 and we have a question that we want to look at
01:40 that Ivor has, so he can read that for us
01:42 so, Yvonne, would you want to start us
01:43 with a word of prayer so we can do our question?
01:45 Sure, "Father God, what a privilege it is
01:47 to open your Word
01:49 and to know that your Spirit will guide us into all truth,
01:52 we thank you Lord
01:53 and I just pray right now for your Spirit,
01:56 we pray that you will continue to guide and lead us
02:00 and help us all to understand where we're going
02:03 and that you didn't leave us without a guide
02:06 you've given us a guide and we thank you so much
02:10 so we pray for your Spirit, in Jesus' name, amen. "
02:13 "Amen. "
02:14 All right, so, the question is actually based upon
02:20 Joel 2 verse 13... and...
02:23 I'm going to summarize it here,
02:26 kind of juice the question down but basically he's asking,
02:29 "Does God hear our prayers when we ask for forgiveness
02:33 or does He... does He bypass our prayers
02:38 because He sees... He thinks that we're not being sincere"
02:41 in other words, if someone's struggling with,
02:43 "How can I know if God really forgives me or not?"
02:46 And for some reason, there's... we read in Joel 2:13
02:50 it's kind of confusing as to whether God forgives
02:53 or is willing to forgive if we have...
02:56 I think... continue to fall into sin...
02:59 or haven't been able to overcome something...
03:02 does God just say,
03:04 "Okay, forget it, you know, I've had enough?"
03:05 So, Joel 2:13...
03:08 Let's read Joel 2:13, you want to read that for us Jason?
03:12 Jason: Sure, 2:13... or to 14? Ivor: Joel 2 and verse 13.
03:15 Jason: Okay, "And rend your heart,
03:18 and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God:
03:21 for he is gracious and merciful slow to anger,
03:24 and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. "
03:27 James: That is a really beautiful verse,
03:30 it's a powerful verse, the context of this was...
03:33 a nation who were God's people,
03:35 who were continuing with the forms of religion...
03:38 the outward forms... professing to be God's people
03:41 going to the temple... worshipping God
03:43 but their hearts were far from Him
03:45 and the message Joel was delivering was,
03:48 "You need to rend your hearts and not just your garments...
03:50 not just the outward... it needs to be an inner experience. "
03:52 Why? Well, because God is gracious
03:55 and God is merciful and God is slow to anger
03:59 and God is of great kindness and He doesn't even...
04:02 He wants to turn away repentant...
04:03 that means to turn away from Him...
04:05 He wants to turn away even from the evil
04:06 that is the natural consequence of the things that you're doing,
04:10 the things that God sometimes has to allow the judgments...
04:13 He sometimes has to allow, He wants to turn away from those
04:15 and you see this, for example, in the story of Nineveh...
04:18 where God says, "40 days... the city is going down"
04:20 and then what happens?
04:22 Well, it was a wicked city,
04:23 it was so bad, Jonah did even want to go there
04:25 and yet the whole city repented, just like the verse says,
04:30 and when they repented, what did God do?
04:31 Ivor: Forgave them.
04:33 James: He did... He forgave them
04:34 and He turned away from the evil
04:35 that He told Jonah to tell them was coming
04:38 and it was so amazing... so gracious and merciful of God
04:43 that Jonah got upset about it, he was so upset
04:46 so there are times...
04:48 for this person who is writing this question about
04:52 "is my forgiveness real... has God really forgiven me?
04:55 I feel like, maybe He hasn't... "
04:56 there are times in our experience of darkness,
05:01 there are times of struggle
05:03 and there are times when we're just...
05:05 we can be overwhelmed with ourselves
05:07 and with our falleness and our weakness,
05:10 but God is always there to forgive us,
05:13 He is more inclined to forgive us
05:17 than we are to forgive ourselves
05:18 and so we look at this verse and we look at the story of Jonah
05:22 and we just go, "Yes, God is... "
05:24 even if it angers self-righteous...
05:27 sometimes you can't listen to self-righteous preachers
05:29 like Jonah... because they're upset about how God forgives
05:32 and how gracious He is at times.
05:33 Ivor: Yep.
05:35 Yvonne: We can't rely on how we feel.
05:36 Jason: I was going to say that.
05:38 Yvonne: It's what the Word said
05:39 because if we go by how we feel Satan is going to...
05:43 oh! he's the accuser of the brethren...
05:44 so he is going to keep trying to make us feel
05:47 as though we just can't get it right,
05:50 well, on our own we can't but praise the Lord,
05:53 we're all sinners and in need of a Savior...
05:55 that's why we have a Savior, so, when the devil starts
05:58 trying to make you feel not forgiven,
06:00 just... 1st John 1:9 says, "He is faithful and just...
06:06 if we confess our sins,
06:07 He's faithful and just to forgive us our sins
06:09 and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
06:11 and we just trust that He's cleansing...
06:13 it's a process... so...
06:15 James: Amen... amen...
06:17 Praise God, okay, let's get into our verses here,
06:19 we're back in Revelation... Jason is going to say that too,
06:23 so Revelation 13... and let's just begin reading here,
06:26 I think we should read probably the first what...
06:29 one, two, three, four...
06:33 maybe we should read all the way through verse ten...
06:36 the first half... should we read the first half of the book?
06:39 Hmmm... hmmm... Yeah.
06:41 Okay, Jason lead us off here,
06:43 can you read the first four verses and then
06:45 Yvonne, can you read the next few...
06:47 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea,
06:50 and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
06:53 having seven heads and ten horns,
06:55 and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads
06:58 the name of blasphemy.
06:59 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
07:03 and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
07:05 and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
07:07 and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat,
07:10 and great authority.
07:12 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death:
07:15 and his deadly wound was healed:
07:18 and all the world wondered after the beast.
07:20 And they worshipped the dragon
07:22 which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast,
07:26 saying, Who is like unto the beast?
07:28 who is able to make war with him?"
07:31 "He was given a mount speaking great things and blasphemies;
07:36 and he was given authority to continue for 42 months.
07:39 They opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
07:43 to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle,
07:45 and those who dwell in heaven.
07:46 It was granted to him to make war with the saints,
07:49 and to overcome them: and authority was given him
07:52 over every tribe, tongue and nation
07:55 all who dwell on the earth will worship him.
07:58 whose names have not been written in the book of life
08:01 of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
08:04 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
08:07 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity:
08:12 he who kills with a sword must be killed with the sword.
08:18 Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. "
08:21 Okay, before we go back
08:23 and just look at these verses point by point,
08:25 one thing just... is magnified here...
08:28 I think we really need to emphasis it
08:30 and that is... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
08:34 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
08:36 is centered in Revelation 13
08:39 and a lot of times we get... we get stuck
08:42 buried even... by all of the symbolism and prophecy
08:47 and all of the negative and we forget,
08:50 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
08:51 so I think it's so powerful that God puts,
08:54 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
08:56 right here in the middle
08:57 of one of the most significant prophecies of the Bible
09:00 in the book of Revelation
09:01 reminding us where our source of strength is,
09:05 reminding us where we need to go to,
09:07 reminding us that the cross is still here
09:09 because the Lamb represents Christ crucified...
09:11 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world,
09:13 it's Calvary...
09:14 and a lot of times when we read Revelation,
09:16 especially Revelation 13,
09:17 we're talking here about the Mark of the Beast
09:19 and this other power that comes out
09:20 and makes an image to the beast
09:22 and no one can buy or sell, and we're going to get killed...
09:24 we forget about the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
09:28 and God does not want us to forget
09:29 about the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
09:31 so that's key.
09:33 Okay, going back... I just want to give a shout-out to
09:36 Brendan Valiant in South Tweed, Australia,
09:40 he goes to the Kingscliff Church
09:42 which is where David Asscherick pastors...
09:46 who is part of Light Bearers, works with us a little bit,
09:48 and Brendan and his wife have developed these...
09:52 he calls them "Historicals" he's developed these models
09:55 for Daniel and Revelation and they're amazing, really,
09:59 these are 3-D presentations,
10:00 he actually wanted me to use these in a classroom setting...
10:04 at ARISE... I teach Revelation and Daniel
10:06 and I said, "I'll do better than that...
10:08 we're doing a program on Daniel and Revelation right now
10:11 and we're in Revelation 12, send them over to me"
10:14 and so he shipped them over
10:15 and unfortunately, on the way over here...
10:18 one of these... broke this guy broke right off.
10:21 Ivor: One of the heads was wounded.
10:23 James: One of the heads was wounded!
10:25 and I thought,
10:26 "Brendan, we got to pass this on to you buddy...
10:29 you need to have a removable head on this...
10:31 on this model because... because this works perfectly"
10:35 now, the 3ABN Crew here
10:36 put some sticky tape on the bottom of this
10:38 so we could put the head back on
10:40 because the deadly wound is going to be healed
10:41 so you have an amazing illustration here,
10:44 you've got this beast that has the seven heads and ten horns
10:49 with crowns on the horns, it's got feet like a bear
10:51 it's got a body like a leopard, it's got mouth like a lion
10:56 and the dragon gives him his seat and his power
10:58 and great authority...
10:59 Yvonne: Wow! James: And what you have here...
11:02 you have a direct reference to the book of Daniel
11:04 and the historical sequence of the kingdoms
11:07 of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome
11:09 so, Babylon is the mouth of the lion,
11:12 Medo-Persia is the feet of the bear,
11:14 Greece is the body of the leopard...
11:16 then you have the dragon representing pagan Rome
11:18 all of these are coming over to the book of Revelation,
11:21 and in the book of Revelation, it continues further...
11:24 the prophecy works out even further,
11:27 you've got the ten horns which are the ten kingdoms of Europe
11:29 with their crowns representing...
11:31 they were monarchies...
11:33 we're going to see a beast rise up out of the earth,
11:35 coming up... it has no crown...
11:36 which represents more of a Republic or Democracy
11:39 and then you've got the head that was wounded...
11:42 and the wound is going to be healed.
11:43 So this is illustrating what we've just read.
11:45 This model right here illustrates
11:48 everything we've just read
11:49 and what we want to do now is... we want to dive in...
11:51 we want to understand, "now what does this mean
11:53 in relation to prophecy today,
11:56 how is this connected to what's taking place today?"
11:59 Well, obviously, first of all,
12:01 Daniel is reaching back to the book of Revelation,
12:03 I mean, Revelation is reaching back to the book of Daniel,
12:05 John is reaching back to Daniel and he's picking up
12:08 the history of Daniel going backwards,
12:10 looking backwards, in other words...
12:12 when Daniel goes forward, he goes,
12:14 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Ten Horns,
12:16 when John looks backward, he goes,
12:19 Ten Horns... and then he goes...
12:21 Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia and Babylon
12:27 because he's looking backwards.
12:28 So, we're coming up to our present time and what...
12:31 basically what John is doing is,
12:33 he's picking up where Daniel left off
12:34 and he's going to take us further
12:36 so Daniel 11 left off with these four kingdoms
12:39 but ah... there's a little bit of question mark there,
12:42 what takes place next?
12:43 Well, Revelation 13 is going to tell...
12:44 Revelation 13 is kind of like a Daniel 13 if you will...
12:47 Daniel has 12 chapters...
12:48 Revelation 13 is kind of like a Daniel 13,
12:51 taking us one step further into the future.
12:53 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
12:54 Ivor: Like you said Revelation 13:1 and 2
12:55 is Daniel 2, Daniel 7, juiced down into two verses
13:03 right, we just have all the beasts there...
13:06 they're composite beasts,
13:08 they're all put together as one
13:09 but they're representing what we learn in the book of Daniel
13:12 and in the book of Daniel chapter 7 and Daniel chapter 2
13:16 which we have not gone over yet in detail
13:19 but we will... in the future.
13:21 So, you have this beast
13:24 that is a reflection of Daniel chapter 2 verse...
13:28 I'm sorry, Daniel chapter 7, I should say,
13:31 even though Daniel chapter 2 parallels those same beasts
13:35 and then, in verse 3, it says,
13:40 "I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death"
13:43 the question is, "What this that wound?"
13:47 Right, what is that wound?
13:48 I believe down in verse, Revelation 13,
13:52 verse 10,
13:58 the Bible says, "He that leadeth into captivity:
14:00 shall go into captivity:
14:02 he that killeth with the sword must be killed with a sword. "
14:06 This is a reference back to this very persecuting power
14:11 that dominated for 1,260 years, it persecuted the saints
14:17 it sought to change God's times and laws,
14:23 and what we find is that...
14:26 at the end of this 1,260-year period
14:28 this power is incapacitated, right, receives the deadly wound
14:33 and this is in 1,798 so that 1,260-year period
14:39 that we have been talking about in previous studies,
14:43 began in 538...
14:46 that's when the Papacy began to dominate really...
14:50 all of Europe,
14:52 they were a political and religious power
14:54 so that's important to remember
14:57 their authority came from the fact
15:01 that Church and State had been united
15:05 in order to persecute
15:06 okay, in 1798... that Church-State Entity,
15:13 was separated, in other words...
15:15 the very thing that gave it power to persecute,
15:18 was taken away from it in 1798...
15:21 this is the deadly wound that's being described.
15:25 So... then the Bible goes on to say,
15:29 "After this deadly wound" Revelation 12 verse...
15:34 James: And by-the-way Ivor,
15:35 I like what you brought out there
15:37 when you connected verse 10 to verse 3
15:38 because in verse 10,
15:40 the deadly wound is described historically in detail,
15:43 "He that leads into captivity must go into captivity... "
15:46 for the 1,260-year period,
15:48 the Papacy had led God's faithful people into captivity,
15:51 when the Papacy received the deadly wound in 1798,
15:55 Berthier who was Napoleon's General
15:58 marched in to Paris and took the Pope captive...
16:03 he went into captivity...
16:05 "He that kills with a sword must be killed with a sword"
16:08 so it was the military power of Napoleon and Berthier
16:11 that took the Pope captive... put him in prison where he died.
16:14 So it's kind of a
16:15 reaping-and-sowing type of principle
16:17 that God is bringing out... but it fits the history perfectly,
16:20 so it's not just the verse 3, the deadly wound...
16:22 but it's also the details of the deadly wound...
16:24 he led into captivity... he goes into captivity...
16:26 he kills with a sword... he must be killed with a sword.
16:27 Yvonne: Wow!
16:29 Ivor: So what we have happening now,
16:30 the Bible says in Revelation 13 verse...
16:33 latter part of verse 3, so after it says,
16:35 "I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death"
16:39 and then it says, "and his deadly wound was healed"
16:44 okay, so let's pause right there...
16:45 we're probably going to spend some time on this because
16:47 if before he was wounded, right,
16:51 what was... what was he doing?
16:54 he was persecuting the people of God
16:57 right, when he's wounded...
16:59 persecution stops...
17:01 so the healing of the wound
17:03 would indicate the starting up of... persecution.
17:06 James: By the Civil Power.
17:07 Ivor: In other words,
17:09 Church and State come back together again
17:12 to persecute.
17:14 This is when the deadly wound is healed.
17:17 Now when you get a wound, it takes some time...
17:20 James: Especially if it was deadly.
17:21 Ivor: Especially if it was deadly,
17:23 so there's a process of healing
17:25 but there comes a point where it is totally healed
17:27 and so this is key because
17:30 we look back in the history and we look at,
17:33 you know, what the Papacy is...
17:36 you know... they are what they were in the Dark Ages
17:38 right, they are again a Church-State Entity
17:42 but they don't have the power
17:44 that they had back in the Dark Ages
17:45 right, that hasn't returned yet
17:47 when this happens, whatever event this is...
17:50 when it happens... look again in verse...
17:53 verse 3... look at the last part of that verse.
17:56 "His deadly wound was healed"
17:58 and what?
17:59 "All the world wondered after the beast. "
18:03 When this wound is fully healed,
18:07 the whole world wonders after the beast.
18:11 Yvonne: Hmmm...
18:13 Ivor: In other words, this is something that...
18:14 causes everyone to fall in line okay,
18:18 so we're looking for something
18:20 that's going to bring about persecution...
18:22 it's going to be something that causes the whole world
18:25 to wonder... to worship the beast.
18:28 So, I want to talk about this time
18:31 because it's actually a time that the whole world wonders
18:35 I want you to think about that,
18:36 think about... when we say, "the whole world... "
18:38 just think about different groups of people
18:41 that you... you know... we have Muslims...
18:43 Hindus... Atheists... yeah, all kinds of people in the world...
18:49 James: Secular... Ivor: Yeah, Secular right?
18:52 so, in order for the whole world to fall in line
18:55 to get on one page... I'd like to say it this way,
18:59 "It would have to take a miracle... "
19:01 Yvonne: It would. Ivor: A miracle...
19:03 so look in my eyes as they get wide... a miracle...
19:06 James: Many miracles...
19:08 Ivor: Or many miracles for this to happen, right?
19:10 So now that we're going to see that this healing of the wound,
19:13 it's been... the wound has been in the process of healing
19:18 but something happens that brings it to...
19:20 James: It's final... Ivor: Where the whole...
19:22 so what we need to see is...
19:24 "Okay, has Jesus given us anything in the Scripture
19:26 that shows us a time when the whole world will wonder... "
19:31 all right, so let's do this, we're going to go back
19:34 to the book of... we're going to go to the book of
19:36 James: Matthew 24... Ivor: Matthew chapter...
19:39 you know what? Before we... we'll go into 24,
19:41 hold that there for a moment, let's go back in Revelation...
19:45 and I want you to notice something
19:46 in Revelation chapter 13
19:48 and I want you to notice verse 15... or rather, verse...
19:52 James: Revelation 13:15?
19:54 Ivor: Revelation 13 verse...
19:55 James: Because we haven't gone to Revelation 13:15.
19:57 Ivor: Right, Revelation 13 verse 12...
20:02 or verse 13... verse 13...
20:06 so, here in verse 13 it says, "And he doeth great wonders,
20:10 so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
20:14 on the earth in the sight of men.
20:16 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth... "
20:19 just pause right here for a second...
20:20 what happens to those on the earth
20:22 as a result of this fire falling from heaven?
20:26 They are deceived by the miracles...
20:28 right, so I want you to take Revelation 13 verse 3
20:31 "the whole world wondered... "
20:33 Revelation 13:12... the whole world is deceived.
20:37 Ah, this might be talking about
20:39 something that is in the same time period
20:42 or same event that's leading to the whole world going...
20:44 that's leading to Muslims and Atheists
20:48 and everyone just...
20:49 so what would this event be?
20:51 Fire falling from the sky... deadly wound healed...
20:54 persecution beginning...
20:55 by-the-way... it's this verse in verse 14,
20:57 that... the Bible says that the whole earth...
21:00 in fact... the latter part of that verse
21:03 "he deceived them that dwell on the earth
21:05 by the means of those miracles
21:07 which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
21:08 saying to them that dwell on the earth,
21:10 that they should make an image to the beast,
21:13 which had the wound by a sword, and did live. "
21:16 Now, an image to the beast... how many of you remember
21:20 anything in the Bible about an image being set up
21:23 that people had to bow down to?
21:25 Remember the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?
21:29 Whoever would not bow down would be... what?
21:33 Remember, the healing of the wound
21:36 is the setting up of Church and State
21:38 for the purpose of persecuting the people of God
21:42 okay, so, let's go now to the book of Matthew 24.
21:45 I'm going to see, "Does Jesus give us anything
21:48 in Matthew 24 that would let us know... oh...
21:51 this is the time that the whole world... "
21:53 James: And by-the-way, just for our Viewers' sake,
21:56 Matthew 24 is a prophetic chapter
21:58 so Matthew 24 would parallel
22:01 Revelation and Daniel's prophetic books
22:04 because here's where Jesus in His gospel
22:06 gives a prophetic account of history
22:09 some of which, for us, is past
22:10 and some of which is still future...
22:12 Ivor: So Matthew 24 and beginning with verse 4,
22:15 the disciples ask Him... ask Jesus saying,
22:18 "When will be the signs of your coming?"
22:21 So notice what he's asking,
22:23 "When will be the sign of your coming?"
22:25 Right? Then Jesus said,
22:27 "Take heed that no man... " what?
22:28 "Deceives you... "
22:30 so the first thing He starts off with is,
22:31 "Hey, regarding my second coming don't let anyone deceive you. "
22:35 Okay, then He goes on to say, "Many shall come in my name,
22:38 saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
22:41 And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
22:44 see that you be not troubled:
22:46 for all these things must come to pass,
22:47 but the end is not yet. "
22:49 So, He's saying, "Hey, there are certain things
22:50 that are going to happen, don't worry about it,
22:52 don't worry about it... I mean, yeah,
22:54 they're going to be troubling but don't be worried about it. "
22:55 Read on... verse 7... or rather... verse 8...
23:01 "All these are the beginning of sorrows.
23:02 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
23:06 and shall kill you:
23:07 and you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
23:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
23:14 and shall hate one another.
23:15 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
23:17 And because iniquity shall abound,
23:19 the love of many shall wax cold.
23:21 But he that endureth unto the end,
23:23 the same shall be saved.
23:24 And this gospel of the kingdom
23:26 shall be preached in all the world
23:27 for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. "
23:30 And now notice verse 15, now He says this,
23:32 "When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
23:38 spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
23:40 stand in the holy place,
23:42 whoso readeth, let him understand:
23:44 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
23:47 Let him which is on the housetop not come down
23:50 to take anything out of his house:
23:52 Neither let him which is in the field
23:55 return back to take his clothes.
23:56 And woe unto them that are with child... "
23:58 and He goes on... notice verse 21...
24:00 "For then shall be great... " what?
24:02 Yvonne: Tribulation...
24:03 Ivor: Okay, what is tribulation?
24:05 What would that mean?
24:06 Yvonne: Persecution... Ivor: Persecution...
24:08 so He says, "When you see the abomination... " of what?
24:10 Desolation... set up...
24:13 that's when you know
24:16 persecution is coming... so could it be that the
24:18 "abomination of desolation" being set up...
24:20 would parallel the
24:23 healing of the deadly wound in Revelation 13
24:26 which would parallel the miracle...
24:29 miracles of Revelation 13?
24:32 Well, look at what He says right after this.
24:35 He says, "Then... " oh, by-the-way, verse 22,
24:39 verse 21... "For then shall be such great tribulation,
24:41 such as was not since the beginning of the world
24:44 to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:46 And except those days should be... " what?
24:49 "shortened... "
24:50 now what would you call time that's shortened?
24:53 James: Short time... Ivor: A short time...
24:55 remember in Revelation 12:7... 12:11...
24:59 where it says that the dragon came down unto the earth
25:02 and he knew that he had a short time...
25:05 James: Verse 12...
25:07 Ivor: Wait a minute... so the dragon at some point
25:09 comes down to the earth knowing he has a short time...
25:11 whatever this short time is...
25:13 that's the time that the whole world
25:16 is going to be deceived... they're going to wonder... why?
25:20 look at the very next verse, Matthew 24 verse 22,
25:24 verse 22, "Except those days should be shortened,
25:27 there should no flesh be saved... "
25:29 that's how serious this time is
25:31 "but for the elect's sake it shall be shortened.
25:33 Then if any man shall say unto you,
25:35 Lo, here is... " who?
25:37 "Christ, or there; believe it not.
25:39 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
25:42 and shall shew great signs and wonders;
25:44 insomuch that, if it were possible,
25:46 they shall deceive the very elect. "
25:48 And then He says,
25:49 "Hey, listen, if they say unto you...
25:52 I'm in the secret chamber... don't go for it,
25:55 if they say, I'm in the desert, don't go for it... "
25:58 why? "because as lightning
25:59 shines from the east even unto the west,
26:02 so shall the coming of the Son of man be. "
26:05 This counterfeit that He's warning against...
26:08 is a "counterfeit coming" of the Son of man.
26:12 It is the dragon being cast out...
26:14 now, what did He say?
26:15 "As lightning shines out of the east even unto the west... "
26:19 in Revelation 13 where it talks about fire falling from the sky,
26:24 guess what the word here that is used for fire?
26:26 It is the Greek word... "Por" Por I believe, there's a Por
26:30 that is the word used for lightning
26:32 Satan's miracle... this miracle in Revelation 13
26:36 will have something to do with fire...
26:37 what do you think of fire falling from the sky?
26:39 James: Lightning... Ivor: Lightning...
26:41 so this has something to do then
26:43 with Satan himself coming and giving power to the beast
26:47 and the false prophet
26:48 and this miracle...
26:50 and we're going to talk about this more...
26:52 because there are other miracles involved with this...
26:55 but it's these miracles that bring about that persecution
26:58 that's going to come at the end of time.
26:59 James: So, basically, what you're saying Ivor is,
27:03 Matthew 24 is giving us a basic outline of deception
27:06 false Christ... false Christ... false Christ...
27:08 leading up to the abomination of desolation...
27:10 the culmination of this major religious persecution,
27:15 and it is supplemented by
27:17 Satan trying to personate
27:19 and duplicate the second coming of Jesus.
27:22 When Jesus comes,
27:23 it's going to be lightning bright... from east to west...
27:26 Satan is going to try to counterfeit that...
27:27 his is going to be connected with some "secret chambers"
27:31 and places where people go
27:33 so he's going to show up in different places,
27:35 whereas when Christ comes, it's like... everyone sees it...
27:38 it's worldwide... every eye shall see Him...
27:40 but it is a counterfeit...
27:42 Ivor: And this is what makes them wonder...
27:43 James: Yes, and this is the lightning connection
27:45 that we have... to the fire from heaven in Revelation 13.
27:47 Ivor: That's right.
27:48 James: Good stuff... all right we are, amazingly, out of time
27:52 it goes so fast but we're not done with this,
27:55 we're going to come right back to this,
27:56 we're going to study it more because there's a lot here
27:58 that we need to do here.
27:59 Yvonne: It's good stuff... James: Yeah... simulate.