Participants: Aaron Chancy (Host), Greg Hines
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000054
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:02 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:04 may be too candid for younger children. 00:10 Welcome to the New Journey, 00:11 a program where you meet real life people 00:13 with real life testimonies 00:15 doing real life ministry for Jesus Christ. 00:18 I'm your host Aaron Chancy. 00:19 Come join us on The New Journey. 01:10 Let's jump into the religious background 01:12 of your household. 01:13 What kind of religious background 01:15 are you coming from? 01:16 Well, I came, grew up Seventh-day Adventist. 01:18 Okay. Both parents in the church. 01:20 Okay. 01:22 Been in the church pretty much my whole life 01:24 and I've also been a part of, 01:29 you know, the different things pathfinder. 01:32 You know, the basketball 01:33 youth programs and things of that nature. 01:35 Okay, so talk a little bit about your early home life. 01:38 You mentioned that you had 01:39 a mother and a father growing up 01:41 which is pretty similar to mine, 01:42 I grew up in a household, grew to going to pathfinders, 01:46 playing basketball with both parents in the home. 01:48 And it's interesting 01:50 because things that I got involved in later on 01:52 aren't typical to, you know, the background that I come from 01:56 and which is sort of similar to yours, 01:58 which we'll get into in little bit 01:59 but talk about what it was like in your home growing up? 02:03 Well, in my home, it was typical home. 02:06 One thing that my father was in the military. 02:09 So, the discipline side of-- 02:13 I guess my upbringing 02:14 was probably a little bit more firm than some, 02:17 because at times my father I think will forget 02:20 that I'm not a soldier and I'm his son you know, so. 02:24 That aspect of it was a little difficult growing up. 02:28 Okay. 02:30 And me and my father, 02:32 we didn't have a lot of things in common, 02:35 so we didn't really do a lot of bonding. 02:39 I was more close to my mother. 02:42 And so, a lot of things that you might do with your father, 02:44 me and my mother did. 02:46 So growing up, it was kind of a difficult task 02:51 trying to get male attention or whatever have you 02:54 because of that dynamics in my family. 02:56 Okay, I understand. 02:58 Now, growing up in your home, did you have any siblings 03:00 or was it just you yourself? 03:01 Yes, I have older sister. 03:03 Okay, so how was it, 03:04 how was yours relationship growing up? 03:06 Well, growing up me and my sister, 03:09 we kind of like night and day. 03:10 You know, my sister is more... 03:12 She's a lot more like my father, 03:13 I'm a lot more like my mother. 03:15 But pretty normal, you know, pretty normal situation. 03:20 Now, your father eventually passed away 03:23 when you were teenager. 03:25 Talk about that, talk about his passing, 03:28 and how that made you feel at a young age? 03:31 Well, my father died in 1999. 03:34 And I had just turned 19 years old. 03:36 Okay. 03:38 That situation, it bring about a lot of mix of feelings. 03:43 It was sadness. It was anger. 03:47 It was disappointment. 03:50 So, you know, let me talk about the anger part of, 03:53 I guess that more, the anger part of it for me 03:55 was that I felt like I was cheated. 03:59 But for me to say that, the way me and my father-- 04:04 First of all me and my father were like oil and vinegar. 04:06 You know, we didn't get along at all so. 04:09 You know, we bump heads all the time and my mother was 04:13 and so she were kind of like the referee for us. 04:15 And so, you know, the anger part came in 04:18 because I felt like I never got a chance 04:21 to really bridge that gap amongst us. 04:25 Now was it more anger between you and God 04:29 or was it anger between you and your father 04:31 or what was, what was the anger between? 04:33 I would have to say it was a combination you know. 04:36 Because like I said before, 04:37 you know, my father was real firm and real strict. 04:41 And so, I think my frustration toward him 04:44 was because he had such a tight claw on me. 04:47 And I guess the-- You know, he had a tip or two so. 04:52 You know, sometimes his disciplinary tactics 04:55 were probably not the best. 04:56 Yeah, okay. 04:58 So, you know, I guess when it comes for me, 05:00 you ask me with my anger with God, I guess, I could say. 05:03 Yeah, I did have, you know, 'cause I used to feel like, 05:06 you know, this is a grown man. 05:09 And, you know, your parents teach you to control yourself 05:11 this and that but, you know, and that time he did not. 05:15 Controlled himself, you know, with different things. 05:17 Yeah, definitely. 05:18 Yeah, but if I look at far as with my father, 05:23 we never got to a point 05:26 of seeing eye to eye anything 05:30 and the day my father died, 05:35 I was working in Charlotte, North Carolina. 05:38 And I got a call from my mother 05:40 and she said, my father was sick, 05:42 was in the hospital. 05:43 Now, my dad had been sick for about seven years, 05:45 he had some called sarcoidosis. 05:47 So, it was kind of a norm 05:49 to see him in and out of the hospital. 05:51 But for some instant, 05:52 you know, with that situation, something weighed on me 05:55 and just say, I needed to come home. 05:57 So I came home, I talked to my father. 05:59 He was at the hospital he told me, he said, 06:01 "Come to his, to the hospital 06:03 around 9 o'clock the following morning." 06:05 That morning, that night, 06:07 I got, I was drinking, smoking and so I overslept. 06:11 So when I finally called my father, my father, 06:15 we exchanged where he told I need to get my life together, 06:17 this and that. 06:18 So we had, you know, 06:20 the last thing I said to my father 06:21 was some un-chose words. 06:23 And I never got to apologize that, 06:25 so far as the guilt 06:27 I live with that for a real long time. 06:29 Yeah, okay, okay. 06:31 Now, you eventually gravitated to the streets. 06:35 What do you think was some of the motivating factors 06:38 in gravitating to that type of lifestyle? 06:41 Well, for me, I think it was. 06:43 You know, guilt is a real powerful thing, you know. 06:46 And it becomes a wicked cycle in your life. 06:50 And I think also too that, 06:53 just looking for male companionship. 06:56 You know, at that point in time in my life. 06:59 And, even though it wasn't always positive, 07:01 it still was something. 07:03 And for me even coming up in a two parent household, 07:07 I never really gained that male companionship 07:11 that I guess, you know, 07:12 any young man would be longing for. 07:15 Yeah, definitely, definitely. 07:16 You know, I find it interesting because a lot of times. 07:19 You know, and that type of lifestyle 07:20 that you and I gravitated to the streets. 07:22 You know, you find a lot of people 07:24 that are coming from single parent homes. 07:26 And, you know, it seems like it's right for them to be there 07:30 but then, for you it seems like, 07:31 "Okay, where you have both parents in the home 07:33 and you know you shouldn't be here 07:35 and type of thing. 07:36 But the reality is that 07:38 certain things are still lacking 07:39 even with that two parent home. 07:42 And a lot of times 07:43 you may not get that male attention 07:44 like you said that you needed. 07:46 And that's what I found that a lot of people would say, 07:48 is that they didn't get the attention that they need. 07:50 And, you know, they find it in friends. 07:52 They find it in different things, 07:53 which tend to lead them in a downward cycle. 07:57 Looking back on your life, 07:58 what do you think were some of the positive 08:00 as well as some of the negative influences upon your life? 08:03 Well, over top of my head 08:05 I would say a negative influence was 08:08 when I was coming up when we lived in Germany. 08:12 It was a family 08:13 that because me and my father didn't get along well. 08:16 I would always find myself trying to stay there 08:19 and I guess trying to keep, 08:21 you know, want peace in the house my mother, 08:23 and they would allow me to go over to them. 08:25 Now, this family was not of Christian background, 08:27 so I learned a lot of bad habits, you know, 08:29 drinking and smoking at early age like at 13. 08:33 So with that, 08:36 it kind of just open up a can of a lot of other things 08:39 throughout my life that I ended up getting into. 08:42 Do you think that the drinking and smoking, 08:44 because often times, people get involved in it, 08:46 it's almost like a cover up, 08:48 to cover up the different pains and hurts 08:50 that you're dealing with. 08:52 How do you feel that that played a part 08:53 in your situation? 08:55 Well, I mean, I do that wholeheartedly 08:56 because I believe that that was my... 09:00 That was my medicine. Yeah. 09:01 You know, that is the way I could escape. 09:04 You know, what was going on and a funny thing about it is. 09:08 We all know that it's all only a temporary fix. 09:11 But when you're going through hailing, 09:13 going through things, constant things every day. 09:17 Just that one second or that small timeframe 09:21 of relief, it does you well. 09:23 Oh, yeah definitely, definitely, 09:24 I can definitely relate, 09:26 you know, the various drugs that I've done 09:28 and the interesting thing is it only lasts momentarily. 09:32 It's not like that lasting joy. 09:33 It's, you know, you get what you need your cigarettes, 09:37 your alcohol, your marijuana whatever it may be cocaine, 09:40 whatever the drug of choice is. 09:42 And you're fine, while you're high. 09:44 But then when that high wears off, 09:45 you're right back to the same, to the same spot. 09:47 And that problem is still there, 09:49 so it's like you're continuously self medicating 09:52 because the problem hasn't gone anywhere. 09:53 You're just masking it 09:55 instead actually dealing with the issue. 09:56 Yeah. 09:57 Let me ask you, you eventually 10:00 found yourself in a bad situation 10:02 facing a murder charge. 10:04 Talk about that whole situation? 10:06 Well, I was in a situation with that 10:09 and was out one night with three other guys. 10:13 They all were brothers, and a guy ended up did. 10:18 And I got question. 10:19 I never got formally charged for. 10:21 Okay. 10:22 But if God would have not stepped in, 10:25 that situation could have totally went... 10:27 Okay. Another different route. 10:29 Okay. Now when you say if God would not have stepped in. 10:33 How did God step into that situation 10:35 and change things for you? 10:37 Well, if you have three brothers. 10:39 Definitely. 10:41 Blood they say is thicker than water. 10:43 So you have three brothers and a God that's from the outside. 10:48 And all you had, all the three 10:50 had to do was collaborate a story. 10:52 And say, "Hey. It was, this guy that did it." 10:54 Yeah. 10:56 So, God did not allow that to happen. 10:59 And, you know, mind you, I have known these guys for years. 11:03 But even when you know one some year, 11:05 when someone's back is against the wall facing life... 11:08 Life. Yeah. 11:09 You know, people tend to turn. 11:11 Yeah, definitely. 11:12 So I know one none but the power of God 11:14 that kept in to be honest. 11:16 Yeah. 11:17 So... You know, it's interesting 11:18 how we look back on our lives. 11:21 And we can see the hand of God working through situations. 11:24 Often times, we may not recognize it at that point. 11:27 We're just like, "Oh, okay, minor technicality whatever." 11:30 And we get out. 11:32 But to look back on that and see how the hand of God 11:35 worked in your situation is a blessing. 11:38 Talk about different situations in your life, 11:40 where you've been able to look back 11:42 and see the hand of God in certain situations. 11:44 Okay, I want to promise them. I used to be in the military. 11:48 Okay. 11:50 And I was in the military for 18 months. 11:54 I got thrown out of the military. 11:56 I was in and out of jail after that process. 11:59 What were you thrown out of the military for? 12:02 Pretty much disrespect, I mean AWOL, things of that nature. 12:07 Okay. 12:08 And with that-- When I got thrown out, 12:12 you know, other dishonorable, dishonorable discharge. 12:14 Can't get a job anywhere. Yeah, definitely. 12:16 You know, so with that on my record, 12:18 you know, it was a ten-- 12:20 probability about a ten year timeframe 12:22 where I mean, I couldn't even get a job in McDonalds. 12:25 You know, I can remember it one time, 12:27 I had seven different job opportunities tell me no. 12:30 Yeah. 12:32 You know, and so throughout the years going through that 12:34 and not getting any jobs. 12:37 I decided, you know, I had to eat. 12:39 You know, so I ended up opening a strip club. 12:43 I ended up doing genitalia company. 12:46 And as running club you know. 12:48 So with that, that also complicated my life. 12:53 Yeah, okay. 12:54 You know, 'cause one thing about it is. 12:56 If you do lie in the streets long enough for whatever, 12:59 something is bound to happen. 13:00 Yeah, definitely, definitely. 13:03 That's generally not a good thing. 13:04 No, definitely, you know. 13:05 And that's kind of how about 13:07 the whole thing came, came about. 13:09 Yeah. But went to military though. 13:12 I got thrown out ten years later. 13:15 I got it changed to a fully honorable. 13:18 I didn't get it changed, God got it changed. 13:19 Yeah, amen. 13:21 And the thing is now, you know, I'm at Oakwood College. 13:25 And I am 70 percent disability. 13:31 Now mind you, Oakwood College is a expensive place to go to 13:36 and I'm going to school 13:38 and Oakwood College got free now. 13:40 Amen, amen. 13:41 You know, and the funny thing 13:43 is when I get out of the military, 13:46 I kept applying for my GI Bill. 13:48 Okay. And I was not able to get it. 13:51 So probably about three years ago, 13:54 I applied to three different colleges 13:56 to try to get it again. 13:58 Okay. 13:59 Now this is after I got all my everything 14:02 changed to fully honorable. 14:03 Okay. So I was entitled to it. 14:05 So anyway I got denied 14:07 on three different times for the GI Bill. 14:11 Now, the day that I decided to go to Oakwood, I never forget. 14:15 I had came, got 70 percent clear. 14:18 I got with the company call TMS. 14:20 And I had made my first two payments 14:22 to the loan company, that was loaning me 14:24 to the other 30 percent. 14:26 Okay. 14:27 And my mom called me one day, and she said, 14:28 "Greg, why don't you go down to the full rehab apply 14:31 for the V.A. there in Huntsville Alabama, 14:34 and see if you know, 14:36 you can you can get them to pay for your school." 14:38 Okay. 14:39 And I say, "Well, mom, you know, 14:40 I've been denied already but I'll try it." 14:42 Yeah. 14:43 So I go down, I try and when I go, 14:47 I meet a counselor and he told me 14:50 to just get a letter saying exactly 14:53 what degree in theology could do to different type jobs. 14:56 Okay. And everything, so I did that. 14:58 Came back to his office and he put me in a program. 15:01 Okay. 15:02 Now, I know that would have been God 15:04 because I have been denied three times. 15:05 Yes. Wow. 15:07 You know, and the other part that let me know for sure 15:10 that God has a hit all my life and that He is God 15:13 and what I do is that same guy retired 30 days later. 15:19 Wow. 15:20 You know, so, there's no doubt that no matter 15:23 what goes on in your life. 15:26 If God, when God got his hand in some, you know, 15:29 it works itself out. 15:30 Definitely, definitely. 15:31 Now, you mention in there about, 15:33 you know, owning different strip clubs. 15:34 What led you to get involved 15:36 in that whole lifestyle of running clubs? 15:40 Shed some light upon that? 15:41 I had to eat, I mean, you know, I couldn't get a job anywhere 15:44 and I mean, so that was one of the means for me to make money. 15:51 And so, that was the easiest thing. 15:56 And the most legal thing outside of, you know, 15:58 hustling and selling drugs, you know. 16:01 So that was, that was just my means of making money. 16:06 What was it like trying to run, run a strip club and you know 16:10 thing surrounded, surrounded with the club thing. 16:13 Because, you know, a lot of times, 16:14 the reason I'm asking because a lot of times young people 16:17 gravitate to the club. 16:18 You know, they gravitate to the strip club. 16:19 They gravitate to whatever kind of club. 16:21 They see it, they think it's fun. 16:23 See it on music videos whatever and they think it's fun 16:25 all the drinking that's going and drugs that are being used. 16:28 And I remember when I was younger, 16:31 it seemed like almost every club 16:32 I would go to always got shot up. 16:34 Just always got shot up. 16:37 And there's people that, young people especially 16:40 that are interested in going to these clubs or whatever. 16:43 But they don't know the reality of everything 16:46 that's going on there. 16:47 So if you could shed some light, 16:49 shed some light upon that since you ran a strip club yourself? 16:51 I would say the hardest thing of what people got to realize 16:54 is it's all-- I mean it's all illusion. 16:57 Yeah, definitely, I agree. It's all illusion. 17:00 And I mean for lack of better, better words I mean, 17:05 it's like to me, you see it 17:08 and you think it's glamour or whatever have you 17:10 but those are not, that's not real life. 17:14 Yeah, definitely. It definitely is not. 17:16 You know, it's not real life at all and is only assert. 17:21 The world is not built around that, you know. 17:24 And there's only a certain amount of things that, 17:27 you know, you're going to get out of it. 17:28 There's nothing good gonna come out of the club. 17:30 Definitely. 17:31 You know, and you know 17:33 young people have to understand 17:34 that ain't a place you really want to be. 17:38 You know, you said something interesting, 17:39 where you said everything is kind of like an illusion. 17:42 You know, I remember being younger 17:44 and, you know, watching hip-hop music videos. 17:46 And you see the money being flashed around and. 17:48 You know, even going to clubs and you see money 17:50 especially strip clubs see a money 17:52 flashed around and different things like that. 17:54 And it wasn't till years later I found out that, 17:56 that stuff ain't any real, the money is not real. 17:59 A lot of the times the cars 18:00 that the people are driving into, 18:02 they will rent it, they're not even their cars. 18:04 People are photoshopped and everything like that 18:06 surrounding the look the way they appear 18:08 and it's like what you say, it's all an illusion. 18:11 And it's interesting 18:12 how the devil makes things so attractive 18:15 but it's not even real. 18:17 It's so false, but talk about, talk about 18:21 how through the drinking and drugs, 18:23 it led kind of like a spiral effect downhill for your life? 18:27 Well, the drinking like we spoke about earlier is 18:32 what I tried to cover up 18:35 all the pain of whatever have you with that. 18:36 Okay. 18:38 'Cause when you're drinking and whatever, 18:39 you're on drugs, you gonna fall, 18:41 you gonna lose, you literally lose you know. 18:43 You live in a false, false life within yourself. 18:46 Yeah. 18:47 So what drinking and the drugs did is 18:51 basically suppress the foundation 18:53 that I was raised with. 18:55 And it allowed me to rationalize my sin 18:58 or rationalize my guilt. 18:59 That's what basically what the drinking 19:01 and the alcohol did for me. 19:02 Okay, okay. 19:04 Now looking back on your life, through the military, 19:06 through the club scene, through the drinking, 19:10 the drugs, different things like that. 19:12 What are some of the things that you would change? 19:14 And some of the things that you wouldn't change and why? 19:18 If there's one thing, and it's going to be-- 19:22 The statement going to seem 19:23 kind of contradictory but it's not. 19:25 Okay. 19:26 I would like to not have made the mistakes that I have made. 19:30 Okay. 19:31 But in the same breath, I'm glad I did 19:33 because it let me see God for myself. 19:36 It showed me the power of God and where He can bring you out. 19:40 Well, God is the way where you at. 19:42 Yeah, definitely. 19:43 Even when you don't want to help yourself, 19:45 He can still pull you out. 19:46 Yeah, definitely. You know, God 'cause see out. 19:48 He see besides you ask, He know what your heart is. 19:50 Yeah. 19:51 So, you know-- 19:53 Yeah, I wouldn't have liked to have been lot of situations. 19:56 But it taught me how to lean on God 20:00 and to see what God is talking about virtually. 20:02 I mean, you read the Bible and that's great. 20:05 But when you experience God for yourself... 20:06 Yeah, definitely. 20:08 He's gonna make some big difference. 20:09 Definitely. 20:11 And you know, I joke with my mom all the time 20:12 and I say, "Mama I've taught you 20:13 how to pray." 20:15 How to pray. Yeah, I know you'd go there. 20:16 You know, I taught you how to pray. 20:17 Definitely. 20:19 And just my own life spirit, it just show me truly 20:21 who God is and what He can do. 20:23 Yeah. Yeah. 20:24 You know, people read about a miracle. 20:26 But God showed me miracle my whole life, 20:28 Yeah. Definitely. 20:29 so it means more to me. 20:30 Definitely, you know it's interesting how 20:33 even when I came back into the church. 20:35 I left for a number of years, grew up Seventh-day Adventist 20:37 and came back. 20:38 And I had made a decision that 20:41 I was going to read the word every day. 20:42 No matter what I did today. 20:44 I was going to read the word 20:45 and I was going to read the Spirit of Prophecy. 20:46 I'll read a chapter out of the Bible everyday. 20:49 And I will read a chapter out of Patriarchs and Prophets. 20:51 And I notice that, you know, 20:54 the Bible isn't just a book of words. 20:56 You know, this is a... If this is, 20:57 if God's word created the world out of nothing, 21:01 then He can automatically just through His word, 21:04 recreate a person's life. 21:06 And I saw that in my life how He was able to 21:09 just through reading, just through reading the word, 21:11 just the power and experiencing God 21:13 for myself. 21:14 I saw how He can just change a person 21:16 just through some words. 21:18 It was powerful. 21:19 Now, looking back 21:21 when after you've made changes in your life-- 21:22 Matter of fact, what brought you to that point 21:24 of realizing that you needed to make a change in your life? 21:27 The murder charge. 21:28 Okay. Talk about that? 21:30 The murder charge because I was at a point in life 21:33 where, if those guys decided to collaborate a story. 21:38 My life would have been over. Okay. 21:40 So that and also just failure. 21:44 You know, even when running the strip clubs, 21:47 -- everything I've done, it was only short lived, 21:51 it never lasted throughout. 21:54 Okay. 21:55 And so, it wasn't of God so it was not going to last. 22:00 I mean, you know and that basically 22:01 what God had to show me. 22:02 Okay. 22:04 You know, you could have a lot of talent this and that 22:05 but if you don't put Him first, it's not going to last. 22:07 Yeah, definitely, definitely. 22:09 Now, looking back and realizing where you're at now. 22:12 What do you think for-- 22:13 'cause you grew up in a Seventh-day Adventist Church, 22:15 just like I grew up in 22:16 the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 22:18 What do you think will help with the young people 22:20 that are, you know, 22:22 because a lot of the young people, 22:23 they're tired of church. 22:24 They get to certain age and they're gone. 22:26 And it's like we have this gap in church 22:28 where you are either real young or real old, 22:31 but that middle group is missing that young. 22:33 What do you think some of the things 22:35 might need to be done to help young people 22:37 see the need to stay in church. 22:39 Well, I mean one thing I think 22:42 and it might not be a popular answer, 22:44 but I think there's need to be new blood in the church 22:48 for as your leadership, your pastors. 22:50 I think that there's a new generation 22:52 and that the new generation, 22:56 the way they view life in a way someone maybe older views life. 23:01 There's a, there's a gap. Okay. 23:04 And I think in order to... 23:05 Because, if you look at the church, 23:07 you either have a older group or a very younger group. 23:11 But someone our age is no one there 23:15 but, you don't see anyone in leadership 23:18 that you can see kind of like this program here, 23:21 which I mean. 23:22 I thank the Lord for being on 23:23 'cause it's shown that you don't have to wait 23:26 till you're 50 or 60 old to make a change in your life. 23:29 So I think that that age group would be touch 23:34 by having younger leadership as well as 23:37 people in the church has been more loving, 23:40 more loving less judgmental 23:42 and not looking at what a person does. 23:45 You know, I hear people speak about, 23:48 you know, jewelry 23:50 or wearing this or wearing that. 23:53 And my thing is I'm not saying that's not important. 23:57 Yeah. 23:58 But what I'm saying is let's give people God, 24:01 give them love and then let it love 24:03 and through God that be the conviction. 24:04 Okay. 24:06 So I think focus need to be on 24:07 making people fall in love with God 24:09 and allow Him to convict them... 24:11 Okay. 24:12 In order to get all the way 24:14 because everyone has skeletons in their closets. 24:18 I might just not be able to understand 24:20 if she would have come from. 24:21 Yeah. 24:22 You know and it's all a process. 24:24 Okay, now talk about 24:25 the coming from the lifestyle that you came from, 24:29 and where you are now, 24:30 talk about the joy that you have now 24:33 versus the false happiness that you had before 24:35 because you stated that everything you did 24:37 only lasted for short time. 24:39 So talk about that comparison 24:41 between the true joy with Jesus Christ 24:44 versus that false happiness from living, 24:47 living in the world? 24:48 Well, far as I like money, I used to chase money 24:51 that's why I, that's why I did so much 24:54 because I would never scared of really get out there and try, 24:56 I've always been a go getter. 24:57 Yeah, definitely. 24:58 But one thing that God have shown me is that 25:01 life is about quality. 25:03 Okay. Versus quantity. 25:04 Amen. 25:06 And the joy of Christ, knowing Christ, 25:11 doing the right thing, I mean, that's quality of life. 25:15 Definitely. 25:16 And that if you put God at first 25:20 in everything you do. 25:22 Yeah. 25:23 I'm not gonna say it's not gonna be easy road 25:25 'cause it's not. 25:26 But even when that road is tough, 25:28 you still gonna have peace as you're going along there. 25:30 Yeah. Amen. 25:31 You know, now you can have all the money in the world. 25:34 But if you ain't got no peace what you got it, 25:36 then it doesn't amount to none, so for me it's about peace. 25:40 You know, I say to people now, 25:42 if the money and the stress don't add up, 25:44 you can keep the money. 25:45 You know, because I have learned 25:47 in my life, you know. 25:48 And one thing about it. 25:50 God don't want us to be down in the dumps 25:53 and begging for bread or anything. 25:56 You know so, that's the thing quality versus quantity. 26:01 Yeah, I definitely believe that and you know 26:03 it's interesting that even a lot of people 26:05 that are millionaires, a lot of these movie stars, 26:08 hip-hop stars, different things like that. 26:10 It's interesting to see 26:11 how many drugs that they are on. 26:13 And how many have committed suicide overdosing 26:16 different things like that. 26:18 And you find at the root that they're not happy, 26:20 and the bottom-line is that when God created humanity, 26:24 He put kind of like this lock and key method. 26:26 That the only way you find true joy 26:28 is through Jesus Christ. 26:29 Everything else is like a mask, it's a cover up, 26:31 the money cover up. 26:33 The drugs are cover up. 26:35 Having sex with multiple people, 26:36 it's all a cover up. 26:37 But their true joy only comes from Jesus Christ. 26:40 What I want you to do for about the next 30 seconds 26:43 is I want you to appeal to that young person 26:45 that is, you know, interested in the club scene, 26:47 interested in making money using drugs. 26:49 And I want you to appeal to that young person 26:51 why they should choose Jesus over those things? 26:54 Young people I tell you today. 26:57 When you realize that God no matter what loves you, 27:03 then He will supply you with all the things that you think, 27:08 keyword think, that you're missing in life. 27:12 And the one joy that you will get is a peace. 27:16 Yes. 27:18 That will pass all understanding. 27:20 And just know that when you go out to the clubs 27:26 and you know all the things that you know 27:28 you shouldn't be doing, 27:30 you're not going to have that peace. 27:32 And so no matter how much money you make. 27:34 No matter how much fun you think you have it. 27:36 Without that peace and quality, it's nothing. 27:40 Amen, amen. Well said, Greg. 27:42 We like to thank you for being on the program once again. 27:45 Thank you for tuning in to 27:47 another exciting episode of The New Journey. 27:50 We hope that you join us next time 27:52 on another exciting program. |
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