The Prophetic Panorama

A Judas in the Church Part 2

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00:11 Welcome back.
00:13 Have you been enjoying our study together?
00:16 Praise the Lord.
00:18 Well, we're gonna do part two
00:21 of the subject "A Judas in the church."
00:26 Sounds kind of strange doesn't it,
00:27 Judas in the church?
00:29 This presentation is quite long.
00:33 I'm gonna do my best to cover all the material.
00:35 We might have to synthesize some things.
00:38 But let's attempt to do as much as we can.
00:42 But before we do, we wanna pray.
00:44 Father in heaven, as we study part two
00:47 of this very important subject, A Judas in the Church,
00:51 we ask for the guidance of Your Holy Spirit
00:53 and the willingness to embrace the truth
00:56 as you express it in Your Word.
00:59 Thank You Father
01:00 for the promise of Your presence,
01:01 we claim that promise in the precious name of Jesus,
01:05 amen.
01:08 In our first study together,
01:09 we discussed the emergence of the man of sin.
01:13 We noticed that the spirit of the Antichrist
01:16 was already manifesting itself
01:18 in the days of the Apostle Paul.
01:21 It was already operational,
01:23 but it was under the radar.
01:27 It could not be openly seen.
01:29 But the Apostle Paul was saying that the time would come
01:33 when that which was concealed
01:35 even in his day would be revealed.
01:40 Now the question is,
01:41 why didn't this man of sin manifest himself
01:45 openly in the days of the Apostle Paul?
01:49 Well, 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
01:53 tell us why this man of sin did not manifest himself openly
01:59 but his spirit was already wanting to manifest itself
02:03 in the days of the Apostle Paul.
02:05 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
02:07 tells us that something was restraining the man of sin.
02:12 Someone was restraining this man of sin
02:16 from being able to openly reveal himself.
02:20 It says in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7,
02:24 the Apostle Paul says to Thessalonians,
02:26 "And now you know what is restraining",
02:30 by the way that is neuter in Greek.
02:32 It's something not someone at this point.
02:36 So it says now you know what is restraining that he,
02:42 now this is masculine,
02:45 masculine, he, individual,
02:47 "That he may be revealed in his own time."
02:51 So you notice there's something that was restraining,
02:55 what?
02:57 And there was someone that was restraining,
02:59 who?
03:00 It continues saying in verse 7, the Apostle Paul,
03:03 "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work."
03:07 See, it was already at work in his day.
03:10 Only he who now restraints,
03:14 which we notice that it's a what as well,
03:16 it's a he and a what, that's important.
03:19 He who now restrains
03:22 will do so until he is what?
03:26 Is taken out of the way.
03:29 So in other words, there was something
03:30 in the days of the Apostle Paul
03:32 that was restraining this man of sin
03:35 from openly manifesting himself.
03:39 It was a what,
03:41 and it was a he and the question is,
03:44 what was it?
03:46 The bottom line folks is that at this time,
03:50 the Roman emperors,
03:53 this is the he, ruled over the Roman empire
03:59 and the man of sin could not occupy the throne
04:03 of the empire
04:04 unless the one who occupied the throne at that time
04:08 would be removed first.
04:11 So that he is the emperor
04:14 and the what was restraining was what?
04:18 Was the empire over which the emperor ruled.
04:22 Romans 13:4 is a very important verse,
04:26 it speaks about who was ruling at that time.
04:29 Here the Apostle Paul says,
04:32 for he, speaking about the Roman empire,
04:35 he's speaking about the emperor
04:37 but he's not talking about one specific emperor,
04:39 he's talking about a succession of emperors.
04:42 He says, "For he is God's minister
04:45 to you for good.
04:47 But if you do evil, be afraid for he,"
04:50 that is the civil authority,
04:51 "does not bear the sword in vain.
04:54 For he", the civil authority, "is God's minister,
04:57 an avenger to execute wrath on him
05:00 who practices evil."
05:02 Now when it says that he executes,
05:04 you know, wrath on him who practices evil.
05:09 Is the word him they're referring to one individual?
05:13 No, it means to whoever practices evil.
05:16 So when it says here
05:17 that he is God's minister for your good,
05:22 he does not bear the sword in vain,
05:24 It's not talking about specific individual,
05:26 it's talking about all of the emperor's of Rome
05:30 that bear the sword to preserve the civil order.
05:34 Now the question is,
05:36 what is it that release the man of sin?
05:39 What is it that took away the restraint
05:41 from the man of sin,
05:43 so the man of sin could openly reveal himself,
05:46 come from under the radar, and openly proclaim himself?
05:52 The answer is found in Daniel 7:23-24,
05:57 the prophecy to which the Apostle Paul is referring.
06:00 Daniel 7:23-24,
06:04 "Thus he said,
06:06 'The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
06:10 which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
06:12 and shall devour the whole earth trample it,
06:15 and break it in pieces.'"
06:17 Which kingdom is that?
06:19 The Roman empire.
06:21 Was that the empire that was ruling in Paul's day?
06:23 Yes.
06:25 So is Daniel 7:23 on the same page
06:29 as 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2, same time frame?
06:33 Absolutely.
06:34 But now notice what was gonna happen to the empire.
06:36 It says in verse 24,
06:38 "The ten horns are ten kings or kingdoms
06:41 that shall arise from this kingdom."
06:44 In other words,
06:45 the fourth empire was going to be what?
06:47 Was going to be divided
06:50 and when the empire was divided,
06:52 it says, "And another shall rise after them."
06:56 So in other words, a little horn
06:59 does not specifically exist in the days of Paul
07:02 but it's going to rise
07:04 after the Roman empire is dismembered.
07:06 Are you with me or not?
07:08 So it says, "Another will rise after them,
07:12 he shall be different from the first ones
07:14 and shall subdue three kings."
07:16 So you have the Roman empire,
07:17 which was the empire that ruled in the days of Paul,
07:21 later than that,
07:22 ten kingdoms would come from this empire.
07:25 In other words, the empire would be divided
07:27 and then after the division of the empire,
07:30 you would have the rise of the little horn,
07:32 which is the man of sin, or the Antichrist.
07:36 Now I wanna read an interesting statement
07:39 that we find here
07:42 in the Catechetical lectures of the Nicene
07:46 and Post-Nicene Fathers.
07:48 This is a comment by an individual
07:52 called Cyril of Jerusalem.
07:54 He was an early church Father.
07:55 He lived from 318 to 386 A.D.
07:58 He understood this prophecy
08:00 because he was living in the time
08:01 of the fragmentation of the Roman empire.
08:03 Notice how precise he was,
08:06 "But this aforesaid Antichrist is to come
08:11 when the times of the Roman empire
08:13 shall have been fulfilled,
08:16 and the end of the world is drawing near."
08:17 So he didn't know that history was gonna go on
08:19 for 2000 years like we already noticed.
08:22 "There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans,
08:27 reigning in different parts perhaps,
08:30 but all about the same time
08:33 and after those an eleventh, the Antichrist,
08:38 who by his magical craft
08:40 shall seize upon the Roman power,
08:44 and of the kings who reigned before him,
08:47 three shall he humble and the remaining seven,
08:51 he shall keep in subjection to himself.'"
08:55 Did he have it straight?
08:56 You better believe he had a straight
08:58 and he was living during that period.
09:01 By the way, the Book of Revelation
09:03 describes this transfer of power
09:06 from the dragon which is the fourth beast
09:09 to the beast, which is Papal Rome.
09:12 Let's read roman chapter
09:16 Revelation 13:2,
09:19 now the beast which is a symbol of the papacy,
09:21 that ruled 42 months,
09:23 "Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard,
09:26 his feet were like the feet of a bear,
09:29 his mouth like the mouth of a lion.
09:31 The dragon, which has been identified
09:33 in the previous chapter as the Roman empire
09:35 that tried to kill the child, remember?
09:38 That's the Roman empire.
09:39 So it says here, the dragon gave him,
09:43 that is the beast, the papacy,
09:45 his what?
09:46 His power, what else?
09:48 His throne and what else?
09:51 Great authority.
09:52 So was the beast that came from the sea
09:55 going to receive power
09:57 from the dragon or the Roman empire?
09:59 Absolutely.
10:01 Notice Ellen White's comment on this,
10:03 Great Controversy page 54,
10:05 Great Controversy page 54, Ellen White states,
10:09 "In the sixth century
10:11 the papacy had become firmly established.
10:14 Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city,
10:18 and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head
10:21 over the entire church.
10:24 Paganism had given place to the papacy.
10:28 When she's speaking about paganism,
10:29 she's talking about the Roman empire.
10:31 Paganism had given place to the papacy
10:34 and then she quotes Revelation 13:2,
10:36 "The dragon had given to the beast,
10:38 his power and his seat and great authority,"
10:42 and now began the 1260 years of papal oppression
10:47 foretold in the prophecies
10:49 of Daniel and the Revelation.
10:53 So the question is,
10:55 who was it that was restraining the manifestation
10:58 of the papacy as the Antichrist?
11:01 It was the Roman empire.
11:03 As long as the empire stood,
11:07 the man of sin could not rule
11:10 but once the empire and the emperor would remove,
11:14 were removed,
11:16 then this man of sin could rise to rule himself.
11:21 Now, let me give you a little bit of history.
11:24 In the year 330 A.D.,
11:27 Emperor Constantine moved the seat of the Roman empire
11:32 to Constantinople.
11:34 Today, it's Istanbul.
11:37 And thus, the political power of the west
11:40 was greatly weakened.
11:43 In fact, around the end of the fourth
11:46 and early fifth centuries,
11:48 not only that Constantine
11:50 had Constantine removed the empire,
11:52 the seat of the empire to Constantinople in the east,
11:56 but also at the end of the fourth
11:57 and early fifth centuries,
11:59 hordes of barbarian tribes from the north
12:03 invaded what had been the Roman empire
12:06 and carved it up into pieces.
12:09 In the year 476,
12:10 the last Roman emperor was deposed from Rome.
12:15 His name was Romulus Augustulus.
12:19 Thus there was no longer an emperor
12:22 in the Western Roman empire.
12:26 The man of sin could now rise to occupy the throne.
12:31 I wanna read you from a historian.
12:34 This is a historian that describes this period.
12:39 You can find the reference when we do the DVDs,
12:41 you're gonna find all of these quotations
12:43 on the screen even though we don't have them here.
12:45 This is what this historian has to say.
12:48 "When the insignificant Romulus Augustulus was deposed in 476,
12:54 there was no longer a titular emperor.
12:58 In other words, there was no longer an emperor.
13:01 Now what happened as a result?
13:03 As a result without an emperor,
13:05 the Roman empire became a mess.
13:09 Civil society fell apart,
13:13 the abandonment of Rome
13:15 by Constantine to Constantinople
13:18 and the deposition of the emperor in the West
13:24 turned the empire upside down
13:26 because it no longer had a civil ruler.
13:29 In this chaotic situation,
13:33 the Bishop of Rome
13:34 was enticed by the barbarian tribes,
13:38 to not only rule over them in religious affairs
13:41 but to rule over them in spiritual affairs as well.
13:46 And thus the Bishop of Rome, which today we call the pope
13:49 now is not only the civil ruler
13:52 to bring order in what had been the Roman empire,
13:55 but it also is the ruler in religious affairs.
13:59 Let me read you the description
14:01 that is given by a Roman Catholic Cardinal,
14:03 one of those Cardinals
14:05 that abandon the Catholic Church.
14:07 They were Anglicans
14:08 and they became Roman Catholics
14:10 and they were given the Cardinal's hat.
14:12 One of them was John Henry Newman.
14:14 You remember we mentioned him,
14:15 the other one was John Henry Manning,
14:18 and I want you to notice what he had to say.
14:20 This is not a Protestant scholar,
14:22 this is not me, it's him about what happened
14:25 when the barbarians invaded the empire
14:27 and how the barbarians asked the pope
14:30 to take over the civil ruler ship
14:33 and not only the religious ruler ship.
14:35 This is what he wrote,
14:37 "But from the hour when Constantine,
14:40 in the language of the Roman law,
14:43 'Deo jubente,' by the command of God,"
14:47 listen carefully,
14:48 "translated the seat of power to Constantinople,
14:53 from that moment,
14:55 there never reigned in Rome,
14:57 a temporal prince to whom the Bishops of Rome
15:01 owed a permanent allegiance.
15:05 James P. Conroy,
15:07 another historian describes it this way,
15:10 "Long ages ago,
15:12 when Rome through the neglect of the Western emperors
15:17 was left to the mercy of the barbarous hordes,
15:21 the Romans turned to one figure for aid and protection,
15:25 and asked him to rule," asked him to rule over them.
15:29 "And thus, in this simple matter,
15:32 the best title of all to kingly right,
15:35 commenced the temporal sovereignty of the popes."
15:38 See, the barbarians asked him to rule over them.
15:42 He continues saying, listen carefully,
15:46 "And meekly stepping to the throne of Caesar,
15:50 the vicar of Christ, or the vicar of Christ
15:54 took up the scepter
15:56 to which the emperors and kings of Europe
15:59 were to bow in reverence through so many ages.
16:04 Here's another one from another historian,
16:07 Carl Conrad Eckhardt,
16:10 he wrote,
16:11 and he's recognizing the three stages of Rome here,
16:16 "Under the popes,
16:21 the popes had no temporal powers,"
16:22 is what he says,
16:24 "But when the Roman empire had disintegrated,"
16:27 that's the second stage,
16:30 "and its place had been taken by a number of rude,
16:33 barbarous kingdoms,
16:35 the Roman Catholic Church," stage number three,
16:37 "the Roman Catholic Church
16:39 not only became independent of the states
16:41 in religious affairs,
16:43 but dominated secular affairs as well."
16:47 These are not Adventist historians.
16:51 Let me read you another statement,
16:53 R.W. Southern,
16:54 Western Society in the church in the Middle ages.
16:56 This is very interesting, he says,
16:58 "During the whole medieval period
17:00 there was in Rome,
17:02 a single spiritual and temporal authority,
17:07 exercising powers which in the end
17:11 exceeded those that had ever lain within the grasp
17:15 of the Roman emperor."
17:17 Here's another one from John N. Figgis.
17:20 This is an interesting statement.
17:22 He says, "In the Middle Ages the church was not a state,
17:26 it was the state or rather, the civil authority
17:32 was merely the police department of the Church."
17:36 Are you catching the picture?
17:38 Who had risen to the throne
17:40 to rule not only in religious affairs
17:43 but in political affairs?
17:44 The Bishop of Rome, who is called the pope today.
17:49 In 1302, Pope Boniface VII
17:53 wrote a very interesting bull.
17:56 By the way, the word bull,
17:58 means a personal letter of the pope.
18:00 So in 1302, Pope Boniface VIII writes a letter,
18:06 a bull and the title of the bull
18:08 is Unam Sanctam, in Latin,
18:12 and this is what he wrote,
18:14 "We are informed by the texts of the gospels
18:19 that in this Roman Catholic Church
18:22 and in its power are two swords."
18:26 So the Catholic Church, he says,
18:27 has how many swords?
18:29 Two swords,
18:31 "Namely, the spiritual and the temporal.
18:36 Both, therefore, are in the power of the church,
18:39 that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword,
18:43 but the former, that is the spiritual,
18:45 by the way, it's the Bible,
18:48 but the former is to be administered for the church.
18:53 But the latter that is the temporal,
18:54 the civil Bible Church,
18:57 the former that is the spiritual
18:59 in the hands of the priest,
19:01 the latter by the hands of the kings and soldiers,
19:05 but at the will and sufferance of the priest.
19:11 Are you catching the picture?
19:14 Cardinal Manning, you got to listen to this statement.
19:18 You remember that the Antichrist,
19:22 the man of sin was restrained right?
19:25 He was, in other words, he was bound
19:28 by the Roman empire.
19:30 Now listen to this statement
19:32 by this Roman Catholic Cardinal,
19:34 "Now the abandonment of Rome
19:36 was the liberation of the pontiffs."
19:41 He doesn't know he's commenting on 2 Thessalonians 2.
19:45 The abandonment of Rome
19:47 was the liberation of the pontiffs.
19:49 Whatsoever claims to obedience the emperors may have made
19:54 and whatsoever compliance the pontiff may have yielded,
19:58 the whole previous relation,
20:00 anomalous and anulled again and again
20:03 by the vices and outrages of the emperors,
20:06 was finally dissolved by a higher power.
20:10 The providence of God, listen carefully,
20:12 the providence of God permitted a succession of eruptions,
20:16 Gothic, Lombard, and Hungarian, to desolate Italy,
20:20 and to efface from it every remnant of the empire."
20:26 Now listen carefully,
20:27 "The pontiffs found themselves alone,
20:31 the soul or the only fountains
20:34 of order, peace, law, and safety.
20:38 And from the hour of this providential Liberation",
20:42 liberation from what?
20:44 From the Roman empire.
20:46 "From this providential liberation,
20:49 when, by divine intervention
20:52 that chains fell off
20:54 from the hands of the successor of Peter."
20:58 Are you catching the picture?
21:01 So what happens when the emperor is removed?
21:03 The barbarians carve up,
21:05 you know, society, it becomes a mess.
21:08 And so now the pope steps to the throne of Caesar.
21:11 How does he describe this?
21:12 He says the chains fell off.
21:15 What to chains do?
21:17 They restrain.
21:18 And he speaks of providential liberation.
21:21 So it says, "When, by a divine intervention,
21:23 the chains fell off
21:25 from the hands of the successor of Peter,
21:27 as once before his own, from his own,
21:30 no sovereign has ever reigned in Rome
21:33 except the Vicar of Jesus Christ."
21:37 Here's another statement by Manning,
21:40 "The papacy waited
21:42 until such a time as God should break its bonds asunder,
21:47 and should liberate it
21:48 from subjection to civil powers,
21:51 and then enthrone it in the possession
21:53 of a temporal sovereignty of its own."
21:57 Notice once again, the terminology,
22:00 break its bonds,
22:02 liberated from subjection to civil powers
22:06 and enthrone it
22:07 with a temporal sovereignty of its own.
22:11 He's commenting on the restrainer
22:14 and the man of sin,
22:16 who when the chains fall off,
22:18 he openly manifest himself.
22:20 Now Manning is saying
22:22 that when the emperor Constantine
22:24 moved the seat of the empire to Constantinople
22:28 and the barbarians carved up the Roman empire,
22:32 there was a vacuum in the civil authority.
22:37 And so the barbarians asked the Bishop of Rome,
22:40 not only to rule in religious affairs,
22:42 but to rule also in civil affairs.
22:46 And Manning describes this
22:48 as breaking bonds asunder
22:52 and the chains falling off.
22:56 Let me read you a comment by Albert Barnes.
22:59 Albert Barnes was a Bible Commentary,
23:02 commentator, a very famous Bible Commentary commentator,
23:07 and he wrote the following about this restrainer
23:10 and the manifestation of the man of sin.
23:13 He says, "The supposition
23:15 which will best suit this language is,
23:18 that there was then some civil restraint,
23:22 preventing the development of existing corruptions,
23:26 but that there would be a removal
23:28 or withdrawal of that restraint
23:31 and that then,
23:33 the tendency of the existing corruptions will be seen.
23:37 It is evident as Oldshausen remarks,
23:41 that this resisting or restraining power
23:44 must be something out of the church
23:47 and distinguished
23:49 from the anti-Christian tendency itself.
23:52 It is necessary therefore, to understand this,
23:55 of the restraints of civil power.
23:58 Was there, then, any fact in history
24:00 which will accord with this interpretation?"
24:02 He asks,
24:04 "The belief among primitive Christians
24:06 was that what hindered the rise of the man of sin
24:10 was the Roman empire,
24:12 and therefore 'they prayed for its peace and welfare
24:16 as knowing that when the Roman empire
24:19 should be dissolved and broken in pieces,
24:21 the empire of the man of sin will be raised on its ruins.'"
24:26 So they prayed to Lord, preserve the Roman empire
24:29 because when it falls apart,
24:31 the man of sin is gonna be revealed.
24:33 The early Fathers believed that.
24:35 Now let me read you
24:36 what Ellen White has to say
24:39 about the removal of the restraint.
24:42 In Great Controversy page 49, she wrote,
24:45 "The spirit of compromise and conformity,"
24:49 she's speaking about the early church,
24:51 "was restrained,"
24:54 was what?
24:56 "Restrained for a time by the fierce persecutions
25:00 which the church endured under paganism."
25:02 When she says paganism, it's the Roman empire.
25:05 Then she says, "But as persecution ceased,
25:09 and Christianity entered the courts
25:11 and palaces of kings,"
25:14 see, involved in the civil ruler ship of the nation,
25:17 she says, "She laid aside the humble simplicity of Christ
25:19 and His apostles for the pomp and pride
25:22 of pagan priests and rulers,
25:24 and in place of the requirements of God,
25:26 she substituted human theories and traditions."
25:31 She also wrote in Manuscript Releases Volume 1, page 50,
25:35 "The vast empire of Rome crumbled to pieces,
25:39 and from its ruins rose that mighty power,
25:42 the Roman Catholic Church.
25:45 This church boasts of her infallibility
25:48 and her hereditary religion.
25:52 Now let's read once again, 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
25:56 and try and make some sense out of this
25:58 in the light of what we've already read.
26:02 The Apostle Paul says,
26:04 "And now you know what is restraining,"
26:09 according to what we're studying,
26:10 what is it that was restraining?"
26:13 The empire, what?
26:16 And then he says,
26:18 "That he may be revealed in his own time."
26:21 That's the Antichrist,
26:23 "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work,
26:26 only he, which would be the emperor,
26:29 but it's not one emperor, it's a succession of emperor's
26:32 as we've noticed the meaning of the word he,
26:34 but only he who now restrains
26:38 will do so until when?
26:40 Until he is taken out of the away.
26:42 So was the papacy taken out of the away?
26:45 Was the Roman empire taken out of the away
26:47 by the barbarians?
26:48 Absolutely.
26:50 Now, some people say, "Well,
26:51 why didn't the Apostle Paul just come right out and say,
26:54 you know, the Roman empire is gonna be removed
26:56 and that the Antichrist will be manifested.
27:00 Well, it's quite obvious that if Paul had told
27:04 the church members
27:05 that the Roman empire was gonna be removed
27:08 and replaced by the papacy,
27:10 he would be accused of sedition against the Roman empire.
27:14 The Roman emperors would say, What do you mean
27:16 that we kind of be removed,
27:18 and somebody else is gonna rule the empire.
27:20 And so he had to speak in an indirect way.
27:24 He says, "You know what is restraining,
27:28 you know, who is restraining
27:30 and you know, that when that restraint was removed,
27:33 the man of sin will manifest himself,
27:35 but it doesn't come right out and say
27:38 that Rome is going to be removed,
27:40 because if he said that,
27:41 he would be accused of sedition.
27:45 Incidentally, the way futurists interpret
27:50 this restrainer is they say
27:53 that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.
27:56 And when the Holy Spirit is removed,
27:59 then the man of sin can manifest himself.
28:02 Even the Andrews University study Bible
28:04 says that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.
28:07 I believe that what the early church Fathers believed
28:11 was much more accurate.
28:13 In fact, let's read some statements
28:14 from the early church Fathers
28:16 who lived slightly before the Roman empire fell apart,
28:21 and some of them at the time
28:23 that the Roman empire was falling apart.
28:25 Let's begin with Tertullian.
28:28 He lived it from the year 160 to the year to 240 A.D.
28:33 This is what he wrote,
28:35 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work.
28:39 Only he who now hinders must hinder,
28:43 until he be taken out of the way."
28:45 And now comes his interpretation.
28:48 What obstacle is there but the Roman state,
28:52 the falling away of which,
28:55 by being scattered into ten kingdoms,
28:57 shall introduce Antichrist upon its own ruins?'
29:02 And then shall be revealed the wicked one.'"
29:05 Did you have it clear,
29:07 the meaning of his prophecy?
29:09 He most certainly did.
29:10 Tertullian also wrote the following,
29:13 "The end of all things
29:16 threatening dreadful woes
29:19 is only retarded by the continued existence
29:23 of the Roman empire."
29:26 Lactantius,
29:28 one of the Church Fathers wrote in the fourth century,
29:31 the following words,
29:33 "The subject itself declares
29:35 that the fall and ruin of the world
29:38 will certainly take place,
29:41 except that while the city of Rome remains,
29:45 it appears that nothing of this kind is to be feared."
29:50 You understand that?
29:52 Continues writing,
29:53 "But when the capital of the world shall have fallen,
29:58 and shall have begun to be a street,
30:00 which the Sibyls say shall come to pass,
30:03 who can doubt that the end has now arrived
30:05 to the affairs of men and the whole world?
30:08 It is that city,
30:10 that only,
30:12 which still sustains all things."
30:16 Let me read what Ambrose had to say,
30:18 another early church father.
30:19 He died in the year 398A.D.
30:22 This is near the time
30:23 when the barbarians are invading the empire
30:26 and carving it up.
30:28 He wrote the following,
30:29 "After the falling or decay of the Roman empire,
30:35 Antichrist will appear."
30:38 Let me read you what Chrysostom had to say.
30:40 He died in the year 407A.D,
30:43 this is what he wrote,
30:45 "When the Roman empire is taken out of the way,
30:49 then he shall come."
30:51 That is the Antichrist.
30:52 "And naturally,
30:54 for as long as the fear of this empire lasts,
30:58 no one will willingly exalt himself."
31:02 That's why Paul didn't say it's the Roman empire
31:04 because if he says that he's accused of sedition,
31:08 and it shortens his ministry.
31:10 He continues writing,
31:14 "And naturally,
31:15 for as long as the fear of this empire lasts,
31:17 no one will willingly exalt himself,
31:20 but when that is dissolved,
31:21 in other words, when the empire is dissolved,
31:24 he will attack the anarchy,
31:25 and endeavor to seize upon the government
31:28 both of man and of God.
31:31 Is that what happened with the papacy?
31:33 Did they take over the government of man
31:34 besides the government of God?
31:37 Absolutely.
31:38 Notice what Jerome had to say.
31:40 He's the one who translated
31:41 the vulgate version of the Bible,
31:44 which is the official Roman Catholic version
31:46 of the Bible for the vulgate.
31:48 He died in the year 420 A.D, he wrote this,
31:51 "He that letteth," that's the word
31:53 that's used in the King James for restrain.
31:56 "He that letteth is taken out of the way,
32:00 and yet we do not realize that Antichrist is near."
32:03 He lived when the barbarians were invading the empire.
32:06 He's said it's happening.
32:08 He's saying that you know, the empire is falling,
32:12 and we do not realize
32:15 that the Antichrist has come
32:18 or in the process of coming.
32:20 Are you understanding
32:21 what the early church Fathers are saying?
32:24 They're saying that what restrains
32:26 is the emperor and the empire
32:30 but when the last emperor is deposed,
32:33 when the seat of the empire is moved to Constantinople,
32:36 and society is a disaster,
32:39 they need a civil ruler and not only religious ruler.
32:43 And so now,
32:44 the restrainer haven't been taken out of the way,
32:48 the Bishop of Rome can come
32:50 and occupy the throne that was left vacant.
32:53 Now let's go to 2 Thessalonians 2:6,
32:56 is this making sense?
32:58 Yes?
32:59 Is it historical?
33:01 You can go to the history books and read it.
33:04 2 Thessalonians 2:6,
33:07 the Apostle Paul says,
33:08 "And now you know what is restraining,
33:11 that he may be revealed
33:13 in his own time."
33:18 Was there a specific point of time
33:20 when this antichrist was going to begin his rule?
33:23 Yes.
33:25 What time would be referred to here?
33:28 The 1260 years.
33:31 Is that a specific time prophecy
33:33 of the period in which this power would rule?
33:37 538 to 1798.
33:39 In other words, what Paul is saying
33:41 is this Antichrist system
33:44 is gonna rise at the specific time
33:46 in which God placed on his calendar,
33:50 not before and not after,
33:52 he will rise in his own time.
33:55 And then in Chapter 2, verse 7,
33:58 he says, "For the mystery of lawlessness
34:00 is already at work."
34:02 So in his day,
34:04 the Antichrist spirit was already at work.
34:07 Only He, this is the emperor or the succession of emperors,
34:11 "Who now restrains will do so until he,"
34:15 that is a succession of emperors,
34:17 "is taken out of the way."
34:23 However 2 Thessalonians 2 is not the end of the story.
34:29 We now need to go beyond 2 Thessalonians 2.
34:33 You see, the Apostle Paul only describes
34:37 the first stage of the Antichrist system.
34:41 The stage where the Roman empire
34:44 is taken out of the way,
34:45 the emperor was taken out of the way,
34:47 the emperor that was ruling
34:49 goes to the east against to Constantinople,
34:52 the barbarians carve up the empire,
34:54 the Bishop of Rome steps to the throne.
34:57 He becomes Caesar as many writers say,
35:00 he occupies the throne of Caesar.
35:03 He rises in his own time and rules for 1260 years.
35:08 That is the perspective that the Apostle Paul gives.
35:10 But he hints at the fact
35:13 that there's gonna be another stage to this power.
35:16 Because this power is destroyed
35:18 by the brightness of Christ's coming,
35:22 which means that this power is going not only to exist
35:25 in the days when it rises to the throne in 538,
35:29 but it is going to rule till the very end of time.
35:34 Now, Paul does not specifically discuss
35:37 the second stage of this Antichrist.
35:42 So we need to go beyond this.
35:47 As far as we know,
35:50 the papacy and this is,
35:53 I shouldn't say as far as we know,
35:56 we know that the papacy ruled from 538 to 1798.
36:01 In 1798, the papacy received a deadly wound.
36:06 Many people misunderstand what the deadly wound is.
36:10 They say, well, the deadly wound
36:11 is that the papacy was,
36:13 you know, the Roman Catholic Church
36:15 was going to cease to exist.
36:17 Well, the Roman Catholic Church didn't cease to exist in 1798.
36:21 Did people still take their children to mosque?
36:24 Did they still baptize them?
36:26 Did they still go to the confession room?
36:29 Did they still participate in the Eucharist?
36:31 Absolutely.
36:33 The Catholic Church didn't disappear in 1798.
36:37 What the deadly wound
36:38 was that the civil authority of the papacy
36:42 was removed by France.
36:44 France said "You're not going to rule
36:47 civilly anymore.
36:50 You can be a spiritual ruler but not a civil ruler.
36:54 In other words, that deadly wound
36:55 the Bible says was given to the papacy with the sword
36:59 that the papacy used to kill with.
37:01 He who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword.
37:06 Now, what does the sword represent?
37:08 Well, people say this sword represents the Bible.
37:11 But in this case, that can't represent the Bible.
37:15 Because the papacy didn't use the Bible to kill people.
37:18 And the very sword that the papacy used to kill
37:21 was the sword
37:23 that was gonna give the papacy its deadly would.
37:24 So the sword must represent something else in this context.
37:29 In Romans Chapter 13,
37:30 we see that it's the civil power
37:32 that has the sword.
37:34 In other words, in 1798,
37:35 France took away the sword from the papacy,
37:37 they said, "You're not gonna use the civil powers
37:39 of the world anymore.
37:43 You can be a ruler of the church,
37:45 but you're not gonna be able to use the states
37:47 to accomplish your purposes."
37:49 That is the deadly wound.
37:52 So let me ask you.
37:53 Was the papacy
37:55 put under restraint again in 1798?
38:01 Do you know what Revelation calls that?
38:03 The deadly wound.
38:08 Was the papacy restrained
38:10 from using the civil power in 1798?
38:13 Absolutely.
38:14 Has the papacy been under restraint
38:17 ever since then?
38:21 Pretty much so.
38:22 Let me read you some statements
38:24 from the writings of Ellen White
38:26 where we are told that the papacy now is inactive
38:32 and when you say inactive,
38:34 well, the pope is traveling here, there and everywhere.
38:36 Yes, but the papacy is not able to persecute
38:38 like it did in the past.
38:40 Why?
38:41 Because in the past, they used the civil powers to persecute,
38:46 but in 1798 the civil power was removed from it,
38:49 the sword was removed from it.
38:51 And not until it recovers a sword,
38:53 will it be able to behave as it did in the past?
38:56 Are you understanding me?
38:58 Let me read you some statements from the Spirit of Prophecy,
39:02 "The influence of Rome
39:04 in the countries that once acknowledged her dominion."
39:10 There in the 1260 years,
39:12 is still far from being destroyed
39:15 and prophecy foretells a restoration of her power."
39:20 Then she quotes,
39:22 I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death,
39:25 and his deadly wound was healed:
39:26 and all the world wondered after the beast."
39:31 So does the beast have two stages of dominion?
39:34 Yes, 1260 years
39:36 when the civil power is taken away,
39:38 and now it can use the civil power to persecute
39:41 and to do what it wants.
39:44 The power is removed in 1798.
39:48 In other words, the shackles are put back on.
39:51 The papacy is thrown into prison so to speak.
39:55 And as a result,
39:56 the papacy cannot use the civil powers of the world.
40:00 But Revelation and Ellen White
40:02 tells us that the papacy will recover
40:06 the power they lost.
40:08 Who is gonna return the sword to the papacy?
40:12 The United States of America.
40:14 Has the deadly wound been healed yet?
40:17 No, the deadly wound is healed
40:19 when the papacy has the sword again,
40:22 the sword of civil power.
40:24 And the Bible tells us that the United States
40:26 is gonna be the nation
40:27 that will first return the sword to the papacy,
40:30 and Ellen White states that every country on the globe
40:33 will follow the example of the United States.
40:36 That's why Pope Francis is so intent
40:39 on getting the support of the rulers of the world
40:41 by using the talking points that they like.
40:45 Climate change, poverty, immigration,
40:51 those are the topics that the civil rulers enjoy.
40:55 This pope doesn't talk about euthanasia,
40:58 and about abortion, and about gay marriage.
41:02 In fact, when they asked him about gay marriage,
41:04 he says, "Who am I to judge?"
41:07 You remember that?
41:08 Those talking points, civil rulers don't like those.
41:12 But they love it when you talk about poverty,
41:15 when you talk about immigration and about climate change.
41:19 He wants to earn the support
41:21 of the civil powers of the world,
41:23 beginning with the United States.
41:24 The only problem is Donald Trump
41:26 was a bump in the road
41:29 because he's totally opposite
41:30 of the pope in every particular.
41:33 I believe God has given us time.
41:36 God is saying, "Get down to business
41:38 and tell people about this."
41:42 Another statement by Ellen White,
41:44 volume five of the Testimonies, page 712.
41:48 She says, "When our nation
41:49 shall so abjure the principles of its government
41:53 as to enact a Sunday law,
41:56 Protestantism will in this act
42:00 join hands with popery,"
42:02 and listen carefully now,
42:04 "it will be nothing else
42:07 than giving life to the tyranny."
42:11 Why would you have to give life to the tyranny?
42:15 You only give life to that which is dead, hello.
42:19 That's talking of the dead, healing of the wound.
42:22 "Giving life to the tyranny
42:25 which has long been eagerly watching
42:28 its opportunity to spring again into active despotism."
42:33 Spring again means
42:34 the deadly wound will be healed.
42:37 In another statement, Signs of the Times, page,
42:40 actually June 12, 1893.
42:42 She wrote, "Protestants will throw
42:44 their whole influence
42:46 and strength on the side of the papacy
42:48 by a national act," by the way, that's an act of Congress,
42:52 "by a national act enforcing the false Sabbath,
42:55 they will give life and vigor."
42:57 There you have again, the healing of the wound.
42:59 "They will give life and vigor to the corrupt faith of Rome,
43:03 reviving," there's the healing of the deadly wound,
43:07 "reviving her tyranny and oppression of conscience.
43:11 Then it will be time for God to work in mighty power
43:13 for the vindication of his truth."
43:19 Now,
43:21 I wanna read you a very interesting statement.
43:24 This statement was written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit,
43:29 who died a few years ago,
43:31 you're gonna recognize his name, Malachi Martin.
43:34 He wrote the book, "The Keys of This Blood."
43:37 He was an intimate personal friend
43:38 of Pope John Paul II.
43:41 In 1986, he wrote a very significant statement,
43:45 which he didn't even realize what he was commenting on,
43:49 but it's a powerful statement.
43:52 He's speaking about the deadly wound
43:54 that was given to the papacy and the healing of the wound,
43:56 although he doesn't realize it.
43:58 This is how it reads,
44:01 "For 1500 years and more,
44:04 papal Rome had kept as strong a hand as possible
44:10 in each local community around the wide world."
44:15 So how long had papal Rome kept stronghold
44:18 on every community in the world?
44:20 Every local community,
44:22 he says for 1500 years.
44:24 Now notice what he says,
44:26 "By and large, and admitting some exceptions."
44:30 He's writing this in 1986.
44:33 That has been the Roman view,
44:36 what had been the Roman view?
44:38 "Keeping a strong a hand as possible
44:40 in each local community around the wide world.
44:45 That had been the Roman view
44:47 until 200 years of inactivity
44:53 had been imposed upon the papacy
44:56 by the major secular powers of the world."
45:00 Are you understanding
45:02 the significance of that statement?
45:04 What he's saying is that for the last 200 years,
45:06 he's writing in 1986,
45:08 the papacy has been inactive.
45:13 Now talking about the Catholic Church,
45:15 talk about the papacy,
45:18 why is it been inactive?
45:20 He explains it,
45:22 200 years of inactivity
45:24 has been imposed upon the papacy
45:26 by the major secular powers of the world.
45:29 They put the handcuffs back on.
45:33 Incidentally, you know, what's interesting
45:35 about this statement of Malachi Martin
45:39 is if you go back from 1986,
45:43 200 years,
45:45 you're at the French Revolution.
45:49 What he's saying without realizing it
45:51 is that the French Revolution
45:53 actually imposed 200 years of inactivity
45:59 upon the papacy,
46:00 the major secular powers of the world.
46:04 So how will the handcuffs come off?
46:09 How are the handcuffs gonna come off?
46:13 Listen, folks,
46:15 not only did France withdraw its support of the papacy,
46:19 after France
46:21 withdrew its civil support of the papacy,
46:24 every nation in Europe
46:26 began establishing democratic governments
46:28 independent of the papacy.
46:30 Let me read you a statement here from Cardinal Manning.
46:33 He wrote this in 1862.
46:36 And he's lamenting the fact
46:39 that the countries in Europe
46:41 have forsaken the papacy in 1862.
46:44 This is what he wrote,
46:46 "See this Catholic Church,
46:49 this church of God,
46:51 feeble and weak,
46:53 rejected even by the very nations called Catholic.
46:59 There is Catholic France,
47:01 and Catholic Germany,
47:03 and Catholic Italy,
47:06 giving up this exploded figment of a temporal power
47:09 of the Vicar of Jesus Christ."
47:11 Those have given up the idea
47:13 that the Vicar of Christ has temporal power.
47:16 "And so because the church seems weak," why?
47:21 Because it has a deadly wound, of course,
47:22 he doesn't know he's commenting on this.
47:25 "And so, because the church seems weak
47:28 and the Vicar of the Son of God
47:29 is renewing the passion of his master upon earth,"
47:32 because he's being persecuted,
47:34 "therefore, we are scandalized,
47:36 therefore we turn our faces from him."
47:42 Not only was the papacy forsaken by France,
47:47 all of the civil powers of Europe
47:49 and the United States withdrew their support
47:55 and chained the papacy once again.
47:59 Now, what about the healing of the deadly wound?
48:03 The history of the papacy in order to complete,
48:05 the man of sin will manifest himself in a second stage.
48:07 You have to go beyond 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2,
48:10 to understand this.
48:12 Revelation Chapter 17 presents the scenario
48:15 how it's going to happen.
48:17 Revelation 17 speaks about a harlot,
48:22 that's the papacy.
48:24 Her name is Babylon,
48:27 worldwide system even according to Dave Hunt the futurist.
48:31 She sits on many waters, what does that mean?
48:35 Oh, she rules over nations, tongues and people.
48:40 She has an adulterous spiritual relationship
48:42 with the kings of the earth.
48:44 She fornicates with the kings of the earth,
48:46 it says there.
48:48 She has in her hand,
48:50 a golden cup full of her abominations,
48:55 wine, fermented wine,
48:57 which represents false doctrine.
48:59 She's adorned with purple and scarlet,
49:01 have you ever noticed the colors
49:02 that the papacy uses,
49:04 they never use blue
49:06 because blue represents the law of God.
49:10 It's always purple and scarlet.
49:13 So it says, she's clothed in purple and scarlet
49:16 filled with gold and precious stones.
49:19 And by the way, she has daughters,
49:21 because she is the mother of harlots.
49:25 So you have this trilogy,
49:27 the kings of the earth,
49:29 she fornicates with the kings of the earth,
49:31 and she has daughters that do her bidding,
49:37 and she's gonna be filled with the blood of the saints
49:39 and the martyrs of Jesus according to Revelation 17:6,
49:42 she's gonna do what she did in the past.
49:45 Let me read you a statement from Ellen White.
49:49 Great Controversy 564,
49:50 Ellen White tells us
49:51 how the restraint will be removed,
49:53 how the papacy will receive its power again.
49:56 If the deadly wound means
49:58 that the civil power withdrew its support,
50:00 the healing of a wound means that the secular power
50:03 is gonna give the support again.
50:05 Listen to this statement, Great Controversy, page 564.
50:09 "Let the restraints
50:12 now imposed by secular governments
50:15 be removed."
50:18 What?
50:20 Let the What?
50:21 The restraints imposed by whom?
50:26 By the secular governments upon whom?
50:29 Upon the papacy.
50:32 "And Rome be reinstated."
50:36 What does reinstated mean?
50:40 Once again occupy the position that she had.
50:44 Let the restraints now imposed
50:46 by secular governments be removed
50:49 and Rome be reinstated in her former power,
50:53 and there would speedily be a revival
50:56 of her tyranny and persecution."
50:59 What is that that restraints the papacy today?
51:03 The secular government,
51:05 but if the secular governments remove that restraint,
51:10 it will be a revival of her tyranny and persecution
51:13 because she will use the civil powers
51:15 like she used them in the past
51:18 and that is the ultimate goal of the papacy,
51:23 even though it's not overt,
51:25 you can't see it on the surface
51:27 but that is ultimately the purpose.
51:31 Now, the best way in the Bible to understand this binding
51:36 and unbinding of the papacy
51:40 is by going to the Bible itself.
51:43 You know, we read statements from historians,
51:45 the early church fathers.
51:47 We read this statement from Ellen White
51:48 where she says that the civil powers
51:50 were the ones that restraint
51:51 and if the restraint is taken away,
51:53 in other words as the civil power
51:55 support the system again,
51:56 she's going to act like she did in the past.
51:58 So we've read from historians and from Ellen White.
52:00 How do we get this from the Bible though?
52:03 The best way is by going to Revelation Chapter 20
52:07 where you have a mention of chains and prison.
52:13 By the way does Revelation 13 say that he
52:15 who leads into captivity will be taken into captivity?
52:20 He who wounds with a sword will be wounded with the sword.
52:23 So it's speaking about the papacy
52:24 going into what?
52:26 Into captivity in 1798.
52:30 What does that mean?
52:31 It's gonna be thrown into what?
52:33 Prison.
52:35 Why was the papacy thrown into prison in 1798?
52:38 Because she lost in support of what?
52:41 Of the civil powers.
52:43 Now, Revelation 20 is the key to understand this.
52:47 Let me ask you, does the devil have a lot of power these days?
52:50 Does he have a lot of power?
52:52 He's got plenty of power.
52:54 Where does the power of the devil reside?
52:57 In the fact that he's able to use
52:59 the civil powers of the world to accomplish his purpose.
53:04 How did he accomplish the intent to kill Moses?
53:09 By using Pharaoh.
53:11 How did he attempt to kill Jesus when He was born?
53:15 By using Rome.
53:17 So as long as Satan has the support
53:21 of the kings of the world, he's free.
53:26 Are you with me?
53:29 But in Revelation 20, it says
53:31 that he is gonna be thrown in prison
53:33 and he's gonna be chained.
53:35 What does that mean,
53:37 he's gonna be thrown in prison and he's gonna be chained?
53:41 We already studied the millennium.
53:44 It means that all of his power base
53:47 is going to be what?
53:50 Is gonna be killed when Jesus comes.
53:53 Is he going to have any kings to deceive?
53:56 What is the power base of the devil?
53:59 The power base of the devil is using the civil powers
54:03 to accomplish His purpose.
54:05 But when Jesus comes, all of the nations of the earth
54:09 will be destroyed
54:12 and therefore Satan, will be what?
54:14 Bound.
54:16 What does the losing of Satan mean after the millennium?
54:21 After the millennium, what happens
54:23 with his power base?
54:24 All of those that he was deprived
54:25 of at the second coming?
54:28 Oh, now they all resurrect.
54:31 And he says, "Hey, I got my kings back.
54:36 I got the civil power back."
54:39 So for the devil to be bound
54:41 means that he loses his power base.
54:45 To be loosed means
54:47 that he has the power base back.
54:51 Revelation itself explains what the deadly wound is
54:54 and how the deadly would is healed.
54:57 It has to do with whether the papacy
54:58 is able to use civil powers of the world or not.
55:04 So this is the second stage
55:08 which the Apostle Paul doesn't directly describe,
55:11 but we can understand that he's also including
55:13 that because the Bible tells us that this system, this power,
55:18 this man of sin will be destroyed
55:19 by the brightness of Christ's coming
55:21 so he must be ruling at the Second Coming.
55:23 But Revelation tells us that he has two stages
55:26 and in between there's a period of inactivity.
55:30 Is this making sense?
55:32 It's biblical.
55:33 The Adventist view is rock solid, folks.
55:37 The world needs to know it.
55:38 It's historicism.
55:41 It's not futurism, futurism, you know,
55:44 it's like sitting on a limb and sign it up
55:49 because you have no place to begin.
55:51 You say, okay, you know,
55:53 it carries you to the Roman Empire.
55:55 And then the prophecy is suspended
55:57 How do you know when it begins again?
56:01 History is irrelevant
56:03 because you don't have any reference point
56:06 but when you have historicism,
56:09 it makes all the sense in the world,
56:10 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, the Roman Empire,
56:13 the ten divisions of Rome,
56:16 the little horn, 1260 years,
56:19 1798, the civil powers withdraw their support,
56:23 the deadly wound is imposed for the last 200 years
56:27 plus there's been peace because the papacy
56:31 is not been able to use its civil powers of the world,
56:33 but the United States
56:35 will return the sword to the papacy
56:37 and the papacy will act the way she did in the past.
56:42 Is it making sense?
56:45 And then will come the time of trouble
56:47 such as never has been seen in the history of the world
56:52 and when it appears that God's people
56:53 are gonna be wiped out,
56:56 Michael is gonna stand up.
56:58 When the king of the north comes to seek to annihilate
57:01 and destroy many, according to Daniel 11,
57:03 the last few verses,
57:04 Michael is gonna stand up and say,
57:06 "Hey, those are my people, don't touch him.
57:10 If you touch them, you touched the apple of my eye."
57:14 And so Jesus now rises to defend His people.
57:18 That doesn't mean that God's people
57:19 are not gonna go through the time of trouble.
57:21 The prophecy says that God's people
57:22 will go through a time of trouble.
57:23 Jesus will not allow them to die,
57:25 but their faith will be tried
57:29 but then finally at the end of trouble,
57:31 of the time of trouble,
57:33 Jesus will deliver His people.
57:36 And by the way, the final deadly wound
57:40 is when the kings of the earth according o Revelation 17:16,
57:43 when they discover that the harlot has deceived them,
57:47 the Bible says that they will turn against the harlot
57:49 and they will make her naked and desolate,
57:53 and they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
57:55 That means that they're going to be really mad.
57:59 She will lose the support of the civil powers once again.


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