Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Denise Sanderson
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000103S
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00:00 Stay tuned to meet a woman
00:02 who overcame the throes of drug and alcohol addiction 00:05 and is now on fire for Jesus Christ. 00:08 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:10 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:32 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:35 My guest today is Denise Sanderson, 00:37 community service center director 00:39 for the Seventh-day Adventist community center 00:41 in Phoenix, Arizona. 00:43 Welcome to Urban Report, Denise. 00:45 Thanks, Yvonne. 00:46 Thanks for having me here today. 00:47 Oh, it's great to have you. 00:49 I have heard such great things about your testimony. 00:53 Brian Hamilton, who is our chief financial officer here, 00:58 he is also very, very involved in prison ministry. 01:02 Yes, yes. 01:03 And he was telling me about you 01:05 and I just felt like I had to have you on Urban Report 01:08 so that our viewers could hear your journey. 01:10 Praise God. 01:11 So let's talk a little bit about your journey. 01:13 Tell me about your childhood, what was it like? 01:16 Growing up as a child in my home, there was no love. 01:19 Where were you from? 01:20 I'm from Austin, Texas. Okay. 01:22 So my father was a military man. 01:25 I had four siblings and I was the only girl 01:28 but I grew up in a home where there was a lot of abuse. 01:30 Sexual abuse, verbal abuse and physical abuse 01:34 so by the time that I was seven years old, 01:37 I had taken myself to an extreme of drugs 01:41 at that time which was popping pills, huffing paint. 01:44 Where did you get the pills? 01:47 Basically, my father was in the military, 01:49 we were close to an air force base 01:51 and some of my friends that I had, 01:52 they, their parents were doctors and nurses 01:55 so of course when I went over to my friends' house, 01:57 I would've raid the medicine cabinet 01:59 and just start popping pills just to medicate myself 02:01 because there was a lot of sexual abuse going on. 02:04 I was molested from that time. 02:06 I remember being five, being molested, 02:08 it could have went on earlier than that 02:10 but I remember at the age of five 02:12 my father molesting me so. 02:13 So that's where it actually started the pain... 02:17 Yes. 02:18 ...from the molestation at five? 02:20 Yes. 02:21 And so that you were trying to self medicate, 02:24 trying to just ease that pain. 02:25 Yes. 02:26 And at seven, that has to kind of sink into my head 02:31 because usually, you think of teenagers 02:35 beginning to pop pills 02:36 or, you know, teenagers experimenting with drugs 02:39 but you were seven years old, a baby... 02:42 Yes. 02:43 Popping pills just trying to get over that pain, 02:47 so what happened from seven? 02:49 You were popping pills, 02:50 did anybody know that you were doing this? 02:53 My stepmother at that time, 02:55 recognized there was a behavior change in my life 02:58 but I think because of the abuse 03:01 that took on in our home daily, 03:04 she was probably closed to it because of her dealing with her 03:07 own emotional issues so nobody really knew 03:10 what I was doing except me. 03:12 Did anybody in your household 03:13 know about the abuse besides you and your father? 03:16 No one. Nobody. 03:20 He told me that if told anyone that he would beat me 03:23 and that people would not believe it anyways 03:25 so he put fear in me at a very young age 03:28 not to ever tell anyone so I just did that. 03:31 Did your father abuse alcohol himself or--? 03:34 He was an alcoholic. He was a terrible alcoholic. 03:37 Very physically abusive, would come home 03:39 and he had gotten to the point 03:42 with his strictness in being to the military 03:43 if we didn't have our beds made up 03:46 and the way that he saw fit, 03:47 if he threw the quarter on the bed 03:49 and it didn't bounce, he would rip it off, 03:52 you know, snatch the covers off 03:53 and make us come and do it again. 03:55 I mean, he was just real evil. 03:58 And he would go-- would he go into a rage? 04:00 Yes. 04:01 We would get whipped with many things, 04:03 tension cords, whatever he could reach 04:05 is what all of us felt and my siblings and I. 04:09 Where was your biological mother? 04:11 My biological mother abandoned me 04:13 when I was a baby 04:15 because when my father married her, 04:17 she was 13 years old and he was 23 04:20 so she got pregnant with me at the age of 14 04:23 and had me at the age of 15. 04:25 So he was overseas and the TDY, 04:28 I guess it's what they call it back then, 04:30 and she was doing things when she was only a child 04:34 but CPS had came to take me because of the neglect 04:37 and the abuse of my mother 04:38 and so she more or less gave me up. 04:41 So look at the environment 04:45 out of which you came, your dad was abusive, 04:50 molesting you, physically abusing you, 04:53 sexually abusing you, verbally abusing you, 04:57 and your mom had abandoned you. 05:01 All of this led you into the lifestyle 05:06 that you ended up being... 05:08 Correct. Correct. 05:09 So you started at 7, 05:12 what happened by the time you were 13? 05:14 What were you doing? 05:16 By the time that I was 13 years old, 05:18 I had tried to kill myself, I tried to commit suicide. 05:21 The pain was too much, the drugs and alcohol 05:25 that I were doing at that time just, 05:27 it wasn't enough to take away all the hurt and things 05:30 that were just haunting me daily so. 05:33 Did you have anybody in your life that, 05:38 at school were you able to talk to a counselor, 05:40 I mean, where was your support system at this time? 05:44 I didn't have any and I didn't know 05:46 that I had any, let me just say that. 05:48 I was afraid, I was ashamed, 05:50 I'd blame myself for me being molested 05:53 that maybe I shouldn't have had on the dress 05:55 that day and things like that 05:57 so I just kind of withdrew myself from everyone. 06:01 I withdrew from the world 06:03 and everything just began to come from within 06:06 and I didn't want to share anything on the outside. 06:09 You know, Denise, to know 06:10 that you went through that kind of pain 06:13 and had no one around you and you didn't know the Lord 06:18 so it wasn't as though you could 06:20 or would call upon Him, 06:22 you didn't know Him at that point, correct? 06:24 Or did you? 06:25 Actually, I had went to church. 06:27 I used to go to church every Sunday. 06:29 Okay. 06:30 And I used to hear in church that, 06:31 you know, Jesus delivers and heals and forgives and, 06:36 but because every time I'd come home from church, 06:38 there my father was waiting for me. 06:40 Somehow, the thought of even crying out to Jesus 06:45 didn't seem like there was any use, 06:47 didn't make any use for me to do that. 06:49 Isn't it something that 06:52 when we don't really know like 06:55 we could have a working knowledge 06:57 but not really that intimate relationship with the Lord 07:01 that we don't really know that we can depend upon Him 07:04 and you were 13 so you really just, 07:09 you're just kind of out there feeling so alone. 07:12 Yes. What did you do? 07:15 How did you work through this whole thing? 07:17 Did you leave home? What did you do? 07:19 I ran and left my home when I was 15. 07:21 Okay. 07:22 So I got tired of the sexual abuse 07:24 but when I ran away from home, 07:26 because there were so many things 07:27 that were taking place, 07:28 I kind of went into some wrong roads of life 07:31 when I ran away from home. 07:33 Okay, let's talk about that, what did you do? 07:35 I got connected up with bad people, 07:38 one of the people said, I didn't know, 07:40 he was a gentleman and I'd lived in Austin 07:42 and I hitchhiked to Houston, Texas. 07:45 And when I got there, it was a nice gentleman 07:47 so I thought but I was only 15, you know. 07:49 He took me out to streets and fed me 07:51 and put me up in a hotel for a week 07:53 and I didn't know he was a pimp. 07:55 I had no clue. 07:56 So that lifestyle there was, 08:00 you know, he wanted to put me on the streets but I refused to 08:03 so every time he put me out there, I ran back away. 08:05 He would always find me so, 08:07 I mean, and my life just began to spiral 08:09 in the wrong direction from that time on. 08:12 I think one of the things was just that 08:15 I was just looking for someone to love me. 08:16 Yes, yes, and I think that 08:19 that's what happen so often with our young girls, 08:22 with our-- Young girls and boys 08:24 that run away from home, 08:25 they're looking for someone to love them 08:28 and looking for love in all the wrong places 08:31 so to speak, yeah, right, 08:33 so then you hookup with someone 08:37 who you think has your best interest at heart. 08:40 Yes. 08:41 And then you find out that 08:42 this guy's no different from my father. 08:45 From my father, exactly. 08:47 So you were continuing the cycle at this point? 08:51 Yes. 08:52 Not, not because it's your fault, by any means. 08:56 Correct. 'Cause it wasn't. 08:57 But you-- you were still caught up 09:00 in that same cycle of abuse. 09:03 Yes. 09:05 And you were trying to kill yourself 09:07 before the emptiness that you must have felt, 09:11 the loneliness, tell us a little bit about 09:14 the depth that you reached during that time. 09:19 I had blamed myself and there was so much guilt 09:23 going on inside of me 09:26 and I knew that my mother had abandoned me 09:28 and didn't want me. 09:29 And I knew that I was placed in a family 09:31 where there was no moral values. 09:33 I didn't have anyone to look up to. 09:36 There was lying, cheating, stealing, 09:38 drinking and abuse and everything 09:40 and I had to grow up in that for so many years 09:42 and then when I ran into-- 09:45 'cause not only I tried to kill myself once, I tried twice. 09:48 The first time wasn't successful 09:50 neither was the second time 09:51 but I had felt such worthlessness. 09:56 I didn't feel like I mattered, anything about me mattered 10:00 and that's why I tried to because in my mind's eyes, 10:04 at that time as being young as I was, 10:06 I thought if I did away with myself, 10:08 I wouldn't have to hurt anymore. 10:10 Yeah. 10:11 And that's what goes through 10:13 so many young people's heads that attempt suicide, 10:17 some of whom are successful with it. 10:20 But if they only knew 10:22 that there is a better day coming... 10:23 Yes. 10:25 Tell us how your life turned around. 10:27 Well, I had got pregnant with my daughter, 10:32 when I was 20 years old, I had met a gentleman 10:36 and I had prayed a prayer, 10:39 I said, "Lord, could You give me someone to love? 10:41 Someone who would love me, someone who wouldn't hurt me?" 10:44 And that one of those prayers 10:45 that I just shot up that people do often. 10:49 But lo and behold, I got pregnant and, 10:51 you know, when-- during that time, 10:53 I stopped using drugs and alcohol 10:54 because there was a life growing inside of me 10:56 that meant something to me. 10:58 You know, and so... 11:01 that was the beginning process 11:05 but yeah, there was still a lot of darkness ahead for me, 11:07 after I had my daughter. 11:09 So your prayer was answered in that 11:15 now you had someone to love, 11:17 that you could love unconditionally, 11:20 that wouldn't hurt you, that would just love you back. 11:25 Yes. 11:26 And so that in the sense was an answer to prayer, 11:29 and it's interesting to me that 11:31 during the time of your pregnancy, 11:33 you were able to let go off the drugs, 11:36 let go off the alcohol 11:38 because there was something more important there for you. 11:41 Yes. 11:43 To me, you were filling a void with this-- 11:48 with this baby, you were filling that void 11:52 that you had in your soul 11:54 and so you were able to let go off 11:58 the alcohol and the drugs but then you find out that 12:01 really that void isn't filled with any human relationship. 12:05 Correct. 12:06 What happened after the birth of your daughter, 12:10 what happened in your life? 12:12 I got introduced to crack cocaine. 12:15 Okay, okay. 12:16 I got introduced to that with a friend of mine 12:19 which, today, I know now is not a friend, 12:22 but I got to introduced to crack cocaine 12:23 and I started using recreationally, 12:27 a functioning worker, you know, 12:29 going to work everyday and using it once a month, 12:33 you know, at parties and events and things 12:35 like that but within a few years, 12:37 the lie that I told myself was this, 12:40 "I have this under control" and that was a lie. 12:44 So you went from week-- 12:47 like, once a month to how often? 12:50 Everyday all day. 12:53 That's what I went to within four years, I believe. 12:57 Everyday all day long to where 13:00 that's all I thought about because I had, once again, 13:03 found something to medicate me 13:06 from the hurt and the pain that was still haunting me, 13:08 'cause I still had to face molestation 13:11 and the self worth and no value, you know. 13:16 You ugly, you-- everything that, 13:20 today I know it was the enemy 13:22 but then, I didn't know who it was. 13:24 And I'm so glad you said that because, 13:27 you know, all the time on Urban Report, 13:30 I talk about God's plan for us. 13:33 But just as God has a plan for us, 13:35 the enemy has a plan for us. 13:37 God's plan is to prosper you, to give-- 13:39 and I don't necessarily mean materially. 13:42 But I mean to give you a better life, 13:44 a more abundant life, 13:45 that's what Jesus said He came to do. 13:48 But the enemy's deal is that 13:50 he wants to take you on that downward spiral 13:53 and he'll take his time but he will-- 13:55 he'll have you starting out 13:57 as a recreational crack user once a month, 14:00 but by the end of the deal, 14:02 you are doing it everyday all day. 14:05 Because his plan for you is destruction. 14:09 Yes. 14:10 And God says, you know, choose. 14:12 Yes. Choose. 14:13 Which plan do you want? 14:15 'Cause I have the one that's gonna give you a future 14:17 and a hope and Satan has the one 14:20 that's gonna take you into destruction. 14:22 So you were on that road to destruction 14:28 doing crack everyday all day. 14:33 Tell us if you would briefly like 14:35 what is it about that whole thing 14:39 that draws you in with crack. 14:41 What draws you into it so much 14:44 that it consumes your every thought? 14:47 The pain, hurting, the high 14:52 because once you take the first hit from it, 14:55 you're always chasing 14:56 that kind of particular feeling thereafter 14:59 and that's why people continuously do it 15:02 because they're looking for that first rush 15:05 that they had for the first time. 15:07 And you don't ever find it. 15:08 And it never comes again. You don't ever find it ever. 15:11 Wow, wow. 15:14 So how far did you spiral downward? 15:17 To the point to where it ended up 15:19 getting me incarcerated. 15:21 Okay. 15:22 Giving up my child, abandoning my daughter, 15:29 just... it was horrible 15:31 and I'm reaping some of those effects today 15:33 by the choices that I made, 15:34 you know, being a single mother, 15:37 raising my daughter, trying to do it out of hurt 15:41 and whatever else and you said it earlier, 15:46 it was just the void 15:47 that could not be filled by human, you know. 15:51 So you ended up being incarcerated for how long? 15:54 I was in and out of the jail system for about five years. 15:58 I did a lot of time altogether for five years, in and out. 16:02 What was it like in jail? 16:03 Oh, horrible. It was terrible. 16:07 But I was terrible because when they arrested me, 16:11 I was high and drunk so I went in there with spirits 16:15 that were just as ugly as the other people 16:17 that were in the jails with me 16:18 and then when I moved on to the tents 16:21 and the astray where they had house ladies, 16:23 the women, I mean, it was just horrible. 16:27 It was something that 16:28 I would not ever want to go back and do again. 16:32 Yeah. 16:33 I mean, I've been to jails, prisons, 16:38 you know, for prison ministry. 16:39 Right. 16:40 But never have I seen the cells themselves, 16:43 you know, you go into a room 16:44 and you administer to music or whatever there. 16:48 So I've never seen the actual cells 16:50 except on television or something 16:52 but they, it-- from what I understand, 16:54 it's just such a horrific way to live every day of your life 17:00 in that kind of surroundings, in that kind of environment 17:04 where there's a lot of anger and rage and fighting and... 17:09 just all of that and you're saying that 17:11 that's how you went in, what changed your life? 17:16 That's when Jesus introduced Himself to me. 17:19 It's when I was locked up the final time 17:21 'cause I had been-- 17:22 had pat on the backs prior to that, 17:24 you know, doing couple of months here 17:26 and a few weeks here and there 17:27 and nothing really consistently long 17:30 but I had told my daughter, she was 12 years old 17:33 'cause I had got arrested and I told my daughter, 17:36 I said, "Well, mama's coming home." 17:38 And I told her to come to court, 17:40 you know, and of course, when she came to court 17:42 she heard all of my charges which devastated me 17:44 because I didn't want my daughter to know. 17:46 Some of the things that I'd did 17:48 but when the judge hit the gavel and told me 17:52 that I wasn't going home in no time, 17:54 I was brokenhearted and devastated 17:55 because for real, this time 17:58 I was gonna be separated from my daughter 18:00 but when being incarcerated, I went to church 18:03 'cause they called church in there, 18:04 you know, when you have an opportunity 18:05 to go to church, like of course you know, 18:08 and I went to church and I had my own plans 18:11 to sit in the back row and be disruptive 18:13 and, you know, do the evil demonic things 18:16 that I was practicing, you know. 18:18 But God had another plan for me. 18:20 Come on, come on. 18:21 God had another plan for me. Come on. 18:22 And there were two women there that day 18:24 and they were preaching and when they were sharing 18:27 what they were teaching that day, 18:29 it was like my life story was being exposed to everyone there 18:33 because everything that they had talked about 18:35 is what I had did. 18:37 They were talking about Mary Magdalene 18:39 and the things that she had did and I began weeping. 18:43 And as I began weeping, that's when the process began 18:46 for the Holy Spirit to show me that. 18:48 "This was you but you're gonna be 18:50 something different when I get done." 18:53 How beautiful is that. Yes. 18:55 Really, how beautiful is that 18:57 that God would reach into that prison and say, 19:00 "I've got something better for you, I love you. 19:04 I have something better for you." 19:07 Yes. 19:08 "And I will be your Father." Yes. 19:12 How-- Was it difficult for you to, 19:14 because of where you had been with your father, 19:18 with your earthly father, was it difficult for you 19:21 to accept the love of your Heavenly Father? 19:25 Very difficult and there are times today when I struggle. 19:29 When I read in the Bible the word father, 19:31 I just, it just caused me to crunch, 19:34 you know, and it was a long str-- 19:37 a long haul for me because father 19:39 and the love and the acceptance 19:41 and because when I was a child, 19:43 I would do things to try to make my father happy. 19:46 And I just grew up into that behavior 19:48 so coming into this Christian walk with Jesus, 19:53 I thought the same thing. 19:54 You know, let me do some things 19:56 that will make Jesus happy so that, 19:58 you know, He'll love me. 20:00 Yes. 20:01 So that He'll love me. Yes. 20:02 Wanting to earn his love, 20:04 not knowing that you already had it. 20:07 Didn't have a clue. 20:09 Even being incarcerated and learning about His love, 20:12 that was a long road Jesus had to allow me 20:16 to continue on the journey of, 20:18 "I'm not like your earthly father. 20:20 Something totally different and magnificent," 20:23 which I've accepted today and I love it today. 20:26 Yes, hallelujah, that's such a beautiful thing. 20:30 Yes. Beautiful, beautiful. 20:32 So while you were at that meeting, you heard-- 20:37 the Holy Spirit just worked on you. 20:38 Yes. 20:39 And you became convicted 20:40 and how did you begin the walk from there? 20:45 I had a clergy that came in to speak with me 20:47 and she told me to read constantly 20:49 and so I did and I treasured every word, 20:53 I hid it in my heart, I-- 'cause that's all I had, 20:57 at that time I was separated 20:58 from the one person that I knew loved me. 21:02 So I held on to every word and it began a journey for me 21:06 but it was a journey that once I got released, 21:10 of course, there was challenges out there, you know. 21:12 You know, the Bible says that if you, 21:16 it's about the story about, you know, 21:18 the devil seeking around, you get your house clean and-- 21:20 Oh, yeah. 21:21 He comes back and he finds your house clean, 21:23 he brings back seven sp-- Seven... Yeah. 21:25 Well, that happened to me 21:26 because the clergy forgot to tell me 21:27 before being released, is to read your Bible 21:30 when you get out, and I didn't. 21:33 I took my Bible home with me and I set it up on a bookshelf 21:37 and I just based everything of what I knew 21:39 but I didn't know to continue 21:42 that relationship being on the outside 21:45 so I ended up back into drugs. 21:47 But every time that I was using, 21:49 I heard this voice saying, 21:50 "What are you doing? What are you doing?" 21:53 Because now you belonged to Him. 21:56 Yes. 21:57 And He wasn't gonna let you just go. 22:00 Yes. 22:01 So you kept hearing that little voice saying, 22:03 "What are you doing? What are you doing?" 22:06 And so how did you-- how did He, 22:09 through you, turn it around ultimately? 22:13 My daughter, after my granddaughter was born, 22:17 she had purchased a car 22:19 and she had called me and she said, 22:20 "Mom, should we get a car 22:22 'cause you want to go to church?" 22:23 Well, she was blinded by the love for me 22:25 'cause I was still, you know, just, and I said, 22:28 "No, don't use your money on that" 22:29 'cause I had other plans for her check 22:30 and that was for me to use it. 22:32 But she ended up buying a car anyway 22:33 and I used to take it to work 22:35 and it happened in Phoenix, out in Mesa. 22:38 I would drop her off at work and then I would go out to Mesa 22:40 and get my stuff and go back home. 22:42 But my granddaughter was nine months old 22:44 and I had a miniature Doberman pinscher 22:46 and his name was Snoop Dogg. 22:49 Oh, like the artist. Yes. 22:52 And I has set them in their play areas, 22:55 my grand baby in her play area and my dog 22:58 and I would go in the bathroom where I would do, 23:00 you know, my evil deeds, and I would get ready to use it 23:03 and my granddaughter would be at the door 23:05 crying at the top of her lungs 23:06 and my dog at the door just barking 23:08 and I would open the door up 23:09 and she would have this big old pretty smile, 23:12 she would stop crying and my dog would stop barking 23:15 and I'm like, "What is going on?" 23:17 You know, and so I'd go and do that, 23:18 and I'd set them back on her little play thing 23:20 and him and I'd go back in the bathroom 23:22 and sure enough they were right there at the door 23:25 just screaming at the top of her lungs 23:27 and him just barking as loud as he could. 23:30 And I would open the door up and he would just be, 23:32 you know, smiling and so would she 23:34 and so I stopped that day 23:35 and it went on for three days straight. 23:37 Every day I take my daughter to work 23:39 and every day I would go there and go in that bathroom, 23:41 they would be right there at that door 23:43 being real distracters you know, just-- 23:45 and I'd stop and on the third day, 23:47 I was at the park and I purchased some drugs 23:52 and I heard a voice very audible 23:56 like talking with you today, "You will get high no more." 23:58 And I kind of looked around and I'm like, "What is that?" 24:02 And it became even louder, "You will get high no more." 24:06 And so I looked at the crack in my hand, 24:08 and I kind of looked around 24:11 but I threw it down and walked away from it 24:13 and I've been clean for 16 years now. 24:18 Praise the-- look at that, look at God, 16 years, 24:23 "You will get high no more" and you never did again. 24:27 Never did it again. 24:29 Wow, that's powerful, that is powerful. 24:32 Tell us what you're doing now, what's your ministry now? 24:35 We have a prison ministry in Phoenix 24:38 and I work at the community service center. 24:40 I'm the director there but we do three days a week 24:43 inside the jails, do Bible studies. 24:48 I've just-- I'm filling my life 24:52 with those things that are positive, 24:54 that have to do with Christ, 24:56 that helps me to keep my eyes fixed on Him. 24:58 It's not an act of work... 25:01 anymore, it's an act of love 25:04 because now I know that I'm loved 25:06 and I want other people to know that. 25:08 Doesn't matter how far you've went 25:10 and what you've done, you're loved, too. 25:13 That's right, that's right, that's the bottom line. 25:16 Look into that camera there and tell someone 25:20 that needs to know about Jesus, 25:22 just take one minute and tell them 25:27 that you-- what you went though 25:29 and what God has in store for them 25:30 'cause somebody out there is hurting. 25:33 Talk to that hurting woman that's been abused. 25:36 Yes. 25:38 Yes, for the hurting men 25:41 or the hurting women out there... 25:44 don't listen to the lies that are being 25:46 told to you in your head because they are lies. 25:50 I've listened to it for so many years 25:52 and through those years, 25:53 I've missed the greatest love that our Savior has for us. 25:57 Don't you miss it, it's there for you. 26:01 Take it, embrace it, cry out to Jesus, 26:05 cry out to God, ask Him to help you 26:08 with whatever you're struggling with, 26:10 unforgiveness in your own heart 26:11 for whoever may have hurt you or low self esteem, 26:17 not being worthy because you are worthy. 26:20 I thought that I wasn't worthy 26:21 because I was told that when I was a kid 26:23 that I would never amount to anything 26:26 and I believed that all of my life but today, 26:29 I am somebody and I'm only somebody because of Jesus. 26:33 And you are somebody as well because of Christ. 26:36 He died for you. 26:38 I didn't know that His death meant victory for me. 26:43 His death is victory for you. 26:45 You don't have to stay in sin. 26:48 You don't have to say that I don't have anything else 26:51 or anyone else because you do. 26:53 I told myself, all of my life, I didn't have anybody 26:58 but I always had Jesus and the devil lied to me 27:01 and today if you're listening to that voice, 27:03 he's lying to you. 27:06 Don't listen to the lie anymore, 27:08 grab a hold of the unchanging hand, 27:11 if you have to do it all day like I do sometimes, 27:14 do it all day long because those voices 27:18 will tell you to let go 27:20 but don't ever let go of the unchanging hand 27:23 and He'll take you right through. 27:25 He'll take you through your pain, 27:27 your sorrow and your hurt 27:29 and He'll begin the healing process. 27:32 So look up to Jesus and not to your problems. 27:36 Thank you so much. 27:37 Thank you so much, Denise, for being here. 27:40 Thank you so very much. What a blessing you are. 27:41 May God continue to bless your ministry. 27:45 Don't forget that God has a plan for you. 27:48 Just remember to choose God. 27:51 Well, that's the end of our program for today. 27:53 Thank you so much for tuning in. 27:55 Join us next time 27:56 'cause it just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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