Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Pr. Cory Jackson, Louis Cleare
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000141A
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00:04 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:06 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:30 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:32 My guests today are 00:34 Pastor Cory Jackson and Louis Cleare. 00:37 Welcome to Urban Report, yeah... 00:40 Thank you. 00:41 You know, "Foundation of our Faith" 00:44 is one of my favorite programs because it incorporates 00:49 preaching, from powerful speakers 00:52 and presenters, men of God 00:54 and powerful musical evangelists so it's kind of like 00:58 you get so much from that Program 01:01 and you guys are here and we're going to be doing some 01:05 I know, by the grace of God, amazing programming. 01:09 So Pastor, let's start with you, 01:11 let's talk to you a bit because 01:14 you are the Pastor of Detroit Burns, 01:16 and how long have you been there? 01:18 I've been there for four years and a few months. 01:21 Okay, and was that one of your first assignments 01:24 because you look kind of young. 01:26 Actually that's my third assignment, 01:28 I've been pastoring for 14 years. 01:30 Oh, wow, see, the baby face, you have the baby face, 01:34 All right, all right... It's the diet, it's the diet. 01:35 Is it... all right, I love it, it's that Adventist way of life 01:39 that lifestyle, right? That's right. 01:42 So you've been there and 01:44 what kind of challenges do you find 01:47 in the inner city as a pastor? 01:50 Well, being in the inner city, of course 01:53 the first challenge is the violence, 01:55 we have a lot of blight in Detroit, 01:58 we have a lot of economic issues, 02:00 and so it has quite a bit 02:04 of challenges that you don't see on an everyday basis. 02:07 Hmmm... hmmm... and so, do you feel that 02:11 when you're at a church, do you have to tailor 02:14 your messages to meet the needs 02:18 of that particular segment or do you just kind of 02:21 just kind of go from the Word and... 02:24 how do you do it? 02:26 I think all of it has to be practical in itself 02:28 but I think, you have to be aware 02:29 of the environment that you're in 02:31 because the environment of 02:32 where the church is located and the people that come, 02:35 all the messages are tailored towards those individuals, 02:39 and families and things of that nature. 02:41 Have you always been an Adventist? 02:42 I have not, it was in 1997 when I came to the church. 02:47 How did you, how did you find the Lord? 02:49 Well, He found me, so... 02:51 actually a mentor of mine named Richard Magsme and I 02:54 were working together at a Youth Home, 02:56 and during this time I was studying 02:58 to become a Black Panther and a Black Muslim, 03:01 and so we were having these debates, 03:03 going back and forth about Jesus 03:05 and the things that I was learning 03:07 and he just became a mentor to me, father-figure, 03:10 and eventually he asked if I wanted Bible Studies 03:14 so the Bible Studies initially were to combat his religion 03:18 but instead, it converted me. 03:20 Come on now... 03:21 so that's what happened. 03:23 So you were studying to be 03:25 a Black Panther and a Muslim 03:27 Well, I wanted to be a part of the New Black Panther Party 03:29 but also studying to be a Black Muslim. 03:33 Wow! and so, you took these studies 03:37 actually to... kind of counteract him 03:41 and you began to find Jesus. Correct, 03:46 yes, right, right, exactly. 03:47 And had you ever been exposed 03:49 to Christianity prior to that? 03:51 Well, I don't know what you may mean by exposure. 03:54 In your home. 03:56 No, not really, my mother... I love her to death 03:59 but we really didn't go to church, 04:01 there was a church in our neighborhood, 04:03 and for the poor families, of course, 04:05 they had some programs and free lunch programs 04:08 that we would attend but it wasn't anything regular 04:10 there wasn't any prayer in the house 04:11 or any religion, there was a Bible in the drawer 04:14 but that was its place, but other than that 04:17 no Christian experience. 04:19 Were you raised in a single-parent household? 04:21 Yes, my father left my mother when I was three months old 04:25 and so my mother raised me 04:27 in the heart of Chicago in the inner city 04:28 along with my older brother, James. 04:30 In the heart of Chicago... 04:31 In the heart of Chicago, correct. 04:33 Wow! wow! so, you were surrounded by gangs? 04:37 Gangs, drug dealers, hustlers, pimps, prostitutes, 04:43 single mothers... everybody on my block was a single mother 04:46 so, and single fathers at home, growing up. 04:50 So how did that affect your determination 04:53 as... because you're a father, correct? 04:57 I am. How did that shape 04:58 the father that you are? 05:00 Well, I knew how I felt when my father left so, 05:03 when I had kids I was determined not to be as he was, 05:06 to make my children feel the way I felt growing up 05:10 because there was a piece missing 05:12 and so it really motivated me 05:13 to be a better dad than my father was to me. 05:19 So you studied the Bible, you came to Jesus 05:25 Correct. did you decide from there, 05:27 how did you get into ministry from there? 05:30 That's... you don't have enough tape to go into that. 05:32 We got time, we got some time. 05:33 I was a Probation Officer after I came to the Church 05:38 and a gentleman by the name of Dr. Andre Trubear 05:41 was part of ASI, and there was a school called 05:45 Black Hills School of Evangelism, 05:47 Mission College of Evangelism, 05:48 so he just said, "Cory, why don't you go... " 05:50 because I love talking to people 05:52 to make the long story short, 05:53 I went out there for three months 05:55 came back home and just wanted to do some Bible work 05:59 I wanted to keep my jobs, I had a nice paying job 06:02 and so things just went up from there 06:08 so in a little church named Maranatha had about six members 06:12 and Michigan Conference asked me to come in 06:14 and to be the Bible Worker, they gave me four months 06:18 and after four months, we baptized eight people 06:20 and then the church grew from there 06:22 and a year or two later 06:24 they called me into full-time ministry 06:25 so it's not something I woke up saying I want to do, 06:28 it was truly a calling, the Lord opened every door 06:31 in every church I've been, the Lord has blessed it 06:34 in terms of the population growth of members 06:37 so, I guess the brethren felt I was called. 06:40 Yes, yes, one of the things we talk about 06:44 on this Program a lot is "walking in your divine destiny" 06:48 knowing that where you are is where God has you 06:54 the path that you're on is the path that God has you on 06:59 and to me, there's nothing greater than that. 07:02 There's no greater satisfaction, you know, 07:05 when you're doing what you've been called to do, 07:08 it comes with its challenges, yeah, right, but, 07:12 but when you're doing what you've been called to do, 07:15 what you know... you've been put on the planet to do, 07:17 to me... finding out your purpose 07:20 walking in your divine destiny, 07:21 there's nothing greater than that. 07:23 Well, I totally agree and I believe 07:27 that's how I came to be a... 07:29 I believe this is what I was supposed to do 07:31 I believe wholeheartedly every job I've had 07:33 kind of prepared me for this job 07:35 for the ministry, I don't even call it "work" 07:37 it's ministry for me, 07:39 when I was a Probation Officer, 07:41 it really helped me to be a pastor 07:43 because of the type of people I had to deal with 07:45 and things of that nature and the discipline 07:48 and so, I don't see myself doing anything else 07:51 but this... this for me is the greatest experience 07:55 I love what I do, so, it's really... I love it 07:57 I'm at church six to seven days a week anyway 08:01 so doing programs for the Community 08:03 and things of that nature so, I'm a very active pastor, so... 08:08 See that's critical too because the church isn't just there 08:14 to be there just for Sabbath. That's right. 08:16 You're reaching out into the Community 08:19 putting tentacles out there to draw people in 08:22 to get them involved in church work 08:25 that's wonderful and when... again... 08:28 when you're doing what you've been placed on the planet to do 08:31 it's not work That's right. 08:33 it's just what you love to do. 08:35 Louis, I want to introduce our Viewers to you, 08:38 and we're going to come back to Pastor but 08:42 I want to talk to you a bit about... 08:44 because, we're talking about walking in our divine destiny 08:47 and you are still in school but let's talk about your music 08:51 because you are such a wonderful singer, 08:53 how did you, 08:55 when did you know you could sing? 08:56 Well, I've been singing since I was pretty young 09:03 but I didn't really know that I could actually sing a solo 09:10 or sing as I sing now, surprisingly I've never had any 09:14 training at all but basically what is the common thread 09:17 throughout my tenure from ten years' old to now, 09:23 is that I've been in a lot of choirs 09:26 and getting the exposure through that 09:28 so basically from let's say ten is when I found out 09:33 that I could actually sing but recently like 09:36 15 or so, I found out that I can actually sing a solo 09:40 or sing as a solo artiste. 09:42 So, you started kind of branching out 09:45 into being a soloist, when you were 15 09:47 but you were doing choirs and chorale stuff 09:50 so, you had to kind of go through all the voice changing 09:53 and all of that stuff and then 09:56 what kind of songs did you sing when you were ten, 09:59 what kind of songs did you sing? 10:00 Well, basically, we were in the kids' choir, 10:02 the children's choir at my local church, 10:04 Hillview Seventh-day Adventist church in Bahamas 10:06 and so we sang with tracks and sang at Christmas concerts 10:10 and during Divine Service and Adventist Youth Service 10:14 those types of songs like kids' songs 10:17 similar to the ones that you would find in a normal church 10:21 during children's service, 10:24 so, during that time, 10:26 we were singing those types of songs 10:28 and one day I realized that my voice was getting deeper 10:31 and I went to my Director and I told her, I said, 10:36 "Ma'am, I can't sing with the choir anymore 10:39 since my voice is now deeper and I'm sorry, but I have to leave" 10:43 she was disappointed but we have to move on 10:46 and I had to now figure out a way to continue on singing 10:50 with a lower register. 10:51 And so, who has kind of mentored you 10:57 through the process of doing all this "solo" work 11:01 what mentors have you had? 11:03 Surprisingly none, I must say that 11:07 where I am today, 11:09 I can give glory and honor to God 11:11 for he brought me here, yes, 11:13 but at the same time it actually takes a lot of practice 11:16 that I've been doing over the years, after school, 11:20 when I got home, I would spend an hour or two 11:23 in the bathroom and just rehearse a song 11:25 or do some notes so that I could work on my range 11:29 there are some teachers like, 11:31 that I had at the Bahamas Academy 11:33 in my high school years, Mr. Forbes and Mr. Bain 11:38 but basically those teachers were there to 11:42 help me with the chapel because 11:46 during my 12th senior year, as a senior at Bahamas Academy 11:49 I was one of the main persons 11:51 who would actually give a Special 11:53 during the chapel sessions, during Week of Prayer 11:56 and they had helped me there during that space 11:59 and during that time, but basically, it's more so 12:01 practice and a lot of prayer. 12:04 Hmmm... so, you would come home every day 12:07 and practice for an hour or so? 12:09 Yeah. Now, see that's great discipline 12:11 Hmmm... hmmm... that's great discipline 12:13 just as some kids come home and practice piano 12:17 for an hour, you would come in and practice 12:20 with your voice, would you do scales, 12:23 would you... like... how did you... 12:25 what kind of system did you use? 12:26 All I had was a little Cassio Keyboard, 12:29 that's all I had to work with, I did my scales and 12:33 and going into other choirs like, for instance now, 12:37 now, at The College of Bahamas Choir, 12:39 we actually used sheet music 12:41 so I'd used that sheet music and sing along with that. 12:44 All right, is music 12:48 what you want to do in life, 12:50 I know you're in College and you're studying 12:53 but what do you want to do in life as a career? 12:56 I'm looking at Marine Biology as a career path for me. 12:59 All right. Hmmm... hmmm... 13:01 basically, right now I'm studying 13:02 at the College of The Bahamas 13:04 and Small Island Sustainability, that's going to be 13:09 a degree that focuses on how best we can develop 13:13 a small island nation using more... not acceptable but 13:18 more beneficial resources and what's there 13:21 and at the same time preserving our resources 13:23 and our natural flora and fauna, 13:26 yes, that's where I am right now 13:28 and the next step is to continue on in Marine Biology. 13:32 So, that's going to be your focus 13:34 and what's your intention with your music ministry? 13:38 Oh, my intention with the music industry 13:40 I intend to continue with it, 13:42 I intend to go as far as possible as I can 13:46 right now, I'm looking at how we can best work on a CD 13:51 and basically work on different programs within the 13:56 Bahamas Conference, 13:57 I haven't really looked into that yet 14:00 but I intend to continue on with my music. 14:03 Well, that's wonderful because 14:04 God has certainly given you a gift 14:07 and I'm looking forward to having our 14:09 "Foundation of our Faith" Viewers 14:11 watch and just kind of participate in ministry 14:15 you know, there's one thing, it's one thing to perform 14:21 it's another... to minister 14:23 and when we came over to the Bahamas 14:26 3ABN went over to the Bahamas, 14:29 and that's when I first heard Louis sing and I thought, 14:33 "Wow! we need to have him on 3ABN" 14:36 so, we are so glad that you are with us 14:38 and Pastor, I want to come back to you 14:40 because you have an amazing testimony 14:44 I first watched you on "Making it Work" 14:48 Correct. and I thought, 14:50 "Wow his testimony is so strong" and you were so transparent 14:55 and I think that people that watch... Viewers and Listeners, 14:59 need to understand that the pastor also has a journey 15:05 you're not going through life unscathed, 15:08 you have a journey too, 15:11 would you share a bit of your journey with us? 15:13 Well, you know, since you say that, 15:15 because a lot of people e- mail me, text me after that 15:18 that Show... 15:20 I think sometimes people think that 15:22 a pastor's life is perfect, all he gets up... 15:24 and does his preaching here and there 15:26 but you mentioned earlier in the segment 15:28 that we have challenges too, 15:29 about four years ago, my wife... my ex-wife, 15:32 decided that she was done with this life 15:35 and she walked away from the church, the family, 15:38 and things of that nature, and so, it took me by surprise 15:43 because, she passed me a note and then proceeded to leave, 15:48 and... Passed you a note at church? 15:50 at home, I came home from the church 15:52 we went for a meeting, gave me a letter, 15:54 came upstairs, bags were packed 15:56 and she left the boys and I at the house 16:00 and for a while I thought I was dreaming 16:03 because we didn't fight, we didn't argue. 16:06 So you really didn't see it coming? 16:08 I didn't see it... and you know, 16:10 a lot of people asked me about it, 16:12 I wasn't looking for it, I mean... 16:14 to me we had a good relationship 16:17 the kids, and so, that took me by surprise 16:23 I had to really wake up from that 16:25 and it took me about two years 16:27 it was a dark time, it was a hard time, 16:30 being the pastor of the church I had, 16:32 the size of the church, you know, it was just rough, 16:36 and I was five months into Burns, 16:37 it wasn't that as though I was there for years 16:40 but I had just started 16:41 and continued... the church was on a momentum 16:44 and the church was growing 16:45 and all of a sudden in September of 2011 16:48 it happened, and so, 16:50 I didn't really know how to react to it, 16:52 because it came unexpectedly. 16:55 How did that affect your relationship with the Lord? 16:58 Initially, I had a lot of questions 17:04 and a whole lot of questions 17:07 and trying to figure out, 17:09 "Well, why did you allow this to happen?" 17:12 and I gave Him the resume 17:15 like Hezekiah did 17:16 when he was told that he was going to die, 17:17 and... 17:19 and so it 17:21 it fractured a little bit, 17:23 you know, you don't pray as much, 17:25 you don't study as much, I went through a depression 17:27 and yet, I still had to preach, I had to come to Prayer Meeting 17:31 and do all the things, and smile before the people 17:34 and I cried a lot after every appeal, I was crying 17:37 my sons were... 17:38 How old were your children? 17:40 At the time, Seir was a Senior at Oakwood University, 17:45 Cory Junior was 18, and a Senior at High School 17:49 and Isaiah, at the time, was 11 17:53 and so it was a tough period. 17:56 And she left the children too? 17:59 Yeah, and eventually we shared custody but 18:02 when she initially left, 18:04 the boys were with me, the children were with me, 18:06 and so, that was a rough part of it, and so, it's just... 18:12 it's dark and sometimes as a church 18:15 people don't know how to respond to you, 18:18 they don't know what to say to you, 18:20 and so, you're in this journey seemingly by yourself 18:25 I didn't have a father to go to, as my father left my mother 18:28 so, I had some spiritual dads but they weren't local 18:31 and so you go through this pain 18:35 and I thought about leaving the ministry 18:37 even though I knew this was my calling, 18:39 I tried to enroll in Law School, 18:42 that was my "dream" that I've always had 18:45 and I went to the Orientation 18:48 and was going to take the LSAT Test 18:52 and all this stuff. 18:53 You really gave it some thought. 18:55 I gave it a lot of thought, because I didn't see myself 18:59 credible anymore, 19:01 I mean, what can I tell people, you know, 19:03 what can I say to couples who are going through it, 19:05 and how can I give marriage counseling, 19:07 and so, you know, a lot of things just 19:11 didn't pan out, so, I remember I had 19:14 the LSAT Book on my couch, 19:17 and every time I go towards it to study for it, 19:20 something would take place, or a phone call 19:22 but I could never get to that, I always did a U-Turn. 19:25 Some kind of distraction? 19:27 It was always a distraction every time and... 19:29 and even though I had rented it out from the library 19:31 I always miss the due date and take it back 19:34 I didn't look at it one time. 19:37 You never got into it the book. 19:39 Six months it was sitting on my couch. 19:40 And so, finally, after the Lord and I were wrestling like Jacob, 19:46 I said, "Okay Lord, I'm going to have to trust you even more" 19:51 and I did, and so, it's a "Job experience," 19:56 it's an "Abraham experience," 19:58 it's all the experiences you can think of 20:00 and so... but the Lord has blessed abundantly even more 20:04 since then, and it's only been four years 20:07 and so, it's a rough road so now when I hear pastors 20:10 and families who are going through it 20:12 and I'm kind of the "staying guard" for them 20:14 because I didn't have anybody, 20:16 maybe the Lord allowed it to be that way 20:18 so I can depend on Him even more 20:20 but it was rough on the kids, with the church, 20:23 our family, so... 20:26 Yes, what can someone say to... 20:29 if someone that you know is going through 20:33 that kind of situation, 20:35 what would you have wanted someone to say to you? 20:37 You know, I don't know if there is so much... people can say, 20:41 people can offer prayer, Hmmm... hmmm... 20:42 they can pray for the kids, Hmmm... hmmm... 20:44 you can just keep them company 20:46 you know, I mean, there are a lot of nights 20:48 that I just was alone, depressed, discouraged, crying 20:53 trying to hide it from my kids, 20:55 they're in the same boat and sometimes, 20:57 just take me out to eat, it's just company, you know, 21:00 you don't want to leave too many thoughts 21:02 to a person alone when they're going through 21:04 a rough patch. Hmmm... hmmm... 21:06 and I think sometimes we think 21:07 that we need to say something to people, 21:09 sometimes, people just need somebody to sit... 21:12 I just needed somebody to sit and watch TV with me. 21:14 Hmmm... hmmm... we would say, "kick it with me" 21:16 there's nothing that anyone can really say 21:18 but at least I know you are right there 21:20 and so, for me, I can't speak for anybody else 21:23 but for me, that's what I needed and eventually some people 21:27 eventually started doing that, 21:28 and that is what helped get me out of it, 21:31 there was a day when I never answered the phone, 21:33 I would just show up at church 21:34 not really prepared, the Lord still blessed but 21:38 you just... you start taking on, "I don't care" 21:41 because your whole life is fractured 21:43 and the picture frame is broken, the glass is everywhere, 21:46 and there's really nobody to sweep it up, and so... 21:50 so that was the challenge but when people started 21:53 coming around, and just sticking in with me 21:57 and so the Lord shined and so, 22:00 I'm in a different place now. 22:02 Amen, amen, and do you find that 22:04 after having gone through that 22:07 even though you wouldn't 22:08 ever want anybody to go through anything like that, 22:10 I wouldn't wish it on my enemy. 22:11 right, right, right, that you're stronger 22:14 as a result of it because it forced you 22:17 to depend more on the Lord. 22:19 Yeah, I don't know... people have asked me... 22:22 but I don't know if I'm necessarily stronger 22:24 I think I'm more dependent on Him 22:28 and I'm more cautious, and so... 22:32 Cautious about what? 22:33 Just watching different things, paying attention, 22:37 being more alert, because I don't know 22:42 if you can get stronger the next time it should happen, 22:45 I mean, I hope it won't ever happen again, but... 22:47 I don't know how I can be so strong 22:49 because it's just such a human emotion 22:51 it's like, you can be strong, 22:53 and you know someone's going to die 22:55 but it still breaks you down, Right. 22:58 so I think, I gained a dependency on God 23:01 and not take things for granted 23:02 that's the cautiousness, 23:03 sometimes, we take life for granted 23:05 I never did think that in 2011 I would be divorced 23:08 after so many years married and... 23:11 How long were you married? 23:12 Eighteen years, and so, you take things in perspective 23:18 you appreciate the smaller things 23:21 that maybe you didn't before, 23:23 you take a certain special look at your life 23:26 and things of that nature, it made me look at "Cory" 23:29 not "Pastor Cory" but it made me look at "Cory" 23:31 and some things that I had to change 23:34 differently about myself, and it humbled me, 23:37 to be honest with you, it humbled me a great deal. 23:40 So, that's understandable because 23:43 it's such a horrible experience to go through 23:46 and even what you're telling us, it came from left field 23:51 and you were totally unprepared for it, 23:53 so, it's like, bam! and your world is shattered, 23:56 Yes. just shattered, 23:58 we had just celebrated our anniversary a month before 24:01 and then, a month to the day almost... it was over. 24:05 Man! So I can smile about it now 24:08 before, I just, I couldn't... but, 24:11 you know, this older preacher taught me 24:14 the first two words in divorce is "die" 24:17 and everything around you is a living death 24:19 even though it sounds like an oxymoron but 24:21 God shows you things and He didn't give up on me 24:26 even though I was ready to give up 24:27 or my purpose... my calling... 24:28 and He just didn't let me go to be the lawyer 24:32 I thought I was going to be, so He kept me in 24:34 in this part of the vineyard 24:36 and so He's taken me places from there 24:39 as a result of this thing. 24:40 Praise the Lord, 24:42 so where do you see your ministry going 24:45 what are you... I know you're at Burns and 24:48 and you seem to love your church 24:50 I do. the church loves you, 24:51 are you expanding your ministry there 24:56 to do a lot of 24:58 divorce and marriage and re-marriage kind of counseling, 25:02 where has this brought your ministry? 25:05 Well, I think what it has done for me is 25:08 try to make Christianity 25:10 practical I think sometimes it's so lofty, 25:13 people don't think they can reach the standard of it 25:15 Hmmm... hmmm... and so, I make it very practical 25:17 in real-life experiences and that's one of the reasons 25:21 why the church is open as much as it is, 25:22 so that people who have real issues and real problems, 25:26 come to church, for example, 25:28 an alcoholic... he needs Alcoholic Anonymous 25:30 and it's open seven days a week 25:32 because we're so addicted to sin I keep the church open 25:36 so that, you know, people can come and learn 25:40 how to continue to overcome 25:41 and so we do a lot of Community things 25:43 in the neighborhood, that's not just locally 25:45 to just one issue but it's very broad-based 25:48 and so we hit every area whether it's at-risk youth 25:53 whether it's family, whether it's economics 25:56 you name it, you know we try to hit it 25:58 so that it's a buffet type of practical experience 26:04 I love it, so it's wherever the need is 26:07 That's right. 26:08 you meet the need just like Jesus did. 26:10 That's right, that's what we're called to do so 26:12 we don't specialize in one area, 26:15 we hit everything. 26:16 That's awesome 26:17 and now, we just have about a minute left 26:19 tell us, and I want to hear from Louis too, 26:22 what are the sermons going to be in your series on FOOF, 26:27 "Foundation of Our Faith?" 26:28 Well, I'm dealing with character, 26:29 I'm dealing with character transformation 26:31 and the power of it, 26:34 I think we don't talk enough about 26:36 our characters being transformed 26:38 Ellen White says, "When the character of Christ 26:41 has been perfectly reproduced in His people, 26:43 then He will come to reclaim them as His own" 26:46 so that's what I focused on, so... you go from rags to riches 26:49 giving it one more shot, you didn't know that was in you, 26:52 and going toe-to-toe with God. 26:54 I love it, four powerful sermons I love it. 26:57 What are the songs you're going to do, Louis? 27:00 Well, the songs I'm going to do, I'm going to do: 27:02 "What a Friend we have in Jesus," 27:04 "If He carried the weight of the world, He will carry you. " 27:08 And then, "He Hideth My Soul in the Cleft of the Rock" 27:11 and then, "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing. " 27:14 Oh, praise the Lord, 27:15 this is so exciting to me because 27:18 whenever we have Foundation of our Faith, 27:21 I love to talk to our Speaker, our Musical Evangelist, 27:24 and just kind of find out a bit about their journey 27:28 and I thank you so much for sharing 27:30 your journey with us today. 27:33 Thanks for having me. Thank you. 27:34 Do you have, quickly, have one thought for someone 27:40 that's going through a really bad time, 27:42 take ten seconds and give them a thought. 27:45 In the book, "Ministry of Healing" 27:47 we're told that, "God has a thousand ways 27:49 to work with my one problem. " 27:52 See, he's there just like that, 27:54 praise the Lord, in season and out. 27:56 Thank you so much for joining us. 27:59 Join us next time because, you know what? 28:01 It just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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