Urban Report

Dr Thomas Jackson, Testimony of Healing

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Jason Bradley (Host), Dr. Thomas, Dr. Laverne Jackson

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00:01 Stay tuned to meet a modern day Lazarus
00:02 and his praying wife.
00:04 My name is Yvonne Lewis.
00:05 And I'm Jason Bradley,
00:07 and you're watching Urban Report.
00:31 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report.
00:33 Our guests today are Doctors Thomas, and Laverne Jackson,
00:37 Director and Associate Director respectively
00:40 of M.E.E.T Ministry.
00:41 Welcome to Urban Report, Doctors Jackson.
00:45 Thank you, Jason.
00:46 Thank you dear. Good to be here.
00:49 I got my co-host Jason here, yeah.
00:52 And I'm so glad he's here, so glad you all are here.
00:56 Because we had the privilege of working together
01:00 on from sickness to health,
01:02 which is another program
01:03 that's on the Dare to Dream network.
01:05 And during that time
01:07 you were talking about M.E.E.T Ministry
01:09 and all the...
01:10 your background and all that
01:12 and all that God had done with M.E.E.T ministry,
01:14 but so much has happened since then
01:17 and I had to bring you on to Urban Report
01:20 to talk about what's happened to you since then.
01:24 So let's start there
01:25 and then we'll work our way back to your beginnings
01:28 but what happened when you were in London?
01:31 Well, Yvonne, time has shrunk,
01:34 it's been a year July 17, 2015
01:39 we were scheduled to be in Nigeria
01:41 on a medical mission training school.
01:43 And God sees all things so that was cancer,
01:47 council excuse me and we were invited to go
01:50 to London for a two week seminar.
01:52 So went there we board the plane that Friday morning,
01:57 we landed in London, England that Friday afternoon.
02:01 And business as usual we fly all the time.
02:05 Dispatch, get settle in, fellowship with the people
02:09 that we're going to spend the next two weeks with meals.
02:13 My wife take a little walk at the meal,
02:15 come back, sun is setting, prayer, take a shower
02:21 and Friday evening I lied out.
02:24 And my wife says, she heard a grunt from me
02:28 and she can push me a little bit and wake me up,
02:33 and I was there lying there on my back
02:36 with my eyes wide open and no breath in my body.
02:41 So she appeared blank called downstairs,
02:45 we're doing medical missionary training
02:47 in emergency situation like that,
02:49 soon a person might be having a little cardio problem
02:52 get a little cayenne and pepper,
02:54 put on the tongue, but no response.
02:58 No response and she can feel you in that part,
03:03 I didn't wake up no more till seven days later.
03:08 So those seven days, the story goes in my wife hand.
03:13 Tell us what...
03:14 tell us what happened?
03:17 As he got right in, got back into bed
03:20 and I heard this noise
03:21 and I asked the individual to get to,
03:25 get the cayenne and then when they brought
03:28 the cayenne to me and I put it in his mouth.
03:31 I noticed it wasn't going in,
03:33 so I knew then that we needed some
03:36 conventional methods here
03:38 because we couldn't so she started to do CPR,
03:42 but she was kind of a little on the small size
03:45 so she was not actually working real good.
03:48 So we called the paramedics and there was one come.
03:53 Then after that, there was another,
03:55 then there was actually there wind up
03:57 three or four cars there.
03:59 How long did it take for them to come?
04:01 They came, well, you know when you have in a crisis
04:04 you don't time is insignificant.
04:07 So my...
04:08 My times in laps that I was oxygen deprive for my brain
04:13 for 30 minutes.
04:14 But still not in that 30 minutes
04:16 they had to get there,
04:17 plus they had to perform a CPR
04:20 in order to get his brain back functioning
04:25 and then get him to the hospital and...
04:27 He wasn't, you took his pulse could you find the pulse?
04:30 Couldn't find the pulse, he wasn't breathing?
04:32 He was not breathing at all, totally no breath at all.
04:38 And so of course,
04:41 I started praying
04:42 and the other individuals started praying
04:43 but when I got there they of course
04:45 put me out of the room
04:47 and then we were in a small area
04:50 so there was a upstairs, we were really upstairs
04:53 so they had to get someone with a longer cart to be a...
04:56 Of 6'6''.
04:58 Right and they had the several to lift him
05:02 and to bring him down the steps to the ambulance.
05:07 And the hospital, there were two hospitals,
05:10 there was one actually
05:12 within a few blocks from where we were,
05:16 but they made a decision to take him to King's Hospital
05:20 which was actually about 45 minutes away,
05:24 but they got him there very quick, quickly.
05:28 So there was no breathing.
05:32 Did they say to you, he was dead?
05:34 No, they did not.
05:36 They didn't want me to know anything
05:39 so they just told me that I had to stay out of the room
05:42 and they didn't want to give me any information
05:45 and then they told me
05:47 they were going to take him to the...
05:49 they said nearest hospital,
05:52 but by the time they got him in that ambulance.
05:54 They had breath
05:57 because they had put some oxygen on him.
05:59 So they did have some sort in that lapses,
06:02 it was about 30 minutes
06:04 before they could get him to breathe in
06:07 and then when once they got him to the hospital
06:09 they and I followed them in another car,
06:13 and they indicated that
06:17 they didn't know what was going on.
06:19 They had a cardiologist come to me
06:21 and tell me that he didn't have a heart attack
06:25 and they said, he didn't have a stroke.
06:27 So they said, we're not sure
06:29 but they wanted to do some kind of special tests
06:33 and the doctor said to me, "We don't need to do that
06:35 because he didn't have a heart attack
06:37 and he didn't have a stroke."
06:38 We don't know what's happening
06:40 but he said, "He's a very sick man."
06:45 My husband has never been sick,
06:47 so here all of a sudden in a matter of minutes
06:50 he's going to be totally dependent
06:53 and that once they got him into ICU,
06:57 they had him hooked up
06:58 to every type of apparatus you get,
07:02 tubes were everywhere
07:04 and he laid there like he was just sleeping.
07:08 He didn't look sick or nothing
07:11 but the doctors say, "He's very sick"
07:13 and so what they did is they induced a coma
07:17 because they were afraid that
07:19 what would happen is his brain may swell
07:23 so they put him in a coma and then they told me that
07:26 we don't know whether he would come out.
07:29 We don't know
07:33 if he would be a vegetable.
07:37 So, but they had to do what they had to do.
07:41 How...
07:43 You guys are in natural medicine.
07:47 So this whole thing had to be so,
07:52 just such a shift for you
07:56 because he was not sick prior to this,
07:58 everything was going fine.
08:01 And then all of a sudden
08:02 he's caught up into that whole system
08:04 of all the meds and all the interventions
08:08 which we're not saying that they're never useful
08:11 but obviously they are,
08:13 but it's just a shift
08:15 from that total natural into the total allopathic
08:19 and it had to be just, it's so traumatic for you.
08:24 It was
08:26 It was so sudden and just so traumatic.
08:27 And the doctor said that you're going to be dependent.
08:31 Well, as they share with my wife
08:34 and she go through this that they didn't see
08:36 no way I was gonna live anyway
08:38 and if I did live I would be a vegetable,
08:41 couldn't talk, couldn't walk.
08:43 And so the time was up so he was trying to convince,
08:47 you know we go into the pro help,
08:48 and as Yvonne says that
08:52 as things are beyond our control
08:54 so far as the intervention.
08:56 You know it was seven days when I woke up,
09:00 holding my wife hand.
09:02 And I woke up not looking around,
09:05 not questioning what happened to me.
09:08 None, that was not even on the mind.
09:11 I woke up praying for the people in that place.
09:16 Now remember, I'm coming out of,
09:18 out of nowhere of asleep.
09:22 There were three people in that,
09:24 in that city country London
09:27 that died from this situation,
09:32 a cricket player, a soccer player
09:36 and a gentleman died
09:38 one day before his wedding, Methodist.
09:43 and so when I woke up I woke up praying.
09:47 I did not wake up questioning what happened
09:50 and then I wake up and you know I'm,
09:52 I'm into health and I've been doing this
09:53 for these many years.
09:56 That never crossed my mind and...
10:00 But how were you aware of anything around you.
10:04 Yeah.
10:06 And that's where the journey really began.
10:08 Like I said, when I woke up
10:11 and you were over there.
10:14 When I woke up, I woke up,
10:18 Yvonne, in a praying mode.
10:21 Now there's only one source
10:24 that could come from God had to download that into me,
10:30 I didn't wake up in a panic,
10:32 I didn't wake up with remorse.
10:34 I didn't wake up questioning.
10:36 I wake up, I woke up praying not for myself,
10:40 that's another not for myself
10:43 and I could not talk, I could not walk.
10:47 As my wife, bless her heart,
10:51 her seven days the reports have kept coming
10:55 because you know time is running out for them.
10:59 So it's nothing else they can do,
11:01 you know, they get their wiring,
11:04 if I wasn't going to wake up out of the induce
11:07 but see 30 minutes of oxygen deprivation to the brain.
11:13 We know three to five minutes
11:15 is irreparable brain damage.
11:17 Brain damage. Brain damage.
11:19 Irreparable. Yes, yes.
11:21 So...
11:22 But let me go back for one second,
11:24 because it dawned on me,
11:27 what when Dr. Laverne heard your grunt
11:31 just before that what happened to you?
11:33 Just before that,
11:35 well Yvonne, as usual, that's what I asked my wife.
11:38 He got up from the bed and went to the bathroom
11:43 came back from the bathroom,
11:45 got into bed and then there was this grunt.
11:48 Now normally I'm told
11:49 when he's there I'm totally sleep.
11:52 You know I'm, I'm not aware but,
11:55 I believe and feel that it was the Holy Spirit's
11:58 unctioning to hear him at that moment
12:03 because as soon as I heard it,
12:05 I said, that doesn't sound right.
12:07 And so I pushed him and I called to him
12:10 and then he wouldn't answer,
12:12 it was total dark in the room
12:13 because there was no light,
12:14 so I got up to turn the light on
12:17 and then that's when I saw that his eyes was open
12:21 and he wasn't breathing at all.
12:23 And so that's when I started to,
12:25 to I was praying all along because I couldn't,
12:29 to me it looked like it was a heart attack.
12:30 Right.
12:32 You know that's what it looked like.
12:33 But I could not tell from there.
12:35 That's why we thought well
12:36 cayenne pepper would be the best
12:39 because it would be a, you know, helps to...
12:40 Helps to dilute it.
12:42 Yeah, and it would help there.
12:44 I didn't question, once I saw that
12:48 what we were doing was not effective.
12:51 I didn't question as to you know,
12:53 oh, should we go to the doctor?
12:56 Or what are people going to think?
12:58 I didn't question that.
13:00 I knew that I needed some intervention
13:02 and I knew that I would be able to have that...
13:06 This way and so that's what you know that's the way.
13:09 And look at how good God is because you walked in here fine
13:12 and you got a firm hand shake, you're walking fine,
13:17 you have all your faculties...
13:18 Oh, brother. I mean, God is amazing.
13:21 Yes.
13:22 More than amazing, Jason, more and...
13:24 He is miraculous really.
13:26 So you woke up after those seven days...
13:29 That's right on the Sabbath.
13:31 Oh, come on now.
13:32 Holding my wife... Yes.
13:33 Come on now, oh...
13:35 Blessed day, yes.
13:37 I woke up and my mind,
13:41 looked at her as I smiled
13:44 and I just thought I mean prayer,
13:46 folks, mourning, groaning,
13:49 and after that
13:52 then God began to communicate.
13:55 I say communicate.
13:57 Satan communicates too
13:58 but God communicates through his word.
13:59 Oh, yeah.
14:01 And that's when God began to give me some clarity.
14:05 Even up until that point,
14:08 I still did not question what happened to me.
14:14 What took place and I like to say this,
14:16 I know our time will run out but I will,
14:18 I'm humbled for the fact you know people folks,
14:23 people at 3ABN but the prayers...
14:26 That went up.
14:27 That went around the world...
14:29 That's right.
14:31 You're not conscious of that fact as you travel,
14:35 I've been in this work the day one,
14:38 I was called into this ministry as of 40 years.
14:43 I've been into this work 40 years,
14:45 and God said,
14:47 "You cast your bread upon many waters is your return,"
14:50 as my wife relayed a story
14:52 here we are in a foreign country.
14:54 No money etcetera, etcetera, you know, I never forget.
14:58 And that's the other thing, you're in a foreign country.
15:01 Different currency. Yes, indeed.
15:04 Not around your family.
15:06 It bring a lot of dynamics into place,
15:07 a lot of dynamics and for those seven days
15:10 you know I'm resting.
15:11 Jason, I'm resting, I don't know what's going on.
15:14 So the battle with my wife and a Lord,
15:17 I'm not even conscious of what's going on
15:20 but she can tell you, the Lord provide,
15:24 the conference presidents, people came to my bedside.
15:28 I've been to before.
15:30 Prayers go on from people
15:31 who don't know me through other people family.
15:35 Our daughter flew over there.
15:38 Spiritual son, pastor, he flew over there,
15:41 so that was very humbling.
15:44 People come up and they were praying specific
15:47 not just general, you know,
15:48 they are praying specific prayers
15:52 and so when I did wake up
15:54 when the Lord touched me and woke me up.
15:58 And he began to bring four...
16:02 three precious texts
16:05 that were all for me were in a word of God
16:07 three precious texts.
16:09 Like I said, I've been in this work
16:11 for 40 years, in a prefaces,
16:12 I've been in his work for 40 years,
16:14 Yvonne and Jason, my wife and I,
16:16 we from Chicago to Alabama.
16:20 I would say to a lot of us as we into ministry
16:23 there's a lot of sacrifice one would say
16:27 and time would not permit all that would happen.
16:30 But I would assume that I had really given
16:35 all to the Lord 180 percent,
16:40 my wife knows and those with me.
16:44 I've seen people in the ministry.
16:48 I've seen people with AIDS,
16:50 I worked with full blown AIDS with viral load below 25.
16:55 I've seen God snatched him
16:58 from the paws of death, cancer reversed.
17:01 I've had people die in my arms.
17:04 I've been in the jungles of Africa and Papa New Guinea.
17:07 I've been on every continent
17:09 except for South Pole and North Pole,
17:11 every state in United States,
17:13 and I just assume
17:16 I'm saying this for a reason
17:18 and I pray that it resonate with those who listen this.
17:22 I assume that God had all of me.
17:29 I never look back even in troublous time,
17:31 my wife can tell you.
17:33 Troublous time, agonized time
17:36 with associates and churches, etcetera.
17:39 And as I lay there gave me Proverbs Chapter 4,
17:43 very familiar text verse 20 to 23
17:47 and 23 says what,
17:48 "Keep thy heart with all diligence,
17:51 For out of it comes the issues of life."
17:54 That was the first one.
17:56 The second was Jeremiah 17:9,
18:00 "The heart is deceitful, desperately wicked,
18:03 who can know it?"
18:04 Then he turned me over this is God,
18:06 I'm lying there,
18:08 as he woke me up, then he download to me
18:11 Ezekiel 36, he started at verse 21.
18:13 But you know verse 24, he said,
18:16 "I'm gonna take that stony heart
18:17 and give you a heart of flesh."
18:20 Now these scriptures all dealt with the heart,
18:23 you know, and it's my heart.
18:26 And he began to speak, reach in and he said,
18:29 "I'm not going to fix your heart,
18:32 I'm not going to repair your heart."
18:34 that's what he said to me, he said,
18:36 "I'm gonna give you a new heart.
18:38 And these words, I'm gonna give you a heart
18:40 with the capacity to hold my Spirit."
18:44 I'm lying there, these words,
18:48 the final words he said to me,
18:51 "Tuesday resonated."
18:53 He said, "Surrender."
18:58 Did you hear what I'm just saying?
18:59 I've been in this work 40 years.
19:01 Yes, yes.
19:03 I have moved forward in his work.
19:06 My wife can tell you,
19:07 we've been married for 44 years.
19:08 Amen.
19:10 I never deviated in the areas of my health.
19:15 Yes, there have been troubles, my brothers etcetera.
19:19 Never once give up, never once even doubt it.
19:23 Never thought that you weren't surrendered?
19:26 That is the key. Yes.
19:28 That is very important
19:30 and this, what I see throughout God's church in ministries,
19:34 those of us in responsible position as leaders.
19:40 We have seen the tokens of God blessing
19:43 and when that came to me
19:45 and reflect on Jeremiah 17,
19:48 "The heart is deceitful, desperately wicked."
19:52 Yvonne, Jason, we were out doing good things.
19:57 I mean good things
19:59 not evil things.
20:01 I was not conniving, slipshod,
20:07 straight up the board, good things,
20:11 and then he sprinkled
20:16 something else on the plate.
20:19 I told you I've seen AIDS reverse,
20:21 I've seen cancer my 40 years,
20:22 I've been in the jungles of Africa etc, etc.
20:25 He said, "Son,
20:26 when are you going to come to me."
20:28 I said, "Lord, have we not cast out demons in your name."
20:33 then he would say,
20:35 "I knew not you, workers of inequity."
20:37 Now listen to me,
20:39 I'm not our here chasing women,
20:43 I'm not out here drinking, I'm not out here
20:46 and I just lie there,
20:47 I couldn't move
20:49 God had me in a place where he wanted me.
20:51 Did you hear me, Jason?
20:52 Yeah, you're full of tension.
20:54 Yes.
20:56 I'm not a person lost for words.
21:01 I grew up that way leadership position.
21:04 Two things God revealed to me in there.
21:08 Number one, I like to fix people lives.
21:13 I've been like that,
21:14 we come out of the ghettos of Chicago.
21:17 I passion with the inner city youth.
21:19 I like to fix people lives.
21:22 I've always been in a leadership position
21:25 from elementary school through junior high to high school,
21:30 even to college.
21:33 And God said, just sprinkle he said,
21:36 "Even though you've given me 99.99 percent
21:42 that 1.1 percent are you still too much."
21:51 He says, "Either all or not son"
21:55 that's what he told me.
21:57 And the rest of the story
21:58 I will talk later how I began to dawn those.
22:01 And I discover, Yvonne,
22:04 that though,
22:07 I know going places,
22:10 I never sought to exalt myself you know.
22:13 I never imposed myself, when people say,
22:15 will you invite me?
22:16 40 years, I never invited myself to go to places.
22:21 So I'm just, you know, take an invitatory.
22:24 God said, "Surrender" and I realize.
22:29 Yeah, I'd like to put my hands on the wheel.
22:33 I like to direct,
22:36 but thinking it's a good thing
22:38 because it is for a cause
22:41 and then he gave me a simple formula three P's,
22:45 three P's a simple formula to make it plain to me.
22:50 Many Christians especially this movement
22:54 we confuse our part in God's part,
22:59 we mix them up.
23:01 Would you listen to me, we do,
23:04 we still living in Bible days.
23:08 My situation, it might not have been me
23:11 but we can expect God do this.
23:14 But he gave me a simple formula
23:16 I just did a four part series last month,
23:19 a DVD on this,
23:21 because he took me to John 15.
23:23 They are my friend once I get John 15,
23:25 then David, Pastor Dave was on your show
23:29 where he have marriage-- he's one of our moderators,
23:33 then he would share things they've been learning,
23:35 John 15, God was download in John 15,
23:38 the vine and the branch.
23:40 But he gave me a simple formula
23:41 three P's three P's to help me
23:45 to gain clarity on my part in this work of salvation.
23:52 The first P, the plan, the plan, P-L-A-N.
23:55 The second P, the power.
23:58 The third P, the person.
24:00 The plan, the power, and the person.
24:02 Okay now break each one down.
24:04 I will break it down.
24:06 Now add all those three P's it would define
24:09 what is God exclusive role in the plan of salvation
24:15 and what my role is, so won't be no confusion.
24:18 You understand what I'm saying.
24:20 I want to be plain,
24:21 I want your audience to understand what I'm saying.
24:22 Now God by right he owns everything,
24:27 but in this overall plan of salvation,
24:30 He give us a exclusive role
24:34 that He would not impose Himself.
24:37 You're getting what I'm saying.
24:39 So out of those three P's,
24:41 let me just throw it at you and Jason for a while.
24:44 Out of those three P's which of those P's one or two,
24:49 all of them belongs exclusive to God
24:54 in him working out the salvation for us,
24:56 what do you think? Definitely, the power.
24:58 All right.
24:59 We all agree with that.
25:00 Go ahead, any other one?
25:02 I'll say, all of them belong...
25:03 Yeah.
25:05 I phrase it, paraphrase,
25:08 I preface that exclusive.
25:10 Now remember I said that, "All of belong to God."
25:13 He's sovereign.
25:14 But exclusive that is just his part
25:19 and we have nothing to do with it.
25:21 You getting what I'm saying.
25:22 We have nothing to do with his part at all.
25:26 The power and the plan,
25:29 those two P's belong exclusive to God
25:33 and that's where not just me,
25:37 but as I travel and as I look back
25:38 on my 40 years of working with folks
25:41 that is a key problem.
25:42 We've been in this world,
25:44 this movement longer than
25:46 God wants us to be in this movement.
25:50 In this movement if you understand
25:51 what I'm saying longer
25:53 in the fourth generation since 1844.
25:56 And the fact is that God look at the world today.
26:00 You know you're share,
26:02 the calamities, the more decadence,
26:05 the crime, climatic, we go on and on,
26:08 when I start out
26:09 I'm in a whole new generation here.
26:11 So I learn so God has an exclusive plan for us,
26:15 that plan incorporates every aspect of our lives.
26:21 You know, okay as before we came on the show here,
26:24 you know plan.
26:25 Plan for marriage, plan for occupation,
26:28 plan for education, finances, ministry,
26:32 that is exclusive God's plan.
26:35 He has it.
26:36 He describes it in His Word and inspiration.
26:40 We don't have to go to God with your plan.
26:45 Ask him to endorse your plan.
26:48 That's what I did for 40 years.
26:50 In allude to fact it was to help further his work.
26:54 That's what so good about it,
26:56 "Hey this is God's work."
26:57 I'm asking God to bless this plan
27:00 because it's going to extend his work.
27:02 You get what I'm saying. I do.
27:03 That is the deception on our part.
27:06 He has the power, the power not only the power
27:11 for grace to me he executes plan
27:13 but that power embrace the resources
27:16 to carry his plan.
27:17 I remember you know how does,
27:19 how does ministry of 3ABN start,
27:20 but the point is like ministry
27:22 the resources, plan, power that's exclusive.
27:27 This what God is downloading to me
27:30 to move me to another level,
27:32 the person is the third P.
27:34 Now what's the role of that person.
27:36 The person willing, willing.
27:40 Now remember God is not going to make
27:41 going to force his will,
27:43 willing to submit and commit to his plan
27:48 and to be recipient of his power
27:51 to carry out His will.
27:55 So the person's job is,
27:58 is actually submission
28:01 and yielding the will to God,
28:05 is that what you're saying?
28:06 That's right, John 15 bring this up
28:08 perfectly clear to me,
28:10 and we don't have time but you read a book with clarity.
28:15 When I came back home
28:16 and I picked a book Mount of Blessings.
28:20 It says, "For me your truths will burst
28:24 on the scene like bright light."
28:25 For me your truth,
28:27 so what we're talking about is nothing new light.
28:29 It's not, God is not going to give us new,
28:31 it's there,
28:33 it says that it burst forth on the scene
28:35 were like a burst of light and with greater clarity.
28:40 So in this experience greater clarity came to me.
28:46 Look at that and look at that
28:48 after 30 minutes of oxygen deprivation,
28:52 God gave you greater clarity.
28:56 Greater clarity.
28:58 Of his truths and His Word.
29:00 That's right. And his plan.
29:01 That's right. Amen.
29:03 That's, that is key, his plan, his power...
29:06 His power and all he need is the person
29:09 and the fact that, Yvonne, for 40 years
29:11 and God gave us a sprinkle.
29:12 You know M.E.E.T ministry only when I started off
29:17 we started off, with elementary school.
29:19 Tell us about M.E.E.T?
29:21 Well, M.E.E.T Ministry is the acronym M.E.E.T
29:25 Amos 4:12, "Prepare to meet your God."
29:29 In that acronym stands for
29:32 Missionary, Education and Evangelistic Training
29:37 combining the gospel with the help.
29:40 We found out that Christ method alone
29:44 were true success to ministry.
29:46 You cannot separate the physical, the spiritual,
29:50 nor the mental.
29:53 So M.E.E.T Ministry is multifaceted,
29:55 we operate a Gospel Medical Mission Training School
29:59 there on the campus.
30:00 It's out in western Tennessee 30 acres land small.
30:03 We have a lifestyle center, been going for 20 years,
30:06 where people come from all
30:08 with all kinds of sickness and etc.
30:10 We have a smart gardening program
30:14 which will become an industry I call it smart gardening
30:16 because we free, we free
30:20 in a canvassing program.
30:24 We publish, we publish books,
30:28 have books and the fact is that
30:30 strong evangelistic outreach that we do.
30:34 You have a website and... Website.
30:36 And now folks to your website. Right.
30:38 It's www...
30:40 MeetMinistry.org.
30:43 MeetMinistry.org
30:45 And it's up on the screen. Yes, upon yes.
30:47 We'll be able to go there.
30:48 So we've been doing that,
30:49 the ministry been existing for 28 years prior to that,
30:53 we were conducting, we ran a health food store.
30:56 I've been probably rephrase a self supporting work,
31:00 it's on television.
31:02 I just show up on the scene,
31:04 so the ministry had been established for 20 years
31:07 and that's remarkable in itself,
31:10 God has kept it.
31:12 You know small ministry,
31:13 we got about 18 full time worker there.
31:17 God call my wife and I into the ministry
31:19 and I've read inspired writings on self supporting.
31:25 Wonderful information on,
31:27 what the education work should look like,
31:30 and my professional background is a teacher
31:34 and so God just took that
31:35 and put it in a different framework.
31:38 So that's how we end up.
31:40 And that's what we're doing,
31:41 and it's been going on
31:43 and this experience July 17, 2015,
31:49 has impacted our lives more than the 40 years
31:53 that I've been in this work.
31:55 I believe it.
31:56 The reason that that.
31:57 Yes, I love to see people get well.
32:00 But I found out a ministry like our was
32:04 that we can become dispensers of information
32:08 but not stainable.
32:10 Do you understand what I'm saying, Jason?
32:12 People in ministry need to be ministered to as well.
32:14 Amen, amen.
32:16 You're teaching and preaching everybody else,
32:18 but you have to take time too.
32:20 And you're so clear that and this is why I'm
32:23 and that's to me is very, very key, Jason,
32:28 that we think we are like islands,
32:31 every man to his own tent.
32:34 You see the human body gives us a clear understanding
32:38 of how the body works synergistically,
32:42 one sail but does not stand independent of other sails.
32:48 You getting what I'm saying.
32:49 And they're very supportive.
32:51 And now, here I am, you know,
32:54 I'm at the what you call
32:56 the old age of the youth,
33:00 you know when you reach 40.
33:02 Now your age is youth, when you reach my age,
33:04 you old age of the youth, so anyway.
33:08 So I need to encourage men working on a,
33:13 you know, a curriculum called Biblical truth,
33:16 Biblical leadership in my 40 years what it takes.
33:19 There's a difference between leadership and management.
33:23 Leader need to know what management
33:25 but leadership goes beyond managing,
33:28 it's very important.
33:29 But when God woke me up with that experience
33:31 and as I began to delve into John 15,
33:36 I look back, I said, I've read this 100 of times.
33:39 John is one of my favorite books
33:42 but when I begin to read that verse, those verses.
33:45 Then I got down to verse 5 Jesus said,
33:49 "I'm the vine and you are the branch."
33:52 Then this what hit me,
33:54 without me you can do nothing.
33:59 Have you read that? Oh, yeah.
34:01 Have you read that? Yes.
34:02 Okay, but I don't know what goes on your head,
34:04 but I know as I travel and inner me go now.
34:07 I said, "What does that nothing means?"
34:11 Nothing?
34:12 Nothing means nothing.
34:14 Nothing, you can't tie your shoe
34:16 if God didn't give you the grace.
34:18 But it need to resonate with, Yvonne,
34:20 because God is ready to wind his work up.
34:23 He's looking for people that he can trust
34:26 wholeheartedly with his spirit.
34:29 I'm serious I see that.
34:32 And so when I said nothing.
34:34 Then I'm dissecting the Scripture
34:36 and when he says,
34:38 "I'm the the true vine."
34:40 That's what he said in John 51,
34:42 and I read that before true vine.
34:44 I'm thinking, okay, there's counterfeits out here
34:46 but I learned how to study scripture contextually
34:50 Jesus just, just got finished with the upper room.
34:54 John 14.
34:55 He was trying to prepare his disciples for crisis.
35:00 You know in a crisis
35:01 he's getting ready to go to death,
35:02 but they don't think he is going to die.
35:05 We can really prepare for a crisis
35:07 coming upon this earth
35:10 and we're not ready for it.
35:11 So Jesus was trying to get them ready for this crisis.
35:15 So he said "I'm the true vine."
35:18 he didn't say, I'm the vine.
35:20 So when I read it before.
35:22 Maybe that's counterfeit.
35:23 No, he was talking to his church
35:26 because Israel knew that God planted a vineyard
35:29 and they were the vineyard,
35:31 so the disciple thought they were the vine.
35:35 I asked people and I'd say,
35:36 why did Jesus say he is the true vine,
35:39 because there's counterfeit.
35:40 He was talking directly to his church
35:42 because they thought that they were the vine.
35:47 You get what I'm saying.
35:48 He was the vine.
35:49 I'm the true vine and my father is the husband
35:52 bring out upon the husband
35:54 and he the one that tents the vineyard.
35:58 He's the one to take care.
35:59 He's one that prune it.
36:01 Then he said in verse 2, he says,
36:04 "Every branch in me
36:07 that does not bear fruit I take it away."
36:10 Okay, I'm going get to a question then he says,
36:13 in the same verse, he said,
36:15 "Every branch in me that bear fruit I purge,"
36:21 I purge for what reason?
36:24 To bear more fruit.
36:27 You hear it. Now here's my question.
36:31 What does God and you had a wide listening audience,
36:34 of course you get theologians listen to it,
36:37 doctors and florists.
36:41 What does God choose to purge us Trials.
36:47 All right, that's right.
36:49 And that's what your audience will say too.
36:52 Look at verse 3 John 15.
36:55 God says,
36:57 "You are clean through the word,
37:01 you are clean through the word,"
37:04 Hebrews 4:12 says,
37:06 "The word is like a twoedged sword."
37:10 It cuts, it gets to the what very bone marrow.
37:15 God said in Psalms 50:1 and this become more clarity,
37:19 "Purge me with his word."
37:22 John 17:17,
37:25 "Sanctify them by that word, the word is true."
37:28 We are cleansed through the word.
37:31 Now follow me.
37:32 So here we have my wife go through,
37:36 while I'm seven day resting, she's going through a trial.
37:40 Oh, yeah.
37:42 No money,
37:45 hospital, situation,
37:48 husband whether he gonna
37:52 wake or not, that's a trial.
37:56 But as, as we said,
37:59 those who were with my wife
38:02 that one moment she held on to the word.
38:06 She cling to the word.
38:10 Trials, what I understand trials are,
38:14 they reveal to us the intents of our hearts,
38:20 trials revealed to us our helplessness.
38:24 Exactly.
38:25 Our hopelessness. Yes.
38:26 That's what trials do.
38:28 That's right, our dependence.
38:30 Come on, the word comes to offer the solution
38:35 for that trial case in point.
38:38 Say, say we're very good friends,
38:40 now I just say my wife and I been married for 44 years,
38:42 and we found ourselves allowing
38:47 our spirit to be controlled by the devil
38:51 and he comes in and develop a division among us.
38:55 You know we've been married and say,
38:57 I did something that was just unforgivable
39:02 and she began ruminating, begin to build up a wall,
39:06 the resentment and bitterness and that's happened.
39:08 Oh, yeah.
39:10 That's a trail, we just say that's a trial.
39:12 So now, per se, well, God, she said, well,
39:16 God just send that trial to perfect my character
39:18 but you're still ruminating,
39:20 you still just rehearsing that bitter experience.
39:24 And God's word comes to her,
39:28 forgive and love
39:33 God's word offer a solution for this situation.
39:37 You get what I'm saying.
39:39 Trials reveal in my heart
39:40 'cause she's building a wall a resentment and bitter
39:44 and God said forgive.
39:46 How can I forgive, after all what he did to me?
39:49 I'll forgive that's about it.
39:52 You understand what I'm saying.
39:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:54 God sent the word is what cleanse us,
40:00 it offers the solution once I recognize my happiness.
40:04 John 15:4 says,
40:06 "Every branch in me cannot bear fruit without me."
40:11 So then what's the purpose of the branch?
40:15 Can the branch produce fruit?
40:17 No, it receives sap from the vine.
40:22 So the branch only become a channel,
40:24 a conduit through which the sap
40:27 flows through the vine into the branch
40:30 and the fruit is produced.
40:32 So if this bottle of water, my arm,
40:35 Jason, Yvonne, is the branch,
40:37 my body is the vine and this is the fruit,
40:41 what's the fruit for, for the branch?
40:45 Have you ever seen a branch eat his own fruit?
40:48 No.
40:50 And this is some apples and peaches and grape,
40:52 what's it for, you go and pluck it.
40:54 So therefore,
40:55 what God will produce through me through you
40:57 by abide in him our fruit
41:00 which is the reproduction of the character of God
41:04 in me that others partake of these fruit
41:07 and be nourished that that same character is reproduced
41:10 in the partakers of that
41:12 'cause John 15:7 says,
41:15 "If you abide in me and my word in you,
41:17 you ask what you will it should be done."
41:20 Now in that context as the average Christian,
41:24 Adventist Christian what does that mean.
41:26 Well, a wife, a car, a job,
41:29 that's not what that text is saying.
41:30 Contextual saying, if you'll abide in me,
41:33 my word in you, you ask what you will.
41:35 So that means you're not asking your will
41:36 because if you're in Christ and His word is in you,
41:39 you gonna ask the will of God,
41:41 of course the will of God that you be fruitful.
41:45 And it says by this shall you be my disciple.
41:49 So that can clear it...
41:52 So go ahead.
41:53 So I was gonna ask Dr. Laverne here
41:56 during that time
41:57 when your husband was lying there
42:01 for those seven days
42:02 and you were into that word and doing as Doc is saying,
42:07 you were abiding in Christ.
42:09 Tell us about your journey during that time?
42:11 What were you doing during that time?
42:15 What I was doing was of course, praying.
42:19 But I was praying
42:20 and I had to grab hold to promises
42:25 because there was a lot of negativity.
42:28 Constantly.
42:29 Constantly coming to me, he was not going to live
42:32 and so I knew in my mind and I spoke to God
42:36 and I voiced I said,
42:38 "Lord, I know you didn't bring us over here.
42:42 For me to bring him home in a box."
42:45 That's not an option. Yes.
42:47 That is not an option.
42:49 So I need to know
42:51 what it is that you would have for me to do
42:54 because I know it's something.
42:56 You know I'm not asking why this happened.
42:59 What is it that you would have us to do?
43:01 Give me what that is, and of course,
43:04 he flooded me with his word
43:06 and the most precious one is in Isaiah 43,
43:10 you know when you go to the flood and all you know,
43:13 yes, I will be with you.
43:15 And so he let me know that he was going to be with me
43:18 and whatever my needs were,
43:20 and I am the type of the individual
43:22 because I kept thinking okay, Lord,
43:24 here we are, we got here.
43:28 I didn't have time to change the phone,
43:30 so I don't have a phone.
43:32 I don't have the money that I need
43:34 because I figured two weeks we didn't need what we need
43:36 and you know I would have what I needed.
43:38 Two week trips
43:39 because we were back in two weeks.
43:41 Two weeks...
43:42 Two months.
43:43 And so I said, okay Lord,
43:45 now I don't have a means of transportation.
43:48 I'm living with an individual, they don't have a car,
43:51 the individual that's supposed to drive us
43:53 don't have a license right now for some reason.
43:56 So here I am no money, no phone,
43:58 no means of getting around and then here
44:02 I know my family's getting ready wanting to come
44:05 because I had to let them know,
44:07 I couldn't just keep it silent.
44:09 Right, because you needed prayers...
44:12 I needed prayers, I needed resources
44:14 and I needed strength from the brethren.
44:18 Yes.
44:20 And from my family and so the,
44:23 and I said, Lord, you know
44:24 I am a person that lights I have A in place
44:29 and then I got B in place
44:30 and I got C if B doesn't work.
44:33 So you had to be able to tolerate
44:35 a little bit of uncertainty.
44:37 Yeah.
44:38 So the Lord said to me right now
44:40 you can have A B or C.
44:42 I'm your A B and C.
44:44 I am A, he said,
44:45 "You got to trust in me and leave it in my hand."
44:48 and then he took me to
44:50 when Abraham went up and took Isaac
44:53 and he was all the struggle in his mind
44:56 but God said,
44:57 "I am Jehovah Jireh, I provide."
45:01 And so I saw it every need he provided it
45:05 when I needed it,
45:07 so I had bills over here where I am,
45:10 I got bills over in America that's got to be done.
45:13 And the Lord took care every last one of them.
45:17 But the most thing that was so special is the day,
45:21 the night that he got in the hospital
45:23 and I was needing a phone
45:25 because so I could make phone calls.
45:28 There was a guy who come,
45:30 the people were getting ready
45:33 to come to church that next day to see us at church.
45:37 And here they're getting messages
45:39 as they're on their way to church
45:41 that he's in ICU in the hospital,
45:44 and of course what the saying was,
45:46 "That can't be Thomas Jackson, no,
45:49 the health men in the hospital."
45:52 So anyway they came,
45:54 and one of the guys that came,
45:55 he says Sister Jackson, he said,
45:57 "What is it that you need, he said,
45:59 because I have a friend here who has AIDS
46:03 and I was going to bring him to the church.
46:07 So he could talk to Brother Jackson.
46:10 He said, now my friend has two phones.
46:13 I said I needed a phone.
46:14 He says, well, okay I'm gonna ask my friend.
46:17 His friend gave that phone.
46:19 And I kept that phone for two months.
46:22 And he said, well, what do you need?
46:23 I said I need international minutes.
46:25 So he took that phone right away and came back
46:28 and brought me a phone for international minutes
46:31 so that I could make contact.
46:33 I needed a vehicle.
46:34 I couldn't drive over there,
46:36 somebody had a church in Manchester
46:40 called the girl's father
46:43 who was come to see him as well,
46:45 and says, they got to need a vehicle.
46:47 He said, I am going to let them use my vehicle
46:50 so to gas or will I tell you what
46:52 I give them my vehicle
46:53 and then out when I get back.
46:55 I can drive your vehicle
46:57 because the guy who was there that gave his vehicle,
46:59 he was a instructor, driving instructor.
47:04 So he had insurance on his where anybody could drive.
47:08 Wow! God provided that.
47:10 Now listen, not only that,
47:12 the guy was going to turn in and turn his insurance in
47:17 because he wasn't doing this service anymore.
47:20 And the company told,
47:21 no, you got to keep it for another two months,
47:23 so the Lord set that up
47:25 and then the guy who had the car
47:27 couldn't sell the car and so he had us sit there
47:30 waiting for us and use it, isn't that awesome.
47:32 Oh.
47:33 So every step God provided the means
47:36 and whatever's needed before hand
47:39 we just had to trust that he was going to be able to,
47:42 to do what needs to be.
47:44 And then I didn't know,
47:45 that once he was in the hospital 32 days.
47:49 And in 32 days, he had to have rehabilitation,
47:53 speech therapy, physical therapy,
47:56 writing, all of these in just 32 days.
48:00 It's amazing and I praise the Lord
48:03 that with his brain not having the oxygen,
48:07 he could have lost short term,
48:10 long term memory when he waken up.
48:12 He couldn't, not even known us.
48:15 That would have been devastating.
48:17 But the Lord worked there where he remembered everything
48:22 but just that the just had happened.
48:25 And so when we were able to get him out of the hospital
48:29 and then take him to a place
48:31 where we can rehabilitate him outside...
48:34 Country place was provided for us.
48:36 And in that way we were able to bring him home
48:40 after we got everything you know
48:42 back in order what it needed to be.
48:44 So I just thank God for how he works
48:47 and still and all you know they still don't know
48:50 we've been to specialists and all.
48:53 But we know that you know what came to my mind again,
48:56 as he was in the hospital.
48:58 There I think
49:02 his in the gospel where it says,
49:04 you know when the man came and they brought him down
49:08 through the roof and put him down
49:10 and they said, that that was a strange act.
49:13 I believe that this was a strange act.
49:17 And our adapted father says
49:20 that this was a present day Lazarus.
49:24 Oh, really? Really.
49:25 And that's how we introduce him.
49:27 Yes, we had to have a present day Lazarus
49:30 for people to realize that God plan works
49:34 and that God is still in a business...
49:36 Being faithful, God is faithful.
49:37 Of answering prayer.
49:39 That's right.
49:40 You know, 'cause some prayers
49:42 it takes him a little longer to do
49:43 but this when we saw that he raised him up
49:46 and it was a strange act that our God performed.
49:49 Mercy, mercy, mercy. Yeah, thank you Lord.
49:53 That's the kind of God we serve.
49:54 Yes.
49:55 It makes you want to shout.
49:57 Okay, listen I've been shouting.
49:59 I know you have. Have been shouting.
50:02 He is literally raised from the death.
50:04 He is raised, that is true, he really is,
50:07 strange, people wouldn't believe it.
50:08 Yeah.
50:10 So he could come forward
50:11 and even with his mind being intact to the point that
50:15 you know when, when he got into,
50:17 when we got in two part outside
50:20 of two hours outside of London.
50:21 We started making him do presentations
50:25 to see to make that brain fire, you know.
50:29 And I tell you he would get there,
50:31 and at first he was a little hesitate
50:34 but that brain kicked in and a Holy Spirit kicked in
50:38 and it renewed every one of those
50:40 nerves neuron you know.
50:42 Yes, every synapse...
50:43 Every synapse. Is firing.
50:45 One thing that I'd like to bring attention to,
50:48 to is the...
50:51 basically you know how you go through a trial
50:54 you can react.
50:55 There's different ways that you can react.
50:57 You can either rely on God or you can blame God.
50:59 Oh, yes.
51:01 And a lot of people tend to blame God,
51:02 but you had faith
51:04 and you held on to the Word of God,
51:06 people were praying.
51:08 Yeah, I mean that's, that's huge.
51:09 And God honor that.
51:11 He did, he did.
51:13 We had a system
51:15 because when I talked to the office
51:17 I mentioned to them, I said, you know,
51:19 I want to synchronize the prayers.
51:21 So it when one prayer is going to we're all praying
51:24 at the same time even though I'm here
51:28 and six hours later, I'm praying at the same time.
51:30 So I believe that as a result of those prayers going up
51:34 around the world same time,
51:37 God was hearing and answering those prayers.
51:40 Mightily for what he...
51:41 I know that time is running
51:43 but something else very affirming.
51:46 We have a cardiologist that goes to our church,
51:49 wonderful man.
51:51 He stayed with my wife on a phone,
51:54 but he does not specialize,
51:55 what happened to me
51:57 it was the electrical current in my heart went
52:01 and I want to...
52:02 Shut down.
52:03 Shut down, though when I woke up
52:06 and after God continued to download his plan
52:10 and continue unveil that.
52:12 And there's the doctors and surgeons around
52:17 and I wake up and a verse just flow from my mouth
52:22 as though I'm speaking to people
52:24 who understand the language.
52:26 Proverbs 26:2,
52:29 I said, Doc, the curse causeless shall not come
52:34 and I quote myself,
52:35 but these folks all know what I mean by that.
52:39 And I quote myself and said,
52:41 I said doc there's a cause for everything,
52:44 you agree with that.
52:45 So I said, what is your diagnosis?
52:49 And he said you heart tip top shape.
52:55 Your arteries are clean as a baby.
53:00 You see you don't smoke, you don't drink.
53:03 So it's a rarity.
53:05 I said, doc, have you all checked it up.
53:07 Now if ever the content my father but I know,
53:10 when my mother died from,
53:12 so you know so they have nothing.
53:17 So doc, what's the prognosis?
53:20 Now I'm asking these questions
53:22 and he was getting little bit of...
53:24 I'm a very observant person
53:26 and so I'm getting little agitated,
53:27 I said Doc, I'm not asking these questions
53:31 to question your professionality,
53:34 I'll plow the intervention and emergency,
53:39 but by the way does not the patient
53:42 have the right to know that's all I'm asking.
53:46 Okay, but anyway
53:48 I think so as it will with a situation like this
53:51 there's electrical current my heart.
53:53 Then who says it's not going to happen again.
53:55 Say, well, this what we have do to him,
53:58 all right talk to me, Doc.
53:59 Well, we're seeing a little electric bolt to your brain.
54:04 You got to hit the right spot,
54:05 the right node in your right chamber of heart
54:07 and we're just going to destroy to wipe it out.
54:11 I just said...
54:12 They call it burning it.
54:13 Burning what?
54:15 Burning the cell...
54:16 There's a node that control electrical current,
54:18 they just wiped it out,
54:20 so what it meant to my man then what,
54:23 you know when and what.
54:24 And so,
54:26 God is just downloading thoughts,
54:28 I said, Doc, I said, I really appreciate your help.
54:31 But I was saying I cannot agree
54:34 with that procedure because you don't know
54:37 because you see that there's something wrong
54:39 with electrical current in my body
54:41 cause to see electrical current.
54:43 I have read and teach out,
54:46 God is in doubt his people
54:49 with a certain amount of vital force,
54:52 a vital force is electrical energy
54:54 that's life
54:57 and electrical current is gone.
54:59 So I got turned my fold here,
55:01 I did not have a heart attack,
55:02 I don't have cancer,
55:04 vital force was capped out of me,
55:08 you know what I'm saying,
55:09 vital force.
55:11 So I said no Doc, I want to get to States.
55:14 He said, okay, because patients
55:15 and he said well there's only two places
55:17 in close proximity that they do this
55:21 that's Vanderbilt, that's Nashville,
55:24 the universal of Alabama,
55:25 so our cardiologist goes, you know,
55:29 very wonderful guy,
55:30 I had fast forward get back home,
55:33 he has all the paperwork he stayed on the phone.
55:35 My wife got all the documents.
55:38 And I went into his office and when he saw me,
55:40 tears is rolled down his eyes,
55:42 he just cried and we prayed together.
55:46 But this is my last point and I thought he had,
55:50 he already had my paperwork everything about
55:51 this operation said, Doc, what about his operation,
55:55 he said, I'll tell you what well,
55:57 that's only one person I know that specialize is
55:59 he's two hours away from us,
56:01 Memphis, he is Asian doctor.
56:04 He said, I set you a appointment you go there.
56:08 Now it's so stereotyped mind because Asian doctor,
56:12 he don't believe in Christianity,
56:14 he's not gonna pray with me so I...
56:17 He believes in Buddha.
56:18 Yeah.
56:22 God said, you abide in me, I got to go.
56:24 So I'm sitting there my wife in an examination room.
56:28 I'm on the table.
56:29 Dr Lon open a door, he comes in, he has,
56:34 so he looks at my wife greets her,
56:36 then he looks like I'm looking at Jason.
56:38 He has a look I never seen a doctor face.
56:42 Can I get up for a moment. Yes.
56:43 Then he walked over to me like this
56:46 he said, "God is good to you."
56:50 Wow.
56:53 I looked at him that resonate
56:56 as this man he said, 15 percent of the people
56:59 that he that does survive this
57:03 that he's operated on don't survive,
57:06 you know far as.
57:08 So 85 percent of people
57:10 who have what you had don't survive.
57:13 If they are vegetables were not here.
57:16 And I said doc, I know time is running out,
57:18 I said, Doc, what about the surgery,
57:21 he said, okay, let me keep you on a check.
57:23 Let me keep you on the check.
57:25 You know check me for weeks check,
57:27 went back about a month or two ago,
57:29 he said, and he just saw me my parents
57:34 but I'm still going to a guy,
57:35 I said, Doc, what about this operation.
57:37 He said, there's no markers, what can they fire.
57:41 I see you next year.
57:43 Wow!
57:44 I can't thank you enough for being with us.
57:47 Thank you, may God bless you.
57:49 Our time is up, I can't believe our time is up.
57:52 Thank you, thank you.
57:54 And make sure you tune in next time,
57:56 'cause it just wouldn't be the same without you.


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