Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Terry Moreland, Willie Thomas, Richard Bland,
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000204A
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00:01 Stay tuned to meet some cutting-edge folks
00:02 that I met up with while at ASI. 00:05 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:06 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:31 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:33 Recently, I was at ASI 00:35 and connected with some folks that you need to know about. 00:38 My first guest is Terry Moreland take a look. 00:43 It is so great to be here at ASI 00:46 and to have seen one of my Adventist heroes 00:50 and I call him that because he has been so active 00:54 in working with Prison Ministries 00:57 and just doing some things that are... just such a blessing... 01:01 welcome... Terry Moreland... 01:03 Brother Terry Moreland... so good to have you. 01:06 Thank you... it's nice to be here. 01:07 You have been involved in work with the prisons 01:12 for how many years? 01:14 Twenty-five years. 01:16 Yvonne: Twenty-five years... tell us... 01:18 first of all tell us how you got involved. 01:20 Well, I have to say, first of all, 01:23 I have not been actively involved in the last five years 01:26 in the Prison System and I got involved 01:28 with Mr. Richard Bland, United Prison Ministries, 01:30 he's been a friend forever 01:34 and he took me to a lot of prisons 01:37 in Europe, Russia, US, and that's when I began to 01:43 be interested in the Prison System. 01:46 What did you see when you went with him? 01:48 I saw that the prison... 01:51 no matter where you are in prison... 01:53 it's a different world. 01:55 It's like a country within a country 01:59 and although there are some differences 02:03 in how incarceration is handled, the overall theme is the same 02:09 and it has the same results 02:14 no matter where it is 02:17 whether it's South America or Russia or here, 02:20 it has the same results because of the way 02:22 that inmates are handled. 02:24 What's the overall theme? 02:27 I think the overall theme is 02:30 incarceration has become an industry... 02:35 it's become something that 02:41 is not bricks and mortars to make money 02:46 but it's... it's a type of... it's all about that... 02:53 people make money off of human misery. 02:57 That is so... see... you know Brother, 03:01 I don't think that enough people know what goes on 03:05 with that whole system because if you're, basically... 03:09 a law-abiding person, 03:10 you never come into contact with that System 03:14 but when you make it either part of your ministry 03:17 or you've gotten in trouble, you are then... 03:21 you have a bird's-eye view of what's going on 03:24 within that System... 03:25 and just like you said, it is an industry... 03:29 it is an industry... so, what was it... 03:34 were there some things specifically that you saw 03:36 that made you say, 03:37 "Oh, I've got to get involved with this... " 03:40 and what did you do? 03:41 No, actually, it's not something that you want to get involved in 03:47 it's something that you're compelled to get involved in 03:50 because I think if a person is a Christian 03:53 and trying to be Christ-like 03:54 and trying to help the people around you, 03:58 you recognize that if you don't help these people, 04:01 they're going to hurt you and they're going to hurt you, 04:06 they may have come into prison... stealing a car, 04:08 going on a joyride with a friend... 04:11 maybe getting drunk and getting into trouble... 04:15 now, I realize there are worse offenses, 04:18 but I'm just going to take those for example 04:22 and some kid ends up in prison for a year 04:25 and he's raped every day, 04:28 now that kid, when he comes out of prison, 04:31 he's going to get even with somebody 04:34 and that kind of conduct... 04:37 that kind of "prison mentality" and operation 04:42 is something that is hurting Society, 04:45 it's not helping Society, they think... 04:48 I used to think that people get in trouble... 04:51 they go to prison... they deserve it, 04:53 they go serve their time... they get out, 04:54 but it's not that way, 04:56 once they enter into the... it's a different world, 04:59 so you've got all the gangs... all the different gangs... 05:01 and you... in order to protect yourself, 05:06 normally will get involved with a gang... to protect you 05:09 and that's just a real sad commentary on our System 05:15 and it starts with the people 05:19 that have the responsibility for incarceration 05:24 and if nothing is done on that level, 05:28 then the recidivism... returning to prison 05:31 is going to remain the same, 05:32 the money that's being made by the System 05:36 is going to continue being made... 05:39 and the public is going to continue 05:42 suffering the consequences 05:44 and when you get an inmate that gets out 05:47 he goes and does the same thing... re-offense, 05:50 people don't look beyond the offender. 05:53 Hmmm... hmmm... 05:55 They don't look where he's been and what he's been through, 05:57 and they only see what he's doing now, 06:00 and so, you can't correct it by looking at that, 06:03 you've got to correct it by 06:05 getting involved in the Prison System itself, 06:08 to have kind of a total cure 06:15 for the problem that you're trying to address 06:17 and not to say that everybody can be hailed the same, 06:22 but we certainly can reduce what goes on in Society 06:27 with these people after they get out 06:29 by transforming the way they're treated when they're in 06:32 and I'm not saying "baby these people. " 06:35 Right, right, what are you saying then with the treatment? 06:39 Compare the treatment... what... because again... 06:42 many people don't even know how inmates are treated 06:45 how are they treated and then... what should be different? 06:48 Well, inmates are treated as low life 06:53 and some of them have some 06:56 grievous crimes that they've committed, 06:58 others are drug related... 07:02 not involved in crimes that hurt somebody physically, 07:11 and so, if you... if everybody is treated in a horrible way, 07:18 where they've got to protect each other, 07:22 then you've got a problem with the inmate... 07:26 you can't learn anything... you can't better yourself... 07:30 when you're trying to protect yourself physically all the time 07:33 and we opened the Maranatha Prison...up on the High Desert, 07:41 all of our employees were trained... 07:44 months before we actually opened. 07:47 Inmates were to be called, "Sir... " no matter what. 07:51 Hmmm... 07:53 No matter what... 07:54 Now I think... and I just want to back up for one second 07:57 you're saying that you opened a prison. 08:00 It's a private prison for the State of California 08:03 it's... there was a bidding process 08:07 with... at that time... Wackenhut... it's now GEO 08:10 several other entities and we won one of the contracts 08:16 until we built the prison and had 500 inmates. 08:19 You saw what was going on 08:21 and you decided to open a prison, 08:24 tell us about the prison... what... so you're saying 08:27 your staff was trained... months in advance, 08:30 they had to call every inmate, "Sir... " 08:33 Terry: All the time. Yvonne: All the time. 08:36 So you were giving them back some dignity. 08:40 Well, yeah, we wanted them to recognize 08:44 the fact that we recognized their legitimacy 08:49 to being an equal human being, 08:53 knowing that they're going to be out... 08:55 you know, when they come to us 08:56 they have... at the most... a year left, 08:58 that they're going to be out again 09:00 and so, we try to do things like change their diet, 09:04 try to get the drugs out of their system, 09:07 they do get drugs in prison 09:08 and we looked at their spiritual life... 09:14 we had virtually every church within a 50-mile radius 09:18 that had access to our prison, 09:20 more than any major prison in California 09:23 and so we had all these religious programs 09:25 that helped them from a spiritual standpoint 09:28 and then we had a nutritional program 09:30 to get the drugs out of their system 09:32 and it was basically a vegan, vegetarian diet... 09:35 Yvonne: Look at this... 09:37 Terry: One in which the State of California 09:39 told us, "They'll never eat that stuff, 09:41 they'll burn your prison down," there the exact words, 09:44 that they'll burn your prison down if you do that... 09:46 but the fact is that we had two sites in the prison, 09:51 they made us go with the normal site, 09:53 some things they asked us to do, we would not do 09:57 because we knew that was wrong from a nutritional standpoint, 10:00 but the other site was strictly vegan 10:03 and we had virtually 95 percent of the people 10:08 wanting to be on that site. Yvonne: Hmmm... 10:10 Terry: So they wanted to better themselves, 10:13 it's not like they liked the vegan diet, 10:15 they liked what it did for them, 10:17 we had physicians from Loma Linda 10:19 and around the Country that came into the prison 10:22 and lectured them, gave them the opportunity 10:24 to know what food does to people... 10:29 and what it can do and what does for like... 10:34 positive and a negative standpoint 10:36 so, they recognized 10:38 and this is something that we didn't know in the beginning 10:41 till we actually got into it, 10:42 they recognized, "These people here are trying to help us," 10:45 you know, and so 10:47 a lot of them would go along with things 10:49 that they normally wouldn't go along with 10:51 because they knew we were trying to help them 10:52 and then, when the things that we were doing helped them, 10:56 then they began to see what we were trying to accomplish 11:00 and so as a consequence we had a low recidivism rate, 11:04 we had virtually no... on the... that side of the prison, 11:09 we had no problems, blacks, whites, Hispanics, 11:12 no gang problems, nothing, 11:15 playing basketball together 11:17 and all the things you would never see 11:19 in a regular prison that draws a line... you know... 11:21 like the, whites, blacks, whatever... 11:23 and so, it was... it was really quite an experience. 11:27 How many inmates did you have? 11:29 500... 250 on each side. 11:31 See, this to me is... if we had more prisons like this, 11:36 it would... what you're doing was... 11:39 you were dealing with the person holistically 11:43 from a physical, spiritual, emotional standpoint 11:47 and so, you were giving them something 11:50 that they weren't getting and self-respect 11:53 and you also were training them with a trade, 11:55 tell us about that. 11:57 Well, it's kind of a program that we tried to recognize 12:02 all their needs... from being in the prison, 12:07 being around each other, getting healthy, 12:11 looking for a life to live down the road, 12:15 most of them... at that point... we knew... 12:20 went out of prison, back to the drugs... back in... 12:23 and you ask them, you say, 12:25 "Listen, you're having such a great time in here, 12:31 learning, doing things, 12:32 why would you go back to the drugs? 12:36 And... this guy just blew me away, 12:40 he said, "Terry... " he says... 12:41 and I let them call me "Terry" 12:43 he says, "Terry, when I get out of here, 12:46 I got nowhere to go... I'm going to live under a bridge 12:49 I'm not going to know from one day to the next 12:53 whether I'm going to be beaten or raped 12:54 and I have to have drugs because I can't live without them 12:58 knowing what's happening to me," 12:59 Terry is smiling sadly... 13:02 that's a gut-wrenching thing 13:05 for anybody to have to even be thinking 13:07 "Why in the world am I even here, I can't do this... 13:10 I mean, I can't help these people 13:12 unless we got a program that takes it all the way through" 13:15 and so we came up with a program with housing... 13:18 where the County had a lot of real estate 13:23 residential lots that had never been developed 13:26 and they were off the tax rolls 13:28 that we could get for free and then put together 13:32 a housing program where these guys could build their own house 13:35 and they could help each other and so they could have 13:39 habitation when they get out 13:40 and have something to look forward to, 13:43 it's a very difficult process 13:45 and we were not able to develop all of it, 13:48 prior to them shutting us down which was like a... 13:55 seven years into our contract. 13:58 Seven years in... and you got shut down. 14:01 That's how it happened... 14:03 See, the things that you're doing... 14:04 the things that you... that God called you to do 14:07 were so... you were like a pioneer with this, 14:10 other people weren't doing this, this is phenomenal, 14:14 what a gift... what a gift... 14:16 Well, it's not that they can't do it, 14:18 they could do it 14:20 and if this were the norm... 14:22 in other words, if this is what the State... 14:24 whatever State it is says, 14:26 "This is what we're going to do to rehabilitate... " 14:28 it would be cheaper... a lot cheaper... 14:30 I mean... a lot cheaper... and it would protect Society 14:35 and give these people an opportunity 14:37 but if you don't do that, 14:40 here are the results and we've seen it over and over again. 14:42 Yvonne: For sure... 14:43 And the answer is not what Obama is saying, 14:46 "Turn them all loose... " well, that's crazy... 14:48 you know, the answer is, 14:50 "Address the needs that are out there... " 14:53 we're going to have to spend the money anyway 14:55 and it's going to be a lot cheaper if we do it this way... 14:58 I don't know how you put a price tag 15:01 on somebody getting raped when somebody gets out 15:03 because they got no place to go 15:05 and they're angry because they've been raped 15:07 and so, we either fix the problem 15:10 or we live with the results, that's truly it... you know. 15:14 And we thank you for being a part of the solution 15:16 even though that was... that happened a few years ago, 15:19 we thank you because you continue to work for God 15:23 and we know that you are just a blessing, thank you. 15:27 I wish we had more time, I can't believe our time is up. 15:30 Thank you so much. 15:32 Terry: Thank you, the Lord's coming soon. 15:33 Yvonne: He is... and God bless you with all that you're doing. 15:36 Terry: Thank you. 15:38 Yvonne: Thank you. 15:39 Terry Moreland is one of my Ministry Heroes 15:43 and now, here are some more heroes of mine. 15:47 Take a look. 15:48 It is my pleasure to be here at ASI 15:53 and to talk to people that we meet here 15:57 and today is really a special day because I went to a luncheon 16:02 and at this luncheon... 16:04 our guests were featured at this luncheon 16:07 and so, thankfully, 16:09 I was able to get them to come here today to talk... 16:12 my guests are Warden Willie Thomas, 16:17 I want to say... not Pastor... 16:20 but Warden Willie Thomas from the BIBB Correctional Facility 16:24 and you are actually 16:26 a Warden 3... is that the... that's your title? 16:29 Yes, Warden 3. 16:30 And also, Brother Richard Bland 16:33 who is the Founder and President 16:35 of United Prison Ministries Inc. org 16:40 thank you so much... thank you so much for being with us. 16:44 Let's talk a little bit about prison in Alabama, 16:48 because you made a presentation today in which you talked about 16:54 the inmates and the situation in the Prison System in general. 16:59 Alabama's Prison System is one of the most overcrowded 17:03 in the entire nation, population generally was 13,000 17:08 that the prisons were built for 17:09 and now we have more than 30,000 inmates 17:12 which is about 200 percent over capacity 17:15 for each Facility that we operate. 17:17 So, oh... whoa... so... 17:21 the original capacity was 13,000 and you have...? 17:26 Warden: Over 30,000. 17:27 Over 30,000 inmates... and how many Correctional Officers 17:32 do you have... to oversee them? 17:33 At my prison, I have a population of 1,956 men, 17:38 I'm authorized, 278 staff... but at the present time, 17:43 I only have 82 staff to operate a prison 17:47 of almost 2,000 inmates. 17:48 So the danger for the Officers there is real. 17:54 It's real... real and imminent danger. 17:57 Every day... I've read so much, 17:59 I have a burden for Prison Ministry 18:02 and I've read that there are rapes and murders and all that 18:06 going on all the time within the Prison System, 18:09 how does that... as a Warden... 18:10 how does that affect you 18:12 and you're a Christian Warden as well. 18:15 Well, you think about the fact that that's somebody's child, 18:18 you think about the fact that, I have children of my own 18:21 and I will not want anything to happen to my kids like that 18:24 so I take it personally because of that fact 18:26 and of the families 18:28 and I know the pain that they must be feeling 18:30 and for me to have to tell a family member that 18:32 someone has expired or has been stabbed 18:35 or something... valid crime has been committed 18:38 against their loved ones. 18:39 Yes, yes, yes, yes... 18:41 how high is the recidivism rate in your prison? 18:46 In... just my mind... in Alabama over a three-year period, 18:50 the recidivism rate is holding around 35 percent. 18:54 For those of you who don't know 18:56 what recidivism is, tell them please. 18:58 Recidivism, basically is... an inmate leaves prison, 19:02 he goes out, he gets re-arrested 19:05 and he comes back to the prison which means he... 19:09 he has recidivated... he has come back after he's gotten out. 19:12 It seems to me that if you come from a bad environment, 19:19 an unhealthy environment where you have limited opportunities, 19:23 you go to prison and you come out of prison, 19:27 going back into that environment with limited opportunities 19:30 and now... now you can't get a job 19:33 because you have a felony 19:35 so many people don't want to hire you 19:38 because you have a felony, so you have a felony, 19:41 then, many times you can't get into an apartment, 19:44 so, you're going to go and do what you know, 19:47 you're going to do what you did to get you in there before 19:51 because that's what you know. Warden: Absolutely. 19:53 And if we don't change that paradigm, 19:56 if we don't change the trajectory 19:58 of where people are when they come out, 20:01 if they're going back to the same situation, 20:04 they're going to come back to you... 20:06 Warden: Absolutely. Yvonne: Is that correct? 20:08 Warden: That is correct. 20:09 It feels as though 20:11 we have to do something, 20:13 would you agree with that Brother Bland? 20:14 Oh yes, in fact... it's even worse than that, Yvonne, 20:17 let me tell you what I've found out. 20:19 When a person goes to prison, 20:21 he may have gone there for stealing a car, 20:23 okay, if he stayed there for five years, 20:26 he knows how to write bad checks, 20:28 he knows how to rob a Bank, 20:29 he knows how to do all those kinds of things 20:31 so he now has a five-year education in Criminology, 20:34 unless he finds Christ because... 20:37 see they're going to do something with their time, 20:39 it is going to be Christ or Crime... 20:41 so that's what I'm finding out so that's why it's so important 20:45 to have, number one... a Christian Warden 20:47 who emphasizes as much as he can 20:50 to have spirituality in his prison, 20:52 number two, it's very important for the public to realize 20:55 that we need material and things in there 20:58 and need their help as volunteers to go in there 21:00 so that they can talk to these people 21:01 so therefore, they can change them from Crime to Christ 21:04 because the Word of God does it. 21:06 See, you made some great points, 21:07 it's not just about... the first thing is... 21:10 we have to know what the problems are, right? 21:12 Warden: Absolutely. 21:13 And thank God we have Wardens like you 21:16 that... that have a burden for bringing Christ into the prisons 21:21 thank... thank the Lord we have wardens like you 21:24 because that means you care about what's going on in there 21:28 and you are setting things up, programs within your prison 21:32 to make a difference 21:33 and I'm going to come back to that in a second, 21:35 the other thing I want to say about what you just said is, 21:38 we need people to volunteer, 21:40 we need people to... not just volunteer their time 21:43 but to support financially what's going on 21:47 to get these materials in... 21:49 everybody benefits from this... 21:51 this is not just a thing where the inmate benefits, 21:55 Society as a whole benefits from this 21:57 because if that person knows about Christ, 22:00 their values are changed, they're new people, 22:02 different from when they went in... they're different... 22:05 they're not studying at the 22:07 University of Crime anymore necessarily, 22:09 they're sitting at the feet of Jesus, right... 22:11 Warden: Absolutely. 22:12 Mr. Bland: If you take his prison, for example, 22:14 we go... I'm so happy United Prison Ministries 22:15 goes to his prison once a week, we take in there, on average, 22:19 between $3,000 and $5,000 worth of materials... 22:21 each week to his prison. 22:22 Yvonne: Every week... Mr. Bland: Every week... 22:24 $3,000 to $5,000 worth of material. 22:27 And the reason for that is we take "The Desire of Ages," 22:30 we take, "Bible Questions Answered" 22:32 we take Bible lessons and all that... 22:34 so... and the men... take it... 22:36 because see, the thing about it... 22:38 and many lives have been changed. 22:39 If you think about how important it is... 22:41 just say, if you got a child... and your child is bad, right? 22:45 Just one child... he's got 300 criminals 22:48 where only officer is walking around in there 22:52 with 300 criminals trying to change him 22:53 because the other person is in the cubicle, 22:55 so, it's only one... has to stay in the cubicle for safety 22:59 and one is out there with 300 guys.. can you imagine that? 23:02 So if you can't take care of one, 23:04 how can... it's just impossible, it's impossible, 23:06 Yvonne: It is... Warden: It needs to change... 23:08 Yvonne: It sets you up... Mr. Bland: It's incredible... 23:10 Yvonne: Yeah... Warden: For failure... 23:11 Yvonne: For failure... that is... that is... 23:14 that's very interesting to me too, 23:16 you're set up for failure but praise the Lord 23:19 you've got a plan that can't lose 23:22 and we need to back you up in that. 23:24 You're plan... you can't lose with Jesus. 23:27 Mr. Bland: You can't... 23:28 So, we have to back you up as Christians, 23:31 we have to back them up and make a difference, 23:34 we can make a difference... Mr. Bland: We can... 23:36 Yvonne: So, tell us about the programs 23:39 that you have coming into your prison. 23:41 I have, of course, United Prison Ministries with Brother Bland 23:45 and I have, what we call a TM... 23:47 which is Transitional Ministry and in that ministry, 23:50 they are taught... 23:51 not only about God but they are taught life skills 23:55 communication skills, writing skills, 23:58 relationship skills, 24:01 they're taught the whole spectrum, 24:02 and of that group, I've had 299 to go through the entire program 24:06 now, only five have come back to prison, 24:09 those who completed the three-year... 24:11 it's a three-year program... so I encourage it. 24:13 Wow, so is there a spiritual component 24:14 to that Program as well? 24:16 Yes, there's a spiritual component which is a 24:17 major component of it because we're trying to make... 24:19 trying to... when they perceive things 24:20 change within their hearts. 24:21 Yvonne: That's right... that's right. 24:23 Mr. Bland: But what I'm thinking about it is, 24:24 does everybody have to take that program? 24:26 Warden: No. 24:27 Mr. Bland: You see, only very few take it. 24:28 Yvonne: It's voluntary... Warden: It's voluntary... 24:30 So, out of the 1,900... 24:31 you only have 200 that took the program, 24:34 then the other thing I want to bring your attention to 24:36 is how important it is, 24:38 is the fact that every day you have a staff meeting, 24:42 is that right, Warden? Warden: Yes. 24:44 What do you do at this staff meeting? 24:45 See, what you do is... you come and try to find out 24:47 who has an issue, who has a problem, 24:49 were there activities of the night before, 24:51 did we have any violence, 24:53 everybody that comes to that meeting is a supervisor 24:56 and brings everything to the table, 24:58 so we have communication on a daily basis 25:01 because in prison one of the main things is that, 25:03 miscommunication or should I say lack of communication... 25:07 so communication is absolutely, very, very important. 25:11 Mr. Bland: So how do you start your Staff Meeting every day? 25:13 Warden: And each day, when we come to Staff Meeting, 25:14 I say, "If there are any Atheists... you can leave, 25:16 but we start with prayer 25:17 because anything that does not include God first, is no good. " 25:21 Yvonne: Come on... that's it... that's it. 25:23 Warden: So, every meeting we start it... with prayer. 25:25 Amen... how beautiful... how beautiful is that. 25:27 What is your... what are you planning to do 25:30 with this prison, what do you... 25:33 I know what you're doing now, are you planning to expand, 25:36 what do you want to do with it? 25:38 We actually need three things, we need more volunteers 25:41 and we need more funding to keep it going 25:44 because see... can you imagine... 25:45 in this one prison... I'm just talking about... 25:47 because we serve every prison in the States, 25:50 but just one prison, 25:51 I think when I was on the program... with you before, 25:53 because I... we took $252,000 worth of material that one day 25:57 you remember that? "The Desire of Ages" 25:59 so, we just need people's prayer, 26:02 I think, there are three things you need, 26:05 you need prayer, you need workers 26:08 and you need finance. Warden: Finance. 26:10 And give your website so that 26:11 people can send some funds to you. 26:13 It's United Prison Ministries International. 26:17 Website is: www. upmi. org 26:20 that's United Prison Ministries International, 26:23 that's: upmi. org 26:25 And they can donate right from there. 26:27 Bland: Right back there, they go there and donate automatically. 26:28 Yvonne: Thank you so much. 26:30 Mr. Bland: Or they can call, 205-755-4744 for their donations 26:36 Yvonne: Give that phone number again. 26:37 205-755-4744 26:40 and... like I said... we need prayer... 26:43 prayer is the main thing... because see, 26:46 what they don't realize is 26:48 when a prisoner gets out of prison... 26:49 they do one of two things, 26:50 they're going to either "look you up" or "stick you up" 26:52 that's guaranteed. 26:53 Warden: Absolutely, absolutely. 26:55 Wait... wait... it's not funny but 26:57 but, but, but, but... the way you put that... 26:59 that's really funny. Warden: It's true though. 27:01 Yvonne: "They either look you up or stick you up... " 27:03 And in Alabama, when they get out of his prison, 27:05 if they've been there 45 or 50 years, 27:08 they get $10... did you hear that? 27:10 Yvonne: Ten dollars to re-enter Society with. 27:12 Mr. Bland: That's right... that's it... and a bus ticket. 27:14 Did you hear that? Now this is a fact, 27:17 25 years or 30 years in prison, they get $10... 27:20 now what are they going to do with $10? 27:21 I'll tell you what they're going to do, 27:23 they're going to go to the closest liquor store, 27:24 they're encouraged to go to other gangs and steal, 27:26 remember the night before, 27:28 they had three meals a day before... and a bed, 27:31 now, they got $10... what are you going to do with $10? 27:35 I ask you to pray and ask God how much you should send 27:38 to UPMI to support what they're doing. 27:41 This ministry is so important, it is so critical. 27:46 Thank you so much for being with us, 27:48 God bless you for all that you do. 27:50 Thank you for having us. 27:52 Thank you for being with us too. 27:54 Warden Thomas... Richard Bland, 27:56 Terry Moreland... they're all doing great things, 27:59 well, we've reached the end of another Program, 28:02 join us next time 28:03 because it just wouldn't be the same... without you. |
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