Participants: James Marcum & Charles Mills
Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP00029B
00:01 Welcome back to the program.
00:02 I'm Charles Mills here with the Dr. James Marcum.
00:03 We're talking about hearts today.
00:06 And we're looking at some of the questions
00:07 that have come into heartwiseministries.org
00:09 on the subject of hearts.
00:11 One of the most important questions I think that has come
00:15 in is what is happening in heart care.
00:20 We know we have a problem, number one killer,
00:23 well, arguably number one killer over medications
00:26 but arguably number one killer.
00:28 We have a problem with heart disease and we want to know
00:31 what's going on to help us fight heart disease.
00:35 You already mentioned that food is important.
00:38 On the medical part, on the scientific part,
00:41 is there something we need to know about.
00:42 Well, you know, we are improving the way
00:45 we bypass around vessels that people would have symptoms.
00:48 We've got magic devices if the heart
00:51 just stops suddenly, they are called defibrillators
00:53 and when we have an external defibrillator
00:55 that some people might see in airports,
00:58 they might see them in schools,
01:00 they might see them in hospitals.
01:01 We have internal defibrillators that can literally
01:05 be in ambulance with you and you put
01:07 that under the stent. This is cool.
01:09 I've heard about this because
01:10 this can be programmed from outside.
01:12 That's right, they can be and they help
01:14 keep the heart going.
01:16 If they have a dangerous rhythm,
01:17 a faster that can shock the heart back in the rhythm.
01:20 It has a pacemaker in this, but this device
01:23 is really good for damage control.
01:25 Absolutely. It doesn't prevent the problem,
01:27 it doesn't necessarily help the problem from getting worse
01:30 but if it's life threatening, this can take care of you too.
01:33 I see this is where modern medicine is so cool.
01:35 Yes, emergencies, we're right there for you.
01:37 Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've got
01:38 some great medicines are there, of course for some people
01:41 depending on the problems, we can put new parts
01:45 in people literally with transplants.
01:47 If people have congenital disease
01:49 we can fix their valves in that.
01:51 So modern medicine does a lot of good things
01:53 but I think the next revolution in healthcare is as I said,
01:58 it's not gonna be a pacemaker, it's not gonna be a new device.
02:01 What it's gonna be we've already seen it.
02:03 Now I'm gonna ask you question, Charles.
02:05 A 100 years ago if I would have said, you know--
02:09 You are asking me about 100 years ago.
02:10 Yeah, about a 100 years ago--
02:11 How old you think I look?
02:12 No, no, no you're not 100.
02:13 Okay. But if you were 100
02:14 and a 100 years ago and you went back
02:16 what would you think about people said,
02:18 you know, I want to eat a vegetarian diet,
02:20 what do you think people would say?
02:21 Well, probably people would say,
02:23 well, why would you want to do that because
02:24 that's what poor people do it.
02:25 Right, they would laugh at you.
02:27 Yeah, absolutely. They would laugh at you,
02:28 you know. And you look back in medicine
02:31 and 200 years ago if you were doctor,
02:34 didn't put leeches on people
02:35 you were bad doctor.
02:37 I don't want to go to you, you don't use leeches.
02:40 But I use it very latest leeches.
02:41 Yeah, in 1935 in the Journal of American Medical Association
02:45 for asthma they used, recommend the cigarette
02:48 and if you didn't recommend cigarettes you were bad doctor.
02:51 You know, and of course in heart disease,
02:55 you know, if you didn't have a stent or bypass,
02:57 if you didn't recommended that you are bad doctor.
03:00 But the next revolution of healthcare
03:02 is gonna come from the food we eat, the diet.
03:04 Letting people know that they can halt
03:06 heart disease and reverse it.
03:08 Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. T. Colin Campbell,
03:11 these gentlemen are on the cutting edge of research.
03:14 And now we're talking about it.
03:16 Hundred years ago it was laughed out.
03:18 Now it's been talked about.
03:20 In 100 more years we're gonna look back and say,
03:23 hey, these guys were right where it's at,
03:25 this is the way, you know, this is the way
03:26 we prevent disease, it's also way we prevent disease.
03:30 So you gonna see nutrition,
03:32 you know, we're gonna say,
03:33 you know, this Dr, Hippocrates was right all along.
03:36 Let food be thy medicine.
03:38 So not only be thy medicine but food can also hurt us.
03:41 So we're gonna have a whole new revolution of the way
03:44 we think about cardiovascular disease
03:46 and then they are gonna look at you and say,
03:47 listen, we have some test now,
03:49 we can see if your plaques are active in you.
03:52 We can see if they are metabolically active,
03:54 see if you have dangerous plaques
03:56 Oh, man, Charles, you've got some dangerous
03:58 plaques here and here.
03:59 You better get this fat out of your diet very quickly
04:02 before one of those plaques explode and cause heart attack.
04:05 You better do this right away,
04:06 so they're gonna measure these inflammatory markers,
04:09 these leukotrienes, these cytokines.
04:11 We already measuring the risk a little bit with things
04:14 likes C-reactive protein, we measure lipoproteins,
04:18 but we really gonna get people's attention say,
04:20 listen, you know, we have cholesterol medicines
04:22 but in addition to this, we want you to have a walnut,
04:25 we want you to have an almond, we want you to move
04:27 this fat and cheese out of you 'cause you eat
04:29 that and we can see what it's doing inside you.
04:31 That's gonna be the next revolution.
04:33 Now are we gonna do this as a country
04:37 or is it gonna be some big study done?
04:39 No. It's gonna come on individuals and thank goodness
04:43 we have the internet, programs like this
04:46 where we can get a lot of information
04:47 out for lot of people.
04:49 And if they don't believe it just try yourself.
04:51 If you start eating well, all of your blood vessels
04:54 get more blood and oxygen, you start thinking better,
04:57 your heart starts doing better,
04:58 you start functioning better elsewhere,
05:01 you legs feel better, your color gets better,
05:03 your skins gets better, everything gets better
05:05 when there is good blood going to the body.
05:08 It is amazing to hear a--
05:09 So that's gonna be the revolution.
05:10 It is amazing to hear a cardiologist say these things.
05:13 I want to just-- want to say thank you for--
05:15 Well, you know, a lot of people would
05:16 but we weren't trained, you know, less than 5%
05:19 of all medical schools teach nutrition and the once
05:23 that do don't do it correctly.
05:24 They don't go the next step, you know, and that's, you know,
05:27 I guess the revolution really started back at creation.
05:31 Well, that was in the revolution
05:33 but how about Daniel's day,
05:34 you remember that story? Absolutely.
05:35 You know, he and his fellows there,
05:38 you know, after a short period of time
05:40 were 10 times smarter, so let's say the king's guy
05:43 had IQs of 120, where does that take Daniel.
05:46 You know, yeah, and his friends.
05:48 But I think it was more than medicine,
05:50 I also think it was about worship too.
05:52 So I think there was multiple factors but here God
05:55 told this to us all along.
05:57 Now science is coming back to it,
05:59 you know, why didn't we just started
06:01 in the first place, I don't know.
06:03 It is so wonderful to hear a science saying,
06:06 you know, God is right.
06:08 What God said is correct.
06:11 That for every Christian
06:13 that has to be a very affirming thing,
06:16 but I have a problem because many Christians
06:19 have the same ills as non-Christians,
06:21 there doesn't seem to be a demarcation line between
06:24 those who love God and those who don't love God
06:26 as far as health is concern.
06:28 So it's not the Christianity, it's not that you
06:31 are a Christian that's making the difference.
06:32 It's what you are actually doing and using
06:35 those Christian principles that God put in place in Eden,
06:37 that's making the difference.
06:38 Yeah, and there is real science behind each one of those.
06:40 Okay, you mentioned that one of the things
06:45 you can do for your heart is a defibrillator.
06:47 And I want to say this because a lot of people
06:49 are afraid if someone is having a heart attack
06:52 and they want to be helped
06:54 and there is one of these hanging around.
06:57 how does it work and what can you do with it?
06:59 Yeah, if someone passes out,
07:00 okay, what you need to do is call 911 get help,
07:04 so other people are coming.
07:06 These tell you exactly where they go.
07:08 You rip the shirt off real quick.
07:09 I'm not gonna do that to you.
07:11 It shows right where they go.
07:13 All right. One goes here,
07:14 one goes on the back.
07:15 So you rip those apart, you put in on those places.
07:18 Okay. You just hit the on button.
07:20 Yeah. And it analysis it.
07:21 It tells you what to do, and it will shock
07:23 you if you need the shock
07:24 and if you don't need that's all you do.
07:26 It makes the decisions for you. It does everything.
07:28 All you got to do is put these babies
07:30 on and turn this on and that will do the rest for you.
07:33 So they these in airplanes,
07:34 they have these in some companies, businesses--
07:36 Churches, lots of places have these.
07:38 And all you have to do is do that,
07:39 it could save a life and you just got to be brave enough
07:42 to go out and do, you can't do any harm, you know--
07:45 Okay, that's good to know.
07:46 You can't hurt anybody by doing it,
07:47 'cause, you know, if you don't do it, you know,
07:50 you get about five or six minutes before the brain
07:52 doesn't get enough blood and then you go brain dead.
07:55 So this help save lots of people.
07:57 All right, very good.
07:58 Another question that came in,
08:00 it has to do with some herbs.
08:01 Can hawthorn be used to treat the heart.
08:04 Now what is hawthorn and what we're
08:06 talking about here. There is a lot of magic things
08:07 that are out there to treat the heart.
08:09 There is, you know, of course I like to treat
08:11 the heart best with lifestyle changes,
08:13 exercise, stress, exercise.
08:15 There is modern medicine if you're having symptoms.
08:17 But there are also things that have symptoms,
08:19 hawthorn is one of them.
08:21 It's been around in Europe for a long time.
08:23 This actually helps the heart and I think
08:25 of some of the flavonoids and antioxidants
08:27 but it also can make a heart beat better
08:29 and it's use it's not a prescription medicines,
08:32 but this is one that's actually been studied
08:33 and a few patients I've had on it.
08:35 Now I don't take them off other medicines for weak heart
08:38 but usually this is add on in addition.
08:40 So hawthorn is something that's used.
08:42 When it comes to herbs you have that someone
08:45 that knows it very well, 'cause I consider herbs
08:47 in the same classification as medicines.
08:49 You said this before, yes, yeah.
08:50 And they have this interactions in a lot of our plant,
08:53 a lot of our medicines came from herbs.
08:55 So you really have someone that understands
08:57 it and also to look to the science for use on it.
09:00 Because a lot of stuff on the internet
09:02 claims to do great things.
09:04 Well, hawthorn is one that's been looked into.
09:06 You have to also get it from a company that's very reputable
09:09 'cause these are not regulated.
09:12 So we don't really know what's in here.
09:13 The drug companies don't have to,
09:15 you know, they are not regulate that's the drug company,
09:17 so we don't really know what's in this.
09:18 But hawthorn is one that used in people with weak hearts.
09:21 And but I wouldn't take it without talking to your doctor
09:24 and also looking at the other medicines
09:26 'cause you want these other medicines
09:27 that can help a weak heart as well.
09:29 I think one of the questions here that came
09:33 into heartwiseministies.org is reflective
09:36 of what a lot of people think and wonder.
09:40 The question was, are stents and bypasses risky?
09:44 Now of course any time you crack open someone's chest
09:47 or you send something up into an artery and you inflate
09:49 there or put the stent or whatever,
09:51 these are risky business but is the very act
09:54 of doing that to your artery risk.
09:56 Does it carry some dangers?
09:57 Well, everything that we do in life has risk
10:00 as well as benefits and doctors
10:03 are in the risk management business.
10:05 So if a person is having a catastrophic symptom,
10:07 a heart attack, if they are at high risk,
10:09 bypass is sometimes recommended.
10:11 There were about 500,000 bypasses
10:14 done last year in the United States.
10:15 The risk of dying during is about 1.5%,
10:18 so about 15,000 people will dies from the procedure itself
10:22 from all the complications that go with it.
10:25 There are about a million stents placed
10:28 in United States last year.
10:29 And of those million stents about 10,000 people died.
10:33 So that's 25,000 people dying from those two procedures.
10:37 If 25,000 people die per year from anything
10:40 you would consider that pretty--
10:42 Absolutely. Absolutely.
10:43 Not to mention the trauma.
10:44 I think it's pretty traumatic when someone pulls open to that,
10:47 pulls veins out of legs and bypasses on.
10:50 I consider that pretty major
10:52 and pretty traumatic and pretty invasive.
10:54 So when I ask someone said, maybe eat
10:56 little bit more vegetables and bean soup.
10:58 I don't consider that that invasive.
11:01 You know, you see what I'm saying.
11:02 And much more tasty. Yeah,
11:03 and the risk of that, the real thing
11:05 is we want to prevent that taking these risk
11:07 if we don't have to.
11:09 And if I can find one or two people
11:10 that will gradually change their diet or their stress,
11:13 so they exercise from, they might prevent
11:15 taking these risks where people actually die
11:18 from having these things done.
11:19 So if we could-- preventing the problem
11:21 is much better than dealing with all these thing.
11:22 But there is risk to any procedure out
11:24 there carry some risk.
11:26 And when I recommend these things I say,
11:28 Charles, you know, is the risk worth the benefit.
11:31 And a lot of the benefits is improving the symptoms.
11:34 So you have a better quality of life,
11:35 so you can exercise, so you do have time
11:38 to figure out what caused it to happen.
11:40 So you have to always look at the risk and benefit,
11:43 but these procedures that we are doing today
11:45 do carry risk with them.
11:48 And some people think there is no risk.
11:49 Oh, you know, I had some people,
11:51 oh, it fixes me, it fixes me.
11:53 Well, that's the marketing.
11:55 It doesn't fix you.
11:56 And that's what people have to understand.
11:58 These procedures, these medicines
12:00 don't fix the problem, they just treat the symptoms.
12:02 Now we can greatly improve the symptoms
12:04 that will enable you to do things to possibly slow down
12:08 disease or reverse the disease.
12:10 These are important words for us to hear
12:12 today about our hearts.
12:13 We have a chance, we have an opportunity
12:16 to make a difference in our health
12:19 but we need to make those choices.
12:21 We need to decide that we're trying
12:23 to do it according to God's health plan,
12:26 I like to try God's health plan there.
12:28 We'll take a short break and when we come back
12:29 a conversation with that God. Stay tuned.
12:39 Well, there's a few things that everyone has to take home
12:42 from this program today.
12:44 One is cardiovascular disease can be silent.
12:48 We might not even know we have it,
12:50 but there is things we can do before we have a symptom,
12:53 things that we can do, look at our life,
12:56 see if we're under a lot of stress,
12:58 look at our nutrition, make sure
12:59 we're getting the fats out of our diet
13:01 and get out and do some movement or exercise.
13:05 If you are having a symptom
13:07 that's where modern medicine can really help.
13:09 See your doctor especially
13:11 if you are having pain on exertion.
13:12 And remember in this book right here,
13:15 there is a lots of prescriptions that can change your chemistry.
13:19 Open this book, read about the stories,
13:22 read about all the wonderful things that happened at creation
13:25 that God kept His people well through all generations.
13:28 Read about the story of Daniel.
13:30 And if you might be suffering from cardiovascular disease
13:33 or have a loved one, I want to just have
13:35 a prayer with you right now.
13:36 We want to acknowledge the ultimate physician
13:39 as the real healer in our lives.
13:41 Let's just bow our heads.
13:43 Father God, as we talked about the heart
13:45 and we talked about your health and your book,
13:47 we always want to acknowledge you as the ultimate healer
13:50 in our lives, Father.
13:51 Help us to look to you first when it comes to our healthcare
13:54 and ask you for the answers.
13:56 And if there might be someone out there, Father,
13:58 that's suffering from heart disease,
13:59 we want to pray that you heal them and lead them
14:02 to the healing people and things that they do in their lives
14:05 is our humble prayer, amen.
14:09 Thank you for joining us once again
14:11 on the Ultimate Prescription.
14:13 If you have any questions or concerns,
14:14 we have a website, we're here to serve you.
14:16 Go to our website that's heartwiseministries.org.
14:21 Send us your prayer request.
14:22 We're gonna be praying for you and your health in the future.
14:26 Remember the ultimate physician
14:27 is where we must start first in our healthcare.