Series Code: AFH
Program Code: AFH000017A
00:10 A good father takes time to play.
00:15 He has strong integrity.
00:18 He is someone that is truly dedicated.
00:22 He is not afraid to show his love.
00:25 He is a caring provider.
00:28 And he is a kind spiritual leader.
00:33 These are just a few ways to describe a father's heart.
00:41 Hi. Welcome to A Father's Heart.
00:43 I'm your host Xavier.
00:44 And we're going to be discussing
00:46 how to help your children deal with racism, part two.
00:50 And with me to discuss this topic
00:52 is my friends Denry and Paul.
00:54 How are you, guys, today?
00:56 Doing well. Praise God, man.
00:57 You know, last time we spoke about this,
00:59 we went over a lot of different areas
01:01 on how to help our children deal with,
01:03 well, the elephant in the room or as we joked about it,
01:06 the pink elephant in the room,
01:08 but the elephant in the room is racism,
01:10 racism in our church, racism in the world.
01:13 And today, we want to talk about
01:14 how do we deal with that, how do we...
01:17 Basically, constructive areas on helping our kids cope,
01:22 and at the same time, changing those around them.
01:25 How do we deal with that?
01:26 To be honest, we don't deal with it.
01:30 And I'm not saying that in being indifferent,
01:32 I'm saying that is human nature cannot deal with racism.
01:37 And I know that sounds more theory and theology,
01:41 but even in our practicality,
01:44 where human nature cannot deal racism.
01:46 We have to allow Christ
01:48 to really take control of our lives
01:51 in such a way that through Him,
01:54 we have minister...
01:55 Like for example, you know, in Luke 3,
01:58 Jesus actually brings it out.
02:00 You know, when people say it...
02:02 When I tell people,
02:03 "You got to let Christ deal with this."
02:05 They say, "Oh, are you just saying,
02:06 you know, this in theology?"
02:09 Look at how practical Christ was
02:10 when He introduced Himself in Luke 4 rather.
02:13 He said, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me
02:16 to preach the gospel to the poor."
02:18 That's action "To heal the brokenhearted,
02:21 to proclaim liberty to the captives,
02:24 recover sight to the blind,
02:25 to set liberty to those who are oppressed."
02:31 So His mission and His duty was actions, was action,
02:35 going in there healing the sick,
02:38 taking care of the poor,
02:40 even the woman at the well
02:42 and others so breaking those boundaries, those barriers.
02:46 But rather, instead of coming with the fist,
02:49 you know, fight, fight, fight,
02:50 you know, fight fire with fire.
02:52 No, He said, you know what?
02:53 "I'll be water." I'll be water.
02:56 Okay? I'll be water.
02:58 So I'm teaching my children to be like Christ in this.
03:01 You know, don't focus so much energy
03:04 on the negativity of the world.
03:07 Jesus is going to come before this thing ends, okay?
03:11 Focus your attention on doing good, exemplifying,
03:16 let you be the last person
03:18 they say, "Wow, that person is a stereotype."
03:21 Say, "Something's different about this guy.
03:23 I've insulted him, but he compliments me."
03:26 You know, you be different.
03:29 And so that's why I believe that that's how,
03:32 if you want a answer to your question,
03:34 that's how we handle it
03:36 by letting Christ handle it through us.
03:40 I've noticed a significant change
03:42 in the mindset of our new generation,
03:44 the millennials.
03:46 Take for example Ancestry.com,
03:49 something we didn't have 20, 30 years ago,
03:52 but they have a process whereby they are helping people
03:56 to trace their background by DNA analysis.
04:00 I'm just sitting here,
04:01 I'm kind of curious even just looking at us
04:03 because Luke 15, "Who is my neighbor?"
04:08 I think is a concept that we must embrace and amplify
04:13 within our homes, within our churches.
04:16 The sense of independence or isolation,
04:21 that self isolation in some cases,
04:24 separatism that many of us would embrace,
04:28 and accidentally or intentionally nurture
04:30 to our children.
04:32 We have to be very careful about that.
04:33 This picture of us against them,
04:36 we are who we are, they are who they are,
04:38 etc, etc, etc.
04:39 And start looking at things again
04:41 from a humanitarian perspective,
04:43 from the perspective of humanity.
04:45 So I'm just curious looking at each of us here,
04:48 what exactly is your mixture and your make up
04:51 to your knowledge?
04:52 Well, mine, I know, doing research,
04:55 my family was half French and Italian
05:00 and Spaniard on my mom's side.
05:03 Then I have direct descendants from Africa,
05:06 not sure which country in Africa
05:09 because the slaves, their names were changed.
05:13 You know, first name is the Christian name
05:15 that the Spaniards gave to them
05:17 and then the last name is the slave owner's last name.
05:21 So that much I know,
05:23 but I know my dad's side is
05:24 predominantly African with Dutch mixed into
05:28 and a little bit of Spaniards simply because,
05:33 unfortunately, I am a result of my ancestors being raped.
05:37 So there is, by no will of my own,
05:41 Spaniard in the bloodline as well.
05:43 So what is that you just referenced?
05:44 Six? Five or six?
05:45 Yeah, about five...
05:47 Actually about six. Okay.
05:48 And that's just the preliminary.
05:50 And yourself? I can only go back about five.
05:51 You black, dude. You black.
05:53 Yeah, I'm black but my great greats had Jewish.
05:58 Jewish? Yeah, Ethiopian.
06:01 And my great, great, grandma on the side.
06:05 On my dad's side, Maroon Indians, Blacks,
06:10 and there's another one,
06:12 there's some European in there someplace
06:14 but I'm not sure exactly.
06:16 But... Whoa.
06:17 Yeah, I'm a melting pot. Yeah.
06:19 And for me, people meet me and...
06:22 All mixed up.
06:23 I'm South American by birth, from Ghana, African,
06:29 East Indian grandmother,
06:32 grandfather that was native mix,
06:34 Taino Arawak mixed,
06:37 and a great grandfather that was Chinese mixed.
06:41 So I have East Indian,
06:43 African, Chinese, native.
06:49 You know, what I'm painting here is
06:51 we are all in essence humanity,
06:54 you know, and this is a start...
06:56 It is a good starting point or teaching point
06:59 that I share with my child.
07:00 Now we have to be careful as we establish that truth,
07:06 that reality to talk also about identity.
07:10 So who you are in identity
07:13 is quite different from who you are racially.
07:17 So, we three here, even though we are different shades,
07:21 we share a common identity.
07:23 Yes. And it's okay to be...
07:26 It's okay to have an identities,
07:28 you know, sometimes, you come into the church
07:30 and we can be so stringent
07:33 and resistant of cultures.
07:37 We feel that culture and identity,
07:39 in some sense, is a bad thing.
07:41 It's okay.
07:42 It's okay for someone to be proud of
07:43 their Italian heritage, or their African heritage,
07:46 or their Puerto Rican heritage,
07:49 or their African-American heritage
07:52 'cause that's something different that I learned
07:54 in assimilating to the culture here in that in America,
07:58 you could be a multiplicity of shades
08:00 but we identify in one struggle as African-Americans,
08:03 that's all right.
08:04 So I think, in essence, it's important for us to know,
08:09 for us to teach our children, "Who is my neighbor?"
08:13 And your neighbor, living within you,
08:16 is a diversity of people backgrounds,
08:19 but also to recognize the person
08:22 that is not "supposedly" in you, racially or ethnically,
08:27 that person is your neighbor also,
08:29 and you need to especially demonstrate
08:33 care, love, and benevolence towards those individuals
08:38 whether they be from the hills of Georgia, or Russia,
08:43 or wherever that may be.
08:45 And I think, too, it's important to show our kids
08:47 to be empathetic with their neighbors.
08:52 I have somebody that I had a discussion
08:54 with African-American, and I say African-American
08:56 because the person, they said it to me,
09:00 "You know, you're Caribbean.
09:02 You're able to find out where your ancestors came from,
09:06 but as an African-American,
09:07 I can't because I don't know
09:10 other than they came on a ship unwillingly.
09:13 I have no way to trace them."
09:15 You know, one...
09:17 Well, I may not agree or disagree
09:18 with that statement, the fact was that
09:21 that person was hurting,
09:22 you know, hurting because I was able to find my,
09:25 you know, those ancestors,
09:27 but they are unable to
09:28 or they felt they were unable to.
09:30 And I always try to teach my daughters that even though
09:34 people are going to say what they want to say,
09:36 listen to the hurt...
09:38 Listen to the pain because
09:41 even though they might be angry or sound angry,
09:43 beyond that, there's a hurt
09:45 that you might be able to help out with.
09:47 And I've seen that a lie, I've seen racism,
09:51 at least in my viewpoint,
09:53 has become more of a fear factor
09:55 where people are afraid
09:57 rather than ignorant so to speak.
10:00 They're just afraid, they're afraid of being...
10:04 Of many different things, and that's something
10:06 that I always try to instill in my girls that
10:08 a lot of this racism
10:10 and a lot of anger stems from fear, from fear.
10:15 And our job, as they say, the minorities,
10:19 is to educate those that are fearful,
10:23 and show that not only are we bleed like you
10:27 and have the same vital organs as you,
10:31 but our mentality is different than you.
10:34 Let's come together, let us reason together,
10:37 if they're willing obviously.
10:40 In my studies and it's been revealed to me that,
10:44 and I'm not going to call any specific race,
10:47 but any superiority, whatever the color,
10:51 superiority is actually
10:54 insecurity or inferiority.
10:59 If I'm supposed to be superior, right?
11:01 Then why is my objection,
11:04 my mission in life to push you guys down?
11:08 If I'm superior, then I'm okay by myself.
11:10 Look at God.
11:11 God is superior to us and rather than being like,
11:15 you know, this demigod who's crushing around people,
11:18 God is the what?
11:19 He's so superior that He brings us up.
11:23 Revelation say, we're going to sit on thrones with Him.
11:26 Amen. Come on.
11:28 All right?
11:30 And we saw it in Eden, Adam and Eve there
11:32 and here they had dominion whatever,
11:34 sin comes into the world, divides us, God said,
11:36 "Look. I want My people together."
11:37 One of the beautiful things about Revelation 21,
11:40 one of my favorite passages,
11:42 it says, "I saw a new heaven and new earth,
11:44 and there was no more sea."
11:47 And for me personally,
11:49 I interpret that as there's no more division
11:52 because there's no more Puerto Rico,
11:54 as much as I love Jamaica, there's no more Jamaica,
11:57 there's no more England, there's no more Africa,
11:59 there's no more separation,
12:02 and we find every excuse to separate ourselves.
12:07 So going back to our children,
12:09 teach them every excuse to mesh, to merge.
12:15 Okay? Amen.
12:16 So I can have...
12:17 I can be, and this word has been so polluted,
12:20 I can be proud of my race,
12:22 of my identity as you said better,
12:24 I think that's what it is, being part of your identity,
12:27 but I can be proud
12:29 and still not degrade somebody else's.
12:33 So when people say superiority,
12:36 they're really saying inferiority.
12:39 I mean, I'm so shallow about my race
12:43 that I have to try to annihilate yours
12:45 so my race can survive.
12:49 And it's interesting you mention that
12:51 because, you know, we...
12:54 A lot of times, we get asked by...
12:56 You know, Jesus was asked
12:57 by which authority do you speak all these things,
13:01 and He said, "Well,
13:02 the authority is given to Me by the Father."
13:04 You know, and a lot of times we, people don't see us in our,
13:09 you know, nice get up, so to speak.
13:11 And a lot of times, I tell them, you know.
13:12 "Hey, I am a police chaplain,
13:15 I've been doing it for over five years.
13:17 I've been doing it for a long time.
13:19 I was a police officer."
13:21 I've seen racism
13:23 within the own department I worked in
13:26 and I've seen that, you know, the people that were racist,
13:29 they felt inferior to me
13:30 because I was the one getting the overtime,
13:32 I was the one getting called by the Federal Taskforce
13:35 to come and translate, you know, I was the one
13:37 that was rising up the ranks very quickly,
13:40 not because of my race but because I put in to work.
13:45 You know, and that's one thing that I always tell people,
13:48 show them, you know, what your background is,
13:50 where you come from, that you didn't get there
13:52 because somebody handed it to you
13:54 but you worked for it.
13:55 And I don't know, I mean, what is your background,
13:58 you know, what do you guys do
13:59 that gives you this authority to speak in such a way.
14:02 And one of the beautiful things,
14:05 God has just change in my heart, right?
14:08 'Cause when I was younger, I was...
14:09 I mean, you insult me, I'm coming back at you,
14:12 but God put it in my heart, you know, we have to...
14:15 You said something about understand each other's hurt.
14:18 And one thing I've learned in Genesis 3,
14:22 God didn't approach
14:23 when Adam and Eve sinned or assumption.
14:26 You ever noticed that?
14:28 He asks the question, "Where are you?
14:30 Who told you?"
14:31 You see what I'm saying?
14:33 In our humanity, we always assume.
14:36 So here's a practical, something that I did practical
14:39 and God used, God put it in me and I used it.
14:41 When I went to the seminary, right?
14:44 Or just the school that I went to,
14:47 different departments, different buildings,
14:49 I would go in there and I'll see somebody
14:51 of a different shade, or different race,
14:53 and they wouldn't say good morning to me.
14:57 At first, it would hurt me, I was like, "Am I not human?
15:01 I mean, am I some..."
15:02 My mother taught me,
15:03 if you walk into a room and there's a pig,
15:05 you say, "Hello, pig."
15:06 You see a dog, "Hello, dog."
15:07 And so instead of playing this game of
15:11 why didn't he say hello, God taught me, you...
15:15 Matthew 5 is about you, you're a Christian, you go.
15:19 So what I would do?
15:20 I would go in there now and I say,
15:22 "Hey. Good morning. How are you doing today?"
15:25 "I had a rough day." So see right there?
15:29 I already engaged in a relationship
15:31 and I'm polite, I'm polite.
15:34 So no matter how you come to me,
15:36 I'm going to be polite to you.
15:37 And do you know when I left, these same individuals,
15:43 who at first, were very cold to me
15:45 and I assumed they were racist or whatever,
15:47 some of them were crying because they said,
15:50 "Man, your manners,
15:51 you're so respectful, you're so kind."
15:54 You know, I bought some of the flowers,
15:55 I bought cards and all these things,
15:57 these are practical things, these are what change people,
16:00 these are the things.
16:02 Great point. Great point.
16:03 I heard your question.
16:05 So, well, let me ask, let me bounce it back to Denry.
16:11 What qualifies you to speak with authority on this matter
16:15 as far as your professional background or your experience?
16:18 A professional background? Or your experiences?
16:21 Oh, experience.
16:22 And my professional background is I was a pastor.
16:25 Okay. But just as a human being...
16:28 I feel as a human being who's been hurt
16:31 and know what it feels like to be hurt,
16:33 and when somebody shows kindness,
16:36 that's why I feel like I can speak on that authority.
16:37 Right, right.
16:39 Well for me as well,
16:40 it has a lot to do with life experiences
16:43 but also some professional.
16:46 I have pastored for over eight years
16:48 but I've also been an administrator
16:50 in the area of social work,
16:52 family welfare and child welfare,
16:54 and done a lot of counseling education and workshops
17:00 dealing with diffusing, conflict resolution,
17:05 building relationship, and so on and so forth,
17:06 and I also serve as an expert witness
17:08 within the courts for matters of family reunification.
17:12 But I have a question for you
17:14 because a question that I'm often asked is,
17:18 "What do I tell my children, especially my sons,
17:23 as per how they can be safe traversing society?"
17:29 You as someone that's a current employee of law enforcement
17:33 and former police officer and such,
17:36 what do we tell our children,
17:38 what do we tell our church members
17:39 as per the practical of how they can remain safe
17:44 in meandering these pitfalls of racism?
17:47 Whether it be law enforcement
17:49 or whether it be some resident of the civil community?
17:52 I think Denry touched on it earlier a few minutes ago,
17:56 you know, where he said his manners.
17:59 You know, even though it might not keep you
18:03 from the ultimate fate of that you might encounter
18:06 with some individuals which is...
18:09 They're going to kill you, the manners go a long way.
18:13 You know, you're not...
18:16 Working with police officers,
18:18 being trained as a police officer,
18:21 your main goal is not out there
18:23 to kill somebody or shoot somebody,
18:25 that's not your objective,
18:26 that you're there to serve and protect.
18:29 Unfortunately, like any other profession,
18:33 you have people that fall through the cracks,
18:35 meaning that they come in with the wrong mindset of
18:40 "Now I'm the authority."
18:41 You have pastors from the pulpit
18:43 abusing their power as pastors.
18:46 You're going to encounter it
18:47 in every profession of authority.
18:49 And I always tell my friends that are pastors,
18:52 there's not a really big difference
18:53 between pastors and officers.
18:56 You both have the authority to take life.
19:00 One is physical, one is eternal.
19:02 You both have the authority to incarcerate people
19:05 whether it be physical or spiritual.
19:08 You both have to live by a weapon,
19:12 one is a physical gun,
19:14 the other one is the Bible, the soul of the spirit.
19:18 You know, there is not much difference.
19:20 And I always tell my kids,
19:22 be respectful, just show respect,
19:25 "Yes, sir. No, sir. Yes, ma'am. No, ma'am."
19:28 Will that save you? No.
19:31 But the likelihood of escalating the situation
19:34 will be diminished
19:36 because now you are being cooperative.
19:39 Everything is videoed
19:41 and you have plenty of authority to video
19:44 depending on the state.
19:45 I always tell people Google is a fountain of information.
19:49 You know, the irony behind it is that as law enforcement,
19:52 you don't get taught all the laws,
19:56 you're not a lawyer, that's not your job.
19:57 Your job is to enforce the laws.
19:59 And I always tell, you know, kids,
20:02 and I work with many youth, you know, just be respectful.
20:05 They are automatically going to assume.
20:09 Because you're taught that everybody could kill you,
20:11 no matter what race.
20:12 That's right.
20:14 You're taught that anybody...
20:15 A little grandma can kill you. That's right.
20:16 So compound that with television,
20:19 which predominately shows you one side of the coin
20:22 when it comes to black people.
20:24 You know, Hollywood shows black people
20:27 are the drug dealers, the criminals,
20:29 you know, everything that is opposed to,
20:33 you know, being lawful but lawless.
20:36 Music industry, same thing, promotes lawlessness.
20:40 So you're automatically preprogrammed
20:43 by your police academy,
20:45 throw in what you're watching on TV,
20:46 Bible says, "By beholding, you become" right?
20:49 So, you know, you have this idea
20:51 that automatically, subconsciously,
20:54 you encounter a black person,
20:56 put your guard up, they might have a gun.
20:58 You know, I was told jokingly,
20:59 "Oh, you're Hispanic. You probably carry a knife."
21:02 I didn't find that funny.
21:04 But you know what? That's reality.
21:06 And I always told kids,
21:07 you know, just be respectful,
21:09 be mindful of how you address them,
21:11 be mindful of your hands,
21:14 you know, try to keep your hands
21:16 where they can see them for their safety
21:19 because you're trained that if you don't see the hands,
21:21 they might be reaching for something.
21:24 And we see in events that, yeah,
21:27 it was through other thing,
21:28 the media is an enemy of law enforcement,
21:30 not because they might show the truth
21:32 but because a lot of times
21:34 you have half a clip of what actually occurred,
21:37 of what lead to that escalation of force.
21:41 And I always try to tell my kids
21:42 just, you know, keep calm, know your rights,
21:46 which sounds ironic, but do you have rights?
21:49 And if you feel uncomfortable at any point,
21:52 in any and every department even though every state,
21:55 every county is taught differently unfortunately,
21:59 they're taught that, you know, you have every right
22:01 to call a superior,
22:03 say "I want to speak to your commanding officer."
22:06 And you are more gonna wait there,
22:07 they have no way of pushing you to do otherwise.
22:11 I always tell that if you feel uncomfortable,
22:14 if you're at night, driving
22:16 and you get pulled over somewhere that is dark,
22:19 you have every right to drive to a well lit spot.
22:22 Just call, you know, 911 or dispatch or whomever, say.
22:24 "Hey I'm being pulled over so and so.
22:27 Please let them know that I'm not fleeing,
22:29 so don't speed off.
22:30 I'm not fleeing, I just want to be at a spot"
22:33 or if you feel uncomfortable
22:35 because this might be an unmarked vehicle.
22:37 You can call 911,
22:38 "Being pulled over by so and so.
22:40 You know, is this a real officer?"
22:43 There's so many things that can be prevented.
22:45 It starts, you know... That's very important.
22:48 Especially through, you have to keep calm,
22:51 you have to be able to keep calm.
22:52 And while you're doing that,
22:54 that information is being recorded
22:55 as evidence that you did.
22:57 Correct. That's very important.
22:58 Yeah, they have mikes, everything.
23:00 What most people don't know is
23:01 once they flip the light bar switch,
23:03 everything starts being recorded,
23:04 camera starts recording, they have a mike pack
23:07 in which they have to record everything that's coming in.
23:11 So there are rights and regulations,
23:13 and you can always ask, you can always go,
23:16 especially as pastors,
23:18 you know, let's bring our kids to the police departments
23:22 and create that harmony in community,
23:25 work towards building the harmony
23:27 between community and law enforcement.
23:29 Will it be perfect?
23:31 No, but nothing is ever perfect.
23:33 But we have to take steps,
23:35 we're doing too much sharing of posts,
23:37 too much clicking, too much of this.
23:40 We have to start talking
23:41 because our kids are watching us...
23:42 Yes, yes.
23:44 And how their fathers deal with injustice.
23:46 Let me tell you one of the another practical thing
23:48 we did at the church that I was pastoring.
23:53 You know, before I pastored,
23:54 I worked in mental health for years.
23:56 And once again,
23:58 I've learned from mistakes not to assume anything.
24:02 We'll probably talk about this another time.
24:04 When I was in mental health,
24:06 I met a young man who was homosexual
24:09 and I assumed, you know,
24:13 that it was because he chose it,
24:14 all these things were very rounded.
24:16 When he shared his...
24:18 And we sat down and he shared his story,
24:20 he said, "You know, Mr. White..."
24:22 At that time, I was not a pastor yet.
24:24 "I was molested when I was four years old,
24:28 you know, by my father and my uncle."
24:32 And I sat down with another guy who was homosexual too
24:35 and he shared his story, and another,
24:37 and I listened to their stories.
24:39 And because of that experience,
24:41 working in five years of mental health,
24:43 just sit down and listen to people's stories
24:47 just like Christ did,
24:49 I took that into ministry.
24:51 And one of the churches I started working in,
24:54 there was racism, but the other kind of racism.
25:00 They're all black,
25:01 majority of them, rather all black,
25:03 but there are three major nationalities.
25:06 There's Africans, there are West Indians,
25:08 and African-Americans,
25:10 and you would think,
25:12 "Oh, do you know these people get along."
25:15 Deep down inside, they didn't. Right.
25:17 So for Black History Month, I said,
25:20 "You know, we wanted you guys to share your story
25:23 to celebrate your identity in Christ,
25:27 but sit down and share your story."
25:28 We had a panel discussion,
25:29 and one of my kids that he was at AYS,
25:31 I had all the youth leader too
25:33 'cause I wanted them to sit down and hear this.
25:35 And we had three different...
25:38 I mean, not three denomination, three different cultures,
25:41 all three of them sit down, representative for me
25:44 and I want you guys to share your story.
25:46 How have you dealt
25:48 with oppression, racism, whatever?"
25:50 We were blown away.
25:51 Within our own race. Within our way.
25:53 The people from Africa, this lady was from South Africa
25:58 and she shared about the apartheid.
26:00 This guy was from Guyana
26:02 and he shared about racism in South America.
26:06 The other person was from Africa-America
26:09 and she shared about in the south and stuff.
26:11 And when they all were sitting down
26:13 and listening to each other's stories,
26:14 you can see and the audience was like
26:16 "Wow. We all are hurt." Yeah.
26:20 "We all have been damaged by this."
26:22 You know what they'd say?
26:24 We should not focus our attention now
26:25 on throwing blows, more blows at each other
26:28 but rather, try to help heal each other.
26:30 Healing. Yeah.
26:32 And so sharing stories, listening to people,
26:34 taking that time out to find...
26:36 Like I said, when I used to go to the departments,
26:39 even if I go to a department store now...
26:41 We're at Walmart and went to the department,
26:44 this lady had a chip on her shoulder,
26:45 Caucasian lady.
26:48 Lord was like, "Calm down, listen to her story."
26:51 I said, "How are you doing today?"
26:54 And do you know what she said to me?
26:55 She said.
26:57 "I've been having a terrible day."
27:00 So do not assume.
27:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
27:05 Amen. I guess so we...
27:07 This is such a big topic,
27:09 and we can discuss this for days and hours.
27:12 You know, and there is no clear cut answer
27:15 to these issues, but Jesus.
27:19 You know, there's something I want to convey
27:20 to the fathers out there is your kids are watching you.
27:24 They're watching how you deal with the issues,
27:27 the injustices,
27:28 they're watching you if you lose your temper
27:31 or if you keep your temper.
27:33 They're watching you to see if you follow Christ
27:36 or your own personal feelings.
27:38 And not to say that you're a bad parent
27:41 or a bad father if you make a mistake,
27:43 it's just to say wouldn't that be a reason
27:45 to cling on to Christ that much more?
27:48 It sounds cliche, but like I always tell people,
27:50 I don't follow Jesus for the sake of it,
27:53 I follow Jesus to keep me from being angry
27:56 and hurting anybody else at these injustices
27:59 and being an example to my kids.
28:01 If for anything else, do it for your kids.
28:04 Racism will not end until Christ comes back.
28:07 Until then, be a good father and keep safe.
28:11 Thank you for watching.