A Father's Heart

Deadbeat Fathers

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00:01 A good father takes time to play.
00:05 He has strong integrity.
00:08 He is someone that is truly dedicated.
00:12 He is not afraid to show his love.
00:16 He is a caring provider.
00:20 And he's a kind spiritual leader.
00:22 These are just a few ways to describe a father's heart.
00:28 Hi, welcome to A Father's Heart.
00:29 I'm your host Xavier.
00:31 And today, we're going to be discussing
00:32 how do restore deadbeat fathers?
00:35 What does it even look like?
00:36 Who is that and how is it defined?
00:38 And with me to talk about that
00:39 are my two good friends Paul and Denry?
00:42 How are you guys today?
00:43 Hey, great. Great to be here again, man.
00:45 Awesome. Can't complain.
00:46 So deadbeat fathers,
00:48 what is that even, how does that define in?
00:51 How do you restore
00:53 something that sounds so negative?
00:56 I think it's good that you asked,
00:58 let's define it first.
01:00 Because there's so much interpretations
01:02 of what a deadbeat father
01:04 as the world view
01:05 mostly is the person that's not financing a child
01:08 or necessarily not there.
01:12 But a deadbeat father can be there physically,
01:17 but just still absent in the child's life.
01:19 So basically, my interpretation of what a deadbeat father is,
01:23 you're not involved,
01:24 actively involved in the growth
01:26 and the development of your child,
01:28 whether emotional, physical,
01:30 just your idea, you don't care, there's no communication,
01:34 just like you can't talk to the dead,
01:36 you can't talk to your father,
01:38 you know, that's my interpretation.
01:40 I think that's a great definition.
01:42 My years working with the courts,
01:44 we actually made a great effort to not use the term.
01:49 So in my communication with the friend of the court,
01:52 and handling, being involved in custody,
01:56 you know, cases and this kind of stuff.
01:58 It was, the labeling was a problem,
02:00 because there are many fathers who are placed under the label
02:05 that are not really guilty of the definition.
02:09 So, for example,
02:11 as it pertains to child payment.
02:15 I'm sorry, I forgot the term.
02:17 But basically, um, yeah,
02:18 when you owe money for child support,
02:21 and you could owe money,
02:23 you could owe money for child support for,
02:26 you know, more than one reason,
02:27 it's not always a direct neglect.
02:30 And there are fathers
02:31 who are making a conscious effort
02:33 to meet that need
02:34 and handle arrears and old payments
02:37 and so on and so forth.
02:38 And they are involved in their children's lives
02:41 this financial, you know, glitch or setback.
02:46 So and they are not fairly receiving that label.
02:52 So this definition, I think, is a good one.
02:55 And it's very important
02:56 that we identify those who are deadbeat
02:59 as those who are not making contributions to their child's
03:03 not just financial welfare, but on cognitive development.
03:08 Now, you could be at home and still be a deadbeat,
03:11 I believe that.
03:12 You know, your only involvement is financially.
03:15 Your child wants to go so, well, you know, just go ahead,
03:18 you know, go ahead and pay for that.
03:19 That kind of relationship
03:21 compared to, hey, let's go
03:22 and let's get involved, let's get involved.
03:24 And I'm glad you mentioned the court,
03:27 because I was labeled as deadbeat dad.
03:31 You know, and I refused to be like that,
03:34 in the sense of, I fought back the court system.
03:38 I said, "I'm going to show you what a deadbeat dad I am.
03:39 I'll go tooth and nail with you guys
03:42 to see how involved I am in my daughter's life.
03:45 You know, and that's, that's the key
03:47 because I've been part of groups,
03:49 and I'm still part of groups for fatherless homes,
03:52 meaning that, not that the dads aren't there,
03:55 but the kids are going through parental alienation.
03:58 You know, the kids are being kept from the fathers
03:59 for whatever reason,
04:01 could be the courts, could be the moms,
04:02 whatever the reason may be, and these fathers, I remember,
04:07 recently, as of last year, 23, excuse me,
04:12 23 fathers committed suicide,
04:15 because they couldn't see their kids
04:17 and they were all called deadbeat dads.
04:19 You know what I mean?
04:21 And what society looks at fathers
04:24 that aren't able to pay child support,
04:27 for whatever reason, maybe it's a system issue.
04:29 You know, fathers are crumbling left and right
04:33 because they're being called deadbeat dads,
04:34 even though that's not the real title.
04:38 It's a system issue.
04:39 And I think I'm glad you made it clear
04:41 because deadbeat fathers,
04:44 I agreed are the ones that really don't care.
04:47 The ones that do not,
04:49 that choose not to want to be there,
04:51 even when odds are, the odds are against them
04:55 because the odds were against me.
04:57 The odds were against me
04:58 and my daughter was a few months old,
05:02 but I fought, I cried,
05:04 and I cried and I literally cried
05:06 not like this metaphorical weeping,
05:09 you know, I cried in there. I was agonizing over that.
05:14 And I said, "God help me. I'm fighting this.
05:17 Take all my money. I don't care."
05:19 Yeah.
05:20 You know,
05:22 because I have built a good relationship
05:24 with the case investigator, with the court,
05:28 everybody, they know my name, like to the point where now,
05:31 if I switch a job,
05:32 I don't even have to write anything into the court.
05:35 The case investigator call, "Hey, Xavier how you doing?
05:38 "Yeah, well, here's the number. Here's the name."
05:40 "Okay. Don't worry about writing anything.
05:42 I'll switch it for you."
05:43 I don't lift a finger.
05:44 And that's what God does
05:46 when you're truly not a deadbeat father.
05:49 He goes ahead
05:50 and changes everybody else's minds around you.
05:52 But have you experienced deadbeat dad?
05:55 Have you dealt with any deadbeat fathers, the real,
05:57 you know what we just talked about
05:58 the ones that did not want to be there.
06:00 Have you dealt with that?
06:02 Many.
06:03 You want to go first? You go first.
06:05 I've dealt with many and from our own conversations
06:07 and our sharing, I think we've kind of both,
06:11 in some sense, experienced that.
06:16 If we should talk about that first up.
06:18 Okay.
06:19 So I've met my dad at about age 15.
06:21 I mean, I was in a date.
06:22 Oh, mercy.
06:24 I met my dad at about age 15.
06:26 I shared before,
06:29 my father was present in my life as a toddler,
06:33 but I don't really have a memory
06:36 of a father-son type relationship,
06:39 because we went to live with my grandma and my mom
06:43 migrated to the US,
06:45 and thereafter my grandma raised me, not my father.
06:48 So I met my father at 15 in Brooklyn.
06:51 And at that time,
06:52 I was very much running the streets
06:56 and gang violence and all that stuff.
06:59 And I remember telling my father when I met him,
07:01 because he needed to stay at our residence,
07:04 our apartment for about two months,
07:07 in transition of getting his own place
07:08 and my mom was courteous enough to let him know that.
07:12 So you haven't been in these kids,
07:13 these children's lives.
07:15 You can't just walk in here,
07:16 so at least give me time to talk to them.
07:19 And we had a little family meeting
07:21 and my mom has basically asked us,
07:22 you know, your dad wants to stay here two months.
07:24 How do you guys feel about that?
07:26 Like, you know, I don't care, man.
07:27 So then when I met him, I told him,
07:28 I said, "Look, if she wants you to stay here.
07:32 Personally, I don't know if I would let you,
07:34 but it's her place so.
07:35 And if she wants to, man, you know, I don't care.
07:38 Sorry, just don't touch my mom, you know, and also told him,
07:41 I hope you're not coming here now
07:43 to try to be like a father
07:45 and give me a bunch of rules and all of that
07:47 because I'm already a man."
07:48 And that's what I said to my dad.
07:52 It's important to understand,
07:54 there may be someone watching this program,
07:58 who has been guilty
07:59 of not being present in their child's life.
08:02 It is never too late to start and to be a parent.
08:07 Children are extremely forgiving.
08:10 Children are extremely forgiving.
08:12 Yes, there are some
08:13 who I guess never get over the hurt and pain.
08:16 But it's, I hate to use the comparison there.
08:19 They're almost sometimes like the love cohesion
08:22 between a pet and a person.
08:26 Dogs especially,
08:27 you can show them a bunch of neglect.
08:30 But once you start showing them,
08:31 treating them with love again,
08:33 they will try to bond that relationship.
08:36 Children are somewhat the same,
08:37 especially as it pertains to father.
08:39 So I want that viewer to understand.
08:42 It's never too late to pray
08:44 and get yourself involved,
08:47 I mean, as terrible as it look.
08:49 I'll give you a short memory reference.
08:54 I'm about 15 in the street with my friends,
08:59 and my dad called to me at some point
09:02 while I came up into the apartment.
09:04 He said, "Son, hey, do me a favor, man.
09:06 Run down over to the bodega out there,
09:08 you know, and I need a New York Post
09:11 and two cans of tuna fish and something else."
09:16 You know if you can get these things
09:17 and I said, "Yeah, "
09:18 and he gives me like $10 or whatever.
09:20 And I take off.
09:21 I pretty much forgot about my dad's request,
09:24 I was hanging with my friends doing what I usually do.
09:27 And then I remembered at some point
09:29 that I promised to get him this stuff
09:30 so I run to the store I get the stuff
09:33 and it's like on my way back
09:35 a neighborhood conflict erupts, a gang fight.
09:40 So now I'm more concerned
09:43 about getting a knife or a pistol or whatever
09:45 and joining my friends
09:47 and dealing with this whoever is trying to intrude
09:49 our territory or whatever.
09:51 We just getting ready to have it out and that,
09:52 and that's where my mind is.
09:55 But I remember I got his stuff, I run upstairs,
09:57 get up to the top, you know, fifth floor,
09:59 whatever we were living, bust the door open,
10:02 run up to my father, said, "Here's your newspaper."
10:04 I just throw his newspaper down the table.
10:06 I put your tuna fish on the table.
10:08 Here's a change."
10:09 And just plod the change,
10:11 stuck my hand in my pocket
10:12 pull out of wad of money and coins,
10:13 popped it in his hand,
10:15 started to run back for them.
10:16 My father said, "Hey, hold on. Hold on, man.
10:18 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
10:19 Come here, come here."
10:20 And I thought
10:22 he's calling me back to tell me.
10:23 "My change is short, 50 cents.
10:25 Where my money?"
10:27 I thought he would come with some ridiculous nonsense.
10:30 Father says, "This is mine, puts the quarter.
10:33 This is mine, dollar, $2.
10:35 This is mine, a 10 cents.
10:37 This is yours."
10:38 And he holds up a ganja spliff.
10:41 You guys will say a joint, right?
10:43 He holds up a joint and says that's yours.
10:47 So immediately, of course, I tried to, you know,
10:49 my mind racks. "Yo, what?
10:51 Where you got that from, yo?
10:53 That ain't even," you know, but then he caught me off.
10:57 He just saw me.
10:59 He just all, he said was in a very calm tone
11:01 while I was trying to say it's not mine.
11:03 He said, "Son, look, listen, this is your business.
11:07 I'm not trying to tell you what to do,
11:08 or what not to do in that sense.
11:10 But you mess around with that stuff too much,
11:13 it's going to hurt you."
11:14 He gave it to me.
11:15 That was a turn around,
11:17 continued watching whatever TV program he was watching.
11:19 I put in my pocket went back out
11:21 and got involved with whatever violence
11:23 I was wanting to get involved with.
11:24 But I mean, I remember that.
11:26 And I think
11:27 it was a good effort on his part
11:30 to demonstrate parenting to the ability that he knew,
11:34 in spite of being absent from my life
11:36 for all those years.
11:39 Mercy, man. Wow.
11:40 So did yours call you a son?
11:42 He called you son.
11:44 Yeah, he called me son.
11:46 Most times, he called me Paul.
11:47 Unfortunately, I never got that.
11:48 Yeah.
11:50 And I never got that,
11:51 you know, this is very, very, very touchy.
11:53 Because, you know, last time we did this,
11:56 you know, my father was alive.
11:59 And we spoke about, you know, him, contacting me,
12:02 you know, calling me,
12:04 and, you know, me trying to reach out to him,
12:06 but at times, it would make me upset,
12:09 because the only conversation was about money,
12:12 so he became my dependent, you know.
12:16 Here I am trying to take care of my wife
12:18 and my three children
12:19 and also have another child, which is my father now.
12:23 And so, yeah, yeah, you know,
12:26 which I didn't mind but I was looking for more.
12:29 And I wanted more,
12:31 I wanted to have some conversation.
12:32 I really wanted to know who he was as a father.
12:35 You know, what did he do as a child?
12:37 What did he do as a teenager, blah, blah, blah, and so forth.
12:40 The only thing I know about my father is
12:42 he loved women and he loved alcohol.
12:45 And once in a while, he smoked.
12:47 That's the only thing.
12:50 And then unfortunately,
12:51 between the time,
12:52 last time we talked last year, or whatever,
12:56 and now my father is deceased.
13:00 And what makes it painful, is that, you know,
13:06 I stopped answering his calls.
13:09 I stopped answering his calls.
13:11 I know we talked about my restoration here.
13:14 But instead of me trying to reach out
13:18 and trying to restore something,
13:21 I stopped answering his call.
13:22 Because I always saw his calls as he needed something from me.
13:27 Was he sick? Yeah, he was sick.
13:29 And I had a conversation with my mother
13:30 and she basically,
13:32 you know, I was very upset with my mother,
13:33 but at this point, because she was like, she got involved.
13:36 And she said, "Stop doing that, you know,
13:37 stop, he'd never give you a dime in your life,
13:39 you know, whatever.
13:41 Just stop, you know, stop doing it."
13:43 And I guess being a good son,
13:45 I tried to, I listened to my mom.
13:47 And I stopped, you know, supporting my dad.
13:51 And then six to eight months later,
13:55 my dad dies.
13:57 But what makes it worse
13:58 is the month prior was my birthday.
14:01 And on my birthday, the last voice I heard,
14:05 a voicemail I heard of my dad, and he called me and he said,
14:10 I don't understand why you ignore my calls.
14:12 You know, I just want to call you
14:14 and tell you happy birthday.
14:15 That's the last,
14:17 the last time I heard any voice of my dad.
14:21 Next thing I know, he's dying.
14:24 That I got that call.
14:25 And then they said, "Hey,
14:26 he's going to be on dialysis, blah, blah, blah."
14:28 Three days later,
14:30 I got a call on my anniversary,
14:33 that my dad is dead.
14:35 I mean,
14:37 I didn't think I had emotions pertaining to my dad.
14:40 I didn't.
14:42 I didn't think, I mean, he didn't raise me.
14:44 I mean, was he involved?
14:46 No.
14:48 Can I go see him when I went to Jamaica
14:50 whatever the case may be?
14:51 Yes.
14:52 Can I speak to him on the phone,
14:54 I'll call but like I said
14:55 it was very, very simple conversation.
14:59 Can I have some money or something of that nature.
15:02 And so when my dad died on the way to Jamaica,
15:08 my wife and I driving,
15:10 I was irritated.
15:12 And then I almost pull over to the side of the road.
15:16 And I started bawling,
15:17 I started weeping. I started crying.
15:22 And I'm shocked because I'm like, hold on,
15:24 I don't know this guy for real.
15:26 I really don't know him.
15:28 I was crying two parts.
15:30 I wanted to get to know him.
15:31 And I felt guilty.
15:34 I thought I was the deadbeat son.
15:37 I felt like a deadbeat son.
15:39 I felt guilty for my dad's death.
15:42 I felt to the point
15:43 of I killed my dad
15:45 because I could have helped him.
15:48 All he was asking for was help,
15:50 and because I was angry with him
15:52 for not being my father, right, reaching out to me,
15:55 at least a point I could have learned,
15:57 at least he's reaching out to me.
15:59 At least he's reaching out to me.
16:01 So if I can just talk to sons, deadbeat sons,
16:06 those who do not want to get involved
16:08 in their father's life,
16:09 because you're in your 40s, or your 30s,
16:11 or whatever the case may be.
16:13 I mean, let's think about how Christ took His time
16:16 and waited on us.
16:18 Be involved, give them a chance.
16:19 I mean, they may not be able to play with you basketball,
16:22 whatever, just hear them out, give them a chance.
16:25 We're all humans.
16:26 So if I can just appeal to sons and even daughters
16:31 give your fathers a chance,
16:32 no matter how late it is in their life.
16:35 Absolutely. Absolutely. I can say quickly too.
16:39 The population,
16:41 interacting with that population
16:43 through the court system.
16:44 I heard a lot of their stories.
16:46 And there were those who were clearly negligent,
16:50 and they didn't care,
16:51 you know,
16:53 they were very insensitive relative
16:55 to that whole predicament.
16:56 And there were those who were guilty,
16:58 were guilty with fair explanation.
17:03 Even for some of us who had a prior marriage,
17:08 you know,
17:09 not all marriage relationships
17:11 are a wife comfortable with the husband's interaction
17:17 with a child that was birthed before their marriage.
17:20 Some wives are even upset enough
17:23 that they will not allow
17:25 their husband to have much contact,
17:28 you know, very limited.
17:30 And the end result of that is the appearance
17:34 or the outcome for that child
17:36 is that you're a deadbeat dad.
17:38 While you were at home on your knees
17:40 crying, praying, pleading,
17:42 you know, and then there's the reverse where you,
17:45 you may have a spouse, or you may be by yourself,
17:47 and there's no restriction on your side.
17:50 But the mother of that child
17:52 who is not in the home with you,
17:54 she says, well, you're just going to,
17:55 you're going to give me child support
17:57 till he reached 23,
17:58 you ain't going to never see him,
18:00 you know, whatever.
18:01 I don't care what the court says, you know,
18:02 and she will find a story,
18:04 every time we heard some fantastic stories.
18:07 Well, they will keep coming up with stories
18:09 to make the court not force
18:11 proper supervision or interaction.
18:14 Some people just learn ways
18:15 to get away with things, you know.
18:17 So there's always two sides to it.
18:19 And yes, I concur 100%, give your father a chance.
18:26 If you are that person, if you are that child, son,
18:29 if you were that daughter,
18:30 and you have a father that was not in your life
18:33 or has not been,
18:35 and he is now making that effort,
18:37 or even if it is that you are reaching out to him,
18:40 make the effort, give him the chance.
18:43 It's important.
18:44 I mean, it truly is and how do you,
18:48 how do you restore?
18:50 I don't even know how to word it.
18:53 How do you restore these fathers?
18:57 How do you even begin because you have on one hand,
19:00 you have the ones that are, as we talked about today,
19:03 deadbeat fathers,
19:04 they don't want to do anything to do with their kids
19:06 just because they don't.
19:07 Now you have the other ones that do and are trying.
19:11 But all the odds are stacked against them.
19:14 And those are the ones that are committing suicide.
19:18 So how do you merge the two?
19:20 How do you begin to work
19:22 with both populations of fathers?
19:24 So I had another father.
19:27 And that was my stepfather.
19:29 And the first 10 years or so,
19:32 it was misery for me
19:33 because here I am at nine years old,
19:38 he comes into our life, into my life.
19:40 I'm basically forced to call him daddy.
19:44 He, this is new to him also.
19:46 So we didn't get along for the first 10 years,
19:48 really didn't.
19:49 I mean, we had some face to face.
19:51 We just didn't get along.
19:53 I saw him as a neglectful father
19:55 and he saw me probably as a pest
19:57 or whatever the case may be.
19:59 I mean, we would have some problems in the home,
20:02 this is in the home.
20:04 So he could have been, like a deadbeat in the home.
20:07 But what happened is, after a while,
20:11 I started listening to him, asking him about his story.
20:17 And he would tell me about his childhood,
20:19 and how his father wasn't in his life.
20:22 And when he told me about
20:23 how his biological father was not in his life
20:27 involved in his life,
20:28 and in comparison to what he was trying to do with us,
20:31 I look back and say, "Well, hold on,
20:34 this guy took me out to basketball games.
20:36 We've played basketball together,
20:38 we've had celebrated birthdays together.
20:41 I had a list of things.
20:44 I'm just, he did this, he did this, he did this.
20:47 And I started realize, hold on,
20:49 I never really gave him a chance.
20:52 He was trying to do his best
20:55 from what he got which was nothing.
20:59 But he was trying to make it the situation best.
21:02 And so the restoration part for me
21:05 was by just simply give him the opportunity.
21:09 Now, that's my dad,
21:11 if I have a problem as adult concerned with my marriage
21:15 or children, I call him.
21:17 If I just want to talk, I call him, that's my dad.
21:21 That's my dad.
21:22 And so that's the restoration, giving the person a chance,
21:25 forgive and forget, we're not perfect.
21:27 We're not. Right.
21:29 Absolutely.
21:30 And I mean,
21:31 we may have even within our own church population,
21:33 our congregation,
21:36 fathers who satisfy that definition,
21:38 pastors themselves have to be very careful
21:42 of not being absent or present in terms of material support,
21:48 but absence as terms of that intimate relationship
21:53 and bonding that you need to have with your child
21:56 because we were always gone.
21:58 We were always somewhere else, we always got a greater crisis,
22:01 we always got a life and death situation somewhere else,
22:04 you know, and so on and so forth.
22:06 And so we too have to be careful
22:08 that we not make ourselves void
22:12 of that necessary contribution of parenting.
22:15 But once again, the men's ministry group
22:18 within your church,
22:19 if you don't have one, try to start one,
22:22 you know, because that male bonding
22:25 and that sharing and that support is crucial,
22:28 you know, for another man to sit with you
22:31 and hold hands and pray and say, you know,
22:34 I'm a friend, and I'm going to help
22:36 see you through this.
22:37 I'm going to help pray you through this,
22:40 that is very helpful.
22:41 And I learned the hard way, brother, I have to confess,
22:45 I've had a lot of fights in my life, right?
22:48 Most of my fights I lost
22:50 but the thing was, I stood up and I fought, you know.
22:54 Then in adulthood,
22:56 I adapted this same fighting principle,
22:59 even in a professional sense,
23:01 would be argumentative and all this kind of stuff,
23:03 and I learned the hard way,
23:06 that there are a lot of situations
23:08 I can't win by my brawn,
23:10 my intellect, my cunningness, my determination,
23:14 my poise, and all that kind of stuff.
23:16 Only way I can get through is to get on my knees and pray,
23:20 you know, give it over to God,
23:23 those things that are bigger than you,
23:25 I'm talking about the situations where, you know,
23:27 let's say that the brother's innocent,
23:29 so to speak,
23:30 it says ex that won't let him see the child
23:32 or is his current wife
23:34 that won't let him see the child,
23:35 you know, or whatever other limitations there may be,
23:37 you have got to pray.
23:39 You've got to get on your knees,
23:41 and stay on your knees and pray.
23:43 Get even another brother in the faith
23:46 or the family to pray with you.
23:50 But prayer changes things
23:52 and if the prayer doesn't change the situation,
23:54 certainly it will change us.
23:56 That's so critical, you know,
23:58 and one of my cousins, they shared with me.
24:03 Now they were a great support to me
24:05 when I was going through my, well my custody issues.
24:09 And they told me, you know,
24:11 Xavier, if you know, our daddy, your uncle,
24:14 if he just called us, we don't want anything,
24:19 we don't want anything extravagant from him.
24:22 We just want a phone call.
24:23 Just to call us and see how we're doing.
24:26 He doesn't have to come visit,
24:28 he doesn't even have to come for Christmas.
24:31 He said, "You know if he just call us in."
24:35 Other times we forget about that,
24:37 that a phone call can go a long way.
24:40 Just simple contact, you know,
24:42 and I'm blessed to be part of a group
24:44 called Father's Rights Movement,
24:46 you know,
24:48 advocating the family court system for equal rights,
24:53 because I can't even begin to describe it,
24:57 you know, the emotional trauma that you suffer.
25:01 People think you bring him back as your father,
25:04 but it hurts.
25:06 And I mean, is there anything else you guys
25:09 would like to add,
25:10 any other wisdom from your experiences?
25:13 Yes, just one last thing real quick.
25:16 I just really want to thank those fathers in the church
25:20 and my uncles for stepping in,
25:25 for stepping in the gap.
25:26 I just want to thank
25:28 the pastors that came to my church,
25:30 the elders, and my uncles, they really saved my life.
25:35 You know, they really saved my life,
25:36 these helps and God snatched me out of darkness.
25:41 So I just want to thank them, you know,
25:42 and that's what we need to do, be father figures, you know,
25:47 righteous father figures to those young men
25:49 and young ladies in our churches,
25:51 in our communities.
25:53 Yeah.
25:54 And our fellow brethren
25:55 who are fathers that are not meeting the mark,
25:58 so to speak.
25:59 Mentorship goes far away.
26:01 It's not just to those who are younger,
26:03 but for the at-risk population of fathers that are not fathers
26:08 that are dysfunctional.
26:11 Sharing the big picture does help.
26:14 When I sit down with that person,
26:16 whether this is someone incarcerated,
26:19 or someone that was recently released from jail or such,
26:23 the big picture helps, and that is to let them know,
26:27 look at what your absence is contributing to.
26:31 So I show them the plight of society in general,
26:33 I show them the plight of our race,
26:35 the plight of our culture, the plight of community,
26:38 and say, all these deficits that you can identify,
26:42 this is what you're contributing to,
26:44 you can make that change.
26:46 I appreciate you guys sharing with us
26:48 and wish we had more time, but we don't.
26:50 And for the viewers out there,
26:53 you know, if you are,
26:55 let's say, a deadbeat father,
26:57 because you choose not to be in your child's life.
26:59 Well, guess what?
27:00 Even on your tombstone, you still be a father,
27:03 you'd still be labeled as a father
27:05 and your children will walk a wreckage
27:07 because you're not there.
27:09 So do yourself a favor, step up,
27:11 even if it's just a phone call.
27:13 And for those fathers that are not deadbeats,
27:17 but you're struggling through the system,
27:19 maybe you're struggling spiritually, emotionally.
27:23 You know, it's okay. Don't give up.
27:26 Something that my wife told me is to pray for my ex.
27:29 Did it make sense?
27:30 But I spent many years and by the grace of God,
27:32 we have a great co-parenting relationship.
27:36 And I see my daughter whenever I want.
27:38 But that's only by the grace of God.
27:41 So don't give up hope.
27:42 Don't, they need you,
27:43 don't commit suicide
27:45 because you'll be gone eternally.
27:48 I get choked up thinking about it.
27:50 Please, just hang in there.
27:53 Do yourself a favor, become a father.
27:55 And God bless you.
27:57 Thank you for watching.


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