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00:02 So Blue Mountain Television
00:03 is located in Walla Walla, Washington. 00:06 We're headed to do some filming 00:08 for a hometown show. 00:12 I love that we're getting out into the field with it. 00:16 I don't know 00:17 exactly when we started airing Adventures in Missions. 00:21 way back. 00:25 He's been a minister in his church for 40 years. 00:28 And so, I mean, this man is dedicated. 00:31 He has lived his entire life, 00:33 you know, serving his congregation. 00:35 His goal is to reach other congregations with the Sabbath. 00:39 And he's talked to the president. 00:41 He's talked to all the main leaders, 00:43 and they listen very politely. 00:45 They don't disagree with him. 00:48 But it's a big cost to change what you have done. 00:53 My wife and 00:54 I actually recently returned from a trip in Papua, Indonesia, 00:57 and we were just amazed at the work that's happening there. 01:01 This is an exciting new frontier for Gospel Outreach. 01:04 We are reaching out to very 01:06 remote areas that are in desperate need of Jesus. 01:11 Welcome to Adventures in Missions. 01:13 I'm Julie and it's so great to have you 01:15 as a part of our family here 01:16 at Gospel Outreach, as we share Jesus in the 1040 window. 01:20 Gospel Outreach presents Adventures 01:23 in Missions. 01:41 So Blue Mountain Television is located 01:42 in Walla Walla, Washington. 01:44 We've just bought a Baptist church that we are converting 01:48 into studio space. 01:49 And has office space in it as well. 01:52 It's already out there. 01:54 There's none in the cameras, so we'll have to load up 01:58 them up when we get in. 02:03 My name is Lowell Man. 02:04 I'm the content delivery manager here after the mountain. 02:06 Television. 02:08 Blue Mountain Television has been a great supporter 02:10 of Gospel Outreach by airing our TV shows. 02:13 I have the opportunity of hosting 02:15 shows on both Blue Mountain Television and Gospel Outreach. 02:19 It's a joy to be able to share the love of Jesus 02:22 through these shows. 02:24 So we got the three monitors. 02:32 We're in Dayton, Washington. 02:34 We're headed to do some filming for hometown show. 02:39 we started hometown in the fall of 2023. 02:43 So we're still in season one, and we're headed down here 02:47 first. 02:50 I was going to say. 02:51 We're just left. 02:58 We are on location for hometown. 03:00 Blue Mountain Television's a new TV show. 03:03 I'm here with Carmen and the whole crew, 03:05 and we've had a great time, haven't we, Carmen have? 03:08 Yeah. 03:08 And so we've been able 03:10 to be here today on location with Blue Mountain Television. 03:12 And it's awesome to be part of Blue Mountain Television. 03:15 I've been doing this for a long time, 03:16 and it's really great to have this new show. 03:20 You've got kind of that in the background of the one shot. 03:23 You might have to pull this up closer a little bit. 03:25 The goal of hometown is to connect 03:27 with our own community right here where we live. 03:30 What are they excited about? What matters to them? 03:33 It feels like we could do like a bulk of an interview here. 03:38 And take one 03:40 on the historical register. 03:43 I love that 03:44 we're getting out 03:45 into the field with it, 03:46 which is something we've wanted to do for a long time. 03:49 And we we finally made ourselves do it. 03:51 You know, it's so much more work production wise to be out 03:55 in the field with our cameras, but it's much more rewarding. 03:59 Exactly. On time, of course. 04:00 Productions always go always on time. 04:02 Yeah, yeah. 04:07 I'm Lynelle Ellis and I'm executive director here 04:10 at Blue Mountain Broadcasting, which is just a small role 04:13 just a few hours a week, actually helping 04:15 to kind of guide our great team that we have here. 04:19 111D take one. 04:22 from the very first time I heard about Gospel Outreach and it's 04:26 paradigm, really the way Gospel Outreach is set up 04:30 to reach indigenous peoples 04:31 with indigenous peoples ministering to them. 04:35 I just remember being super inspired and going, that is it. 04:38 That is the way that is so cool. 04:39 And so I have been a fan from the first time 04:43 I heard about it, which was from Frank Stanyer. 04:45 So a long time ago. 04:47 I've appreciated seeing how God has been able 04:50 to use both of these organizations 04:51 in spreading the gospel and showing the love of Jesus 04:54 to the people of Walla Walla Valley area and far beyond. 04:59 As far as Gospel Outreach 05:01 goes, they're trying to get the message out themselves. 05:04 And when you tap into an organization 05:06 like Blue Mountain Television, that's another arm that 05:10 Gospel Outreach wouldn't have had without 05:13 the use of Blue Mountain Television. 05:17 This is seen 107D take one. 05:20 I don't know exactly when we started airing 05:22 Adventures in Missions, 05:24 way back, I mean, 05:27 early on in the advent Adventures in Missions story 05:31 when it began, I think as soon as it was available. 05:35 We've been partnering with that for a really long time. 05:38 I feel like it's important to work together because we can. 05:43 Different people have different skills, 05:45 and as we come together, we can grow things so much more. 05:49 For organizations that are, like you just said, 05:53 like minded organizations where we feel that same calling 05:57 the yeah, 05:58 one one might be in other places in the world 06:00 and one might be right here at home, 06:02 but it's the same calling to share 06:05 Jesus with people, to share about God's kingdom with people, 06:08 to connect people with him, and with other people 06:11 who also believe. 06:14 To be able to partner with others 06:17 that have that same goal strengthens everybody. 06:21 When we work together towards a common 06:23 goal of sharing Jesus locally and around the world, 06:26 I believe the Lord blesses those efforts. 06:28 Everybody has a screen in front of them 06:30 and it's through this medium 06:32 that we're able to share what's going on at Gospel 06:34 Outreach through Adventures in Missions. 06:36 And thank you to Blue Mountain 06:37 Television for airing destination 1040 06:40 and Gospel Outreach is show Adventures in Missions 06:43 because we are wanting to meet people where they are. 06:46 And there is good news on these screens, 06:48 and that's what we're wanting to share with all of you. 06:51 What would you say 06:51 to people who feel that calling, 06:53 but think that maybe now is not the time? 06:56 It is the time. 06:58 and you don't have to be qualified in some specific way. 07:02 If you're going to wait 07:03 until the time is right, the time will never be right. 07:06 So if you're feeling like you don't have everything you need 07:09 and you're kind of helpless, that's probably your best moment 07:13 or your best opportunity to go do something for him. 07:16 Scene 111 B2 take one. 07:21 Scene 111 B2 take one. 07:23 That was great. 07:32 Dave and Rosa Gillham welcome here to Adventures in Mission. 07:35 Thanks. Good to be here. It's always nice to see you both. 07:38 So why don't you share with our viewers, 07:40 your exciting 07:41 roles here at Gospel Outreach and what your jobs entail? 07:44 Okay. 07:45 I am vice president for field operations, 07:48 which basically means my work is 07:52 the 1040 window. 07:53 We have several regional directors 07:55 who go to various places in charge 07:57 of various areas of the world, and I work and support them. 08:01 And, try to help, 08:03 nurture them 08:04 and provide resources for them as they minister 08:07 to the various parts of the world. 08:09 So you mentioned 1040 window. 08:11 So maybe there's someone who has just turned 08:13 on to Adventures in Missions. 08:14 What is a 1040 window? Dave? 08:16 Great question. Yeah. 1040 window. 08:18 It actually refers to the latitude. 08:20 So we find out about most of the world's population live 08:24 in a band of about ten degrees north of the equator, 08:27 up to about 40 degrees north of the equator. 08:29 And the vast majority of those people 08:32 really don't know anything about Christ. Yeah. 08:34 So we're talking countries from West Africa 08:37 through the Middle East and Asia. 08:39 Exactly. Yeah. 08:40 And Rosa, what do you do here at Gospel Outreach? 08:43 I try to assist however I can with, 08:47 David and and Jeff and and Brent, but 08:50 I am also the treasurer and so I'm so grateful 08:55 for all the wonderful support and donations that come in. 08:59 And, and we are so anxious to make sure that those moneys 09:03 are used. 09:04 The intent of all these wonderful donors 09:07 that want to see the gospel 09:08 go to the world and Jesus come soon. 09:11 Absolutely, absolutely. 09:13 So you mentioned the regional directors, but they are 09:17 then working with the Gospel Out 09:19 who are in all of these countries, correct 09:21 the way the system is set up. 09:22 We work closely with the Seventh Day Adventist Church. 09:24 As you know, Gospel Outreach is a nonprofit supporting ministry 09:28 of the seventh day Adventist Church, 09:30 and we team up with the local missions or regions or sections 09:33 or conferences, as they're called in various places. 09:36 And they find, workers to that 09:39 are excited about Jesus Christ wanting to share the gospel. 09:42 We support them by finance, financial means, as well as, 09:47 regional training, 09:49 and support. 09:50 So that's kind of kind of the way it works. 09:52 Yeah, absolutely. 09:53 So in essence, we are taking Matthew 09:56 28 where it says, go into all the world. 09:59 And we're trying to hurry this along. Right? 10:00 Because for the three of us to go to India 10:03 and learn Hindi, for example, how long is that going to take? 10:06 So by this, by this model, as you said, 10:10 Dave, to have people who are in the villages, 10:12 they know the language, they, they know all of of the culture. 10:15 It's wonderful. Yeah. So they can rub shoulders. 10:18 So that gives us some background on both of you. 10:21 So you were able to go to some exciting meetings and, again, 10:26 rub shoulders with our brothers and sisters there. 10:28 why don't you both share a little bit about that? 10:30 Sure. In, 10:33 early this year, I think it was February. 10:34 We had some meetings in India, and these were unique 10:38 because it's the first time ever 10:41 that we've had everybody in the entire division, 10:43 all the leaders in the entire division. 10:45 I'm talking about all of India. 10:47 And there were hundreds of, leaders that came in. 10:50 We're talking about the division president and the treasurer 10:54 in the secretary, all of the officers, 10:56 as well as in the union, as well as in the the conference 11:00 or mission or section level, all came to Hyderabad. 11:04 as you know, in the Adventist church, the elections, 11:06 the major elections are about every five years. 11:09 And so we had a huge turnover in people who are supporting 11:13 and supervising the Gospel Outreach workers in the area. 11:16 So we wanted to make sure that they instead 11:19 of having multiple trainings 11:20 all over India, that might take years. 11:23 Yeah. 11:24 We decided to just go ahead and bring them all into Hyderabad 11:27 and, have a training that was just generally cover 11:31 everything like that. Wonderful. 11:32 So about how many people Rosa. 11:34 There were over 300 about. 11:37 Close to 400. Wow. Okay. 11:39 And how many days was this conference? 11:41 Tuesday through Sabbath. 11:42 Okay, good. 11:43 So you were able to spend some quality time together? 11:47 Well, this is exciting. 11:48 So that way what? Dave. 11:50 So then the leadership knows exactly what Gospel Outreach 11:54 is all about and how we're trying to work 11:56 together and all of that. 11:58 Yes. Because, everybody has their own idea about what 12:01 Gospel Outreach is, and some people have 12:03 probably over there have probably never heard of it. 12:05 And so we have very 12:07 careful procedures that have been listed out, 12:09 how they support and supervise 12:11 and care for the Gospel Outreach workers. 12:13 And we find out 12:14 the more they are trained 12:16 and the more supervision and care and nurture 12:18 that the Gospel Outreach workers have, 12:20 the more effective they can be. 12:22 So we just want to make sure 12:23 that they're equipped with the right tools. 12:25 Now, when you get this many people together 12:29 and everybody starts talking and sharing, 12:31 I know that there are some stories 12:33 that come out of a meeting like this. Absolutely. 12:36 This is the skyline of Hyderabad, India. 12:39 It's a bustling city of millions of people. 12:41 And you can see the 12:43 from our motel or retreat center. 12:45 There was a major construction going on. 12:47 And then here is actually inside this retreat center. 12:49 Our president, Brant Scully, and some of the helpers, 12:53 all of us teamed up to participate in this event. 12:57 This gentleman that's on his knees, 13:00 is a Pentecostal, a former Pentecostal pastor, 13:04 and he's from the state of, 13:06 Kerala, which is in south west India. 13:09 There we go. 13:10 Anyway, he he's been a minister in his church for 40 years. 13:15 And so, I mean, this man is dedicated. 13:17 He has lived his entire life, 13:19 you know, serving his congregation 13:22 and not only his own congregation, but he, 13:26 was an assisted the assistant or one of the assistance 13:29 to the president of the entire world 13:31 church for the Pentecostal church. 13:33 Oh, wow. 13:34 So we're talking thousands of churches, 13:37 and he knows the leaders, the very top leaders. 13:39 Anyway, he started learning about the Sabbath 13:42 and just became convicted. 13:45 I think it was about a year ago. 13:47 And so he gradually, 13:50 as he learned more and more, he became more convicted. 13:52 And finally he just says, 13:53 I've got to be a Seventh day Adventist. 13:55 Wow. Because because of the Sabbath. 13:58 And so he came to the meetings and, 14:01 doesn't speak any English, 14:02 but we were able to meet him and talk to him. 14:04 And just amazing person. 14:06 He's got his hands raised up. 14:07 May we be doing more of that? 14:09 I love that, I love that, and so there now in the process 14:13 of making videos that they've asked him 14:16 to make some videos, his goal is to reach other 14:20 congregations with the Sabbath. 14:22 And he's talked to the president, he's 14:23 talked to all the main leaders, and they listen very politely. 14:28 They don't disagree with them. Right. 14:30 But it's a big cost to change what you have done. 14:35 So he ask us very, very passionately, please pray. 14:40 Please pray for all these dear people because they know. 14:45 But to make a change is means, yeah, 14:49 rejection by family and friends and all your congregation. 14:53 Sometimes. And it's very difficult. 14:55 Yeah. 14:56 And, and, you know, speaking of that, 14:57 so many people are going through, through that in life, 15:01 in so many different areas and like how Jesus was rejected. 15:05 Jesus was rejected and, yeah, absolutely. 15:08 We will pray. We need to pray for this man. 15:10 So what are you doing here, Rosa? 15:12 Well, 15:13 because of all of these leaders and the change in everything, 15:16 I did a presentation how to use our platform 15:20 for gathering reports for from all of our Gospel 15:24 Outreach workers around the 1040 window. 15:28 And so I went through all the techie details 15:33 of how to make the 15:34 reports, where we can get reports of their stories. 15:37 Yes, because we need them here. 15:39 Yes we do. 15:40 And and our donors love hearing what stories are coming 15:44 in, as well as the baptisms, the Bible studies going on and 15:49 and that kind of thing. 15:50 And so that's what I was doing there. 15:52 And I love to see, the women there. 15:55 And so I realized that these were that these were meetings. 15:58 Rosa. 15:59 But can you speak a little bit 16:00 about what's going on with women and children? 16:02 Are there leadership for women? 16:03 Well, the women. 16:05 I met the 16:07 the wife of one of the division leaders who happens to be 16:12 the women's ministry leader for the entire division. 16:16 And this dear lady, she also asked to have prayer 16:18 because she was on her way 16:20 right from the meetings to travel by herself 16:23 all the way up into Nepal, and that she's doing VBS. 16:28 trainings for Vacation Bible School trainings, 16:32 as well as prayer, 16:34 leadership that is 16:35 for the women and just many different things. 16:39 But she is, of course 16:41 asking for donations 16:43 also to help with even sewing machines 16:46 and different things for the women so they can have, 16:50 different kinds of ministry outreaches as well. 16:53 Sure. Yeah. So prayers for that. 16:55 Pray for that. Yeah. 16:56 And another way that we work with the ladies too, 17:00 you'll see here a group of five women here 17:05 and there, young ladies that have just graduated from, 17:08 Spicer, I believe most all of them have graduated from Spicer, 17:12 except the one lady. And with the white shawl. 17:15 She is a wife of a pastor there. 17:17 And Spicer, is that the college in India? Yes. 17:21 And they are single ladies, 17:25 but they have been asked to be spiritual mentors 17:29 in some of our Adventist schools there, because, 17:32 all right, we have huge Adventist schools in India, 17:36 and most of the people that the students are attending 17:39 are not Adventists. 17:41 And they come from many kinds of backgrounds. 17:44 And so these young ladies came and just shared 17:47 what they were doing on these different campuses 17:50 to reach the hearts and the lives and the minds of 17:54 of all of these young people and their families 17:57 and playing games with them, doing crafts, 18:00 taking care of some of their owies, 18:02 and they come in for whatever it is, you know. Yes. 18:04 I need a kiss Right here, on my elbow, 18:08 you know, and 18:09 they were and they sang songs for us and they 18:11 let out music with these kids and and just such a ministry. 18:16 Well, this is why I'm glad. 18:17 I'm glad to hear about that. 18:18 Because, you know, the we 18:21 as we sit here, there's 18:22 so many things that we always need to cover. 18:24 But I've always wanted to know 18:25 what's going on with women, what's going on 18:27 with the children and and how are we? 18:29 How are we reaching them. 18:30 The men of course there are, there are cultural, 18:32 taboos and so on that they cannot 18:34 talk to a woman or get into a woman's house. 18:36 But the ladies are powerful, and it's just a wonderful thing. 18:39 Yeah, wonderful. 18:40 So, Bibles talk with me about Bibles. 18:44 one of the things that we and we challenge the leaders 18:47 in the division to do, in fact, 18:49 we had a whole session where each of the union 18:52 and there's like seven, 6 or 7 unions in India. 18:55 They all broke up and had a planning session, 18:57 and they came back and presented a plan of how 18:59 they are going to present the gospel in their area 19:03 and have evangelistic meetings. 19:05 And, we recently just got word back from East 19:09 India, central East Central India Union. 19:12 That's a mouthful. That's a mouthful. 19:13 Anyway, they, they had, meetings all over their area. 19:20 we gave them, I think it was $10,000 worth of Bibles, 19:24 and they were 19:25 able to have a meetings, and they had 19:27 over 3000, 3 to 4000 baptisms, just about a mon- 19:30 two months ago now. 19:31 And you just heard that. 19:32 So so that's a is in Hindi though, right? 19:35 It depends on what language they have. 19:37 They had some in Hindi I think in some other languages. 19:39 But but yeah, we provided Bibles in their language. 19:42 We were very pleased when we went to India. 19:44 You want to tell them about the God pods? 19:46 Oh yes. 19:47 Who were very happy to, to listen to to have AWR 19:52 there to 19:53 partner with them, but they can order the God pods 19:57 which have all the Bible plus other resource materials 20:00 on them 20:01 right there in India, 20:03 rather than having to send over everything. 20:06 And so I don't remember the 20:08 leader's name, 20:10 but they had some ladies there with him that work with him, 20:13 but that gave them their, email addresses and information. 20:18 So our gospel workers can all order what they need in language 20:22 and they like that. 20:23 Well, 20:25 and that's my other hat that I wear with, the Bible 20:26 and living sound, 20:27 because this is very important that we have these are 20:31 the readings of the Bible, the Bible stories, what I do, 20:34 to have them 20:35 in the different languages so that people can have them 20:37 on the God pods, they're solar powered. 20:39 They're they're just fantastic big supporters of those here. 20:42 Gospel Outreach and we are. Yeah. 20:45 So there's exciting new growth there in in this area. 20:48 And then you also were able on your way home then 20:52 to pop by another country in the 1040 window. 20:55 And where was that? 20:57 Well, we were fortunate to go, 20:59 through Thailand on the way home. 21:01 We only had 3 or 4 days, 21:03 but we stopped at the Thailand mission. 21:04 We have work in Thailand with several Bible workers, 21:07 and we are looking to expand, quite a bit in Thailand. 21:12 but the need is so great among the Buddhist there. And, 21:15 and, here you see a picture of the 21:18 Thai mission president and the treasurer and secretary that, 21:22 Rosa and I are meeting with them, 21:24 and they're just so excited about what 21:26 Gospel Outreach is doing, and they're wanting more workers. 21:30 we recently, started sponsoring a wonderful school program. 21:34 And there that the kids from Myanmar come across the river, 21:39 to go to school and to go to school. 21:41 And there they go home and then, well, 21:43 there's a boarding school, so they actually stay stay there. 21:45 Okay, a part time and there's a couple of 21:47 there's three schools, part of the school system. 21:49 Two of them are actually in Myanmar. 21:51 So you got to go across the river in the Myanmar. 21:54 And there is two jungle schools. 21:55 Ironically enough, they are in the same area. 21:58 And that Eric B Hare many years ago. 22:01 Yeah. 22:01 And so it's really interesting 22:02 that what's happening God is just opening up the work, 22:05 wonderfully. Talk about Thailand and yes, here's a picture. 22:09 Yeah, that's the guy we're competing with. yeah. 22:12 And our guys are powerful, right? 22:13 For sure. 22:15 They make these huge statues and people, of course, 22:18 you know, worship them. 22:19 And they try to do good works in order to keep from 22:22 getting set back 22:23 as a bug in the next life and all this kind of stuff is 22:26 the blessing is that we serve a living God, 22:29 and our God is alive and standing and not lying down. 22:32 And, we have we have a lot of work to do still, don't we, amen 22:35 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 22:37 I just want to say thank you 22:38 to all the donors for the tremendous support. 22:40 We were able to add over 100 Bible workers already. 22:42 We have about another hundred. 22:44 We want to add. 22:45 Good, good. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. 22:47 We are just thrilled that God is at work 22:51 behind the scenes where we know nothing of it's all true. 22:55 And soon we'll hear the stories. 22:58 Yes, absolutely. Well, thank you to both of you. 23:00 And thank you for being here on Adventures in Missions. 23:04 Today I want to talk to you about the country of Indonesia. 23:07 Now, Indonesia is comprised of over 14,000 islands 23:11 with 6000 of those islands inhabited. Throughout 23:15 those 6000 islands is hundreds of languages and dialects. 23:19 But today, I want to talk to you 23:20 specifically about one of those islands, Papua, Indonesia. 23:24 Papua Indonesia is a province of Indonesia, 23:28 and it borders to the east of Papua New Guinea. 23:31 The focus of Gospel Outreach has always been to sponsor 23:33 workers within unreached 23:35 areas, and Papua Indonesia is no exception to that. 23:39 In fact, I've heard it said that 90% of the villages in Papua, 23:43 Indonesia are incredibly remote and difficult to access now. 23:47 Gospel Outreach has been sponsoring for workers 23:49 in this area over the past few years, but we recently added 23:53 25 new workers in remote areas throughout Papua, Indonesia. 23:59 This is an exciting new frontier for Gospel Outreach. 24:02 We are reaching out to very remote areas 24:05 that are in desperate need of Jesus. 24:08 It would be nearly impossible 24:09 to reach these areas without the support of Adventist 24:12 Aviation flying us into these locations. 24:15 Our workers in this area 24:17 are also managed by Adventist Aviation, 24:19 so without them this would be impossible 24:21 and we want to thank them for their support in this work. 24:24 With these 25 new workers, we now have 29 workers 24:28 sponsored by Gospel Outreach in Papua, Indonesia. 24:31 And we want to ask you to pray for these workers. 24:35 The places they are in are very, very remote. 24:38 My wife and I 24:39 actually recently returned from a trip in Papua, Indonesia, 24:43 and we were just amazed at the work that's happening there. 24:46 We went to a place where it was an eight day 24:48 trek to get there, or we had to fly in with Adventist Aviation. 24:52 We spent time trekking with the people, 24:54 staying with the people in their homes, worshiping with them. 24:57 And we can tell you firsthand that the work happening 25:01 there is definitely a godsend for these people. 25:04 And they're learning more about Jesus through education. 25:07 They're learning more about Jesus through the Bible. 25:09 Work is being done, 25:10 and we are providing health work for the people of this area. 25:15 In fact, there is a very remote clinic 25:17 in which people will walk for three days to come and visit. 25:21 While my wife and I were there, we met a couple that walked 25:23 three days to come and visit the clinic 25:26 because their only option is a three day trek to our clinic, 25:30 or an eight day trek to any road 25:32 where they can get access to any other type of medical help. 25:36 We want to thank you for your continued 25:38 support of this ministry. 25:40 It would not be possible without the generous donations 25:43 and the prayers that come from people like you. 25:46 So continue to pray for these people in Papua, Indonesia. 25:50 Continue to pray that this work continues to grow 25:53 because we are just barely touching the surface of the need 25:58 in this area. 25:59 If you want to learn 26:00 more about Gospel Outreach, you can go to the website, 26:02 goaim.org 26:05 Thank you for giving me this time today. 26:07 Until next time, God bless you. 26:08 Get involved and I will see you in the next episode. 26:13 Thank you so 26:14 much for being part of the Gospel Outreach Family, 26:17 and we pray the Lord's blessings on you as you share 26:20 Jesus with the people that you rub shoulders 26:22 with on a daily basis. 26:24 May the Lord bless you today. |
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