Participants: Doug Batchelor
Series Code: AOT
Program Code: AOT000038
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00:12 Welcome to Anchors of Truth live from Sacramento California.
00:17 Doctrines That Divide with Doug Batchelor. 00:22 Well, we are live from Sacramento California. 00:25 We are here in the Central Seventh-day Adventist Church, 00:29 which is the church that Pastor Doug Batchelor has been 00:33 the pastor of for many many years. 00:36 A wonderful place and friendly congregation. 00:40 Camille and I have really enjoyed getting acquainted with 00:43 a whole new group of people here that we have never met before. 00:47 This was my first trip to Sacramento Central. 00:50 I've been to other churches in the area, but this was 00:53 my first trip here. 00:55 And we are so excited about this series. 00:58 We're receiving so many emails and messages from around 01:02 the world telling us that they are really learning a lot 01:07 from watching Pastor Doug and Pastor Barney 01:11 as they debate on these extremely important subjects. 01:18 Tonight is another one; a truth that divides. 01:21 People thinking one way about a truth that the Bible 01:25 really we believe is so clear on but that man has distorted. 01:30 And tonight, we're going to look at those texts 01:35 that involve the second coming of Jesus Christ. 01:40 What does it really mean? 01:42 You know, there are those that have predicted that Christ 01:45 was coming back. 01:46 In fact, this very year, one gentleman has predicted twice 01:52 two different dates. 01:54 And now both of those dates have passed. 01:58 You see, Christ said, "No one knows the day nor the hour." 02:02 So there was one thing for sure, that when those two days 02:06 were predicted, we knew that He wasn't coming on that day. 02:10 Because then the Bible would not have been true. 02:14 Someone would have known the day and the hour. 02:19 And it just was not to be. 02:22 Why don't we have a word of prayer right now and ask 02:25 the Lord to be with us in this very important subject tonight. 02:29 Father in heaven, we believe with all of our hearts that 02:32 Jesus Christ is coming back, and coming back soon. 02:38 We, as Seventh-day Adventists, have even that great teaching 02:43 as a part, Lord, of our name. 02:46 And so we do believe it, we proclaim it. 02:50 But we believe that what the Bible teaches, that no man knows 02:54 the day nor the hour, is so very true. 02:57 And so, it is so important for us to be ready at all times 03:03 for the second coming of Jesus. 03:07 Tonight, Father, as the Word of God is opened by 03:11 Pastor Doug Batchelor, we pray that you will lead him 03:15 and guide him and direct him in this study. 03:19 In Jesus' name, amen. 03:23 Pastor Doug Batchelor, we welcome you to your 03:26 own platform here. 03:31 I was so glad to see you. 03:32 You kind of paused there for a minute and gave me pause. 03:36 I wasn't ready to be Pastor Barney tonight. 03:40 Well, we could switch sides and see how you do as Pastor Doug. 03:42 Yea well, I think I could do better as Pastor Doug than 03:46 I could as Pastor Barney when it comes to the teachings 03:49 that you and I both believe. 03:51 Well, you're an evangelist in your own right. 03:53 And I know that you've covered this subject before also. 03:58 A very important subject that a lot of people misunderstand. 04:01 It really is. 04:02 And there is a lot of misunderstanding on this subject 04:05 and it's important that we get it right. 04:09 You know, that's one of the things about the subjects 04:11 you're talking about is, these are vital subjects. 04:15 You know, there are some things that you might say, 04:17 well whether it's this way or that, not very many by the way, 04:21 but there may be some minor things. 04:23 These are not minor, these are very major things. 04:27 And the opportunity is there for Satan to bring about 04:32 deception if we believe the wrong thing. 04:35 That's right, knowing the truth on these subjects 04:37 is especially important in the last days. 04:39 You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. 04:43 God bless you. 04:44 Thank you so much, Pastor Gilley. 04:46 And welcome, friends, to a fresh installment 04:52 of Doctrines That Divide. 04:54 And there may be some who are joining right now 04:56 for the first time and you're wondering what all this means. 05:00 I wasn't trying to match the set. 05:02 This is because it's a visual medium. 05:04 And we are really dealing with two pastors 05:08 on the right and the left here... 05:10 The sheep and the goats. No, not really. 05:12 ...that are going to be talking about different 05:15 sides of an issue. 05:16 Now, I am a Christian. 05:18 I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 05:20 I have not always been a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 05:23 When I first accepted Christ, I spent a lot of time studying 05:27 with people from other evangelical mainline 05:31 Christian churches. 05:32 I worshipped with them; lovely people. 05:36 But their doctrines disagree. 05:38 Not only with each other, in many cases. 05:41 You know, I studied with some dear Christians that said, 05:43 "Unless you speak in tongues, you don't have the Holy Spirit." 05:45 Or "Unless you're a member of our church, 05:47 you're not one of the 144,000." 05:49 And just all these different doctrines, I just prayed 05:54 and said, "Lord, I want to know the truth." 05:56 I want to know what the Bible truth is. 05:58 I believe before Jesus comes back, that He's going to 06:01 have a unified people. 06:03 When Christ ascended to heaven, He poured out the Holy Spirit on 06:07 the church and they were in one place of one accord. 06:12 I am simple enough to believe that when Jesus comes back, 06:15 He can do it again. 06:17 I think before the Lord returns, He will again pour out 06:20 His Spirit and that people will unite. 06:22 And they're going to unite based on praying together 06:25 and studying together. 06:27 Yes, even some of the things they disagree on. 06:30 Now, tonight you'll see me from time to time stand over here. 06:35 And I'm going to pretty much represent Pastor Doug. 06:38 And then when I'm standing over here, I represent 06:41 a pastor I've sort of fabricated called Pastor Barney. 06:45 And someone said, "Pastor Doug, if you think that you're 06:47 on the side of truth, why did you put the white on this side? 06:51 Wouldn't you want the white to be on that side 06:54 like the light of truth, or something?" 06:57 I said, "When have you ever seen me wear white when I preach?" 07:01 This is actually Pastor Barney Hinn. 07:03 So he sometimes wears white. 07:05 But I really want to talk about these important differences that 07:11 can confuse people, and especially in the last days. 07:16 Now tonight's subject is dealing with the apex of history. 07:21 Oh, did you notice I've got a white shoe? 07:25 I got an inkwell. 07:26 Somebody brought me one and I said, "Hey, it fits." 07:30 A girl emailed me on Facebook, or Facebooked me, and she said, 07:34 "Are you going to bleach one side of your mustache?" 07:38 I thought they were already bleached. 07:39 It's called gray hair. But anyway. 07:42 The message tonight is dealing with the second coming; 07:46 the climax of history or the apex of history. 07:49 And understanding the truth on this subject is crucial. 07:53 Now you remember when Jesus came the first time. 07:56 There were over a hundred prophecies in the Old Testament 08:00 that talked about the first coming of Jesus. 08:03 But the disciples misunderstood the nature of His first coming. 08:07 Not only the Jewish people were not ready. 08:09 I mean when the wise men came to Jerusalem and said, 08:12 "Where is He that is born King of the Jews?" 08:15 they looked at each other and thought, "What?" 08:17 When He came the first time, His own people with 08:20 the Bible of the day, were not ready. 08:24 Because the devil had confused them regarding the doctrines 08:27 of how He was coming. 08:30 Could that happen again to His people? 08:33 I think the devil, if anything, has sharpened his skills and 08:36 he is doing the same thing in the last days. 08:38 He's confusing the majority, I believe, of Christian people 08:43 regarding the Bible truth about how He's coming. 08:47 You remember when Jesus came, the disciples said, 08:50 Acts chapter 1 verse 6, "Therefore when they 08:53 came together, they asked Jesus, saying, 'Lord, will You 08:57 at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?'" 09:00 They had these fabricated notions that the Messiah was 09:03 going to come and just overthrow and subjugate the Romans 09:07 and exalt them to the glory of the former kingdom 09:10 from the days of David. 09:12 And Jesus just shook His head. 09:13 He'd been with them three and a half years 09:16 and they still didn't understand. 09:18 Luke 24:21, after Jesus died and rose, He appeared to 09:22 some of the disciples. 09:23 And they told Jesus, didn't even know it was Jesus 09:25 they were talking to... 09:31 They had this completely false nationalistic carnal 09:35 interpretation of the first coming of the Messiah. 09:38 And they were so disappointed because it didn't happen. 09:42 Could it happen again that the church is 09:44 misinterpreting the prophecies? 09:47 We need to understand. 09:48 Now, there are quite a few prophecies in the Bible. 09:52 About a hundred prophecies deal the first coming. 09:55 And there's nearly three hundred, I think is was 09:57 Dwight Moody that came up with that number, 10:00 that deal with the second coming of Jesus. 10:03 The good news is, Jesus did come the first time 10:06 just as it was prophesied. 10:07 If we've got three hundred prophecies that say He's coming 10:10 a second time, then we should be encouraged He will come. 10:15 But how is He coming? 10:16 And not understanding that can leave us exposed to great 10:20 disappointment and even loss. 10:22 We can even be eternally lost. 10:23 Let me explain why. 10:26 There are approximately three major interpretations 10:31 regarding the second coming. 10:32 There's one that's called, preterism. 10:35 And people that believe this are called preterists. 10:37 And it comes from the word "pre" which means, before. 10:41 They believe that most of the prophecies from Daniel 10:44 and Revelation are all in the past, they've all happened. 10:48 They think that most of those prophecies were fulfilled 10:51 by the time John finished the book of Revelation, 10:54 around the time of the destruction of Jerusalem, 10:56 somewhere between 70 and 100 AD. 10:59 They think all of Revelation is in the past already. 11:02 They think Nero was the antichrist. 11:04 Now that is the smallest of the three groups. 11:07 The two major groups are what we're going to be addressing 11:10 tonight between Pastor Barney and I. 11:13 And that has to do with historicism or the historicists. 11:17 That's what most of the Protestant reformers were. 11:19 They believed that the prophecies of Daniel and 11:22 Revelation, they're covering the panorama of history. 11:27 And some are in the past, some are still in the future. 11:30 But it gives a scope of God leading His people over time. 11:35 And then a newly formed very popular group 11:39 are the futurists, or futurism. 11:42 And the futurists, if I was to summarize what it believes, 11:47 it has become very popular through a series of books 11:51 called, the Left Behind series. 11:54 You go back 150 years, virtually no Christians believed in the 11:58 futuristic interpretation of prophecy. 12:00 It is a fairly new invention. 12:03 Oh, and I think you might find it interesting to know, 12:05 preterism was developed by a man named Luis De Alcazar. 12:11 He lived between 1554 and 1613, a Jesuit. 12:17 Futurism was written up by a Jesuit doctor of theology, 12:21 Francisco Ribera, sometime around 1560. 12:25 And both of these other notions of prophetic interpretation; 12:29 and you can read this, this is in the history books. 12:32 I don't think even Pastor Barney will disagree with this, 12:34 so I'm still in the mediator position here. 12:37 This is just facts of history what the origins 12:40 of these things are. 12:41 Futurism, which differs from what we believe as 12:45 Seventh-day Adventists, states these things. 12:48 First of all, the secret rapture is silent and invisible. 12:54 Seven major points of difference. 12:57 Two, the secret rapture leaves the wicked alive 13:00 after the Lord comes to take the righteous away. 13:03 Three, God removes the righteous to protect them 13:06 from the tribulation. 13:08 Four, that Christ's second coming will be in two stages; 13:11 A, the secret rapture and B, the actual coming 13:15 which is later and that's going to be glorious and visible. 13:19 Five, these two stages are separated by 13:22 seven years of tribulation. 13:25 Six, the rapture will take place before the 13:27 revelation of antichrist. 13:29 You get that wrong and you could be real mixed up. 13:32 Seven, the wicked will at this point have a second chance 13:34 to be converted. 13:36 A second chance to be converted if they're not ready 13:38 for the secret rapture. 13:41 And that is sort of the summary of what the Left Behind scenario 13:44 is for the second coming. 13:48 Now with that introduction, we're going to delve into and 13:52 see how far we get talking about a very important, at times, 13:56 what may seem like a complex subject. 13:58 You may want to take some notes of some of the scriptures 14:00 you're going to see. 14:01 I am going to try to present both sides of this issue. 14:06 And I'm admitting this is not a fair debate. 14:08 I am, obviously, a Seventh-day Adventist, 14:11 so I fall on this side with my bias. 14:14 But never the less, I want you to understand as well as you can 14:17 why there are a couple of different views on this subject. 14:20 Alright, the first question we're going to consider. 14:23 Well have about nine or ten tonight depending on our time. 14:31 We already talked about the seventh day. 14:34 Well, we're called Seventh-day Adventists. 14:37 Adventist means, people who are looking forward to the 14:40 imminent advent of Jesus. 14:43 Why that emphasis even in the name? 14:46 Alright well, I'm going to start out this time. 14:49 Titus chapter 2 verse 13. 15:01 I shared this, there's over 300 prophecies in the Bible 15:04 that talk about the Lord's coming. 15:06 It was obviously important to Jesus. 15:09 It should be important to His people. 15:11 And if once the Lord comes, and this is very important, 15:15 as Seventh-day Adventists believe, once the Lord comes 15:18 the saved are saved and the lost are lost, 15:21 then people need to know to get ready for that event because 15:25 there is no mercy beyond the second coming, 15:28 according to what we believe. 15:30 Pastor Barney and those who believe in the secret rapture 15:33 think there is still another chance even after Jesus comes. 15:37 That could be very dangerous. 15:39 Secondly, Revelation 22:20, the last chapter in the Bible 15:43 and the last verses of the Holy Bible, Jesus said: 15:51 Now we've all heard about people's last words. 15:55 Sometimes a person's last words sort of set the 15:58 trend of their history. 16:00 I would think as a Christian that the last words of Jesus 16:04 should be a first priority for His followers. 16:08 And so, the reason we're called Seventh-day Adventist Christians 16:11 is because the Bibles tells us there's a sanctifying influence. 16:16 Beloved, since you believe these things, then we should be 16:19 found of Him without spot and blameless. 16:21 Because we know that our lives are limited, 16:23 that Jesus is coming soon, we want to be ready for that day. 16:28 There is something about knowing that the Lord is coming. 16:31 I mean, let's face it. 16:34 If we realize that our lives are limited, and if you... 16:39 Doesn't matter really what your age is, but the longer you live 16:41 the greater the statistics. 16:44 If you shouldn't be alive tomorrow, your next 16:48 conscious thought is the resurrection. 16:50 And as far as you're concerned, the Lord has come. 16:53 And so, don't ever be ashamed about preaching the importance 16:57 and the imminence of Jesus' coming, because even if 17:00 you live to a hundred, compared to eternity 17:02 our lives are like a vapor. 17:04 So every Christian should always be emphasizing the 17:08 nearness of Christ's coming. 17:09 Because He could come for anybody watching or anybody here 17:12 within 24 hours. 17:15 So that's one reason. 17:16 But there's also going to be a literal day. 17:19 Alright Pastor Barney, what do you think? 17:23 Pastor Doug, first of all we both agree that Jesus is coming. 17:26 So we're in agreement on that. 17:29 But you can over emphasize the hereafter so that you're 17:32 neglecting the here and now. 17:35 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 8. 17:48 That reminds me in the same chapter, Pastor Barney, 17:51 it's says, in the last days there is going to come 17:53 scoffers that say, "Where is the promise of His coming?" 17:56 And they're going to say, "All things continue as they 17:59 were from the beginning." 18:00 There is this danger that God's people are going to lose that 18:04 urgency to let the world know while there is still time. 18:09 Well I'm not saying that we shouldn't let people know. 18:11 I think that's important, but don't become obsessed with it. 18:14 Let's just do a good job while we're here. 18:17 Luke 19 verse 13, Jesus called His ten servants, 18:21 in this parable, and He delivered them ten minas 18:24 and He said, "Do business, or occupy, until I come." 18:28 So we should just keep ourselves busy with taking care of the 18:31 social and humanitarian needs of the world. 18:33 And when the Lord comes, He comes. 18:35 And there's nothing really that we can do to affect that. 18:40 Well, I remember reading in Matthew 24 where Jesus said, 18:43 "The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world 18:46 for a witness unto all nations, and then the end will come." 18:51 And that leads me to believe that He has invited us to 18:54 participate in fulfilling the great commission. 18:57 There should be an urgency there. 18:59 And I want the Lord to come soon. 19:01 I'm tired of all the sin and suffering in this world. 19:04 And so the quicker we get the gospel into all the world, 19:06 if Jesus' promise can be depended on, 19:09 "the gospel will be preached in all the world..." 19:11 He doesn't say they'll all believe. 19:12 "...as a witness, then the end will come." 19:15 Matthew chapter 24 verse 14. 19:17 So I think there's an important reason to make this a priority. 19:21 Alright, we'll just leave that where it is. 19:24 The next point we're going to consider together. 19:31 Pastor Barney, why don't you start out here. 19:34 Okay, Matthew 24 verse 44, the Lord says: 19:45 Nobody can really know when that time is. 19:48 Just live in a state of readiness and 19:50 don't worry about it. 19:51 But it's going to happen suddenly. 19:53 And the church doesn't know. Nobody knows. 19:56 Matthew 25:13, He says: 20:05 Well Pastor Barney, I would agree with you that nobody knows 20:08 the day nor the hour when the Son of man is coming. 20:11 But according to Jesus, He said, "When you see these things 20:14 begin to come to pass," in Matthew 24, 20:17 "lift up your eyes and know that your 20:19 redemption draws nigh or near." 20:22 So we can know when it's near. 20:24 And He says, if you can look at the weather and tell 20:26 what's going to happen by studying the sky, 20:29 how come you can't discern the signs of the times? 20:32 And, brother, friends, when we look at the signs of the times 20:36 today, does it look like we're nearing the end of the world? 20:41 I believe that we should be feeling that excitement 20:45 and that urgency to finish the work, to let the world know, 20:48 while probation lingers. 20:51 But as far as it being a secret... 20:55 Technically, we both believe in the rapture. 20:58 Now when I say "rapture," the word is not in the Bible. 21:01 But the principle is there; to be carried up. 21:04 We are going to be carried up. 21:05 The question is, will it be a secret? 21:08 Have we all heard these stories or seen the comics where 21:10 somebody is driving in the car and they're talking to 21:13 their wife, and suddenly they disappear and the car goes 21:16 careening off into a ditch. 21:17 Or a plane is flying along and the co-pilot comes on and says, 21:21 "Folks, we don't want you to panic, but our 21:23 captain has disappeared." 21:26 And all over the world, people see clothes and pajamas 21:29 piled up where folks were once wearing them 21:31 because they've just disappeared. 21:33 Have we all heard these stories and these scenarios? 21:36 The secret rapture. 21:38 And folks are going to all say, "Where did they go? 21:40 What happened?" 21:42 Jesus said, "As lightening shines from the east 21:45 even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." 21:49 Secret? 21:50 Psalm 50 verse 3. 22:04 I agree it'll be a surprise, but it's not going to be secret. 22:08 1 Thessalonians 4:16 22:20 So here you've got a shout. 22:23 They call it Gabriel's trumpet, but it doesn't say that. 22:25 It says, "the voice of the archangel, and with the 22:29 trumpet of God. 22:30 And the dead in Christ rise." 22:32 A resurrection. 22:33 Does that sound like something where someone is going to 22:35 have to call you on the phone and say, "Did you notice 22:38 somebody missing at your house? 22:39 I can't seem to find my spouse." 22:43 No. 22:44 1 Corinthians 15:52 22:47 "For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised 22:50 incorruptible, and we will be changed." 22:52 Alright, do we all agree that when Jesus comes and we're 22:56 caught up to meet Him in the air, it says 22:58 there's a resurrection. 22:59 There's a trumpet. 23:01 That resurrection, according to Jesus, happens the last day. 23:05 Notice John 6:40. 23:22 If the resurrection happens when Jesus comes and supposedly 23:26 the secret rapture takes place, why does Jesus refer to the 23:30 resurrection as the last day? 23:31 You would think the last day would be at the end of the 23:33 seven years of tribulation. 23:35 But He says that the last day is when the resurrection is. 23:38 And the resurrection is when we get caught up. 23:40 Because they're all the same event. 23:43 Revelation 16 verses 17 and 18. 23:47 "And a loud voice came out of the temple in heaven 23:50 from the throne saying, 'It is done.' 23:52 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; 23:57 and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty 24:00 and great earthquake as had not occurred since 24:02 men were on the earth." 24:03 Greater than the earthquake in Japan. 24:06 Greater than the earthquake in Haiti. 24:07 You can put them all together and they won't be as 24:09 big as this earthquake. 24:11 And that is put in sequence with the Lord coming 24:15 when people are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 24:18 It's not going to be a secret. 24:20 Life is not going on as normal for another seven years 24:24 when Jesus comes. 24:26 It's going to be the noisiest secret we've ever seen before. 24:32 Number three. 24:38 Okay, Pastor Barney. 24:43 Luke 17 verse 34. 24:46 Will the righteous disappear? 24:48 It says here: 25:08 It makes it really clear, Pastor Doug, 25:10 that there are people who are outwardly just doing 25:12 similar simple things, and just some of them are caught away 25:16 and others are left behind. 25:19 How do you explain that? 25:21 Well, I'll tell you what I will attempt to say, Pastor Barney, 25:25 is that Jesus is using some powerful symbols here that are 25:28 very common in the Bible. 25:30 Two men sleeping in a bed. 25:33 That use to be it didn't get a reaction. 25:37 But now we think something else about that. 25:41 Two men working in the field. Two women grinding at the mill. 25:45 What does sleep represent biblically? 25:48 Death. 25:50 Jesus said, "Our friend Lazarus sleeps." 25:52 How many kinds of people are dead now? 25:56 What I mean by that is, really only two. 25:58 You've got the saved and the lost. 26:00 Two kinds of dead; dead in Christ and dead out of Christ. 26:04 Two kinds of people when the Lord comes. 26:07 There's one saved and there's one lost. 26:09 There's just two different categories. 26:11 What does a woman represent in Bible symbols? 26:14 A church. 26:16 How many kinds of churches are there? 26:18 There's not 34,000. 26:20 You read in Revelation, there's two women. 26:22 There's the true and the false. 26:24 Yea, Babylon has got her daughters but they're all false. 26:27 You've got the truth, the bride of Christ. 26:29 And you've got the false teachings. 26:32 There are those who are ready when Jesus comes; 26:34 it doesn't matter if you want to categorize them as 26:37 the five wise virgins. 26:39 And then you've got the five foolish. 26:40 But you've got the ready and the unready. 26:42 Grinding at the mill; working with the Word. 26:44 The mill is the grain, the Word of God, the bread of life. 26:47 Outwardly doing the same thing, but God looks on the heart. 26:51 Some are not ready and some are ready. 26:53 And then you've got two men working in the field. 26:55 What does that represent? 26:56 Jesus said the world is the field, the harvest is great, 27:00 the Word of God is the seed that is being sown 27:02 and being harvested. 27:04 There's two kinds of people out there doing mission work. 27:06 The ready; the truth, and the unready; the false. 27:10 That's all Jesus is saying. 27:12 And you know, you've got to be very careful about assuming 27:15 the ones taken are the ones saved. 27:19 Because you read on here a little bit and it tells us 27:23 the disciples ask in Luke chapter 17 and verse 37. 27:26 That's right after the verse you just read, Pastor Barney. 27:30 The disciples said, "Where, Lord?" 27:32 He said one is taken and one is left 27:33 and they said, "Lord, Where?" 27:41 It's talking about those who are taken away in judgment. 27:45 Read Matthew chapter 24 verses 38 and 39. 27:48 This is a common mistake people make. 27:49 Who is taken, the saved or the lost? 28:02 Who is taken away? 28:04 Was it Noah and his family taken away? 28:05 The wicked did not know until they were 28:08 taken away in judgment. 28:10 Put yourself in the mind of a Hebrew for a minute. 28:13 When they were settled in the promise land, 28:15 they were under God's blessing. 28:17 When they were disobedient, their enemies came, 28:20 captured them, took them away. 28:23 They were taken away to Assyria, they were taken away to Babylon, 28:27 they went down to Egypt. 28:28 It's when they were obedient they were allowed to 28:30 stay in their land. 28:32 So being taken away often means taken away in judgment. 28:35 I think this is a very misunderstood passage. 28:39 And then of course, we've got to keep in mind 28:42 Jesus said the second coming is going to be like 28:45 the first coming, when Christ comes back. 28:48 The disciples were staring when Jesus ascended to heaven. 28:52 In acts chapter 1, they were just gazing up into heaven. 28:55 And the angels appeared and said, "You men of Galilee, 28:58 why do you stand here wistfully gazing up in the sky? 29:01 This same Jesus that was received up from you into heaven 29:05 is coming in the same way you have seen Him go." 29:08 They saw Him go, we'll see Him come. 29:11 He left in the clouds, He's coming in the clouds. 29:14 He was real and tangible when He left, 29:16 He'll be real and tangible when He comes. 29:20 Pastor Doug, the reason that they saw Him is because 29:22 they were believers. 29:23 And yes, the believers will see Jesus come during 29:26 the secret rapture. 29:27 But that verse in Acts doesn't say that the wicked 29:29 see Him come. 29:33 I've got to give Him some credit, because 29:35 I'm not even going to answer that. 29:36 But I felt like I'm leaving Pastor Barney out. 29:39 I called a pastor friend of mine tonight and I said, 29:43 "You know, I'm struggling with this presentation because 29:45 I'm trying to give Pastor Barney more press time, 29:47 but I can't find scriptures on the secret rapture. 29:49 There just aren't very many." 29:52 And he said, "Well, I've got some." 29:54 And he gave me the ones I'm already sharing with you. 29:56 There are just not that many scriptures to defend it. 30:00 You know, friends, we do a radio program where we take 30:03 Bible questions from all around the world, really. 30:05 We get questions from all over the world. 30:07 And periodically, someone calls and says, "Pastor Doug, 30:10 I'm giving a study to someone on the secret rapture, 30:12 but I'm having trouble finding scriptures. 30:14 Can you help me?" 30:16 And I say, "No, there's not very many." 30:22 But I'm going to give you a couple more. 30:24 Does the Bible say that Jesus is coming like a thief? 30:29 Okay, Pastor Barney. 30:31 Sorry to be disparaging. 30:34 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 10. 30:37 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night." 30:40 There you have it. It's a secret. 30:41 Like a thief; slips in, slips out, takes the righteous. 30:44 Poof, they're gone. 30:46 And then you've got also 30:47 1 Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 2. 30:49 "For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of 30:52 the Lord will come as a thief in the night." 30:54 Like a thief, He's coming and He's going to steal away 30:57 that which is precious and slip out the door, 31:00 and everyone's going to wonder what happened. 31:01 Stole them away as a thief. 31:03 And they'll just have to carry on without their 31:05 precious possessions. 31:09 These are some of the common verses, Pastor Barney, 31:11 that are used to talk about the secret rapture. 31:13 They say, "Jesus is coming as a thief." 31:15 But let's read the rest of both verses and see 31:18 what the context is. 31:19 We often get into trouble because we just read part of it. 31:24 If you continue in 1 Thessalonians 5, 31:27 I'm going to read the whole thing here. 31:46 It's talking about the whole destruction of the world 31:49 when Jesus comes as a thief. 31:50 How can life go on for seven more years during that time? 31:55 Let's also read the rest of 2 Peter chapter 3 31:58 where it talks about Jesus coming as a thief. 32:01 2 Peter 3 verse 10. 32:18 There's that noise again. 32:40 There's another verse that says we can help "hasten 32:43 unto the coming of the day of God." 32:52 This verse tells us we ought to be mobilized by the fact that 32:55 Jesus is coming soon. 32:57 What manner of persons ought you be? 33:00 You've probably heard pastors ask this question before, 33:03 but it's always a good thing to think about. 33:08 I don't know how old you were when you first realized 33:11 that you were mortal. 33:13 But I'll never forget. 33:16 I was with my grandparents. 33:18 I must have been about 4 years old. 33:21 For some reason, there was a bull fighter on TV 33:24 that got killed by a bull. 33:26 Black and white television back then. 33:29 And I said, "Grandpa, is he going to get back up again?" 33:32 And my grandpa said, "No, Dougy, he's deader than a doornail." 33:37 I said, "But they're going to take him to the doctor 33:39 and they'll fix him." 33:41 "No, he's dead." 33:42 And he tried to explain to me that it meant 33:45 it was curtains for him. 33:49 Boy I tell you, that really shakes you up 33:50 when you finally realize, "You mean I'm going to get old 33:53 and that's going to happen to me? 33:55 That I've got a limited time here?" 33:58 It's probably a smart thing for us to realize 34:02 that we're only here for a little while. 34:04 It's not pleasant, because people are afraid. 34:06 But if you believe you've got everlasting life, 34:09 and if you know you can live eternally with a better body 34:12 in a better world, you shouldn't be afraid of death. 34:15 But if you're not ready, that truth should 34:18 wake you up a little bit. 34:20 Seeing then that all these things will be dissolved, 34:22 this world is not going to last, we ought to be 34:24 preparing for the other, ourselves, and telling 34:27 other people to get ready, Jesus is coming for you. 34:31 Sooner or later, ready or not, He's going to come. 34:35 And it's a very important truth. 34:36 And it is; the world is not going on for seven more years. 34:39 One more point, 1 Thessalonians 5 verse 4. 34:43 Where he talks about Jesus is coming like a thief, 34:45 Paul says, "But you, brethren, are not in darkness, 34:50 so that this Day should overtake you as a thief." 34:53 It's coming as a thief for the world that is unprepared. 34:58 Now I always hesitate to tell people this. 35:00 Our local friends here know. 35:02 But before I was a Christian, I was a thief. 35:06 And I, I mean, just plain ole rank burglar. 35:10 I would break into people's homes and steal things. 35:13 I stole cars and petty theft. Big things, little things. 35:17 And I'm not proud of it. 35:18 But whenever I would case a house and prepare to 35:21 steal something, I always sent them a greeting card to let them 35:25 know when I was coming. 35:27 No, of course not. 35:29 The idea of coming like a thief was, they didn't know 35:33 when I was coming. 35:34 But they always knew after I came. 35:37 And so when the Lord comes, he's just saying it's going to 35:40 be a surprise for much of the world. 35:42 It doesn't mean that it's a secret and people won't know. 35:45 Alright, let's go to our next question here. 35:48 With our friends who believe in the secret rapture 35:51 and futurism... 35:52 And again, I don't want to be derogatory, but as I get to the 35:54 conclusion here, you're going to see why this is critical. 36:02 Pastor Doug, you already know... 36:06 You know just about everything I'm going to say, don't you. 36:09 Revelation 4 verse 1. 36:13 Everything from Revelation 4 verse 1 and on is still in 36:17 the future because that's when the rapture takes place. 36:21 It says: 36:29 That's the resurrection trumpet. 36:38 So here, John is called up in the fourth chapter. 36:42 Everything that happens from chapter 4 on, that's still in 36:45 the future because that's from the rapture beyond. 36:48 Once the church is raptured, that's when you've got all the 36:50 plagues and the seals and all those problems. 36:53 We're gone at that point. 36:54 That trumpet there is the resurrection trumpet. 36:57 It's very clear. 37:01 Pastor Barney, I've got some problems with that. 37:03 If you think that everything from Revelation chapter 4 on 37:07 is after the rapture, there's an awful lot in Revelation 37:10 that even points back. 37:12 You can look in Revelation 12 where it talks about the 37:15 war between Michael and his angels and the 37:17 dragon and his angels. 37:18 That's talking about the original battle between 37:20 good and evil and the persecution of the church. 37:24 Is that all still in the future? 37:27 Well, that persecution that it's talking about is talking about 37:31 the Jews that are going to be persecuted because there's 37:34 going to be a great conversion among the Jewish people. 37:37 And 144,000 Jews are going to preach the gospel to the world 37:41 and they're going to get people ready for 37:43 Jesus' real second coming. 37:47 So you believe the 144,000 are really just 12,000 Jews 37:52 from the literal twelve tribes? 37:56 Well, that's what it says there. 37:57 Revelation chapter 7 and chapter 14 tells us, 38:01 from those literal twelve tribes. 38:04 Well now, being at least half Jewish myself, I know there's 38:09 a whole lot more people from the tribe of Judah than you're 38:12 going to find from the tribe of Issachar or Manasseh or Zebulun. 38:18 They were carried away captive by the Assyrians 38:21 hundreds of years before Jesus was born. 38:24 They largely intermarried with the Assyrians. 38:27 And I doubt there are any purebreds of any of those people 38:30 still alive in the world today. 38:33 Well, they may not be purebreds. 38:35 They might just have some DNA from those different tribes, 38:39 that the Lord is going to get literally 12,000 of those 38:42 people with that DNA. 38:45 So I guess what you're really telling me is, 38:47 you might even have some of that DNA from the 38:49 tribe of Joseph or one of the others. 38:53 Well, theoretically, yes I guess that could be true. 38:58 So you're telling me, God is going to pick people based upon 39:01 their blood and what DNA they have in their blood. 39:05 But I thought that the Bible said that He's no respecter 39:08 of persons, but He has made of one blood all nations. 39:11 Why would He just look at a person's DNA when He 39:14 is going to decide whether or not He's going to pick them? 39:20 What's your next question? 39:25 That's really what people believe on that. 39:29 Alright, Revelation 1:1. 39:32 Is it all still in the future? 39:45 So Revelation covers the span of history 39:48 from the time the prophecy was given until the second coming, 39:52 indeed until we're in the earth made new. 39:54 Revelation covers the panorama of history 39:58 from Jesus' first coming to the second coming. 40:00 Why would God give such an important book to the people 40:04 and say it's not relevant for this generation, 40:06 it's only relevant for people at the end of time? 40:10 All of God's word is beneficial. 40:12 All scripture is given by inspiration of God 40:15 and is profitable. 40:17 The idea that these last books of the Bible, that you relegate 40:20 them to the future, is a plot of the devil to keep people from 40:25 understanding what it's really talking about, 40:27 who the antichrist really is. 40:29 And the things are happening all around them, but they're 40:32 being distracted with a diversionary interpretation. 40:35 So they're looking in this direction... 40:37 This is how magicians work all the time. 40:39 It's called, "slight of hand." 40:40 It's a distraction, it's a diversion. 40:42 ...when the real thing is right underneath their noses. 40:45 I saw a magician take a person's belt off 40:47 while they distracted them once. 40:49 I've seen them take their watches off their hand 40:51 while they distracted them. 40:52 Right under their noses. 40:54 The devil is a master of deception. 40:57 And to a large extent, a lot of the church has been deceived 41:00 by this last day concept of the second coming 41:04 that can't really be supported by the Bible. 41:06 Number six. 41:09 Does the temple need to be rebuilt before Jesus 41:13 comes back again? 41:17 Alright friends, Pastor Barney doesn't get to talk very often 41:20 so I'll ask you now. 41:22 How many of you have heard that before Christ comes back, 41:25 that the temple needs to be rebuilt? 41:26 Have you heard that? 41:28 That's right here in the Bible. 41:29 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 4. 41:33 Speaking of the antichrist power: 41:47 In order for the antichrist to sit in the temple of God, 41:50 if the temple is leveled right now, it's going to 41:52 have to be rebuilt. 41:54 And of course, you know, you get 144,000 Jewish people, 41:57 they're going to need a temple. 42:00 Well, Pastor Barney, we do agree that this is talking about 42:03 the antichrist power. 42:04 We agree on that. 42:06 But we disagree on what that temple is. 42:10 Jesus tells us that the temple is really talking about 42:14 His body, His church. 42:16 From the time that Christ died on the cross and that veil 42:18 was ripped in two, now the temple, the sanctuary on earth, 42:23 is the body of Christ. 42:26 You can read where Jesus made that really clear. 42:29 But... 42:33 Sorry friends, I... 42:36 Here we go. 42:37 I lost my spot for a minute. 42:38 1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17. 42:55 Now we've all heard it said that your body is the 42:57 temple of the Holy Spirit. 42:58 That's another verse. 42:59 He also says, collectively you are the temple of God. 43:03 1 Peter 2 verse 5. 43:04 "You also, as living stones, are being built up 43:08 a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, 43:11 to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable 43:14 to God through Jesus Christ." 43:16 So all of us together represent the temple of God. 43:21 You remember when they were going to stone Jesus one time 43:23 because they said, "You claim that You're going to destroy 43:27 and rebuild this temple in three days. 43:29 It has taken us 46 years to build this temple." 43:32 But they didn't know He spoke about the temple of His body. 43:35 And even when Christ was tried and they accused Him, 43:38 the only two witnesses they could get to agree 43:41 are the ones who said, "We heard Him say that 43:43 He will destroy the temple and raise it up, 43:46 or He will destroy this temple made with hands, 43:48 'and in three days I will raise up one made without hands.'" 43:53 So that really is true. 43:55 Christ does have a temple here on earth made 43:58 without man's hands. 44:00 It's called the church. 44:01 So this antichrist power sits in the temple of God, 44:06 he puts himself over the church of God, 44:08 assumes the titles and the prerogatives of God, 44:12 saying that he, himself, should be worshipped. 44:15 Now think about this for a second, friends. 44:18 A lot of my dear mainline friends, like Pastor Barney, 44:24 are waiting for the Jews to pull the trigger somehow, 44:29 for someone to come in with a D9 Caterpillar 44:31 and to scrape the Mosque of Omar there at the Dome of the Rock, 44:35 the old temple location, the holiest of sites in Israel, 44:39 one of the holiest of sites of Muslims, I've been there, 44:42 to level that and the Jews are going to build a temple 44:46 on that location. 44:47 Can you imagine World War III, what's going to happen 44:50 if the Jewish nation tries to do that? 44:53 And the bigger question would be... 44:54 Like I said, I grew up and I've got a lot of Jewish 44:56 friends and family. 44:58 I don't know any of them that are waiting to reinstitute 45:01 the sacrificial system. 45:03 Over the last 2000 years, the Jews have adjusted their 45:06 theology where they don't need to sacrifice any more. 45:09 They celebrate the Passover every year. 45:11 They don't slaughter lambs in their front yard. 45:15 So this is a kind of fanciful interpretation 45:19 that has developed. 45:21 And people get very excited about it. 45:23 You'll hear all kinds of myths and rumors about, 45:25 "they've discovered the ark," 45:27 "they're rebuilding the components for the temple." 45:30 And I've been to Jerusalem twice, friends. 45:32 And when you go there and you talk to people about it, 45:34 they look at you like you're crazy. 45:36 But they talk a lot about it in North America 45:39 and get very excited about it. 45:41 Yes, God still has a special work for the Jewish people. 45:44 I believe that. 45:45 And I think that Israel has a very special role in history. 45:48 But the idea that it's only literal Jews that are going to 45:51 be doing the preaching during the 7 years of tribulation, 45:54 I don't find that in the Bible. 45:55 And since I mentioned that, point number seven. 46:06 If I were to ask you right now to call out a name, 46:08 I bet you'd be hard pressed. 46:12 Daniel 9:27, in this prophecy about the Messiah, Pastor Doug, 46:18 it tells the 490 year prophecy. 46:23 And there are seven years that are cut off from that prophecy, 46:26 making it 483 years. 46:28 That last seven years of that prophecy, that's going to be 46:34 down at the end of time. 46:35 That's when the seven years of tribulation happen 46:37 after the rapture. 46:38 It comes from that time where it says that the 46:41 beast power is going to rule. 46:42 Let me read it for you, Daniel 9:27. 46:55 And again for good measure, you notice when Noah 46:58 entered the ark, that there were seven days. 47:01 And that's Genesis 7 verse 10. 47:03 Seven days they stayed in the ark. 47:05 They were safe and secure. 47:06 People outside the ark, they suffered a tribulation 47:09 when the flood came. 47:13 So that's where you get the seven years of tribulation, 47:15 from those two verses? 47:17 We do differ widely on this. 47:20 And I'll tell you just exactly how widely. 47:22 When you read Daniel 9:27 and you say, "he will confirm the 47:25 covenant with many for one week," 47:27 you believe that's the antichrist. 47:29 Is that right? 47:30 Absolutely. 47:32 It says, "he," the antichrist, "is going to confirm the 47:37 covenant with many for one week." 47:39 Well, I realize this might get some people's attention, 47:41 but Seventh-day Adventists, and the reformers, 47:44 Protest reformers, they believe largely that this "he" is Jesus. 47:49 So you say it's the antichrist. 47:52 Where does the antichrist make a covenant with God's people 47:55 that he's suppose to confirm? 47:58 Well, he hasn't made it yet. 47:59 But he's going to make a covenant and then he'll 48:01 confirm it when that time comes. 48:04 Well, that seems pretty speculative to me, 48:06 because in the preceding verses of Daniel chapter 9, 48:09 it talks about the Messiah being cut off, but not for Himself. 48:13 It's Jesus who confirms a covenant with His people for 48:17 one week or seven years. 48:18 Or do you agree that this one week is really 48:20 representative of seven years? 48:23 Yes, we agree on that point that it represents a day for 48:26 a year in prophecy. 48:27 So that one week is really seven years. 48:30 Okay, now that we've established that, how long did Jesus preach? 48:35 Well, Jesus personally only preached for 48:37 three and a half years. 48:38 So how do you get your seven years where Jesus preached 48:41 and confirmed the covenant? 48:42 Well, it tells us in Hebrews chapter 2 that Christ 48:46 confirmed the covenant in person and He finished confirming it 48:51 through those that heard Him, namely His disciples. 48:55 So for three and a half years, Jesus preached in person. 48:59 He then died on the cross; He confirmed the covenant 49:01 with His people. 49:03 In the middle of that seven years that were cut off 49:05 for the Jewish nation, He died on the cross. 49:09 The veil in the temple was ripped from top to bottom. 49:13 Matter of fact, there you have it in 49:14 Matthew chapter 27 verse 51. 49:25 Jesus brought the sacrificial system to an end, 49:27 He confirmed the covenant in person for 49:29 three and a half years, He confirmed it in 49:31 three and a half more years until Stephen 49:33 was stoned; Acts chapter 8. 49:35 A great persecution began. 49:37 The disciples were scattered everywhere. 49:40 You keep reading in Acts, it says they went to Samaria. 49:43 They then went to Cornelius and the Gentiles. 49:45 And the gospel began to go to the world. 49:47 It happened after the stoning of Stephen where the nation 49:50 plugged their ears. 49:52 So from the time of Christ's baptism, He was anointed with 49:55 the Holy Spirit, He preached for three and a half years. 49:58 He then pours out the Spirit on His disciples. 50:01 They go as Jesus went for three and a half years. 50:04 Stephen is stoned after the supreme court of the Jewish 50:07 nation plugs their ears and they don't want to hear the message. 50:11 Then Saul is actually converted, who is there. 50:14 He becomes the disciple to the Gentiles. 50:16 The gospel then goes to the world. 50:18 That 490 years is all together. 50:21 How can you take the last 7 years of Daniel's prophecy 50:24 and cut it off? 50:28 Well, it's a floating prophecy. 50:30 That last 7 years, it hovers, it floats. 50:33 And we don't know exactly where it lands, 50:35 but it kind of, you know, like a hydrofoil. 50:38 It hovers off that first 483 years that stopped back in 50:42 the New Testament times and it's floating down. 50:44 It's going to land somewhere down there at the end of time. 50:47 That's the 7 years of tribulation. 50:50 Yep, that's what they believe. 50:53 And that's kind of hard for me. 50:55 But that's what a lot of dear people are believing. 51:04 Number eight. 51:12 Absolutely, Pastor Doug. 51:16 No, absolutely not. 51:17 You know, it's really hard being schizophrenic up here. 51:23 1 Thessalonians 5 verse 9. 51:31 The seven last plagues are described as the wrath of God. 51:34 How can the church be here during the wrath of God 51:36 when it says, "God did not appoint us to wrath." 51:39 He loves His church too much to have them 51:41 go through that tribulation. 51:43 Revelation 3 verse 10. 51:45 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, 51:48 I will keep you from the hour of trial that is going to 51:51 come upon the whole world to test the earth." 51:55 Well Pastor Barney, you just quoted from 51:58 the church of Philadelphia. 52:00 That's not the last church in the church age. 52:03 And yes, He did keep them from the final hour of trial, 52:07 because that's reserved for the church of Laodicea, 52:09 which is the age of the church that we're living in right now. 52:12 But according to Acts 14:22, Paul says, "Confirming the souls 52:18 of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, 52:22 and that we must through tribulation..." 52:27 Actually it says, "through much tribulation." 52:29 ...enter the kingdom of God." 52:31 God doesn't save His people from tribulation. 52:33 He saves us through tribulation. 52:37 Did God save Noah from the flood or through it? 52:41 Did God save the children of Israel from the ten plagues 52:45 of Egypt or through them? 52:47 And you realize that you've got seven last plagues 52:50 at the end of time, which are the great tribulation. 52:53 We agree on that? 52:55 Yes, we agree that the seven last plagues do take place 52:58 also during the time of the great tribulation. 53:02 So the children of Israel were in Egypt 53:05 during those ten plagues. 53:08 He protected them through that. 53:10 So the church is preserved. 53:11 We don't need to worry about the plagues. 53:13 That's the least of my concerns, is the plagues. 53:15 If I am in the Lord, if I am in Christ, 53:17 I don't have to be afraid of that. 53:20 God didn't save Joseph from tribulation, 53:23 He saved him through tribulation. 53:25 He didn't save Job from tribulation, 53:27 He saved him through tribulation. 53:30 How many of you have had some trials and 53:31 tribulation in your life? 53:34 How many of you can look back now and say, 53:36 "You know, the Lord did some refining and some purifying 53:40 through those trials that He brought me through." 53:43 It is through the fiery trials that God saves His people. 53:46 Matter of fact, a lot of the world is going to be surprised. 53:49 Because I think a lot of dear people like you, Pastor Barney, 53:52 are going to be saved, but you're going to be shocked 53:54 when you find out that the tribulation happens 53:56 before the rapture. 53:58 You think that the tribulation is happening 53:59 after you've left town. 54:01 And we're going to be here. 54:02 Jesus tells us through Peter, 1 Peter 4:12, 54:05 "Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the 54:10 fiery trial that is going to try you, as though some 54:13 strange thing happened." 54:15 A lot of people out there are going to go, 54:16 "What strange thing is this?" 54:18 They weren't prepared. 54:21 You know, as we start to wind up this subject, 54:27 I've got a lot more I could say. 54:31 Is there a danger of believing the secret rapture? 54:38 Yes, Jeremiah 8:20, a lot of people are going to say, 54:42 "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved!" 54:47 2 Corinthians 6:2, "Behold, now is the accepted time; 54:50 now is the day of salvation." 54:53 With the secret rapture scenario, there are a lot of 54:56 dear people out there that think after folks start disappearing, 55:00 they are really not looking forward to the tribulation. 55:02 But in case this Christianity thing is not true, 55:05 they're hedging their bets. 55:07 And they're saying, "Well, if my spouse disappears, 55:10 if my pastor disappears, then I better really get ready. 55:14 But at least I'll have 7 more years to repent and come to 55:18 Christ when those 144,000 Jews are preaching. 55:21 And then I'll be saved at the literal glorious coming of Jesus 55:24 at the end of that tribulation." 55:28 The devil loves this theory because it teaches people 55:30 they've got a second chance. 55:32 And you know, whenever you're in doubt, 55:35 do the safe thing. 55:38 Do the safe thing. 55:40 If I believe like you and I'm wrong, I could miss the boat. 55:49 But if you play it safe and you are ready for the tribulation, 55:52 then at least you're prepared. 55:56 You know, friends, it has happened to me more than once 56:01 where I've gone to an airport and I misread my ticket somehow. 56:06 I remember one time driving to San Francisco 56:08 and Karen dropped me off. 56:10 And I thought that my plane was taking off at one o'clock. 56:13 I missed a zero. It was ten o'clock. 56:16 And I thought, I'm going to play it safe. 56:18 I'll just get there early. 56:19 So I got there at eleven o'clock. 56:23 It's a real lonely feeling when you go to the gate 56:25 and you finally walk up and you say, "Where is everybody? 56:28 Am I the only one on this plane?" 56:30 And they look at your ticket and they say, "Your plane left." 56:34 Talk about being left behind. 56:38 There are going to be a lot of people that are not 56:40 ready when Jesus comes. 56:41 But they don't have seven more years. 56:44 They are going to say, "The harvest is past, 56:46 the summer is ended, and we are not saved." 56:50 I think the best thing to do is to stick with 56:52 what the Bible teaches. 56:55 Jesus tells us, there is a great time of trouble. 56:58 He that endures unto the end, he will be saved. 57:03 Endures what if we're not here for the tribulation? 57:05 Immediately after those days, Christ said there will be 57:08 a great tribulation. 57:11 And so we need to be prepared for that. 57:15 God's people all over the world need to realize that there is 57:19 a truth and there is a counterfeit for the truth. 57:23 If you want to study these things, friends, we hope 57:26 you will take advantage of it. 57:27 You know, we provided a website that's very simply called 57:30 bibleuniverse.com 57:32 It has got Bible studies there where you can study 57:35 the subject of the second coming of Jesus and 57:38 some of the other things we presented. 57:39 And you'll find it's all from the Bible. 57:42 We want to be ready when Christ comes. 57:43 Amen? 57:45 And by the way, He's coming for everybody. 57:48 The day is going to come, one way or the other. 57:50 We're all going to see Him someday. 57:52 We want to be ready to see Him in peace. 57:54 Amen? 57:55 We will be praying for you to that end, friends. 57:57 God bless you. |
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