Participants: David Shin and Steve Wohlberg
Series Code: BOF
Program Code: BOF000033
|
00:15 We would like to welcome you to BATTLES OF FAITH
00:17 My name is David Shin and I'm here with Steve Wohlberg, 00:20 who is the Speaker, Director of Whitehorse Ministry, and 00:23 he is the author of several books and has done extensive 00:25 research on this issue of the supernatural from a 00:28 biblical perspective, and I would like to thank you for 00:31 joining us on this program. 00:32 It has been a pleasure to meet and talk with you prior 00:35 to this, so tell us a little bit about yourself... 00:38 I see on your shirt there you have Whitehorse Media, 00:41 what is that all about? 00:43 That is the ministry I am involved in right now in 00:44 Fresno California and we are a television ministry. 00:47 We produce programs for 3ABN and other networks. 00:50 I continue to write books, I give seminars, I am a 00:54 husband and a father. 00:55 I have a little boy named Seth, who calls me daddy. 00:57 I love hearing that and am happy to be here on 01:01 Battles of Faith, to discuss the supernatural 01:04 and the Wiccan movement. 01:05 The occult as we have chosen to subtitle this series, 01:08 MAGIC, GHOSTS and the BIBLE. 01:11 So we have a lot to do and a lot of very fascinating 01:14 controversial things to discuss. 01:17 Magic is in the Bible, so tell us a little bit about 01:20 this as we are discussing, evidently, 13 programs that 01:24 we will be delving into. 01:25 Now why the 13, why the emphasis? 01:28 Is this something that obviously you have a passion for 01:31 and is this relevant for viewing audience? 01:35 Anybody that has any knowledge of what is happening 01:38 around them in this world is aware of the incredible 01:41 popularity and growth of witchcraft and sorcery in the 01:44 the occult and it is getting about as big as it can get. 01:47 Here's an article in a religion linked publication, which 01:52 was put out for reporters, and 01:54 it is talking about trends in our society. 01:55 It says here that "throughout the country Wiccans are 01:57 organizing congregations and youth groups. They are 02:00 training clergyman and pursuing charity work. They are 02:03 sharing pagan parenting tips and fighting for their 02:06 civil rights. " And this was just the tip of the iceberg, 02:09 David, I have a whole list of articles I have read and 02:13 books that I have done research into. 02:15 Here's another article 'The Witch Next-Door" 02:17 "the pagan spiritual path is enjoying fast popularity and 02:20 widespread acceptance, even mentioned on a Scooby Doo 02:23 video. Wiccan in fact is the fastest growing religion 02:28 movement in America. " 02:30 Here's a story from National Public Radio NPR Barbara 02:34 Hagerdy did a program called Teens and Wicca. 02:36 Here's another one called The Season of the Witch that 02:41 mentions "that Wicca has grown in numbers, in influence, 02:44 and entertainment value and beautiful witches seem to 02:47 be everywhere. They are hip, they are slick 02:49 and they have power. " 02:51 And we will discuss that issue of power which is really 02:54 the appeal of Wiccan movement, but 02:56 it's in entertainment, it's in Hollywood movies, kids 02:59 cartoons and programs, and their countless websites 03:02 on the Internet. 03:03 I can tell you many stories of people that I have met, 03:06 and people that I know who have come to me and told me 03:08 that their son or daughter, or even their spouse are 03:11 dabbling into witchcraft, checking out the occult, and it 03:15 has become a major force, a phenomenon in our society 03:18 which we are here to discuss, and as we get 03:21 further into the series we'll deal with such issues as 03:24 Harry Potter, we will talk about the Potter media series 03:28 and talk about Hollywood programs that talk about ghosts, 03:32 spiritualism, and talking to the dead. 03:34 Whether or not that's possible and what does the Bible 03:36 say - you know this whole program is Battles of Faith 03:40 and we are in a battle, in a conflict between the forces 03:43 of good and evil. 03:44 We are going to go to the good book and see what the 03:47 Bible has to say about the struggle we are in dealing 03:52 with supernatural forces. 03:53 Now you mentioned that this phenomenon is no longer on 03:58 the periphery of society, it is going mainstream. 04:00 Now there may be individuals in our viewing audience that 04:04 perhaps have dabbled in Wicca or witchcraft. 04:07 Now how do we want to frame this as we go through these 04:10 series of 13? What is going to be our approach? 04:12 Evidently were using the Bible but what would you say to 04:15 someone that innocuously, these are sincere individuals that 04:19 have perhaps dabbled a little bit into these realms 04:22 of supernatural that you have spoken about? 04:24 First, I would say if you are a conservative Christian, 04:26 we are going to share lot of information that will be 04:28 very enlightening to you, and 04:30 if you are a witch or a pagan please don't tune us out, 04:33 we have a lot to say and we will do this as respectfully 04:36 as we possibly can. 04:38 I recognize that people who are in the pagan spiritual 04:40 path, the Wiccan movement, they are people just like me, 04:43 just like you, and many are searching, sincerely 04:47 searching for spiritual power. 04:48 We all need spiritual power in our lives, but as we are 04:51 going to find out, there are actually 2 powers out there. 04:54 There is a good power and there is a bad power, a very 04:57 sinister power, a very subtle and deceptive power that 05:00 many times people don't know what they are dealing with; 05:02 they don't know what is the nature, or the identity of 05:05 that power, and so we are going to be discussing all 05:08 these things and do it as respectfully as possible. 05:12 We are not witch bashers, we are not out there saying 05:15 stone the witches and kill them and put them on a stake, 05:17 or take rocks and throw them onto their heads. 05:20 I recognize that Wicca and witchcraft are a recognized 05:24 religion in this country and people have civil rights. 05:27 It is federally recognized and witchcraft is practiced 05:30 in the military, it is practiced in high school and 05:33 college campuses across the country. 05:35 There more people than we realize that our getting into 05:38 this movement and looking at and so we are 05:40 going to look at it too. 05:42 We are going to address it as honestly and objectively 05:45 as possible, and we will point out the dangers, 05:48 and we will also point them to a better way, 05:49 to a person who loves each of us, who loves me, who loves 05:54 you, and who has spiritual power, more power then you 05:58 can imagine that can help you in your life. 06:00 Also the power of love, David, that is the most important 06:03 thing of all is the power of love, and 06:06 it is a love we all need and that love is available 06:10 for all of us and we are going to get into all of that. 06:13 Now before we go into our Bible passage, I have one 06:17 other question I want to ask you. 06:18 Now you say that behind this phenomenon of the occult, 06:23 behind Wicca and so forth, there are some other forces 06:27 that are behind this, and 06:28 individuals that do not recognize we are in a battle. 06:31 That there are currents that are actually driving this 06:34 thing and I don't know if you want to mention a little 06:36 more about the currents behind this phenomenon 06:40 that we are addressing? 06:42 There is definitely a current in our society, we have 06:44 discuss this before, it reminds me of an article I 06:46 recently read in Fresno Bee, the title here is, 06:49 "Cruise Captain Blames Currents. " 06:51 It talks about a big cruise ship, you're familiar with 06:54 these gigantic ships and sometimes they carry thousands 06:57 of people, and this particular one went down. 06:59 The actual cruise ship sank under the water and 1500 07:03 people were approximately rescued before it went down. 07:05 Two people are missing and nobody really knows 07:07 what happened to them, and 07:09 the Captain blames the currents, strong currents that 07:12 moved the boat into the volcanic reefs, and 07:15 as we will discuss and see from the Bible, there are 07:19 spiritual currents underneath what I see as the 07:22 popularity of witchcraft, occult and spiritualism that are very 07:27 dangerous and can sink our ship. 07:30 We don't want that to happen to us, we don't want it to 07:33 happen to you, and we are concerned about that, and 07:36 that is why we are doing this program, 07:37 MAGIC, GHOSTS, and the BIBLE. 07:40 Fascinating, fascinating, so let's go to the Bible. 07:43 We are going to be delving into this topic from a 07:46 biblical perspective about the topic of Magic, 07:50 Ghosts, and the Bible. 07:52 So what is going to be our approach? 07:54 What is our first passage here. 07:55 Let's take a look at 1 Corinthians 10:11. 07:58 We have chosen this is our opening text. 08:00 This is just the beginning of the series and we have a 08:04 lot to discuss and so this was a good verse to start out, 08:07 then we are going to go to the book of Exodus and take 08:10 a look at the battle concerning Magic. 08:12 1 Corinthians 10:11, Paul is talking about the history 08:17 of Israel, he talks about Moses, and the things that the 08:20 Israelites went through as they came out of Egypt in this 08:24 chapter and in verse 11 it says, 08:36 and so it is talking about the Old Testament history, 08:40 especially the history of Israel is an example 08:43 for us and was written for those of us that 08:46 live down at the end. 08:48 We are going to see from the book of Exodus that there 08:52 was a struggle, a battle going on between God and Moses 08:56 and Aaron against the Pharaoh and his magicians. 09:00 The struggle over Magic was a major part of the history 09:06 of Israel as they came out of Egypt. 09:08 So that is where we are going to go and it illustrates 09:10 that these are lessons for those of us who live 09:14 at the end of time. 09:15 The sands of time are fast going down on the hour glass. 09:20 We are in the final days and I am totally convinced 09:23 that the Lord is coming soon and that these are the 09:26 momentous days before the apocalyptic end, and 09:31 we will find lessons for us in the book of Exodus. 09:35 So this passage, and just to recap what you just said, 09:39 the history of Israel is not just merely historical data, 09:44 just for our fancy, but it actually has relevance for us 09:47 living in the last days and these are lessons that we are 09:50 to go back in history and apply to us, and 09:53 they have some sort of practical applications. 09:56 That's exactly right they were written for our admonition 09:58 upon whom the ends of the world are come. 10:01 That's what the text said. 10:02 So let's go back to Exodus and find out what some of 10:05 these lessons are. 10:06 If we look at Exodus 7, this is describing the 10:10 deliverance of the people of God out of Egypt. 10:14 They have been in Egypt for 400 years, and for me as a 10:18 Jew, especially this has a lot of meaning because this 10:21 was the beginning of the birth of the Jewish nation, 10:25 as a nation, when they came out of Egypt in Exodus 7:8. 10:30 The Bible says. 11:05 This is really interesting David, this is the conflict 11:09 before Israel was delivered. 11:10 God of course was the Deliverer, Moses and Aaron 11:14 represented the Deliverer, and Pharaoh was the enslaver 11:17 who have brought God's people into bondage, and 11:21 his wise men were sorcerers and magicians. 11:24 The sorcerers and magicians have worked their way into 11:27 the leading positions of the nation, and 11:29 so here you have sorcerers and magicians and they are 11:32 doing the same thing in some sense. 11:35 What God was doing, they did the same thing with their 11:38 enchantments and it shows that they do have real power. 11:41 That magicians and sorcerers did have power. 11:44 They were there in Egypt and were contesting the work 11:48 of God through Moses and Aaron. 11:50 Now then in verse 12, this is very interesting. 12:03 This shows that God's power is greater than the power 12:07 of the Magic and magicians and sorcerers. 12:11 I see, so let's recap what is happening here. 12:14 So Moses, who is going in to deliver the Israelites, 12:18 goes in before Pharaoh and one of the signs that he 12:21 was to ask for, was to throw down your rod, and 12:23 he throws down the rod and it becomes a living serpent. 12:25 Am I correct? - That is correct. 12:27 It becomes a living serpent and at the same time it is 12:30 almost a dual between Moses and the magicians, in this 12:33 case, and he says, the Pharaoh says, I can do the same 12:35 thing and calls out his magicians and they 12:38 do the same thing. 12:39 They're serpent's, their rods become serpents, in this 12:43 case, but there is a dual between the serpents themselves 12:47 and Moses rod, which was a serpent, swallowed 12:51 up the other serpents? 12:52 That's right, there is a battle between God and His 12:54 representatives, and Pharaoh and his representatives, 12:57 being the magicians. 12:58 This is very significant that we read in 13:01 1 Corinthians 10:11 that the history of Israel was 13:04 written for our admonition upon whom the ends 13:09 of the world have come. 13:11 These are texts that apply to the end times, or at least 13:13 they have lessons for the end times and that was why 13:16 they were written, and 13:17 if you go back to Exodus, you have a battle between God 13:19 and the magicians, and 13:21 we are witnessing the same battle today. 13:22 That battle is happening right now in our society. 13:25 It is happening all around us, 13:27 it is happening in the entertainment industry, 13:28 on the Internet, it's in books, 13:31 kids books, kids movies, cartoons, and 13:34 that is why we are dealing with this. 13:36 In the beginning of the series we are laying a foundation 13:40 here showing that magic battle was going on all the way 13:44 back in Bible days in the book of Exodus. 13:46 As you keep reading this chapter, you can see the battle 13:49 continues on, the plagues begin to fall one by one upon 13:52 the Egyptians and there were 10 plagues. 13:55 In chapter 7:21 it talks about the water becoming blood. 14:00 That was one of the plagues and verse 22 says, 14:03 "the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments 14:06 as well. " So again you have a struggle over power, and 14:09 the magicians are not just making it appear that they 14:12 are doing this, they are actually doing this, 14:14 there is real power working through the magicians, 14:18 and I think it is significant David that when we look at the 14:22 whole Wiccan, sorcery, occult movement, the appeal of 14:25 that movement is power as I mentioned this article, 14:28 The Season of the Witch, it says, "Wicca has grown in 14:31 numbers, influence and enter- tainment value and beautiful 14:34 witches seemed to be everywhere They are hip, they are slick 14:37 and they have power. " 14:39 That is the way they are presented in the media and here 14:42 it says, it is the promise of power and control that 14:46 drives Wicca to its current level of popularity, and as we 14:50 farther into these programs, I'm going to share some 14:53 experiences about people that I know who have encountered 14:57 real spiritual power and discovered that power was a 15:02 dark power, and then they prayed and sought deliverance 15:06 from another power, which was God's power. 15:09 He actually came in and ripped them out from the forces 15:13 of evil that were holding them and bringing them down. 15:17 So make no mistake about it, we are in a power battle. 15:21 That power was going on right there in Egypt in Exodus 15:25 8:7 it says, it talks about the frogs that was another 15:29 plague where God sent the frogs all over Egypt. 15:31 It says in verse 7, "and the magicians did so with their 15:35 enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the 15:37 land of Egypt. " 15:38 And so magicians are actually doing miracles, real power 15:42 is operating through them and they are counterfeiting 15:46 the work of God, 15:47 but it is interesting that as you go farther into this 15:49 chapter as the battle continues, the power of the magicians 15:52 it weakens and they are exposed, that 15:57 they do not have the same power that God has. 16:00 In Exodus 8:18 it talks about the lice and how this was 16:06 another one of the 10 plagues. 16:08 Verse 18 says, "the magicians did so with their 16:11 enchantments to bring forth the lice. " 16:14 They tried, they did their rituals, they're incantations, 16:17 whatever they did and it is says in verse 18, "they could 16:21 not produce the lice. " 16:23 So there was a limit to what they could do. 16:26 First 19 says, "then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, 16:30 this is the finger of God. " 16:32 So the magicians when confronted with God's power, His 16:35 superior power, point by point they began to recognize 16:39 that this was not just a human influence, or a Moses 16:43 influence, or an Aaron influence, this was really the 16:46 power of God Himself. 16:48 The finger of God was at work, and step-by-step, the 16:51 magicians were being beaten down, and beaten back. 16:54 It really climaxes with this struggle, at least as far as the 16:59 magicians go in chapter 9:11. 17:02 When the boils fell upon the animals and upon the people. 17:07 Verse 11, "and the magicians could not stand before 17:11 Moses because of the boils; for the boils was upon the 17:15 magicians, and upon all the Egyptians. " 17:19 So if you look at the history there is a conflict, the 17:24 magicians are there, they represent Pharaoh, 17:27 they represent the enslaver, they are counterfeiting the 17:30 miracles of God, but step-by-step they are losing 17:34 the battle, the superiority that started out with Aaron's 17:38 Rod swallowing up their rod. 17:41 It was eventually played out as you go farther into the 17:45 plagues and finally the boils are upon them and they 17:48 don't know what to do and recognize it is the finger of 17:51 God and they are in trouble. 17:53 They look to Pharaoh and say, you might as well let these 17:57 people go because there is a spiritual power here. 18:00 So it was greater than their power. 18:02 So I see, it played out throughout this scenario, there 18:05 is a real power behind these magicians? - That's right! 18:08 There is a power behind Moses and they are at conflict, but 18:11 as we see through the sequence of the plagues, you see 18:14 certain limitations of the power of the magicians, and 18:18 God's power comes out to be superior. 18:20 We will see that contrast, I am assuming, throughout the 18:22 rest of the series as well. - That is correct. 18:24 Many people look at life through a secular humanistic 18:27 perspective and they don't think there is really a 18:30 supernatural world out there. 18:31 But according to this book, there is a real supernatural 18:35 world, and those that are delving, dabbling into the 18:39 witchcraft movement, many of them are looking for 18:42 sincere power, and they often find power, real spiritual 18:47 power, but the problem is they do not know the 18:50 nature of that power. 18:53 They think, those that are witchcraft, I've been on a lot 18:55 of radio shows, TV shows. 18:57 I've been interviewed and had people calling on these 18:58 programs and talk about what they do. 19:01 I get e-mails from witches and Wiccans. 19:03 Someone forward to me and e- mail from witchcraft Bob 19:06 who said here's the latest spell that would help you 19:09 with your love life, or your money, 19:11 or it will help you financially. 19:13 The list goes on and on, there is just so many people 19:15 that are checking this out, and 19:17 again the appeal is power, and its people get into this 19:21 in time they find out it is not just a human influence. 19:24 The secular humanist who say there is no supernatural 19:27 power out there, they are wrong. 19:29 There is a real power out there, there is two powers. 19:32 There's God's power and the power of the enemy ultimately 19:35 which the Bible says is of Satan the devil, and 19:38 I know that witches do not believe in Satan which is 19:41 surprising to many people. 19:42 I will demonstrate this later on, I will actually show 19:45 you quotations were people who were into witchcraft say 19:48 that the concept of a devil is just a Christian concept. 19:51 They do not believe in that, so they say don't worry 19:54 about us we are not doing anything bad, 19:57 we are just practicing white magic and say they do not 20:00 even believe in Satan, 20:02 so how can Satan be involved with us because 20:04 we do not believe in him. 20:06 As we will demonstrate, there is a real Satan and he is 20:11 working behind the scenes, and 20:13 those that think they are tapping into the forces of 20:15 nature, or the forces of the moon, the sun, the rocks, 20:18 the trees, the birds, there are all kinds of gods and 20:22 deities in witchcraft that these powers, they think are 20:26 the powers of the spirits of the forest, the trees, 20:29 and even spirits of the dead, but they are not, 20:32 and they are impersonators, they are tricksters, 20:35 they are liars and deceivers, and 20:37 they represent the enslaver, just like Pharaoh was the 20:41 enslaver of God's people in Egypt, 20:44 so these forces represent the ultimate enslaver who is 20:48 the devil himself; and 20:50 his goal is to get into peoples lives and trick them to 20:53 think it is a friendly power and then he can come right 20:56 into their minds and take over their lives and 20:58 pull them down. 21:00 God wants to deliver His people out from these forces, 21:03 and at the beginning of the series we are trying to lay the 21:07 foundation and talking about how big this movement is, 21:10 it's here and all around us, anybody that is aware of 21:14 what is happening in our society knows that this is 21:17 happening and we are showing from the Bible in our first 21:22 program, 1 Corinthians 10:11 says what was written in the 21:27 history of Israel is for our learning, especially those 21:32 of us that live at the end, and 21:34 we go back to the history of Israel and see the battle 21:36 between God and the magicians, and 21:39 we see this superiority of God's power over the magicians, 21:43 point by point by point, and finally God delivers His 21:47 people out of Egypt and He brings them into 21:50 the promise land. 21:51 That is what this is all about, is to be a channel to 21:55 bring people out of the darkness, out of Egypt. 21:58 I remember getting, again somebody forwarded me an 22:01 e- mail recently from witchcraft Bob. 22:04 They said Steve check this out. 22:05 Witchcraft Bob was offering all the spells and his own 22:09 book, which advertised the secrets, the ancient secrets 22:13 of witchcraft from Egypt. 22:15 Old Witchcraft Spells from Egypt, I thought here going 22:19 back to Egypt, and there is witchcraft spells that go 22:23 back to Babylon, that go back to Assyria and just all 22:27 kinds of religions. There are 22:28 god's and goddesses from Greece and Rome and the list goes 22:31 on and on and the conflict continues. 22:34 The conflict is going on right now, just like it was 22:36 going on in Bible days. 22:38 So it didn't end in Exodus? It's gone all the way down 22:41 through history to our day and this is just a tip of the 22:44 iceberg and there is something behind the magicians, 22:46 there is something behind these representatives. 22:49 I would like to say as a young person growing up in the 22:52 21st Century, you grow up in a scientific age, and 22:56 where, like you said, we don't believe in the 22:59 supernatural, it's Pasay, that's the religion of the 23:02 Bible, and I think part of the draw of the supernatural 23:05 is when you start dabbling in Wicca you realize that 23:08 there is something behind, 23:11 there are spirits that are there that are driving all 23:13 this, and I think that is to draw, because 23:15 you almost exist in this pure scientific aura, our world view 23:19 and realize there are spirits. 23:21 These things are real and I think we will be going later 23:25 into some scientific findings about individuals dealing 23:28 with the supernatural scientific data that proves 23:30 empirically that spirits do exist. 23:32 Or something exist beyond our existence. 23:34 I have a little clicking here from a newspaper in 23:38 Paso Robles, where I use to live and this is called the 23:41 Crimson Chronicle from the Paso Robles high school, 23:44 it's a student paper and it talks about, the title is 23:46 Which Witch? It is about kids getting into witchcraft 23:49 right there on the high school campus that I used to 23:51 live right around the corner from. 23:53 It says here, "Wiccans encounter spirits on a regular 23:56 basis. " And one young man, a sophomore in school, 23:59 he says that he can feel spirits with me as I 24:04 worship my goddess. 24:06 So the spirits are real, they are out there, the 24:08 supernatural world is real, and 24:10 the biggest problem with those that are getting into 24:12 Wicca, is not the people are bad, the people are like 24:15 us, they are searching for spiritual power, but they 24:17 do not realize who the spirits are, and 24:19 that they represent the enslaver, trying to bring them 24:23 down into bondage and they can get in and destroy your 24:26 life, that is the danger. 24:28 We are running out of time here for our first program. 24:31 Let me just share a text in Colossians 1:13. 24:35 Colossians 1:13 is talking about God's power and says. 24:55 The farther you get into researching what Wiccans believe 24:58 they don't believe in the Bible, they don't believe in 25:00 Jesus Christ as the Savior. 25:02 They don't believe in confessing their sins. 25:04 They do not believe in forgiveness, because they don't 25:07 really need for that, and 25:09 as they get farther into this, they find themselves, 25:11 many times, in deep spiritual trouble, and they can't get 25:14 out, they can't get out. 25:17 The only way they can get out is with the supernatural 25:20 power that is greater than the power they have opened 25:23 their hearts to, that power is revealed in this verse 25:26 that God has delivered us from the power of darkness, and 25:30 He has brought us into the kingdom of His Son. 25:33 Throughout this series David, we are going to prove 25:36 the superiority of God's power over the power of magic. 25:39 We're going to show the truthfulness of this book. 25:42 The power of this book. 25:44 We are going to show the goodness of the Gospel, 25:47 that God sent His own Son and we are going to show 25:50 the need for forgiveness. 25:52 We all need that forgiveness. 25:54 We are going to show ultimately David, the power of love. 25:56 John 3:16 is one of the most well-known verses in the 26:00 Bible where Jesus said "for God so loved the world that 26:03 he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth 26:07 in him should never perish but have eternal life. " 26:11 The power of love is what people need more than anything 26:14 else, and that is the power that is in Jesus Christ. 26:17 That is the power that changed my life and changed your 26:21 life, and it can change your life if you are open and 26:24 willing to let that love and power come in. 26:28 So the last 60 seconds here or so in this program, 26:33 we have gone into a lot. 26:34 We have talked about Moses and the magicians. 26:36 Let's say that someone in our viewing audience has 26:39 dabbled a little bit with this and they are facing 26:42 some challenges and are tempted to go into the 26:45 supernatural, what would you say as a message of hope 26:48 an appeal to them from Scripture that will give them 26:51 some assurance in dealing with this, 26:53 or perhaps a text or something from God's Word that 26:57 would help with temptation on this. 26:59 We have a whole program ahead of us called, 27:01 Defense Against the Dark Arts, and we are going to go 27:03 into the details of what to do, but 27:05 I am reminded of my friend Pam, she had been a witch 27:09 for many years, she had the spells, the incantations, 27:12 she had the books, and the jewelry she was using in 27:16 witchcraft, and eventually the powers of darkness just 27:19 about took over her life, and 27:21 she got on her knees, she remembered her Christian roots 27:23 and said God, if you are still there and still want me 27:26 come in and get me out of this, 27:28 and that is what He did, so prayer and opening your heart 27:32 to the God of the Bible, the God of the universe. 27:34 He can do it, He has done it for others, and He can do it 27:38 for you and we have a lot more to discuss in this program 27:42 Magic, Ghosts, and the Bible. 27:46 Well thank you so much for sharing with us, 27:48 it has been a fascinating study, and we would like to 27:50 thank our viewing audience for joining us as well. 27:53 We have discussed a lot here today from a biblical 27:55 perspective, dealing with Moses and the magicians and 27:59 how God's power is superior to that of these supernatural 28:02 entities that are out there. 28:04 Thank you so much for joining us today and we would like 28:06 to invite you to join us again next time as we delve into 28:09 the Scriptures from the biblical perspective. |
Revised 2014-12-17